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Dolphins lose to (previously) winless Tampa Bay

TAMPA -- Don't ask me to explain this one. Don't ask me to explain this team. Don't ask me to explain this organization.

The Dolphins lost to Tampa Bay on Monday night, 22-19. The Dolphins are lost for reasons well beyond the fact they lost to the previously winless Buccaneers.

Forget for a second the Dolphins rushed for only 2 yards this game, the lowest rushing production of any NFL team since 2007. Forget for a moment they had 70 yards in penalties or that they only converted 4 of 12 third down attempts or that their only rushing first down came on a quarterback sneak.

All that is football. It happens sometimes.

But as I write in my column in Tuesday's Miami Herald, the troubles plaguing this team are deeper. And I'm not even talking about the ongoing Richie Incognito-Jon Martin soap opera.

I'm talking fundamental problems like how the Dolphins in the past month have lost to a glorified practice squad quarterback and a rookie who threw for only 139 yards.

I'm talking about how the Dolphins show no fire. They came out flat against Tampa Bay. If you read this blog or my column Monday you know I expected this team to come together and try to prove a point to everyone.

Well, they proved a point alright.

"Anytime you start out in a 15-0 hole, you're not expecting to do that," cornerback Brent Grimes said. "But we kept playing. We could have easily folded and said, 'No we're not ready for this game. We didn't come out to play.' But we came out slow but kept fighting."

Here's the problem, in this fight, the Dolphins were counter-punching. The Bucs were punching. They were the aggressors.

And yet the players say nothing is wrong. 

"We're a tight-knit team," Grimes said. That's why I'm really confused with people saying this is not a good locker room. This is a great locker room. We were ready to play. We came out and wanted to win but had a slow start. We started off bad and that hurts in this league. We fought back but down the stretch they made plays and we didn't."

"We are a close-knit group on the defensive line, defensively. and the whole team," defensive tackle Jared Odrick said. "The whole team hangs out with [each other]and it's something we brought upon ourselves. We call ourselves a tribe. So you're not going to see a separation of anybody. The more adversity. The closer we get."

Well, these guys will be soon meshing into one another because the mercury is ready to pop through the adversity meter.

Dolphins owner Stephen Ross is going to make changes. And, reading the signs Monday evening when the owner gushed about Joe Philbin and didn't mention Jeff Ireland until he said the general manager is on some internal policy committee, everyone is seeing that Ireland is looking more and more like the scapegoat.

This goes with my report Monday afternoon that said if Ross makes changes, he's more likely to keep Philbin than Ireland. I have a problem with this approach. I hope the Dolphins don't go that way.

It's clear, however, something is going to be done eventually. I'm just not sure it's going to be the right move. Can you blame me?


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Ross is meeting with Martin on Wednesday and he says he has complete confidence in the staff, looks like things are on the up in Dolphin land.
Posted by: DDW | November 12, 2013 at 10:08 AM


When the Dolphins win and Philbin gives his after game speech in the locker room to the players he reads from a piece of paper... No soul, no motivation. It shows. Get him out.

I agree with those saying Ross will be pretty much bringing a blank check to his "meeting" with Martin. Martin could go buy a villa in the south of France when his "meeting" is over with Ross.

Not too sure about many of the comments today. Not sure WHY people are frustrated (writing was on the wall, people didn't want to believe what they're lying eyes were showing them --about the scandal--, team has been consistently inconsistent for years and years and years, what's new folks)?

Not sure WHY people wouldn't be blaming Philbin? You can't get the team ready for the 1st division game AFTER a bye, can't get the team ready for the 2nd half of game they were pouncing the opponent, and can't get the team ready for a winless team with more injuries in key positions than you have after the most horrific week of controversy when you should have shown you're team was united behind you).

Not sure WHY people wouldn't be blaming the QB? Isn't he the leader? Doesn't run it in the red zone when the Red Sea has parted for him. Is his typical inaccurate self with deep passes? Doesn't see the whole field, locks in on 1 receiver, makes terrible decisions at the worst times, can't convert first downs.

