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Dolphins lose to (previously) winless Tampa Bay

TAMPA -- Don't ask me to explain this one. Don't ask me to explain this team. Don't ask me to explain this organization.

The Dolphins lost to Tampa Bay on Monday night, 22-19. The Dolphins are lost for reasons well beyond the fact they lost to the previously winless Buccaneers.

Forget for a second the Dolphins rushed for only 2 yards this game, the lowest rushing production of any NFL team since 2007. Forget for a moment they had 70 yards in penalties or that they only converted 4 of 12 third down attempts or that their only rushing first down came on a quarterback sneak.

All that is football. It happens sometimes.

But as I write in my column in Tuesday's Miami Herald, the troubles plaguing this team are deeper. And I'm not even talking about the ongoing Richie Incognito-Jon Martin soap opera.

I'm talking fundamental problems like how the Dolphins in the past month have lost to a glorified practice squad quarterback and a rookie who threw for only 139 yards.

I'm talking about how the Dolphins show no fire. They came out flat against Tampa Bay. If you read this blog or my column Monday you know I expected this team to come together and try to prove a point to everyone.

Well, they proved a point alright.

"Anytime you start out in a 15-0 hole, you're not expecting to do that," cornerback Brent Grimes said. "But we kept playing. We could have easily folded and said, 'No we're not ready for this game. We didn't come out to play.' But we came out slow but kept fighting."

Here's the problem, in this fight, the Dolphins were counter-punching. The Bucs were punching. They were the aggressors.

And yet the players say nothing is wrong. 

"We're a tight-knit team," Grimes said. That's why I'm really confused with people saying this is not a good locker room. This is a great locker room. We were ready to play. We came out and wanted to win but had a slow start. We started off bad and that hurts in this league. We fought back but down the stretch they made plays and we didn't."

"We are a close-knit group on the defensive line, defensively. and the whole team," defensive tackle Jared Odrick said. "The whole team hangs out with [each other]and it's something we brought upon ourselves. We call ourselves a tribe. So you're not going to see a separation of anybody. The more adversity. The closer we get."

Well, these guys will be soon meshing into one another because the mercury is ready to pop through the adversity meter.

Dolphins owner Stephen Ross is going to make changes. And, reading the signs Monday evening when the owner gushed about Joe Philbin and didn't mention Jeff Ireland until he said the general manager is on some internal policy committee, everyone is seeing that Ireland is looking more and more like the scapegoat.

This goes with my report Monday afternoon that said if Ross makes changes, he's more likely to keep Philbin than Ireland. I have a problem with this approach. I hope the Dolphins don't go that way.

It's clear, however, something is going to be done eventually. I'm just not sure it's going to be the right move. Can you blame me?


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Guys I'm listening to the Dan LeBatard show on 790 it seems Ryan Tannehill doesn't run much because it hurts his webbed feet! I C H I T Y O U N O T!!!!!!!! Tannehill's feet apparently webbed cause him trouble when initially planting, WOW!

Rob in OC, your point is well taken on a lot of guys not panning out with the athletic skills off the charts for their position. One such tight end taken last year was Chris Gragg - late round pick with Buffalo. Guy ran a 4.5 at 250 lbs and had several other outstanding test results but had limited production at Arkansas.

Interested to see how he does and noticed he got a TD last week.

Best article I've seen yet on the Fins issues and who & why they are to blame: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1847202-who-must-pay-the-price-for-miami-dolphins-ineptitude

f4l, why didn't he play for Oregon???

Are Jordan's feet webbed too??

Mark I'm not saying it's all off limits and I'm not the blog police so whatever. IMO old geezer isn't really that bad.

My whole issue has always been with calling people out because of how they look. Making fun of another person because of how they look. That's all. It's not fair to judge people in this way, people are who they are. You can't change that.

Do these same people make fun of kids with down syndrome because they don't look like everyone else? That's what I'm talking about.

