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Dolphins unite in the face of drama (updated)

Everybody is aware Dolphins players hit back on Wednesday. In what seemed like a well practiced, well executed blitz, players throughout the entire locker room defended the team's leadership, defended the team's coaching staff, and mostly, defended Richie Incognito -- giving new context to the Incognito-Martin scandal.

Well, the truth about that apparent orchestrated offensive is that it was kind of orchestrated.

And it went against Joe Philbin's previous explicit orders to players Monday to not discuss the issue in the media. Philbin often tells players the message they should pass to the media.

But by Wednesday, the head coach had changed his mind. Philbin told players in a morning meeting to defend themselves.

And as a group of players, fed up with the scandal, the Dolphins broke their silence.

"We were at a point where we weren't told to say anything. We weren't going to talk. There's an investigation. Plain and simple. You guys expected that," receiver Brian Hartline said. "And now we're able to say our opinion and really protect ourselves from being bullied by [the media] because we weren't talking. Nobody said a word. We weren't fighting back. There were no comments from Richie. There were no comments from us. And we just sat back and listened to it a couple of days.

"And we got kind of tired of it. We got to the point, and you guys can judge, but it caught us all off guard and it's a shame it happened."

Quarterback Ryan Tannehill said players talked about the scandal as a team and decided to come closer as a team.

“Well yes, it’s nonstop," Tannehill said. "I feel like today’s been much better. Guys aren’t discussing the whole thing like the past few days. Obviously, everyone’s hearing about it. Our phones are blowing up from anyone we’ve ever come in contact about the situation. There has been a lot of chatter about it but, today I think guys are happy to stick to each other, have each other’s backs and get ready to play.”

There has been speculation about how disastrous this issue could be to the Dolphins' on-field chances.

I think that speculation is going to be proven wrong. I don't see a team divided. I don't see a team cracking under pressure.

I see a team that is under external pressures but not necessarily divided internally.

We won't know until Monday night in Tampa when the Dolphins play an 0-8 opponent that, guess what, also has had its share of drama.

[Update: The players were told to get back on message today -- which is to say, stop talking again. "We've been told to only talk about Tampa Bay," guard Nate Garner said.]

[Correction: Previously I was told Philbin's orginal orders stood Wednesday. They did not. He changed them Wednesday and changed them again Thursday.]   

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take it out on the Bucs, Go Dolphins!!

That's right! Maybe this will be the push the team needed? Maybe we will have some leaders finally emerge out of all of this?

Why not? They feel they are now being bullied buy the entire country. People who have no part in this and never played and organized sport in their lives talking bad about them, trying to push them to make a mistake, harassing them with hundreds of calls and texts, former players and current talking heads questioning their desire and leadership.

The whole country is against these guys right now so all they have is each other and a few of us fans who still have their backs! GO DOLPHINS!!!!!!

They are pi#$ed and I'm loving it. I wouldn't want to be Tampa Bay Monday night.

Also Go Ireland!!!!! Seriously, just go.

The big bad bullies are going to Tampa Bay! Dolphins to Bucs,,,,'We'll kill you'.

Uh oh, they want to murder the other team, lock em up!

Say hello to the bad guy

- Razor Ramon

They are going to shite in their mouths!!!

Mark,

Is that like 2 Dolphins 1 cup?

Phins78 | November 07, 2013 at 03:00 PM

The "TRAGEDY" for me is that if Goodell only fines the team and leaves the discipline squarely on Cogs then Ross will make NO CHANGES mark my words!

There maybe some internal changes to the Coaching stafff but he won't blow up another core group after less than 24 Months! I believe given Ireland hand picked this group he stays as well for at least another Season.

I get a feeling this Owner is really out of touch and while a smart real estate developer isn't quite sure how to put his finger on the pulse of any situation regarding this particular venture in his life and Ireland is a BYE-PRODUCT of that because he's sold Ross on a plan and model which the owner seems to trust implicitly relying on Ireland's "EXPERTISE"

You wondered when the Autism angle would be brought into it given Ireland knows what it's like to have children signaled out and bullied? What society is Mando living in?? First off how many autistic children attend regular H.S.'s and the ones that have (We had one at Miami Killian Sr. back in the late 80's) people went out of their way to help them not be-little them!

