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Drafting Jon Martin was a consensus decision

When the second round of the 2012 NFL draft began, the Dolphins knew they wanted to add an offensive tackle. Two players were at the top of general manager Jeff Ireland's horizontal draft board at the position and both were graded as virtual equals.

The Dolphins, with the 42nd overall selection, liked Georgia offensive tackle Cordy Glenn and Stanford offensive tackle Jonathan Martin.

And when the the Buffalo Bills selected Glenn with the 41st pick, there was no hesitation inside the Dolphins draft room. The focus immediately shifted to Martiin.

A scout who was most familiar with Martin was brought in and asked to go over the scouting report. And the file was clean. Martin was described as Andrew Luck's blindside protector, as smart, as a potentially good locker room guy and as a tough player.

When the scout was done with the report everyone in the room was sold. Everyone in the room agreed. No one -- not owner Stephen Ross, not coach Joe Philbin, obviously not Ireland, no one -- said anything that would suggest Martin shouldn't be picked.

Indeed, the idea that Martin is "soft," was never brought up. There were no red flags as to his psychological or emotional state. There were no medical issues.

And based on that strong organizational consensus, the Dolphins selected Martin.

Fast forward 19 months and it is clear the narrative on Martin has changed. His emotional state is such that he's getting treatment for an unspecified "illness." He was considered to be soft by some teammates.

So did the Dolphins completely miss it?

Or did Martin, under heavy and unrelenting pyschological attack, simply lose it once he got to the Dolphins?

Was Jonathan Martin troubled before he came to the Dolphins, suggesting the personnel department missed something, or did the Miami culture ruin him, suggesting the coaching failed him?

To hear former Stanford players such as Coby Fleener and Andrew Luck talk, they back up the initial scouting report the Dolphins had on Martin.

That, however, is not the point. The point is now Martin has fallen away and his representatives say he's not comfortable returning to the Dolphins. So aside from the sad nature of this Incognito-Martin issue, the bottom line is the Dolphins have probably wasted another second round pick.

And the popular thinking among fans is it is all Ireland's fault.

Well, sure, it is Ireland's ultimate responsibility for picking a player that did not return the desired investment. But what happened that day in the draft room was a full-throated approval of what Ireland was doing. That includes Joe Philbin. That includes owner Stephen Ross.

Everyone.

To his credit, Philbin publicly has not distanced himself from Ireland at a time Ross has seemingly done so and fans are on a Fireland rampage. On Wednesday the coach made certain everyone knows Ireland does not act alone on personnel matters. Philbin, you see, is also responsible for personnel wins and losses since he was hired.

“Jeff and I have worked closely since the day I’ve gotten here," the coach said. "He’s been very supportive. We all work together. This is not a one-man operation in any regard. Everybody works together. Everybody contributes."

And when responsibility must be attached or fault found, everyone shares in that.

So if Ireland indeed loses his job for this pick, this controversy, it bears saying he had lots of company in Jonathan Martin becoming a sad chapter in Dolphins history. Philbin approved of picking Martin. As did others.

No one said no.

Meanwhile, there is something to be said for fate because Glenn, who the Dolphins just as likely would have picked before he was selected by the Bills, is turning into a very good player. He has started every game for the Bills this season at left tackle. 

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cocoa,

I don't disagree with that. I think Ireland was too patient in dealing with the OL this offseason and didn't get what he wanted in the end I think Clabo was nothing more than the last guy available. They thought he'd be better than nothing. He turned out worse than nothing.

He should have just kept Long, they weren't far off. The Rams only offered slightly more. That one move looks to be the straw that broke the camels back this season.

Remember you can't put people cursing on TV.

Mark.

It is how you coach up and use athleticism. Vontae Davis is a spectacular athlete. Coaching and inspiring great athletes up individually and as a team is what separates.

There are great athletes everywhere in nfl. How you use them and inspire them is what makes a good coach.