You can't really change the way you look. You can change maNY THINGS ABOUT YOURSELF BUT THAT FACE, YOU'RE STUCK WITH IT! lol (not you in particular, all of us!)

I take it the Dolphins won't be BULLYING their way to the playoffs.

Mark, the 49ers are stacke with talent and its not from FA signings. Sehawaks are stack with talent and its not FA signings. Anyone who studied under the current GM for though 2 teams will be 100x better than Ireland.

Ravens were all Lewis and Reed once they left theyve been pedistrian at best.

Haha, glad you clarified that last line ...

Read your post dc, good points.

I'm not totally against Philbin but this firing half the staff thing doesn't seem like it's going to work.

They did it last year in NY and I thought for sure Rex would be gone, but hell, he gets his guys to play with heart no matter what is happening so I never should have bet against him. I'm not feeling that from Philbin and I'm not sure he has it in in him to lead in that way.

Sidenote on yet another crime of the century choice in that same draft: Fins NON-pick ILB A.J. Edds @#119 in the 4th. ...next choice #120 DT Geno Atkins by Cincy! Arrrrrrgh!

Posted by: Rob in OC | November 12, 2013 at 04:27 PM


This is me we've posted on here back-n-forth regarding the draft for Yrs. now (by the way Dying Breed has gone mental) I won't take you specifically down the path of what if because we maybe here all night. I did catch your Post-Game post and agree we were in a trap game given the Sapp thing and 2003 team but feel our DL (especially with Odrick at DE) is a group you simply can't run on maybe the pass rush suffers but forget running! They came at us late and beat us up on both sides of the line plane and simple and while a pass happy NFL today losing the battle on both fronts up front is still a NO-NO!

Good night guys, work calls.

..Rob in OC..A Dolphins in Depth HOFer..LOL!! WHAT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Truth, interesting perspective.

I will contend that the 9ers still don't ahve a Qb once the league adjusted to that tattoed douche, but anyway....

I will grant that the Seahawks turned things around fast both with drafting and being aggressive in free agency though.

But SF they went through a lot of pain and high picks in that roster though ... in the wilderness a while.

Ravens, come on, all Lewis and Reed??? The thing holding back the Ravens now is an aginng nucleus which is the price you pay for being so good for so long, but they are re-tooling fast on the fly, once they digest these large Ngata/Suggs cap hits, you;ll see - back on top again...

I will just tell him not to fight back but to go home and cry under his mother's skirt. we will cite the Johnathan martin precedent and take in millions and retire ....

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | November 12, 2013 at 04:20 PM

I'd tell ya LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! No Mark don't even, LAMOROTFF!!!!!

Funny post Bro!

Here's the kicker if your kid's old enough to get we suck it puts me in my 50's and with heart failure an issue (MY FANDOME) being I'll be dead and you close! So if the case may he watch other sports and NEVER EVER get our obsession!

..So I was thinking..(I know that this can be dangerous to myself and more important others)

We all want to label Tannehill. If not we want to defend him, attack him. Critique, or praise..Fair enough. We are all fans, and that is what we do..

I don't know if we are witnessing a maturation, a regression. Is Tannehill a good quarterback with a poor offensive line? Is he a mediocre quarterback that may never be more then just..Mediocre? All of these questions, or opinions are plausible.

I think last night Tannehill really had the opportunity to take the leadership role by the reigns. Set himself apart form the pack so to speak. He could have made a statement with his play last night by overcoming the adversity(the bs, the line, no run game) by being better then he was. He could have put a stamp on this team by elevating his play for an entire game when the team desperately needed him to do so. This week of all weeks was the week we needed a win. We needed a leader. And IMO Tannehill came up short.

Will he ever be this player? I don't know. Last night would have been a great time for a leader to be born. It didn't happen. Did we see the real Tannehill last night? Was last night who he is?

Sorry to say guys I'm in Vegas and bet Bucs on this game.