The comparison is preposterous! A BIG difference between hazing/bullying and picking on the mentally challenged. As a matter of fact had someone picked on the person I attended School with they'd have left in an Ambulance, just not tolerated! I know it happens but the majority of us find it sick! So again this angle which will get more play to drum up support for Ireland is baseless. Let's see if the Chair Person of the Mt. Sinai Hospital's autistic center which Ireland does charity work for (Dan & Claire Marino) buy this and throw Ireland a lifeline in the form of his work for the supposed "WEAK" who can't fend for themselves? I doubt it and would have a real issue with IRELAND IF HE WENT THIS ROUTE TO JUSTIFY HIMSELF!

Ross, save the Dolphins. SELL THE TEAM!

Well, it seems like this ordeal has brought the team together, as being of one corporate body, mind and soul.

GO PHINS!

Nobody seems to know squat. This team is in a fog. No statement from the owner. Credit that to Stephen Ross. Success or failure of any organization starts at the top. You can tell what kind of organization you are dealing with the minute you walk in the door whether its an auto parts store, a restaurant, or a billion dollar casino. Its obvious from the manager down to talking to the guy sweeping the floor.
This is Stephen Ross's half hearted hobby and it shows. This is the same kind of crappy product that William Clay Ford of Detroit put out. Horrid owner.

Bravo Team Dolphins! Congrats for your courage.

eww rdubs, that site is disgusting..

Other side of the picture. Did the team go against Philbin's orders? And if so has Philbin reprimanded them. If not what kind of message is he sending the team? I would think not a good one, it would be a message that he is not fit to lead.

I would be interested in some answers to these questions.

Ok, 2 serious questions.

1. Is Patterson healthy & is he gonna play?

2. I need 1 guy for my 2nd flex player this week:
H. Nicks J. Nelson, Riley Cooper, F. Gore or Le'veon Bell. Who would you play?

Also Go Ireland!!!!! Seriously, just go.

Posted by: Phins78 | November 07, 2013 at 03:19 PM

I thought this was especially funny.

Oh wait


2 Bucs one cup. That is better

They are going to shite in their mouths!!!

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | November 07, 2013 at 03:25 PM

Mark,

Is that like 2 Dolphins 1 cup?

Posted by: Rdubs | November 07, 2013 at 03:26 PM

You guys,,,,lol

DC, once a year I say something funny, you have to look hard but the jokes are there. Ha

rdubs, that is much better!

Anybody here get in on Twitter at the IPO cost this morning? If so, congrats on your one day 78% return ...

Guys I look at it 2 ways

1. The dolphins will band together and we'll make a playoff push. Media will be pissed.

2. The team will crash and have some sort of losing record at this point heads will roll. Ireland, Philbin will be gone! Media will be happy

Let's hope scenarios 1 plays out..

Patterson is questionable (if I were to guess from his history, and the fact he can't seem to play 3 games in a row, I'd say no).

Frank Gore (Nicks is having a down year, Nelson won't have a QB, Cooper can't do that twice, and Bell would be my 2nd choice).

Phins, it's cool, remember, I'm the guy who wants the dry, sterile atmosphere until we get some wins. Even with the fanbase. I'd tell my wife no more nooky, but then I probably wouldn't have sex until I'm 80!

Can't argue too much there fin4life. Some good points. I will add though that I believe Petersen was also in Ross' ear about continuity and keeping Ireland. I remember reading something about that a while back when they were looking for a coach, before they found Philbin.

Petersen told him Ireland had made some good moves and had a good plan.

So it's bad if that's the case, it means Ireland has someone in his corner who is trusted around the league. I don't have faith in this man anymore, I've been done for weeks.

There was an article at the Sun that laid out his entire body of work including players who come to the team and underperform along with players who leave and turn into pro bowlers and Irelands hand in all of that.