As far as Tannehill, yes, OL is directly related to some of his troubles. No run game directly related to some of his troubles (and OL is responsible for that too). But he's not improving on the things he can control. I'm not saying it's time to throw in the towel on him yet, but I don't see a superstar in the making. Right now I don't even see an Alex Smith game manager. Right now I see a mediocre QB on a mediocre team.

Not sure how people want to defend the GM. Seattle worked in the wilderness for a few years, came out with an elite defense (ditto SF, ditto Carolina). Ireland has had 5 years, no elite nothing (OL, DL, QB, CB, S, WR). And why is it I could see in the Spring that Wallace didn't play to Tannehill's strong suit as a QB, but the GM didn't? I saw Tannehill as yes, having a strong arm, but NO, not being accurate on the deep ball. And I ALSO saw that Wallace basically was a one-trick pony, a deep ball speed WR. He's NOT a possession WR, he's NOT a route-runner. Why did the GM try to fit a square peg in a round hole? Over and over and over again? Don't these guys get it? Some said Trusnick and Shelby. Add to that Carroll. We have 2 drafted CBs, it's 1/2 way into the Season, they aren't up to speed yet? What about Wilson then? Or Stanford? We have these bottom feeders that never seem to improve. So, if they can't get coached up, why not move on? There's talent on the team, but after 5 years, NOT ENOUGH!

I won't even get into the Coordinators. Can't run, have a patchwork OL, and you call a run play at the 1 yard line. Seriously? On defense, you're playing a rookie QB, and you wait until you're down 15 points and he's got his confidence before pressuring him. SERIOUSLY?

Terrible, all around. And why be angry about it? The smart people here saw this coming. Way before this week. Way before this scandal erupted. Many of us saw things unraveling after the Ravens, and definitely after the Bills. This team is really no better than last year's team, or the year before, or the year before. They are a 6-10 - 8-8 team. Mediocrity....AGAIN!

Mark @ 9:42 exactly right. But HCs always bring in 'their guys'. I know why but I think most screw themselves in the end. Philbin a fist time HC, hires a whole (almost) staff of first timers. Crazy, just crazy.

I liked what I saw in Daboll. Mike Nolan? They just don't come any better. And here's the kick in the arse...took several years to build a good 3-4 D only to be scrapped for a 4-3

I had a debate with "homers" on here yesterday before the game in regards to the Dolphins chances of winning 6 of last 8 games....you know who you are...I said I doubt we would be able to beat the Bucs much less the Pats, Jets 2x, Buff at home and Carolina. I also have been stating for weeks that the mgmt. MUST go....same "homers" wanted to stay course because we are sick of the rebuild every 2-3 yrs.
I said you don't keep a bad mgmt. team because you don't want to go thru another 2-3 yr build. If this mgmt. team is bad they must go. Well this mgmt. team has been bad way before the Martin fiasco. They shuld have been gone with Sparano.
Now that it appears most of you have come to your senses. I say that the firings should happen now so that we can get the best available.

...We have been on a 2-3 re-build for the last decade. I have been on this blog going on 5 seasons. For all 5..The fans, the bloggers here have used this term at nausea. This team is always in rebuilding..No. We just always stink. So what if another regime comes in. Seriously. Roll the dice.

I know successful franchises don't do it this way. Good teams are " Solid from the foundation"(said with chest puffed out) Good teams don't "GO through the coaching carousel every other year" (Again with the puffy chest).

I think if Ross wants to make a change..It has to be all the way. From GM, to HC, to coordinators.

Just getting rid of Ireland..I'm not sure that solves the problem. I'm not sure this if this is a coaching problem, or personnel issue. The only way to know for certain is to wipe the slate clean.

Marc, he doesn't have 20 turnovers.... but behind that o line, would anyone really hold it against him if he did?

The guy ranks in favourable company in several key Qb metrics. I think right now he ranks out about middle of the pack overall and considering how little help he gets and his lack of experience, I think he's acquitted himself quite well.

Well enough to get at least another year in my book.

