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Flex game PLUS Joe Philbin speaks

The Dolphins game against the San Diego Chargers Nov. 17 has been flexed by the NFL and instead of a 1 p.m. start will now begin at 4:05 p.m. That's actually something of an advantage for the west coast team whose players are more accustomed to later starting times for games.

Coach Joe Philbin, meanwhile, met with the media Friday. This is what he said:

(Opening statement) – “I thought it was a real team win last night. We talked to our players in the meetings before the game at the hotel that the real key was going to be how we played the game, not necessarily whether we played under or over or whether we ran the ball or threw the ball, but the play speed and that we would have to stick together and find a way with all three phases contributing to win the game. I thought that happened.”

(On if the coaching staff was able to get any sleep with the late night) -   “Yeah I think so. I think guys got some sleep. We came back a little bit later than normal. Yeah, when I got home I would like to get home a little earlier than that. Given the circumstances, I’ll take it.”

(On if running the football is the new blueprint for the offense or if it’s a product of matchups) - “I think we always felt like running the ball against (the Bengals) was going to be a good option. As you know, they have an excellent front-four. They have an excellent pass rush. They had an excellent blitz package. We wanted to keep the sticks in a manageable situation. So running the ball was part of that, and we had some success doing it. Usually, again, you have to adjust during the course of the game, but if something is working well typically you stick with it.”

(On Will Yeatman’s role as a third offensive tackle) – “I thought he made a nice contribution. Again, I think part of it would be how productive we were. We had some success with him in the game. We got a fair number of snaps.”

(On if the idea of a safety was even in the back of his mind before it happened) - “You are always optimistic and always thinking possible takeaway. I was thinking maybe a takeaway in disrupting the quarterback’s rhythm and timing, tip the pass or hit him while he’s throwing the ball. I can’t sit here honestly that I was thinking we were going to get a safety right then, but I’m glad we did.”

(On if there is a bullying problem in the locker room) – “Again, I’ll repeat what I said. I’m aware of this report. I can say without question that we emphasize a culture of team-first accountability and respect for one another. Any behavior that deviates from that is inconsistent from the values of our organization. That’s all I’ll say in regards to that.”

(On if he has seen anything first-hand that he would consider bullying or harassment) -  “Again, this is something we take very seriously and will not be tolerated.”

(On if the bullying problem is a matter the coaching staff is looking into) - “I think I’ve responded to those questions already.”

(On if he thinks there will be any discipline as he looks into the locker room situation) - “Again, this is something we take very seriously and will not be tolerated. I’ve responded to those questions.”

(On if he was concerned about the field condition last night) - “I walked the field before the game. It seemed very good. In warm-ups everything seemed good. A couple of their players slipped a few times, and a couple of our guys slipped. I’m not exactly sure why. It looked like it was in very good shape.”

(On how he assess where the team is right now) - “Well there’s been a lot of good things on film, and there’s been things that aren’t so good. The big thing we have to stress moving forward is more consistency and more completeness in our play for 60 minutes or 67 minutes or 68 minutes, however long it was last night. We have to find a way to plan more consistently throughout the course of the game.”

(On the play of the defensive line other than Cam Wake) - “We had good contribution from a lot of guys up front. They did a good job. Obviously the second half we had a hard time getting off the field. Some of that was them. Some of that was other guys. Some of that’s a credit to Cincinnati’s offense. They executed well. I thought overall it was good.”

(On how Tyson Clabo played) - “He did a nice job. He did a nice job, yep.”

(On if it was nice to see Tyson Clabo play after everything that had happened) - “Absolutely, yes.”

(On if the leadership council will talk about Jonathan Martin) - “Again, any of those discussions that would take place with the leadership council would be between myself and them.”

(On if a win fixes or puts a band-aid on a locker room issue) - “I think we talked last Monday when we got together as a team, we talked about a family atmosphere. You are part of a family when you are on a team. You mentioned it. There’s 61 players, 20 coaches, and you have to have each other’s back. The theme for the week was we have to stick together and play like a team. The scheme wasn’t the important thing we wanted to emphasize last night. We wanted to emphasize playing like a team, sticking together and having everybody’s backs. I think the film bore that out. That’s what happened.”

(On if everything he had to deal with in the past week was the toughest test for him as a coach) - “Again, it’s not a comparison. You deal with reality as it is. I don’t necessarily compare this week to last week or this year to last year. You deal with the situations that pop-up one day at a time. At the end of the day, the way my brain works you think about why you are in coaching and the privilege and responsibility you have to represent the Miami Dolphins and to coach this football team. It’s an honor to do it, and you deal with things as they come.”