Posted by: Darkoak | November 12, 2013 at 04:25 PM

Like anyone would give a rats aszz about that.

Haha, f4l, maybe we even have some cause for retribution considering the pain and suffering we endure each week?

Mark i think your forgetting how long weve been irrellavant. So 2008 we made the playoffs we all know it was a fluke because Brady was injured that year. Prior to that was it 2002 we made it to the playoffs only to get steam rolled by the Raiders.

We been more irrelavant then the 49ers in this decade!

The main point is we can turn things around quickly if we have in place a good GM and HC right now we have neither

..Darkoak...Nice bet!

Why is clear to everyone but the owner that the Dolphins need a new Head Coach? I don't have time to go into details but Dolphins fans know of at least three close games lost because of ridiculous play calling, not challenging plays, or challenging plays they had no chance of overturning. "Let's see the ball is at the 1 yard line, let's call a play where Tannehill runs back 5 yards and hands the ball off." Geez

DD Im in the same boat, i just dont see it in Tannehill. I hope im wrong. Good day guys Im out.

If we finish 7-9 or even 8-8 they should just blow it all up. That would be another mediocre season and a sign of regression after a good start.

I would keep Tannehill but get rid of Ireland and the coaches. I still think Tannehill succeed with a better O-line and play calling. Get a legit RB, because DT can't hack it and Miller seems like a better change of pace back.

The whole O-line besides Pouncey is a mess. Consider keeping McKinnie as a 1 year stop gap only. The team needs a real TE to compliment Clay and Egnew.

The front 7 looks very suspect. Ellerbee and especially Wheeler are not good. I'm not sure what to think of the D-line. They got cut up by Tampa's 3rd and 4th string RBs.

Secondary seems like an improvement. Resign Grimes. Is Patterson with his injuries with 5.4 million a year. Will Taylor or Davis be able to contribute next year?

Honestly I am still a homer and hope the team does well, but it is just time to move in a different direction for everyones sake.

I really thought the team could turn the corner this year, but it seems like I was wrong.

This is nowhere near being Tannehill's fault (whoever said that)....hard to be consistent when you are running for your life or getting drilled on a consistent basis...

Please do not sign any more WR free agents, especially the kind that are the most expensive on the lot. Time and time again, it's proven they're after the money and this one Mr. Wallace, grabbed the money and barely makes any noise on the field. Can't/won't block, won't challenge a ball that is in traffic, nor attempt to make a spectacular sideline catch bailing out your QB. So what he didn't hit you in stride, catch the ball. So what it's a running play, BLOCK someone. So what it's a pass play and it's not to you, run over and try and block someone, P-A-R-T-I-C-P-A-T-E-! Act like you're trying to be the MAN!

They need to trade up for a guy like Mike Evans!

..Neal, I'm not placing any blame. I'm trying to see it(our quarterback)for what he is. This was a huge game for our team. Do you know what a win may have done as far as deflating the BS surrounding the team? We needed someone to step up last night. It was the perfect time for Tannehill do so. And he didn't. He didn't play awful. But..He didn't play great.

It was an opportunity lost IMO.

I know the run game stunk, I know we came out flat, I know Wallace drops the ball. I know both rookie corners are better then Jimmy Wilson..I get it. But it would have been great if Tannehill could have overcome the bad cards, and led his team. That is what franchise quarterbacks do..They play well when the team need them the most...

I don't know if Tannehill ever gets to the level we need him to be. He may. My opinion, is that he will not. Last night cemented this opinion. I think we saw Tannehill in a nutshell. A player that can be very good at times. But also a player that is never going to quite be good enough to get you over the hump.

Tannehill just doesnt have the accuracy, pocket presence or leadership ability to be an NFL QB. He makes all the players around him far worse. They need to make the switch to Matt Moore and end the Tannehill experiment.

Yes, we need to have ALL the garbage taken out!!!!!!!!!

Tannehill is right in the middle of the pack with his passing rating (almost equal to Brady, and higher than Eli and Flacco), I want to see him perform when he is much better protected before I give up on him....