MARTIN IS LOST FOR THE SEASON TO INJURY - MOVE ON

If it was an ACL, achilles, Lisfranc, torn triceps muscle or whatever it is time to move on.

Mark, I think Ireland actually did a little better this year. Some of it was (Keller) was just bad luck. But I look at the overall body of work and I see a lot of mistakes.

WE PROVED MONDAY WE CAN PASS BLOCK NOT RUN BLOCK

So let's pass the ball 60 times vs SD.
Want miller to have 20 touches? Screens and swing passes in the flat and dump offs.

PRO QB WANTED

MUST BE WILLING TO PLAY FOR PEANUTS

CONTACT THE MIAMI DOLPHINS

Dashi, above all this should be a fine lesson to those that criticized jake when he was here. Saying he was finished, not worth the money, play anyone there, we will be ok. Sure jake wasn't as good as he once was but he was still good enough to allow an NFL offense to function. It's a tough position to play. We both wanted him back and paid, but the fanbase spoke loud and clear. Now they blame Ireland when most themselves thought the guy wasn't worth paying when we had a tonne of cap space to do so without hindering the team going forward. A lot of the people posting here should be looking in the mirror at the same time. Pretty hypocritical.

Chris from Calgary,
Do you know Ed from Edmonton?

Don't read your postgame winnning speach from a cue card.

Look your players in the eye, show intensity and passion Good teams follow true leaders.

This team is good enougth talent wise to be a wild card. It does not play up to its tallent level.

coaching.

gotta love these arm chair gm's. bloggers projecting players? good grief!

find a different hobby. preferably 1 you might actually know something about. do you really believe anyone takes your ANALysis seriously?

Jake Long was Ireland's 1 HOFer.

Jake would've spent 5 more years in Miami he would've retired a HOFer. 4 more Pro bowls. Probably 1 Superbowl appearance. Yeah, he would have HOF Credentials.

But No!! All of you(about 95%) crying get rid of Jake!! Jake would've cost about $10 Mil a season. Which is fair value for a player of his caliber. Heck, the Heat pay C.Bosh ($16M) the same amount as LeBron and he doesn't do anything for his team.

The Fins have the cap room!!

And Yes!! By keeping Jake this would have never happened.

MIT,
Jake Long's injury was a torn triceps.
Do you know what it takes to tear a triceps muscle? Go and try to push a railroad car and keep pushing until your triceps muscle tears, the mental focus required to earn that injury is uber-human.

IN addition, sorry, don't remember many of the guards there at the time. Surely wasn't as loaded as the prior draft was for interior linemen though.

But looking at the board, OSemele who went at 60 to Baltimore is a good player. Jeff Allen to KC at 44 is a starter.

AGAINST SD WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE DO BEST 100% OF THE TIME

If that means we have to pass every down then let's pass every down.

(Doing 'what we do best' does not mean we are great at passing it just means that we can pass block better than run block)

Chris, some atheltes are better than others and the Dolphisn have drafted some very good ones that had production at the colelgiate level.

And I agree with you completely, coaching them up is the difference. The Gm can pick good atheltes who were productive in college until he's blue in teh face but if the coaches can't find a way to use his skills then it's like titz on a bull as they say...

Yes, Kevin Coyle, I'm talking to you. You get the most dynamic front 7 prospect and best CB prospect and do nothign with either. Congrats!!

Jonathan Martin is in the conversation for Ireland's best second round pick ever...enough said...

Exposing the fraud

yup Ed is a good guy. Big oilers fan( slightly worse than being a dolphins fan)

ANYBODY ELSE NOTICE

Whenever the camera shows Philbin he is looking up at the video board trying to find out what happened on the last play while his team is in the huddle already calling the next play.

ETF, I know how important a tricep muscle is. Biggest muscle in the arm and the true force behind any pushing motion you do with your upper body (well triceps and core). Tears repair though and often come back stronger than before. It's not like a torn ligament or joint that can't heal on it's own without surgery that also robs you of athleticism and range of motion.

cocoa, no doubt a lot of mistakes. I also think he got no help from his coaches (esp def coach) this year though. No respect for his draft and refuses to coach up or use any of his picks.