I hate to say this but I hope he told that agent Martin should fight him and more. It's the only way we are getting out from under his watch. Ireland , good or bad, should have been fired when Sparano was fired.

Really Mark? that's nuts, wow.

DC, that's right. lol

Guys thank you one and all for a fun discussion today. You all helped me through this miserable rain day but I HAVE to get a little work done in the office so I'm out for a bit.

Everyone drive safe and enjoy your night, love and laugh! Peace.

Yep Phins, some days it pays to have connections...

I told you idiots 4 days ago and I'm telling you now:

Fins 38
Bucs 9

Team is pissed now and this is just what we needed to spark a run to 11-5.

Bank on it.

This could really end up great for us!!!
Ireland gets fired, Martin goes home to his mommy, and Incognito comes back.

So why did they get rid of Incognito so fast?

The cover up is always worse than the crime.

So Martin and Incognito are out. What's up with the O-Line now?

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/11/07/richie-incognito-jonathan-martin-dolphins-lydon-murtha/

Guys last thing. EVERYONE read this if you haven't. Very interesting.

So why did they get rid of Incognito so fast?

The cover up is always worse than the crime.

Posted by: Black Finhead | November 07, 2013 at 03:50 PM

Cause he's a jackass racist.

Blll,

I think the notion that cogs being racist have already been dismissed. In fact, it's safe to say the Dolphins jumped the gun here.

A suspension is warranted I guess to save face in light of the profane & racist sounding words Cogs used.

But, let's be real here. An NFL or NBA locker room is probably the last place you'd expect a racist to hang out. They are predominantly black.

That's not a racist thing to say, it's a fact.

I don't want to hear any more stuff about Martin-Incognito gate! I wish Incognito were going to be playing for us though. Just want focus on the next game, we need to win and shut everyone up once and for all. Come together team and play like brothers together against the enemy, not ourselves...Go Phins!

Work can wait, this is too crazy.

READ THE LINK I POSTED!!!!!!

Here is the part printed by the media from Murtha.

"Incognito was made a scapegoat for the hell coming down on the Dolphins organization, which in turn said it knew nothing about any so-called hazing. That’s the most outlandish lie of this whole thing. The coaches know everything. The coaches know who’s getting picked on and in many cases call for that player to be singled out. Any type of denial on that side is ridiculous. I have friends on more than a dozen teams, and it’s the same everywhere. What people want to call bullying is something that is never going away from football. This is a game of high testosterone, with men hammering their bodies on a daily basis. You are taught to be an aggressive person, and you typically do not make it to the NFL if you are a passive person. There are a few, but it’s very hard. Playing football is a man’s job, and if there’s any weak link, it gets weeded out. It’s the leaders’ job on the team to take care of it."

And this is from Armandos blog,

" MMQB, Peter King had former Dolphins offensive lineman Lydon Murtha write a first-person account of what he saw in the Dolphins locker room of the relationship between Incognito and Martin and the rest of the organization. And he writes, in part, this:

"Incognito was made a scapegoat for the hell coming down on the Dolphins organization, which in turn said it knew nothing about any so-called hazing. That’s the most outlandish lie of this whole thing. The coaches know everything. The coaches know who’s getting picked on and in many cases call for that player to be singled out. Any type of denial on that side is ridiculous."

Silverback in my opinion yes Ireland has failed. This organization is dysfunctional. This scandal should never have left the locker room. Would this have happened on the Pats? Of course not.
As for drafts. Too many 1st, 2nd and 3rd picks have been bust since Ireland came aboard. You cannot continually miss on the early round picks. Most are not even on the team.

Posted by: Bill Arnsparger | November 07, 2013 at 03:42 PM

Funny you would bring up how the Pats or others would have handled the situation. You remember in 2010 when Randy Moss still the only real deep threat N.E. had told Brady he looked like a Girl with the Beiber curls (he did by the way and the man clogs and purses since have gone to far) and Brady told him to shave cause he looked like a bum?