I would not read too much into Ross's statement, as the press has, regarding how much he spoke about Philbin and how little he spoke about Ireland. It is quite possible he is positioning himself to best handle and legal issues that may arise from this.

If the investigation doesn't show anything out of the ordinary, if it shows Martin simply lost his composure or was upset about the switch to RT, well there could be no changes at all.

I know it is fashionable to label Ireland the #1 target to go. Personally I think Sherman needs to go more than anyone. He has bad habits that won't change. I don't question is knowledge, just his play calling which is at times mind boggling inexplicable.

I wonder also if the coaching staff as a whole is using the players to their best advantage. It seems like they are trying to fit them into something they are not.


Kris hates Tannehill. He has hated the pick since day one. He only chimes in when Tannehill the second year QB is not doing well, never when he is doing well.

This is an excellent sign, given how often Kris is wrong...which is dare I say Always?

I think at this stage in my life I get more enjoyment from listening to people bash the team. I wouldn't know how to react if they produced a decent product

Let's not forget Pouncey received a subpoena. The fact the feds needed that and not just answers to a few questions could be pointing to something grave indeed. Pouncey threw a punch at a Buc last night...could be his pending doom is getting the best of him.

Why Mr. Darryl Dunphy...Madcap!! You are a blogs and (bloggers) best friend. Steady as she goes and mostloy sane points about foosball most all the time.

How da hell ya been ya Montana-ite!!!!

I hope life and the trout streams and restaurant been treating ya well brudda. I see you are still rooting for the same team as most of us here...lol. The Fins haven't beat that out of ya, yet, which is groovy.

As to your Tannehill comments, I feel he has upside and since he has actually so few games under his belt between college and pro his upside is still high. He seems to show well much of the time even when his line or the play call may not do him favors.

I do think there is validity to the whole snap count / cadence argument. It sure seems like the Fins get tee'd off on more than many teams when they try to run. I hope that can be changed although "GO" or "GO,GO" seem to be crutch signals he barks religiously.

With so little time more often than not and with Wallace and he not on the same page (both guys fault imho) it will be difficult to ascend.

I think he can be a piece of the Offense to keep and continue to add other positional players but I would still draft QBs regularly to try for the next Brady or at the very least offer great #2 competition.

Go Fins! Go Grizzlies!


Rob in OC...haven't seen that name in years!

Later Peeps. It was great to catch up. I hope to hell the Fins rebound vs San Diego.

Practically everyone I know is a Chargers fan and I won't hear the end of it.

If not it will be another Philbin presser:

"I thought we had an excellent week of preperation. I thought the team was ready to play. Hats off to the Chargers, they made more plays than we did and deserved to win."..etc.etc.

Cheers y'all!

Word Marc! How you been mang? Hope life has been good to ya of late.

I have frequented the blog but typically would just read. There were/are times where its just too zany.

I have posted a few times here and there but haven't camped out on the blog like I did a while back. Part busier life, part Fins being static, part blog going sideways.


Ditto Rob. There hasn't been much to say that hasn't been said time and again. Take care man. Until next time.

So how many more years until we win a playoff game?

Regarding Matthews and how strong he has been coming on lately...

I know at one point Ireland was fighting for Clyde Gates to stick, but Philbin cut him. If Philbin would have given in to Ireland there, do you think they would have still been able to keep Matthews on the roster?

I don't recall the wr #'s kept at the time.

Anyone else bothered by that half-hearted effort by Wallace on the long pass at the end of game?

Houston Texans have released Ed Reed. Guess that FA signing didn't work out for them.

Maybe we should get a coach that comes with an offensive line pedigree.......oh nevermind.

Wallace, Thigpen, and Carroll need to go.

Spread the field, march down and score and never do it again, WOW!