Chris,
Speaking of Edmonton that idiot coach should be playing Yakupov on the first line not trying to stifle his career. He tried the same shht with Kreider on the NYR but the NYR were smart enough to get rid of Tortorella not Kreider.

cocoa, you bring up a good point. I wonder how much different the offense would be with Keller in there. Clay has done a good job (in pretty much every game but the Bucs) filling in, but Keller is a dynamic TE and would probably have given Tannehill a better outlet option when he's in trouble. But I wonder if he would have added any more wins than we have now.

We'll never know, but it shows just how much needs to go right for a team with a small margin of error like ours to have success. Whereas EVERYTHING can go wrong for the Pats and they still are way above .500. Telling. And it's not all Brady this year folks, he's been sucky. COACHING. That's where you see the biggest difference between the two teams.

I don't think you can lay the Martin pick on Ireland. He was listed as a top tackle and you know if Jeffy did nothing else he did the due diligence on his character.

Giving up extra picks to get an average RB in Daniel Thomas you can put on Irealnd, not wanting to trade your 2nd rd pick for an OT (Albert) you desparately need because you want to trade up to get a tweener DE you can put on Ireland.

I would say you have to lay the Martin issue on the coaching staff and maybe give at least some blame to just how ignorant the whole mind game nonsense that Incognito and friends were playing was.

Of course you also wonder if they had made the trade for Albert and drafted a guard who could actually beat out Jerry, would the whole line have played better thus taking some of the pressure off of Martin???

Who knows. The fact of the matter is the O-line sucks and we know Jeff Ireland has had at least 5 years to fix it.

So we start with him and if the new GM wants a new coaching staff, so be it.

MIT,
I was really referring to the 'manhood' required to tear a triceps.
Obviously the manhood is what has been lacking in the LT position since Long left.

IT WOULD BE FUNNY TO FIND OUT

That Incogs treated Martin the way Long treated Incogs.

Kris. I know it's sad to come to the realization that you risk your life (probably not) and I make double your salary sitting in the A/C.

I get more chicks too...Ouch

When the season is over, you all will see that my boy Tannehill is the most improved QB.

Pray for new ownership.

Guys, lets not blame Ireland or Tannehill for anything, ok?

DC @ 10:46...

That was the ULTIMATE cya move pulled off by Ireland...he leveraged himself 2-3 more years by picking Tane when he did..instead if picking a QB when when the TEAM needed one...he picked one...when it would give him the most leighway....amd That is part of the problem now...we ALL know the QB that was stting there ripe for the picking in the 3rd RD he season prior....instead...we get D. Thomas...and 2 yards Rushing against the bucs....

having said that....

I think its unfortunate that Ireland will get caught up in this scandal...I was just starting to warm p to him...and ALWAYS wanted Philbin to get his full 5 years as HC....

looks like they are both gone @ season's end...and with that...the whole team will be evaluated..and turned over....

If Tanne is who many believe he is...he will have to prove it to a new FO....

Sure you do Marc....sure you do....

Uhm ETF, The Oiler coach is Dallas Eakins, not Torterella. Tors is in Vancouver.

And Yak was a blow of a pick by the Oilers. Should've picked Galchenyuk. Hockey equivalent of Long over Ryan.

Dashi,

I personally wasn't for "getting rid of Jake" but in defense of those who were they got their info to start with based on news from the negotiation.

Ireland basically said Long wants x amount and he didn't want to pay him that because he didn't think he had played to that level the past few seasons and he made that public.

Fans just responded with their opinions. Ultimately, at least from my perspective Ireland made the decision to roll the dice on Martin versus paying Long a 1/2 a million year more than he thought his value was.

