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Dolphins lose to (previously) winless Tampa Bay

TAMPA -- Don't ask me to explain this one. Don't ask me to explain this team. Don't ask me to explain this organization.

The Dolphins lost to Tampa Bay on Monday night, 22-19. The Dolphins are lost for reasons well beyond the fact they lost to the previously winless Buccaneers.

Forget for a second the Dolphins rushed for only 2 yards this game, the lowest rushing production of any NFL team since 2007. Forget for a moment they had 70 yards in penalties or that they only converted 4 of 12 third down attempts or that their only rushing first down came on a quarterback sneak.

All that is football. It happens sometimes.

But as I write in my column in Tuesday's Miami Herald, the troubles plaguing this team are deeper. And I'm not even talking about the ongoing Richie Incognito-Jon Martin soap opera.

I'm talking fundamental problems like how the Dolphins in the past month have lost to a glorified practice squad quarterback and a rookie who threw for only 139 yards.

I'm talking about how the Dolphins show no fire. They came out flat against Tampa Bay. If you read this blog or my column Monday you know I expected this team to come together and try to prove a point to everyone.

Well, they proved a point alright.

"Anytime you start out in a 15-0 hole, you're not expecting to do that," cornerback Brent Grimes said. "But we kept playing. We could have easily folded and said, 'No we're not ready for this game. We didn't come out to play.' But we came out slow but kept fighting."

Here's the problem, in this fight, the Dolphins were counter-punching. The Bucs were punching. They were the aggressors.

And yet the players say nothing is wrong. 

"We're a tight-knit team," Grimes said. That's why I'm really confused with people saying this is not a good locker room. This is a great locker room. We were ready to play. We came out and wanted to win but had a slow start. We started off bad and that hurts in this league. We fought back but down the stretch they made plays and we didn't."

"We are a close-knit group on the defensive line, defensively. and the whole team," defensive tackle Jared Odrick said. "The whole team hangs out with [each other]and it's something we brought upon ourselves. We call ourselves a tribe. So you're not going to see a separation of anybody. The more adversity. The closer we get."

Well, these guys will be soon meshing into one another because the mercury is ready to pop through the adversity meter.

Dolphins owner Stephen Ross is going to make changes. And, reading the signs Monday evening when the owner gushed about Joe Philbin and didn't mention Jeff Ireland until he said the general manager is on some internal policy committee, everyone is seeing that Ireland is looking more and more like the scapegoat.

This goes with my report Monday afternoon that said if Ross makes changes, he's more likely to keep Philbin than Ireland. I have a problem with this approach. I hope the Dolphins don't go that way.

It's clear, however, something is going to be done eventually. I'm just not sure it's going to be the right move. Can you blame me?

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Philbin and his Miami Dolphins have hit the bottom of the ocean now.

Why Ross loves the way Philbin cares about his players baffles me.

the kindest most caring man in the NFL, ok great.

How about a coach that can, er, well Steve........ coach ?

Look folks the new GM will axe Philbin. There is no-one that would keep a coach like this.

Then goes all the other trash and his underlings like Coyle and Sherman.

Trade Wallace or coach and use him well. The probabilty is that Wallaces drop in play is down to awful coaching. This happens time and time again in Miami.

Kansas City Chiefs. Record in 2012 = 2-14. Replaced HC AND GM. Record so far in 2013 = 9-0.

Want more?

Miami Dolphins. Record in 2007 = 1-15. Replaced HC AND GM. Record in 2008 = 11-5.

Replacing a GM and HC doesn't necessarily spell doom for any franchise. If enough talent exists on the team, a few solid free agency pickups and good draft choices can quickly turn around a hapless franchise.

Does there exist, on the current Dolphins roster, enough talent to have gone 9-7, 10-6 this year? I think so. I don't think the team will get there and not because of the Incognito-Martin debacle.

The problem? Maybe... that the coaches make too many questionable decisions.

It's hard for me to believe the players can go hard all game while they know they are continuously making up ground for coaching mistakes. And Philbin's seeming inability to get his team fired-up and edgy is a huge detriment.