It was reported Randy went at Tom physically (like Moss all day in that one) and was restrained by teammates. The following day Belichik shipped Moss out the door, period end of story! Moss apologized and tried crying his way back to no avail! Heck even the worst Coach in team history Wannstache sent Darryl Gardner packing along with his 80 Mil. contract when there was an issue between him and JT.

The players are saying the right things and maybe do bond over it get p i s s e d and make a Post-season run but the reality is that this was allowed to fester and everybody apparently let it go for far to long pushing Honey Suckle over the edge. That also goes into how much the guys care because we have seasoned vets like Starks and Solia who did nothing Wake included. It seems this group has no structure or direction and that part for me lies squarely on Ireland and Philbin who have zero finger on this teams pulse.

Same exact paragraph painting the Dolphins and Incognito in a bad light, COMING FROM A FORMER PLAYER.

YET,,,,,YETTTTTTTT they leave out the entire story that talks about the situation being BS. Murtha actually gave more than a few examples of how the media is either lying or stretching the truth in this case to make Incognito out to be the villain.

Armando, if you see this come on man. You HAVE to answer to this. Why did you guys only use the one paragraph where he called out the team while leaving out the multiple paragraphs where he balmes and questions Martin.

Mando, seriously, this is wrong and someone needs to answer for it. You can't hold nfl teams to these incredibly high standards while you guys roll around in the mud. ITS NOT FAIR AND YOU GUYS SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE.

What's going on?

BOTTOM LINE

Clabo is back at RT
Garner is the new LG

Tannehill may be paralyzed from the beating he takes on Monday.

"I went to college at Nebraska with Richie Incognito, and I consider myself friends with him and Jonathan Martin, but I don’t speak with them regularly and I’m not taking sides. I’m only interested in the truth, which is what I’m going to share, from my own experiences and from conversations with friends still on the team."

Lydon Murtha

"Positive motivation in the NFL could in the real world be considered bullying."
-Kyle Turley, former NFL OL and rookie mentor.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/football/nfl/la-sp-farmer-turley-incognito-20131107,0,4724400.column#axzz2jzoEyOuq

"From the beginning, when he was drafted in April 2012, Martin did not seem to want to be one of the group. He came off as standoffish and shy to the rest of the offensive linemen. He couldn’t look anyone in the eye, which was puzzling for a football player at this level on a team full of grown-ass men. We all asked the same question: Why won’t he be open with us? What’s with the wall being put up? I never really figured it out. He did something I’d never seen before by balking at the idea of paying for a rookie dinner, which is a meal for a position group paid for by rookies. (For example, I paid $9,600 for one my rookie year.) I don’t know if Martin ever ended up paying for one, as I was cut before seeing the outcome."

Lydon Murtha

"Martin was expected to play left tackle beside Incognito at guard from the start, so Incognito took him under his wing. They were close friends by all appearances. Martin had a tendency to tank when things would get difficult in practice, and Incognito would lift him up. He’d say, there’s always tomorrow. Richie has been more kind to Martin than any other player."

Lydon Murtha

ITS NOT FAIR AND YOU GUYS SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE.

What's going on?

Posted by: Phins78 | November 07, 2013 at 04:07 PM

I went and read it and your right alot of what were being fed is sensationalist hack-reporting! Expected more from the guy who inherited Pope and Bob Rubin's Miami Herald Sports section!

"In other situations, when Martin wasn’t showing effort, Richie would give him a lot of crap. He was a leader on the team, and he would get in your face if you were unprepared or playing poorly. The crap he would give Martin was no more than he gave anyone else, including me. Other players said the same things Incognito said to Martin, so you’d need to suspend the whole team if you suspend Incognito."

Lydon Murtha

Which brings me to my first point: I don’t believe Richie Incognito bullied Jonathan Martin. I never saw Martin singled out, excluded from anything, or treated any differently than the rest of us. We’d have dinners and the occasional night out, and everyone was invited. He was never told he can’t be a part of this. It was the exact opposite. But when he came out, he was very standoffish. That’s why the coaches told the leaders, bring him out of his shell. Figure him out a little bit.