FORGET ABOUT THE DRAFT! MARTIN PRACTICED AND PLAYED FOR THE PHINS FOR A WHOLE YEAR. WHO DECIDED THAT J MARTIN WAS GOOD ENOUGH AFTER 1 YEAR ON OUR TEAM TO TAKE OVER FOR JAKE LONG? THAT IS THE FAILURE HERE, NOT JUST ANOTHER BAD DRAFT PICK.

DC, no doubt that Tannehill needs bigger receivers that work teh middle of the field. To those who say we don't need another WR, wrong. We need a big bodied be it a WR or dynamic TE to get the best out of Tannehill. he excels working the middle of the field. Look what he's got out of Matthews/Gibson/Clay

Ah, sorry ETf, misread. Yeah, Long was also a dikk but a man, he was a big, good mountain of a player.

Come on marc @ 11:27. What does that have to do with football....

b jax
wtf r u doin?
y r u interview the useless clueless pos irecorn te egghead?
just f'n pathetic
lol

If you would've signed Jake Long you wouldn't have to waste a 2nd rd Pick on B.Albert.

The Dolphins could've stayed at #8 and drafted J.Cooper or Warmack.

The O-Line could've looked like this.

LT-J.Long
LG-R.Incognito
C-M.Pouncey
RG-Cooper
RT-J.Martin

By Incognito being preoccupied with Mr.Long, he wouldn't have ragged on Martin so hard. Plus, that would've made an above average line all around for the next 2-3 Years. Until you replace Incognito with somebody younger.

Kris, it's not hard to figure out what you make...There are pay charts, and I'm sure by your posts you're enlisted. Even if you're a SGM with 20 years in I double your income...

Loser

MIT,
Sorry about the mistype.
Just woke up.
(Still on workers comp at least until 12/3; nothing to do but watch Housewives Miami and The First 48 Miami, play Splinter Cell Blacklist, sleep, drink, burn, get laid and get paid.)

Rick, actually Ireland (and I do sympathize with him to a degree but in the end results speak) did kind of mess that up because he gave Long a higher offer in the middle of the season before Long got hurt again. At season's end, Long wanted that same offer but got a reduced one, thus he took the Rams offer because felt slighted even though it is potentially worth less than our reduced offer.

At least that's teh story mando tells.... I have no way of knowing if this is true or not but makes sense.

Why do you think your old lady loves me?

marc, not if kris worx 4 black water.6+ fig$ there
lol

I have nothing to hide Marc....

like you said...my pay is made PUBLIC....anyone with half a brain could google it...enter you....

besides...shoudn't you be sleeping....whattime does night shift start @ walmart....7 or 8 pm...

I also didn't know they were supplying AC to the shelve stockers....good for you..probably very motivating...helps get you out of the bed every evening@ 6 pm....

In short, you don't nickel and dime your franchise player...

ETTF, sounds liek you're living the dream! Enjoy, live it!!


Posted by: Dashi | November 14, 2013 at 11:41 AM

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Completely agree with that post.

I'm not fan of Ireland, I think he must go BUT this debacle is all on the coaching staff led by Philbin. They are still vehemently in denial about a series of things and have been secretive in most things and then you have this.

A little transparency and this would have not been a story. And please do not keep insulting our intelligence when you deny any lack of knowledge about this. The second you knew Cogs was appointed the leader of the locker you had to know there could be trouble ahead.

But I digress bc putting all of this embarrassing incident aside, Mr. Philbin has proven himself to be a mediocre HC. Countless boneheaded decisions and above all misusing the talent at hand. Bush last year, Wallace now. Ireland gave him toys and he just failed to use them properly. No excuse for that line to give up that many sacks. Newsflash: below avg OLines are a league-wide epidemic yet we were dead last in that category. He failed to adapt, if the zone blocking was not working with that personnel why not try something different.

Bottom line I can go and on about so many dubious choices Philbin had made during his tenure, which is why it was so baffling to hear Ross giving him so much love on national TV. If Ross can not get after all this this team needs a complete makeover, nothing will. Enjoy the empty seats!