Another thing that throws a monkey wrench into this organization is the fact that we outsource our ownership. Is there any other team in the NFL whose owner lives a thousand or more miles away from the city their team plays in? If so I am not aware of any.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Ross were really a closet Jets fan and the only reason he keeps such a high level of total incompetence around is because he is secretly attempting to tear down the Phins as the true Jets fan that he is.

I'm not spending another red cent on anything Dolphins until there is a complete refit of this team, to borrow a yachting term. This team needs to be hauled out into dry-dock, have all the barnacles and bottom paint bead blasted off the hull, the entire interior removed, all the wiring, plumbing, replaced, engines, reduction gearing, propeller shafts, stuffing boxes, heat exchangers, fuel polishers, water makers, sea chest, AC units, fuel tanks, water tanks, oil tanks, exhaust stacks etc, removed, tossed into the trash can and replaced with brand new!

Then we we need to hire the best interior decorator money can buy, to design a complete new interior arrangement, new wall treatments, new upholstery, new overheads, lighting, carpeting, window coverings, furniture, the works.

We need 5 new starters on OL, a real NFL fullback, 2 new starting tailbacks, a new #1 WR, cut the quitter prima-donna we paid 60 million dollars for, what a mistake that was! 2 real NFL caliber TE's, a young QB to groom to replace TH if he does not pick up his game between now and next year.

On D, we need 3 new starters on the DL, 3 NFL quality LB's that know how to stuff the run game, know how to fill holes, and know how to defend against RB's and TE's in the passing game. As for the defensive backfield, I think we keep Grimes and Patterson if he can finally get to 100% healthy and replace every over DB on the roster.

As for the coaching staff, replace everyone down to the water boys, the equipment manager, the custodians, the receptionist, IT staff, I mean EVERYONE! But it has to be done with a young, up and coming coach that has some NFL experience, that has innovative ideas about offenses, defenses, even special teams. And everyone around him needs to be of the same mindset, drive, determination, and skill set.

Then and maybe only then is there hope for this team, if Frosty the Philbin is still here next year, I think I'll take up bird watching on the weekends.

Lot's of overreacting. Yes, it was a tough loss. How many offensive starters have we lost so far? WR's, TE's, OL's...it takes its toll folks. This loss was not about coaching, it was lack of depth at too many positions.

The defense played pretty well after a slow start. The problem was the offense couldn't stay on the field. Too many 3 an outs. A new oline and missing Keller and Gibson starts to take it's toll. It is tough to win against any team if your best players are gone.

I say stay the course.

ProMichelle,

Judinging Dion or any player in their rookie year is a sign of complete ignorance. He missed all of training camp. He has been eased in slowly because of shoulder surgery. Aside from that, many all time great players needed a few years to show their stuff. It is only the rarest that start off on fire.

I'm only stating the obvious to anyone over 7. You are a pro idiot.

Notice when the camera played on Ross during the game it appeared that,when he was actually paying attention, he looked lost or baffled as to what was going on...

Unfortunately, If Ross keeps Philbn you know he will live and die by Sherman. They have far too much history for together for him to fire and pickup a new OC.

Again! What new coach is going to want to be saddled with a new and unfamiliar GM. Or what good quality GM is going to put their reputation and job line on the line if the cannot start with a coach of their own choosing.

Face it boys we are stuck till after season end to find ANYBODY worth hiring but wait..... That would imply that Ross knows football and figures out it is not a GRRRREAT idea to go coach shopping during the regular and post season. Again.

GRRRRrrrrrrrr

I heard Gruden say 'this does not look like a 0-8 team tonight',I thought Miami certainly did!

Dion was rated a top 3 pick by every single pundit out there. He was considered hands down the #1 defensive player in the draft. Yet, some of you with no memory or sense of history or any real knowledge of the game, don't seem to know it takes time to make the transition to the pro's.

Sheesh what freaking ignoramuses are here...

that was awesome, finally we didnt win a pointless game after our season was over. loving this, ireland your doneeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. lets hope ross makes a big splash with next gm. for now keep losing, 4-12 would be huge

As long as Stevey Loss is the owner, this team will go nowhere. Can't wait to count all the empty seats at JOE ROBBIE STADIUM. Stevey would be better off closing the team down tomorrow and opening a flea market in Miami Gardens.

prosmart whats your point. wasnt a need, was another horrible move by an idiot running the team

Philbin has zero passion or energy. I don't see any fire behind his eyes or desire to win. It doesn't matter how close your team is, when your coach lacks emotional energy, the team will play flat guaranteed.