(On if there is a relief for the team after the victory) - “Not necessarily. Again, it’s one day at a time. It’s one game at a time. You keep things in perspective. You remember why you are in coaching, why you are doing these things. You go to work every single day. The idea of getting this team better and playing up to their potential, that’s what your job is as a coach. Sometimes stuff happens. Stuff happens in a family. Some of it is not always great, and you have to deal with it. That’s what we do.”

(On if he is satisfied with the chemistry on the team) - “I told (the team) again in our team meeting on Monday, the thing is I’ve never been on a team or a part of a team where there wasn’t respect among the players amongst themselves in the locker room, the staff amongst themselves, the players respecting the coaches and the coaches respecting the players. If you don’t have that in this league, in Pop Warner, in high school or college, you don’t have a chance. You have no chance. I believe strongly in the men we have in the locker room. I believe strongly in the staff. I don’t think you get a performance we had last night. It’s not perfect. There’s a lot of stuff to work on, a ton of it. However, I think the character of the football team was revealed.”

(On Lamar Miller’s performance) - “He’s been very productive as of late. He’s a guy who’s got very good ability, good vision and he’s starting to make more people miss. Early in the season I think he was kind of getting what was there. Now you are seeing some things where he is breaking some tackles. He’s kind of showing that illusiveness you kind of want to see out of a running back. Yeah, aside from carrying the ball a little too loose down there I think he’s doing some very good things.”

(On what the team’s wide receiver trio contributed in last night’s game)  – “I thought those guys made a nice contribution. Let’s call it what it is, it wasn’t the biggest day we’ve ever had throwing the football from a yardage standpoint, yards-per-catch, all of that stuff. But I thought they contributed to the game-plan well."

(On if the sack for the safety was an impactful play for the season)  – “It was a big play. We talked to the guys about if you analyze the season (and) look at the three wins early. We made plays in the fourth quarter. We made plays that decided the outcome of the games. If you look at the next stretch we went through, we made some but we didn’t make enough. Again, we had to come back. We had to put together a drive to force the game into overtime, which showed a lot about our offense. We kicked the ball and punted the ball back down there deep. Then our defense came up huge. It was a big play.”

(On what Caleb Sturgis showed rebounding from the missed field goal in the first half)  – “Just like we talked about with the rest of the team, (Caleb Sturgis) showed some resiliency. He showed the character of the individual that he is. I just watched again this morning on tape. (It had) all the qualities of a good kick, good fundamentals, the plant, the timing, the operation were all there. It was a big kick.”

(On if Bengals’ running back Giovani Benard’s 35-yard touchdown run was a great play from the runner or fundamental issues from the defense)  – “Yes and yes. Again, I don’t want to oversimplify the game of football. You can overanalyze schemes. I think Cincinnati has an excellent coaching staff, but if you just analyze the play call you would say, ‘Is that a great play call or is that a great individual effort?’ It certainly wasn’t a bad play call, but that was a tremendous individual effort by a football player making a play. That’s really what football is all about. Can we tackle better on that play? Absolutely, 100 percent. We have to tackle better. However that’s really what the game of football in the NFL is all about. It’s about guys stepping up and making plays. We have an obligation to put them in a position to make plays. But there’s no magic plays out there. Teams are well-coached on both sides of the ball. Teams have good players on both sides of the ball. That was a heck of a run. It was a heck of a run.”

 

(On having Cam Wake healthy and if he was limited in previous games because of his injury)  – “He was healthy and ready to go in those games. You want to have a gradual return for a player. Certainly you can feel his presence a little more. You can’t deny that. You can feel his presence.”

 

(On Dimitri Patterson’s strong performance this season) – “He’s been very instinctual. The thing I think is he’s put himself into position in terms of reading the routes based on what coverage he’s in. He’s very good at the top of the route. He transitions very well. He can plant and break on a ball. You’ve seen some of that on some of those interceptions. He’s certainly made a difference when he’s out there.”

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What a mess! Again. We can't seem to get out of one difficult situation before falling into a worse one. And this has been going on since Shula was let go. No, no curse. Just not serious, honest People in charge.

So he leaves for 3 weeks, comes back out of shape. Then what?

finsunited | November 01, 2013 at 08:25 PM

Incognito will take some sort of suspension with sensitivity classes mandated (don't laugh) while we go through the motions of letting the Yr. play out at which time Ireland drafts the best Tackle or Guard available signing another in FA. I'm simply spit balling but sounds plausibly like a viable out for the team which at the end of the day will look to distance from this.

Maybe a law suit is what it takes to make this Organization respectable again. Also, it has not escaped Us the animosity of many years of the NFL towards this Miami Football Franchise.