That’s where Incognito ran into a problem. Personally, I know when a guy can’t handle razzing. You can tell that some guys just aren’t built for it. Incognito doesn’t have that filter. He was the jokester on the team, and he joked with everybody from players to coaches. That voicemail he sent came from a place of humor, but where he really screwed up was using the N-word. That, I cannot condone, and it’s probably the biggest reason he’s not with the team right now. Odd thing is, I’ve heard Incognito call Martin the same thing to his face in meetings and all Martin did was laugh. Many more worse things were said about others in the room from all different parties. It’s an Animal House. Now Incognito’s being slandered as a racist and a bigot, and unfortunately that’s never going to be wiped clean because of all the wrong he’s done people in his past. But if you really know who Richie is, he’s a really good, kind man and far from a racist.

Lydon Murtha

"In my experience, he’s not the kind of person who would extort someone for $15,000. The notion that Martin was forced to pay for a trip he didn’t attend has been misrepresented.

Playing football is a man’s job, and if there’s any weak link, it gets weeded out. It’s the leaders’ job on the team to take care of it.
Every year, as tradition, the offensive line goes on a big Vegas trip. Everything is paid for in advance, from hotels to a private jet to show tickets. Martin originally verbally committed to the trip, then later backed out after everything was booked. Now, if you can’t go because of an emergency then it’s okay, but to say you’re going and then decide you don’t want to spend the money later? Everything was paid for, and then when it was time to pay up he didn’t want to go anymore. You don’t do that to your brothers. The veterans who paid for it, including Incognito and others, asked for Martin’s share, and he gave it to them. End of story."

Lydon Murtha

"The silliest part of this story, to me, is the incident at the cafeteria, in which Martin was supposed to have been hazed when everyone got up from their seats as he sat down. Whoever leaked that story failed to share that getting up from a packed lunch table when one lineman sits down is a running gag that has been around for years. It happened to me more than once, and it happened to Martin because guys on the team say he was overcoming an illness. Just like when a guy is hurt, the joke is, I don’t want to sit with you, you’ve got the bug. Perhaps for Martin it was the straw that broke the camel’s back, but when Incognito reached him after he stormed out, Martin told him the departure had nothing to do with Incognito. Martin said it was something else. Then the media onslaught began."

Lydon Murtha

Honestly I think this team will be great the rest of the year THEY ARE PULLING TOGETHER the media in Miami only want to see Ireland get fired if they can find a good replacement why not maybe Mike Mayock or Carl Peterson can be options them the HC is Ireland goes Philbin will go them maybe we can bring Mike Shula as a HC

Unfortunately

Tampa Bay 20
Dolphins 17

BOTTOM LINE

Clabo is back at RT
Garner is the new LG

Tannehill may be paralyzed from the beating he takes on Monday.

Posted by: ExposingTheFraud | November 07, 2013 at 04:08 PM

I suspect we see one less WR on the field from here on out alot of max-protections, double T.E. and unbalanced OL with 6 OL (Yeatman covering up Clabo ect..) like we did Vs. the Bengals

So in that entire write up the only part the media used was the part where he questions the Dolphins coaches knowledge of the events.

Un freaking believable.

Armando???????? You guys have some explaining to do as well imo. Please answer to this.

Go Phins.......enough BS already let's talk football.......I hear Patterson is back.....am I correct?

Hey Mark in Toronto.........were you around back when the Herald had that threaded discussion site?

Phins78 tweet Mando he is always on twitter.

Well, well, well, interesting what can get painted as racism, bullying, and extortion when the mighty wheels of ESPN get their hands on things...

Silverback, Patterson was back for the media portion of practice according to Omar Kelly. Not completely sure if he was limited or full go.

Lets suspend all of the NFL. Every player on every team then because this goes on in every locker room. I think martin just did not want to play football any longer and is going out with a foolproof lawsuit. He will never play on an nfl team again. Jonathan Martin is a soft piece of swiss cheese at room temperature.

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