Ireland has been soaking up my disgust and rightfully so, but Philbin is not a winner either. Less than two seasons is ostensibly not enough time to pass judgment on a coach, however in this case I believe we've seen enough.

Furthermore it's also time to start making indictments on Tannehill. Is he actually our qb going forward? Removing both Philbin and Ireland would ensure that the right decision is made there next year.

When I watch these post game interviews from coach to player it seriously feels like an Obama press conference. The exact thing they till you is not happening actually is the exact thing that is happening.

Guano! Pure unadulterated steamin pile of GUANO!

CLEAN HOUSE, TANK NEXT SEASON, DRAFT WINSTON WITH THE FIRST PICK.

DO NOT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE TWICE. SUCK HARDCORE AND GET YOUR QB. DONT KEEP PICKING THESE LOSERS.

statler no worries there. ireland will be fired, then new gm will come in and fire philbin and hire his own guy. no worries man

dusty,

You build for the future. Starks is getting up there in years and I believe is a FA after the season. Also....need....the only LT's worth taking in round on were picked 1 and 2. The guy Philly picked at 4 was a huge reach and a mistake,

So what is your point? Take a position of need even if nobody talented is available?

PROSMART - CHANGE YOUR NAME TO PRODUMB.

NAME ONE PICK THAT IS AN IMPACT PLAYER THAT WE HAVE DRAFTED IN 3 YEARS?

DION JORDAN WAS AN INJURY TWEENER WITH NO POSITION AND ONLY PLAYED 40% OF SNAPS IN COLLEGE. AND WE TRADED UP FOR HIM!

BAHAHAHHA

Most of you change your minds more than a teenage girl..take BPA, no take position of need...no you take the BPA. Easy to sit back and criticize, but...be careful what you wish for. Do you want Spielman back as GM?

yup build for future and present. u had b alberts with the 2nd rd pick and eiifert at the te. ireland worst gm since matt millen

prosmart,

Judging Jordan in the rookie season in not the issue. Your ignorant to the needs of this team and so was Ireland. The Dolphins needed a LT and a RG. Your ignorance does not allow you to see that. A GM has to go with a dire position of need.
That is validated by the OL being the laughing stock of the NFL. What do you not understand about that....

prosmart might just be ireland

Anybody else notice that Philbin is always slack jawed and open mouthed on the sideline. His favorite TV show is LOST because that perfectly explains his entire existence.
That is why he work for Stephen Loss.

why did the dolphins look like the winless team?????

Soldy, Pouncey is a top center in the league. Veron is doing great. Miller is coming along, did you see Rishard Matthews last night or were you clipping your dirty toe nails? Clay has done well, Egnew is getting better, Wilson is starting to make plays, Odrick, Misi, Reshard Jones are all doing better.

Ah, Misi, one more key cog on the D we were missing last night. The team is devastated by injuries, can't expect to coach out of that,

You flipping idiots don't realize you build a team, you don't just draft one shrink wrapped that is a star out of the box. That is what they are doing,

Now Soldy, Solder your mouth shut, change your stupid name, and don't come back unless you have something that anyone cares to read. Making your letters any bigger won't help.

PROSTUPID,

Try opening your eyes to why the Dolphins have issues moving the ball when a team takes away the run. Why they can not pass or screen with this line. McKinnie and Pouncey are the only guys worth anything and McKinnie is going on 35. That issue needed taking care of and it was not in free agency and the Draft.

ProMichelle,

Tell me who was the LT or RT to take then? Who was there that is actually making an impact???

Just because we needed LT doesn't mean there was one left worth picking that high...the Eagles have learned this.

Support your statements with something concrete, not frivolous fantasy talk.

Grim; My previous point exactly!