Last nights win was great and should not be underestimated. May very well turn around things
As far as Jmart, bullying is not really the issue here. I think it is the realization that succeeding in the nfl is harder than college. Jmart may be suffering from the fact he is a bellow average player and has never experienced failure before. In college he was smart and good enough to be selected in the 2nd round of the draft. Things aalways came easyto him and now he is lost and confused. The pranks just pushed him over but are probably not the root cause. He comes from an elitist family, 3 generations Harvard grad, and can not figure why he is having trouble in the nfl. For the first time he has to work like an underdog a position he is not familiar with. Hope he continues to try and overcomes this as i think the talent is there.

F4L and everyone else,

I understand that none of us as self respecting men will allow our selves to get bullied. Like I said and some others have said, Even if you lose the fight the point is to stand up for yourselves. That is how you deal with a Bully. Stupid people only understand fist.

But as Someone who has dealt with teammates being bullied. I understand when someone is soft. That is why I bring up Jake Long. Jake would've stood up for his teammate. Even if he would've laughed with incognito later and tell him he is wrong for that. A leader doesn't let one of his troops feel less than they should. They stand up for the weak.

Real Leader make everyone feel accepted. They know this is a team game and you need everyone playing hard to succeed.

Don't get me wrong. At first I was the same kind of player who will join in and break the weakest link on the team. But as I got older and realized. Everyone isn't blessed with the same ability I changed my frame of mind. Weak players need more support than good players. Everyone isn't the same.

People have feelings and you should respect them.

And by showing weak players that you actually care about them you get them to work harder for you. Same goes with anything. Even in the workplace.

THIS IS HOW YOU BUILD LOYALTY.

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And Yes!! Dashi blames the Parents!

I don't care if your parents are Rhodes Scholars. They didn't teach him any self respect. You can be book smart and have self respect. Martin has shown that he is mentally weak. He has no Self-respect.

Cowards raising Cowards. That is the problem.

Yes, John Gallup. Might be so.

Also, it has not escaped Us that the Win last night didn't go down well with many in SoFla.

Also, You can be a Genius and still have Testicular Fortitude.

A Coward is a Coward. And Cowards are raised not born.

Parents sissifying kids is what makes them cowards.

I know plenty of smart people who are tough.

And being Gay doesn't mean you are a coward either.

I've seen plenty of Smart Gay people who have Self Respect and stand up for themselves.

You can take a D'ck you can take a Joke.

Incognito will take some sort of suspension

Posted by: fin4life | November 01, 2013 at 08:32 PM

FIN4LIFE why are you guys saying this? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe there has ever been a suspension in the NFL because one player was picking on another player.

Where's the precedent?

Are there NFL rules which prohibit pranks?

Are their rules against being picked on?

Are their rules against bullying?

I believe NO is the answer to all of these questions. I don't see any way in hell they have grounds for suspending anyone for this. They have to make a rule first, then suspensions can come if it happens again.But if they try to suspend anyone the players union will have a field day.

He's not getting suspended. Even if they investigate, what teammate of Richie's is going to rat him out and stand up for someone who quit on them?

Now, Playing Soccer and driving small Japanese cars don't help in making you a Man.

Those are 2 things that hinder a Real Americans Self-Esteem.

This whole thing has been completely blown out of proportion by the mighty mainstream media machine as usual. This story is a joke. Boo frickity hoo a grown man was picked on. Oh the horror. Call Doctor Phil, lets all wear "team Martin" t-shirts to show our support. The players and coaches should be kicked out of the nfl for allowing this to happen.

LMFAO

Joe Philbin may be charged with "failure to supervise".

P78,

Yeah, this has never happened before but this is a new NFL. A Softer NFL.

I don't know about suspending Incognito. But they will probably ask him to see an Anger Management. And Not Charlie Sheen.

Again, 5-10 Years ago Martin wouldn't be seen as a Victim. But Now they treat him like a Victim.

Me personally, I think Martin is acting like a Teenage Girl. A Shy, Ugly Teenage Girl.

But I understand what he is going thru and know that he will be treated like a rape victim.

I don't want this guy anywhere near our offensive line and I don't imagine any coach in the league will want him playing for them.

You are playing a position that takes grit and toughness and you can't handle being picked on?

This whole "story" is f$#@ing ridiculous. This happens in the 80's or 90's or ANYTIME before that people would be laughing at this guy and he would be immediately kicked off the team and shunned by the rest of the nfl. But our society , particularly men in our society have turned into young women and now the rest of us are supposed to follow their lead I guess. No thank you, man up.

Lack of Institutional Control.