Like anyone would give a rats aszz about that.
Posted by: Cromwell | November 12, 2013 at 04:50 PM

So out of touch. lol

Wallace is useless without a decent QB. Ireland should've learned that from the Marshall- Henne fiasco. Wallace-TannePuke is the same thing.

It looks like out team is just totally predictable now on offense and defense. 2 yards rushing shows Sherman had no idea how to attack the Bucs. When is his head finally going to roll FFS.

Sherman cant make chicken salad out of chicken chit.

Wallace is useless without a decent QB. Ireland should've learned that from the Marshall- Henne fiasco. Wallace-TannePuke is the same thing.

Posted by: CadillacDeVille | November 12, 2013 at 06:24 PM

So then why do Matthews, Keller, Gibson and Hartline do so well with Tannehill?

No need to respond because we all know you are an ear pulling troll just here to bait people with your stupid nonsense. Stick to your one lonely friend,

So then why do Matthews, Keller, Gibson and Hartline do so well with Tannehill?
Posted by: AiAi | November 12, 2013 at 06:28 PM

Funny stuff. TannePuke got Keller and Gibson injured with his inaccuracy. LOL Keller did well?? LMAO!

Tannehill misfired on a long pass to an open Mike Wallace, who was targeted seven times and totaled 15 yards.

The $60 million receiver still has only one touchdown this season with his new QB.

I think we can all agree, well the Dolphin fans and not the trolls anyway, that I can understand the disparagement of Jeff Ireland, Joe Philbin and staff but what I cannot fathom is why any Dolfan would disparage a 2nd yr QB that has no offensive tools whatsoever??

Actually, when we examine it, there wasn't anything that happened last night that hasn't been happening all season long.

We always played either horrible 1st or 2nd halves. Only difference is during the 3-0 stretch we weren't giving up the sacks on the potential game winning drives. In every loss we have.

Last two losses, we actually waited until the game winning drives to give up any sacks period!

We're hearing the exact same excuses for TannePuke that we heard for Chad Henne. Its laughable.

Mark in Toronto has stated it eloquently in regards to Tannehill. Look at where Kaep, Luck, Big Ben, Eli, Wislon, Flacco, Ryan are with more offensive tools....damn even Payton had looked pedestrian the last 2 games with pressure on him not to mention Brady.

Arnsparger, I agree, Tanne has to go, Cut loose and move on.

So then why do Matthews, Keller, Gibson and Hartline do so well with Tannehill?
Posted by: AiAi | November 12, 2013 at 06:28 PM

Easy answer? Wallace is not a complete wr. He's not elusive, doesn't break tackles, and is about as physical as soak and wet fly paper. Wallace doesn't run very good routes either.

Just a shame the only thing he does on elite level is go deep and we have a qb that short arms those deep throws every single time. This equals Wallace has been a complete failure with or present qb.

Wallace also doesn't go after the ball, doesn't try to block defenders out, doesn't snatch the ball...time and again he hunkers down and waits for the ball to come to him...just like on the final play last night.

Folks we have been over the Wallace mistake since we signed him....nobody but the Vikings wanted him...there is a reason why his own team, the Steelers, didn't really try to keep him. They are the ones who stated he was a "one trick pony" "doesn't fight for the ball" and "drops too many passes" unfortunately we draft WR so bad we got exactly what we paid for. His career numbers speak for themselves. Before this season he is ranked 77 out of 100 with a 53.9% catch Pct.....that says it all!

Arnsparger what is with you and the over fantasized do no wrog love affair with Tannehill?

Wallace is one of the leagues most ELITE deep threats and you say he has no weapons. How about Tannehill learns to stop short arming Wallace on every deep throw.

Wallace would have 6-8 tds right now if Tannehill could learn touch and anticipation while throwing deep. and it isn't just Wallace he underthrows deep. He's did it with his other recievers too.

There are some good things about Tannehill, bad too. No question about it, Tannehill is absolutely horrific throwing the ball deep. It wouldn't matter if he had Calvin Johnson on deep routes.

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