I hear what you are saying ProSmart, but tell me this, how long did it take Marino to become an NFL player? How long did it take Zach Thomas to become an NFL player? How about Dwight Stevenson, what about Mark Duper, Mark Clayton, Larry Csonka, Mercury Morris, Bob Griese, Larry Gordon, John Offerdahl, Don McNeal, and this is just a short list of Dolphins off the top of my head that had immediate impact as soon as they stepped on the field on their first game-day.

Sorry you get drafted among the first 10 players in the draft, unless you have a bone poking out of the skin, you deliver on the field your first year. Now I'm not ready to declare him a bust just yet, because I think part of the problem with 95 is that he has not had the benefit of NFL quality coaching and that could have lasting effects on his productivity unless he gets a real NFL coach on his side by next year.

But the thinking that NFL players take years to develop is pure BS, look at Giovanni Bernard last week that tore our defense a new one just for starters.

There are plenty of first year players this year having major impact for their teams, not having a rookie make a major impact is an exclusive, endemic failure of the Miami Dolphins for far too long now.

wow prosmart is basically a retarded rock, go home mr.ireland its over. good riddens

No surprise that all the idiots are out in full bloom this morning.

Have a good week fellas.....

Drafting 101

You only draft position of need when there is a quality player available lat that position.

Look at how many teams over drafted first round QB's the last few years - Jets, Vikings, Titans...QB was position of need, but none of them were worth picking. Tell me how that is a good plan.

promichael this idiot (prosmart) is to dumb to even understand he shouldnt of traded up to begin with

Prostupid,

There were OG's that could have been taken and going after the Albert the LT from KC, trading for him and not taking Taylor @ DB. Taylor had a hernia and has not been able to help the Dolphins.

John

You are very selective in your analysis.

Chris Long was drafted #2 over all behind Jake. He has been average until this season. Long turns out wasn't even worth a #1.

Mario Williams did not look like a first round pick until his 3rd or 4th year and even still his team no longer wanted him

Vince Young #2, bust.

Reggie Bush was supposed to be the next Gale Sayers, he was only the next Gail Dancer.

Tell you what...do some homework. Make a list of the top ten picks over the last 3 years, and tell me how many were impact players their first year. You will see only a very small percentage.

promichael any early predictions on new gm

The real problem is you are all too lazy to do any research or put your statements in context. You conveniently forget what are realistic expectations and just go off on one knee jerk reaction after the other

You all change your opinion with the win, had they taken position of need, you cackling monkeys would have said they should have taken BPA.

We all know this.

Prostupid,

Try not supporting your argument with dumb, stupid statements that do not make any sense....The Dolphins needed to make the playoffs this season. They did not need an acorn that may or may not become a star.

dusty bottoms,

Anyone other than the acorn Jeff Ireland who is the dinosaur ghost of Bill Parcells.

ProMichelle,

I notice you avoid my question that you found too challenging. You are the one that can't support your own statements.


Please tell us which tackle they should have taken in the draft that would have been an impact player.

Don't run from your own argument. Tell us.

You mocking birds say they should have taking a LT or RT yet can't name one they should have taken.

Do you see how silly you are or does it scare you to look?

he already told u proidiot, b albert

Prostupid,

One can not deal with an irrational moron. I wrote that I would have given up the number 2 draft position to KC for LT Albert. I guess you can not read. I would not have taken a LT in the draft because the LT's were all taken early Prostupid. So you go with another dire need, RG.

I am really on the fence here...so please just let me get this out.

Based on what I have seen the past few weeks I really believe we are watching in incomplete team. A team that shows good things in each game and putrid things in each game. This is typically the case when a new HC is brought in and you are only 2 years into his tenure. The GM is trying to reshape the roster to meet the HC's schemes and vision.

So, part of me says OK Philbin came here and we all should have thought it would take 3-4 years for him and Ireland to get the squad right. They had two drafts together and Ireland went on a spending spree in FA. But it's only year 2, about half way through that overall project. We all knew the OLINE would be shaky. We all knew the youth movement at RB would be shaky. It's only the half way point in this project...show patience.

Entering the year most fans and media predicted the team would likely finish the season about 500 or maybe 9-7. That would be progress and honestly that could still happen. So, OK...just be patient and give Ireland and Philbin their 3-4 years to finish the job they set out to do.