And No, Philbin or Sherman won't be charged with that. They already released a statement clearing themselves of any wrong doing.

This is between player A and player CC.

Again, 5-10 Years ago Martin wouldn't be seen as a Victim. But Now they treat him like a Victim.

Dashi

Funny Dashi, look at my last post. I believe we are on the same exact page with this one. Can you imagine this story coming out when Zach and Jason were here or anytime in the 80's? What in the hell has happened to this countries toughness?

Heat Tied with Brooklyn in the half 47-47.

Can't wait til Sunday. I believe with peoples short attention span that after Sunday people won't even bring up the J.Martin thing.

And as a Dolphins' fan I have come to terms that the Media hates Miami. Everything gets blown out of proportion.

P78,

Agreed. I read your post @9:17 and I said almost the exact same thing. We are on the same page.

Maybe you guys thought I was siding with Martin yesterday. I don't. I was just trying to give an explanation for why this happened.

Football players are suppose to be modern day gladiators. And I have never heard of a Gladiator being a punk.

See everyone tomorrow. Great back and forth today.

Posted by: Dashi | November 01, 2013 at 08:57 PM

Very deep Dashi and on point. That is the importance of a having character guys in the locker room. As you said, this probably does not happen if Jake Long is here. Another reason we should have kept big Jake.

Of course who would have thought that Martin was so soft and that they would be facing this problem. As fin4life and I were saying his career is probably over as he has other options and will never be accepted in a locker room again. The sad thing is we are back to the drawing board looking for another OT.

P78 / Dashi,

Agree with both of you and was the point I was making in the earlier post I put up on the last page about Political Correctness now running afoul in this Country. There is no extreme that works or can be productive only counter. I was in a situation just last Yr. were I threatened to put someones head through a wall at a family party were a wife ended up calling 911 and when they came they asked him if he wanted to press assault charges over an argument. It was a cousins Husband and he said no but I asked the Cop what do you mean assault (I was drunk and can be a mean one) he told me that it's the law and if I didn't shut up he would arrest me for disorderly?

Don't know how old you guys are but in my day Metro showed up over that and would ask everybody to calm down turn the music down and maybe ask someone to leave but assault? Slowly but surely I've noticed that ever since Supreme Court Justice Nominee Clarence Thomas was found guilty back in the late 80's of assaulting Anita Hill for being Sexually graphic with his talk we as a Nation hit a slippery slop with what you can say or do that may offend or hurt feelings. It's a movement that if you've paid attention has grown and grown to the point that now we may see a grown man bigger than his supposed bully sue him for mental duress! I just am sick of how in every walk and aspect of our lives were being scrutinized with whether were insensitive or not, IMO Political Correctness run amok and I for one am so sick of it! To suit a bunch of no heart liberal wusses! NOT THE COUNTRY I GREW UP IN ANYMORE!

P78 / Dashi

A Re-Post of my original post on this so that you guys understand were all on the same page regarding "HONEY SUCKLE"

The Info. Mort drops on NFL INSIDERS is taking a very unprecedented turn in the J.Martin situation. As Sam already posted the Players Association (NFLPA) is looking into the Dolphins for the behavior Cogs has exhibited against Martin but the investigation won't just focus Cogs but the Coaching Staff as well.

The assertion is this has gone on apparently for over a Yr. and in team meetings meaning the Coaches new about it yet didn't step in also that Incognito who was voted a member of the Team Leadership Council and OK'ed by the Coach who must have known what was going on with apparent hazing of Martin that crossed a line.

The most incredible thing is that Martin's Harvard Lawyer Parents have already discussed Legal action Vs. the team and Incognito personally if a satisfactory outcome didn't materialize from the NFLPA & League Office judgement.

A couple of things I believe that Martin being a 6'6"/315 Pd. man could have maybe addressed it himself with Cogs before it reached a point that his family believes he needs Hospitalization and treatment for his psychological trauma.

The other is that Martin (who I will now refer to as "HONEY SUCKLE") will NEVER find an NFL Locker Room that will take him in again with this interjection from his Family. I wish HONEY SUCKLE the best in his life but he's an emotional marsh mellow. He had the God given ability to get his butt in the door but his actions reek to me of MAN-CHILD who needs Mommy and Daddy to step into the work place and set a Co-Worker straight for some taunts. I know some of you disagree but I was raised different and would have given his abilities taken a much different approach!

fin4life | November 01, 2013 at 03:42 PM

fin4life,


shorten up your posts if you want people to read them. The bloggers here wont read those long disertations.

fin4life,


shorten up your posts if you want people to read them. The bloggers here wont read those long disertations.

FYI | November 01, 2013 at 09:55 PM

I clearly put them up for specific people so FYI just skip over it!