By the way, how's your boy boy Kaep doing? You don't talk much about him anymore, why?

Loved the shots of the box with Moore, Ross, and JT. Ross looked bewildered the whole time, Moore on the other hand looked pissed the whole time. Moore was in Ross's ear all nite. I'm curious of what he was saying. JT looked the same way.
Something is on the horizon....
Also would like the point out that it bothers me that Philbin can't look anyone in the eyes.
When Wheeler did that bonehead penalty, Philbin met him on the sideline and I was like " yeah, he's finally gonna chew someone out". Instead, he started to say something then turned around as he was talking, and finished the "chewing" with his back turned to Wheeler.
Big difference with Tampas coach when the dude did that stupid body check penalty.
Coach also met HIM on the sideline and glared at him as he was speaking. You could read his lips "why would you do something like that"? That's a coach who has authority and demands respect.
I'm sorry but Philbin just doesn't seem "strong" enough to coach in the NFL, and the team is just following his example, and it shows on the field.

Ross still says he will build a winner. He's a used car salesman.

Someone please tell Ross to form one more committee (on top of the 6 he created yesterday: This committe will include all season-ticket holders and everyone on this blog. The committee's job will be to stand behind Philbin, Sherman, Coyle and Ireland during every game. Each committe member will be holding a baseball bat. Every time a sweep is called on 3rd and inches, Sherman receives 1 whack from each committe member. Every time a timeout is called when not needed, Philbin gets his. Every time I see Solai and Wake on the sideline in the 4th quarter with 3 mins. left and we are down by 3 points, Coyle gets his. Finally, every time Wallace just stands there waiting for the ball to come to him, Ireland gets 2 whacks from every committe member (because I just hate him). You could also add whacks for Ireland every time Bush rushes for over 100 yards with Detroit.!

lol did i mark?? sorry bout that rick we def dont need back both of them. let starks walk

evin ive never heard anyone say they thought wallace was a number one

yeah bill pride gets in a lot of the guys way in here. reality view makes it much easier to accept

Regardless marc if the LBs miss a tackle or two on occastion, the team is HORRIBLE against the run and that is not solely on the LBs. This front 7 earns all the money on this team (that isn't paid to Wallace or hartline)... it should be a top ten unit instead of a bottom ten.

I'm just thrilled the taxpayers didnt give any charity to the 4.4 BILLION DOLLAR MAN who cant even have ONE winning season.

So if Philbin and Ireland get fired, I say we name Incognito MVP. He may be the reason we get a new GM!

So, now we need to tear apart the only arguably good part of the team, the DL right? Shame shame on the people finding fault with guys like Starks. One of the few guys that plays with any intensity. Sure they got shredded last night. Just like the rest of the team.

Well, if this coaching staff and GM sticks around, you will probably get your wish. They won't pay him. And we will continue to get worse.

I can find fault with about 30 other guys over Randy Strarks and Paul Solai, who we just gave an extension to anyway.

Let's start with losing our GM and an awful coaching staff first

..DC...Another good post. A lot of the opinions you have expressed over the last week or so have been right on the money..IMO anyway.

Ha, Mark is right. I'll take RT over Kaepernick any day.

Fire them. Fire them all if you have to. Just end this nightmare.

We may have cap room but, we are also stuck with ALOT of stiffs & bad contracts!

We are stuck with Wheeler & Ellerbe for at least 2 more years. No GM will come in & eat that dead money.

We are stuck with Wallace's deal for at least 2 more years.

Not only are 4 of the 5 OL positions a MUST. Add to that we still don't have the #1 WR. We still don't have A MLB or OLB. We will hae 2 of our DT's free agents.

Still no true TE. Grimes will be UFA. Then factor that in with the circus going on here. WTF in his right mind would volunteer to sign here if it wasn't as a last resort?

This team is dead in the water for at least the next 3 years.

Why do so many on this blog assume that a new GM would be better than Jeff Ireland? What about Rick Spielman? He has done a pretty poor job for the Vikings. Would you critics prefer that Ross bring back Spielman? I have to admit I literally pee my pants with fear when I think of the Dolphins without the steady hand of Jeff Ireland at the helm. Or maybe I should be wearing Depends.