Now....

if were done....I'd lie to get back to talkig football....

Or am I suppose to wait unti you throw out a comment about doing my wife..

i'm not really sure how this internet "tough guy" stuff works...

you seem to be very well versed in it hiding behind yur keyboard...

The same publication with the scalding scouting report on Martin also had him rated as the 7th - 7TH!! - best Left Tackle in that draft. Yet there Martin sat at the top of Ireland's draft board.
Is it any wonder this team has a serious dearth of talent?

Posted by: MassDolphan
he was the 5th tackle taken and is was 14 picks tip the next was taken. i saw other scouting reports, predraft, with him ranked as high as 3rd.

The Chiefs were arguably at the lowest point in the history of their franchise in 2012. And they'd been well below mediocre for a long time. Andy Ried and veteran QB who never turns the ball over come in in 2013 and the Chiefs are the toast of the league. But as a reminder, the Chiefs had accumulated a roster full of former first rounders and Pro Bowlers, who apparently just needed a little guidance and structure to become a good team. Reid had to be salivating at the amount of talent on the Chiefs roster to worh with. Five former first rounders start on defense! They had simply been torpedoed by Romeo Crennel and Scott Pioli's insistence on going down with the ship with Matt Cassell. I have to think a similar renaissance could occur in Miami with a so-called retread coach with an eye for creating schemes to maximize talent.


Jake would've cost about $10 Mil a season. Which is fair value for a player of his caliber.

Posted by: Dashi | November 14, 2013 at 11:16 AM

We should have given Long $10 a year? For what? To reward him for being the player he used to be? This is why you are ridiculed as much as you are.

Is that what the Rams gave him? You think he was worth $10mil per and the only other team to offer him a deal was $8.5 per.

So, you're only about $1.5 MILLION OFF & they HAD to overpay to secure his services! Just stop pretending to know anything & hush up kid. You bring down the IQ of those who read your mularky!

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | November 14, 2013 at 11:45 AM

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I hear what your saying. It's easy for me to say I guess because Ireland does have the job of budgeting our personnel but personally with my job on the line I wouldn't have quibbled over a few bucks. Winning or at least the attempt to win would have taken priority.

One other thing - who consults with a scout during the draft when it's your time to pick? Shouldn't all research have been done BEFORE the draft? Sounds like Ireland is unprepared, and indecisive as other posters here have stated.
He's a disaster. He's drafted one pro bowl player in 6 years - Long - and he was a Parcell's pick and they passed on Matt Ryan.
If Ireland and Co. were replaced in the draft room with all of us even, this team would have better players.

Mark - to your post earlier...I am one fan who criticize Ireland for the OT situation and also thought paying Jake Long a big $ contract for +4-5 years was not th eright thing to do. I don't see myself as a hypocrite.

Ireland is GM who gets PAID BIG MONEY to make these decisions. Martin wan't the only option for replaceing Jake. He could have traded for another FA or drafted a better OT than Martin. He chose Martin not me.

The fact is he made the decision t allow Jake to wak...OK. But he decisions for how he would fill that vacancy are the problems impacting the team today.

That is on him not any fan pointing that fact out.

Dashi only problem is Cooper was picked before the Dolphins picked at 12. Unless they picked him at 3, but man this board would've gone crazy with a trade up for a guard and then he breaks his leg. Something about this GM picking injury prone players and not wanting playmakers.

They get one in Jordan and still ocmplain.

The OLINE IS HORRIBLE and who exactly assembled it?

Mia73,
Much truth to what you are saying about Reid and Chiefs talent.
The talent level was even more compelling because the talent is all over the field (RB, WR, OL, LB, CB, S).
That is different than having all of your top talent concentrated on the DL with a bunch of bullshht stories all over the rest of the field.

If Tanne were the QB in KC they would still be 9-0.
If Smith were the QB here we would have lost 2 of the first 3 and sit at 2-7.

Tannehill has been a huge dissapointment for a 1st rd pk

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