Then this scandal hits and the team's leadership, locker room, and overall business operation is put under the scrutiny of national media. The franchise is obviously embarrassed and put into a horrible spot light that no owner would want to find himself in. So, now some sort of action needs to take place. I just don't see this 'committee' and ultimately Ross getting away with firing Incognito and allowing Martin to leave. That would be considered "enough."

So, that will likely lead to the firing of Ireland and/or Philbin. I would have to agree with Mando (which I don't often do). If that has to happen Ross should go 'scorched earth' and just fire them both. Get rid of them both and try to create a complete fresh start for a top candidate who might join with the backing of this 'committee.'

If Shula and Dungy stand behind Ross after this experience they might be able to coax a Cowher or Gruden onto the team. That is really what I think this team needs. An experienced, proven and high energy HC that would also want control of football operations.

Kills me to say lets move out HC and GM again. This has been the forumula that lead to the failure of this franchise the past 2 decades. That carousel is the core problem of this franchise. But I think Ross has been backed into a corner and that is the only solution at this point.

Albert wanted a long term $ deal. He is old. Made no sense to give a long term deal to a guy just looking for a pay day in the twilight of his career. In a season or two we'd be back to the same problem. The idea is to solve problems for the future, not sign a bunch of one or two year bandaids.


I know that is much too complicated for you all. Tell you what, after you get your make up and panty hose on, maybe you will think with more sensibility. Maybe?

ProMichelle, your plan is total amateur. We already have too many players on one year deals and you wanted to over pay for an aging vet wanting a long term deal when he is only going to be good in the short term.

Smart plan. Glad you are not the GM.

Ok, I'll let you all mingle with yourselves. You are all so great at convincing yourselves you know better...when in fact you are not even aware of one tenth of the details involved.

Happy fantasy chats.

Prostupid,

You can rip that choice all you want but not going with ALBERT has gotten the Dolphins what? They will not make the playoffs and the OL is the laughing stock in the NFL. Smith has time to throw and so it goes...

FACTS

- Ellerbe has been below average to average. This guy STINKS!
- Wallace has been below average most of the season & is NOT the type of WR this team needed.
- Clabo has been below average to average
- Wheeler has been mostly below average & the penalty he took last night shows he has ZERO football IQ
- Grimes has been excellent & Gibson was doing OK
- The run defense has been atrocious all year!
- The run blocking has been atrocious all year
- The pass blocking has been atrocious all year
- The coaching has been below average most of the year
- This team comes out flat week to week(coaching & players)

The GM is directly responsible for all of these yet, Armando thinks replacing Ireland isn't the way to go?

Not only do we need a new GM, we also need a new beat writer.

"Dion was rated a top 3 pick by every single pundit out there"
That is not even close to being true. You call others names yet post BS like this?
I have a draft publication right in front of me that rates him at the 2nd best LB in the draft - not even close to being the 3rd best player! And included in this publication is a scouting report - from an NFL scout - that basically says he's boom or bust. So far he's been all bust.
Jordan does not start because he can't defend the run. Didn't you see him get pushed around like a toy on running downs last nite? He also takes plays off. And has one freakin sack.


Guys, if you think getting Albert is the difference in this team making the playoffs you are delusional. We need 3 lineman, not 1. We need a RB. Wallace can't get open, doesn't attack the ball, he waits for it time and again - he was a mistake. We have only one CB and our LB's are not playing that great.

We need way more than Albert to be a playoff team.


No surprise that all the idiots are out in full bloom this morning.

Have a good week fellas.....

Posted by: Craig M | November 12, 2013 at 07:43 AM

And it's no surprise this idiot is saying the same stupid sh*t as he does after every loss. WHICH IS WAY TO OFTEN FOR OUR TASTE.

No one comes here to see the biggest blog idiot call other people idiots!

JUST STFU AND GO SNUGGLE WITH YOUR DOLPHINS TEDDY BEAR YOU NANCY FRUIT!

albert just turned 29 def not old will get a big deal this offseason

Philbin may be a 'high-character' guy as Ross indicated in his presser last night, but he can't coach an NFL team.