42 years without a SB win and I guess this year and next are out of the question.

Posted by: stillhardcoredolphinsfan | November 12, 2013 at 10:17 AM
LOL and I scream at the TV everytime I see that sweep called

not next.... just ask kc fans

Ross is meeting with Martin on Wednesday and he says he has complete confidence in the staff, looks like things are on the up in Dolphin land.
Posted by: DDW | November 12, 2013 at 10:08 AM
Posted by: Ross Blowz | November 12, 2013 at 10:11 AM

I agree

I mentioned Kaep ONCE.

Middle of the pack is all RT will ever be. The same place Henne was, the same place Sanchez was. NOT A FRANCHISE QB.

Hey, you wanna blow it all up, fine. Starks and Soliai are gone anyway.

I was simply saying that those 3 units specifically are the only ones that have shown ANY improvement.

I do like the TE coaches personality as well. Then again, I like Sherman's, but he's stunk as well; even though I believe he's hamstringed by a crap QB and no RB's

Darryl Dunphy @ 10:13 AM:

Agreed. I don't want to go through another rebuild this decade, BUT if anyone, anyone on this blog has any confidence in this coaching staff (Ireland included), they are delusional. This staff does not have a prayer (EVER) to get us back to respectability. They are all in over their heads with either inexperience, lack of leadership qualities, and lack of football 101 knowledge.

Bill , funny you use the word "homer" thought you were one.

Listen I agree with everyone here! The whole organization needs changing, we neeed to pull a guy from either the Seahawks or 49ers orgainztion. Ireland Philbin Aponte needs to go!

Btw im not sold on Tannehill the guy cant throw any ball accurate longer than 30 yards there no way this offense can sustain 10 plus plays drive all the time. The offense cant score quickly and thats a huge issue. IMO Tannehill doesnt have what it takes to win. Look at his W and L rercord since coming in the league. If he was special dont you thibk he could elevate the team against the Bucs??? Its sad what happen to this franchise 😪😪

This team is dead in the water for at least the next 3 years.
Posted by: LOL | November 12, 2013 at 10:22 AM

Dead in the water until 3-4 years AFTER Irescum is fired.

marc dont u realize it isnt the qb and rbs but the guys blocking in front of them

It's time for someone from the past to come to the rescue, not sure who, but someone like a Shula, or a Marino, someone who cares about the Dolphins

Mike Shula has the experience, has done very well in Carolina, maybe it's time to give him a chance, also he has been developing Newton along the way

Bring Marino back in John Elway role and re-establish the identity of the Dolphins

This is getting out of hand at this point and Philbin, who I liked, looked like a deer in headlights

Also, we will never know about Tanny until we get him an OL, when he has time he makes good solid decisions and throws. Yes, he missed Wallace, but was anyone else disgusted with the effort Wallace put forth last night

The worst part about losing is having to read all the comments from the cry baby fans.

marino def doesnt care about the fins anymore. shula is dead man walking. mike shula is dumb as craig in a speedo.

Im so sick of Ireland running this franchise. Sorry to say I dont think we are winning another game. We lost to the Bucs???? The BUCS!!!! With a rookie QB and 3rd string RB!!!!! The BUCS!!!!! An 0 and 8 team!!!!

mr.dole but u dont have to read the comments

Why is it every year this team looks the same no offense with a defense that can't make big plays...really hard to watch as a fan...please bring Danny boy in as gm

Mike Shula has shades of Brian Griese all over it

..Difference between Elway and Marino..One was Stanford educated..Elway....The other...Hmmn not so much. Dan Marino is a lot of things good. But in a role of executive? I have my doubts.

I'm sure Marino wants no part of this mess. I'm also sure he gets paid MUCH, MUCH more in his current role.

Can someone explain why yet again your best defensive player is standing on the sideline behind the coach on a critical drive at the end of a game? Oliver Vernon is all fine, but why is he in for Wake with 5 minutes in the game and Tampa moving the ball like a warm knife through butter? Lets be honest. This whole team needs to go. From the owner, to the GM, down through the coaching staff and QB. Tennehill is no more the answer than Henne or Fiedler. I swear this team would have found ways to screw up Andrew Luck or RGIII if they managed to get them

Soliai got an extension? I didn't hear about this ...

Anyway, not saying they aren't good players but they have been awful as a unit this year ... for whatever reason.

Plus, he works in a week what he would work in a day as an NFL exec.

So, now we need to tear apart the only arguably good part of the team, the DL right? Shame shame on the people finding fault with guys like Starks. One of the few guys that plays with any intensity. Sure they got shredded last night.

Posted by: tvegas | November 12, 2013 at 10:21 AM

They get shredded on the ground EVERY WEEK. Who are you kidding? Go back & look at the game books, teams run it all over on us.

This may be schematic but, the fact of the matter is, based on $$ invested, this is BY FAR, the most underperforming part of the team. This is NOT debatable. This dline STINKS! & it's backed up with stats. I could give 2 sh*ts about effort, it's about RESULTS!

If you can't tell the DL is a MAJOR issue, there is no hope for you.

tvegas, don't you get it bro? "Good part of the team"? In reference to WHAT exactly? Not the league. Because we're not in the Top 10 in anything I don't think (besides INTs). We're at the bottom or middle of the league in pretty much every defensive stat (passing yards allowing, rushing, points, etc.).

You're saying good in reference to the rest of the team, which is ludicrous. This is an average, mediocre team. So the DL is slightly above average, mediocre, that's not a ringing endorsement of keep on keeping on man.

It's obviously broke and needs fixing. They swung and missed once again. GM, coaches, whatever.

And I'm not real sure Ross is capable of finding the right replacemnt but something has to give.

Darryl....Marino would bring at least some kind of excitement back to this firing franchise

I hadn't heard that either. The extension of Paul


You were right MarK. 18 turnovers. 10 INT's, 8 Fumbles

Last night was not a QB issue, he overcame a 15-0 deficit and gave the Fins a 19-15 lead, then once again our stout defense can't make the big stop to win the game and the OL decides fold like a lawn chair on the final drive.

He can't run the ball, 2 yards?, they knew he was throwing every down

Tanny is already better then Henne

Scott pioli blows

Haha, Marc, and I will never let you live it down.

But fact of teh matter is, a lot of winning qbs are middle of the pack. matt Ryan now that the supportiung cast dwindles, Cam Newton, Joe Flacco, Russel Wilson, Andrew Luck (right now), Andy Dalton, Big Ben, Eli Manning etc, etc but yet when surrounded with competency they win.

And henne was never middle of the pack in anything. yardage, tds, ints, red zone offense, all of them, he was always awful.

And middle of the pack in your 2nd year in my opinion offers promise, he can improve, he can get better.

yeah marino has zero desire to actually have to work and be a gm, zero paul didnt get an ext

At 0-8 and his ass on the line the Bucs head coach had Philbin over a the bar with his pants down.

A Buc player put a late hit on and the coach went to the player immediately to calmly coach him. Philbin just gave Wheeler a little scared glance and went about his good old fashioned half assed coaching.

Stop it with the Marino talk. He was a great QB, but he's not a smart man who knows personnel. Sure, he knows how to cheat on his wife and father children with random women, but run a football team? NO!

agree mark, still high on thill. kid can be good

So Ireland gets rid of a top 3 WR in the league in Brandon Marshall an gives this girl Mike Wallace 60 millions!

Iteland doesnt resign Biush who was a playmaker last year and keep D Thomas who blows! Imagine Bush and Miller on the field the same time

Iteland lets Long walk drafts an emotinal baby in Martin and lets Incignito a known knucklehead as leader abover all leaders

Approves of Ross to hiire a mummy in Joe Philbin who has no excitment and doesnt know how to motivate his playera!

How much more reason do you guys need to see why we such???

i did see that with philbin and wheeler, philbin basically did nothing. wheeler just walked on by

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