Anyone see Tannehill miss a streaking Mike Wallace down the sideline? There's your game loser right there.

2 yards rushing....2 freaking yards! I cannot believe Ireland moved UP and gave UP picks for Daniel Thomas.
Has anyone ever seen him run for more than 10 yards...EVER?

Our D-line got SHREDDED by a 4th string RB, did anyone else see the holes the RG was producing on the Bucs line?

Grimes was the only player out there with heart last night.

Dion Jordan...."special talent that comes around once a generation" according to Jeff Ireland. Guy has one sack in 10 games.

I could go on and on but don't want to vomit.

nh ross gonna say all nice things about philbin now, with him bringing in new gm he will say its up to new guy to decide philbins fate. so ross will make it look like he loves philbin

Word from Dolphins HQ is very encouraging. Jeff Ireland called in and said, "now we quit fooling around and get serious." He is going to review personnel top to bottom, with an emphasis on strengthening the offensive line. As soon as he returns from Tampa Friday after a few days with his family at Busch Gardens, he is going to roll up his sleeves and move a few chess pieces. Or maybe Monday since Friday traffic is heavy. The return of the chess master! Lots to be optimistic about.

What does Joe Philbin do ?

I still haven't worked it out yet.

Skip Bayliss was right. Joe go get your F**kin shine box.

He just does care. Wow I would give him such a roasting if I met him. Nice gormless guy. Awful leader and coach. GB didnt let him call plays WTF ? So why hire the man.

Jeff Ross would do a better job at least the players would laugh.

It is very hard for us outside of the organization to really know how much of this is Ireland, how much is the coaching, whether there is friction we don't know about, or whether it is just sheer lack of talent.

I think that Buffalo game was the canary in the coal mine. The Tampa game was an exclamation point.

Philbin is probably a very good assistant. I was pulling for him, but he doesn't appear to be a strong leader.

At this point, I hate to say it, but I don't see that this FO has earned the right to keep going. I'd be all for starting with a clean slate now - new GM, new coaching staff.

Who ever the HC and GM will be at the entering next season they need to know the following (most is obvious but some is not).

1) Keep Pouncey and scrap the rest of the line. They are horrible...consistently. Time to clean house here.

2) Cut D. Thomas and get a veteran RB onto the squad. Someone who can get that tough yard or two. Someone who can help develop Miller and Gilleslee.

3) Give Keller another one-year contract and stick with what you have here. It's just not realistic to fill all NEED positions. Stick with this unit one more year. Try to get a full season out of Keller and give the 3 others another year to grow.

4) Stick with this WR unit (Wallace, Gibson, Hartline and Mathews) but get a new scheme going. Someone has to better utilize Wallace. He is a BURNER and not a great ROUTE RUNNER. OK, you just paid him a mountain of money so find a way to play to his strengths. Get him into motion and into the slot. Run a reverse. Do something other than line him up out wide.

5) Do all that you can to sign Solai AND Starks. They will be expensive but it can be done. Look at the salary structure of the Lion's Defense. They have two DT's picked in the first round and found away to afford them both. Keep these two and Odrick together.

6) Get Jordan on the field and use Vernon as a situational guy. Vernon is NOT a starter. You have a lot invested in Jordan and he does make plays WHEN HE IS ON THE FIELD. Allow Wake and Jordan to be on the field more together and good things will happen.

7) Cut Trusnik and Wheeler. Both are horrible. Can't cover and can't tackle. Get rid of them. Build around Misi and Ellerbe. Get better LB's to help stop the run.

8) Keep Grimes. Let Patterson go..he costs too much and is never on the field two games in a row. Yes he makes INT's but he is too fragile. Get rid of Carroll. He is picked on constantly by other teams. Yes he has improved but he is NOT good. Get your two rookie CB's on the field and let them make the mistakes Carroll and Wilson make. They will show you in one season if they are worth keeping.

9) Stop asking Jones to play man cover. He is a better free lance Safety. Play to his strengths. I don't believe in Clemmons. His ball skills are piss poor. But I don't see enough $'s or picks to get another Safety next year. So, Clemmons will likely be there for another year.

jpao,

If our next HC needs any of your advice we are in serious trouble.

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