"Both his parents went to Harvard. No wonder he is soft"

Brilliant and insightful comment. And where did your parents go to school?

I think the point everyone seems to be conveniently overlooking is that Martin just lost his starting Left Tackle job.

When asked about transitioning to the Left Side this off season, he said he **ALWAYS** wanted to be a Left Tackle. He **ALWAYS** thought he could be a Left Tackle.

So poor little Martin managed to put up with Cogs and crew all this time. But Oops, Bryant McKinnie comes in and takes his job, now SUDDENLY, he just can't take all the bullying.........?

Excuse my language: But Kiss My Ass you Fvcking P o o s y!

This is **NOTHING MORE** than Jonathon Martin having himself a wittle Ole Hissy Fit because we found somebody better to play the position.

And as usual, it's the old anti-Miami bias with certain members of the press trying to blow it up into something it's not.

Martin could handle the pranks, he even participated in being one of the pranksters. But Low and behold, McKinnie comes in and takes his job away and HIMS having his period!

This is such a non story it's pathetic. Martin should be cut IMMEDIATELY on principle alone. He let his WHOLE TEAM DOWN because he wasn't getting the job done and we had to go out and find somebody that could!

Cut bait with this mental midget before he does more damage than he already has.

I think it's a sad state when I read comments blaming Martin, accusing Martin when none of the facts are clear.

The old stereotypes rise... "he's soft," "he's gay," etc., etc.

If he has a mental illness... it's just that... an illness due to brain chemistry...

It's an illness like diabetes, cancer or heart disease.

It looks like the coaches ignored the bullying before this incident.

I don't know how many of you agree........

Martin was handed the starting Right Tackle job as a rookie. Not a peep out of him about being bullied.

Martin was handed the starting Left Tackle job in his 2nd season. Not a peep out of him about being bullied.

On the contrary, Martin was one of the Pranksters Himself. If he was SERIOUSLY suffering at the hands of Bullies in the Locker Room, do you REALLY think he would be taking part as an instigator?

We bring in Bryant McKinnie and Martin loses his starting Right Tackle Job.

ONLY THEN does this So-Called, alleged Bullying become too much for him..........?

Yeah, I don't know about anybody else, but I can see right through this bull crap. Martin had the silver spoon ripped right out of his mouth by Bryant McKinnie and he can't take it. That's the REAL Problem with this Big, soft Jelly Roll.

**TO THE POINT THAT HE LET THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION DOWN WITH OUR SEASON HANGING IN THE BALANCE**

He and his Parents are going to sue US.......?

Yeah, RIGHT and Monkeys are going to fly out of my butt! Martin should be the one getting sued for breach of contract! That's a fact.

This Big Softie might be fooling some of you guys, but he's not fooling me or Bryant McKinnie. Cut Bait Jeffy, you screwed the pooch with this Whack Job! Waive the PUNK, RIGHT NOW-Puh-Leaze!!!!

PS: I'd like to see Jake Long or Bryant McKinnie respond to the question: Have you ever been "Bullied" by any of your NFL Teammates..........?

Then sit back and see if they lose consciousness from laughing so hard-ROTFLMAO!!!!

"It looks like the coaches ignored the bullying before this incident."

Agreed. And how has such superior leadership... understanding of the locker room, support, motivation, etc. worked out for them?

The coaches were too busy devising those empty backfield 5 WR pass plays or the second and two passes inside the opponent's 20 to see what's going on under their noses.

Football is no different than the businesses you and I work in... it starts with leadership or the lack there of...

Odin is correct. Martin waa mad because his job was taken by a dude off the St.
Then the team prank was too much for him to take.
His parents are rich. He don't need a NFL pay check.

Posted by: Arnsybill | November 01, 2013 at 10:12 PM
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I don't have a clue as to Jonathon Martin's sanity or mental health.

But I think I have enough of **THE KNOWN** facts @ 10:31

I believe it's pretty cut and dried. Martin was just fine, with NO complaints. Even getting in on the Pranks himself.

Right up until we signed Bryant McKinnie!

There will be **NO** further questions your Honor!

I rest my case!

(I would usually write "LOL" after a post like this, but it isn't funny. This Jelly Roll let down the entire team with his selfish antics. I can't help but wonder, how many of us would be fired for less....?)

It wasn't pretty...it wasn't easy...but it was a much needed win. And so we go on from here....Miller will be the favored RB.....the O will run the ball more, limiting Tanny's liabilities, as he continues to gain experience....Patterson and Grimes are a strong CB combo, and so pressure on the ball will continue...
....the kickoffs were like 90% of the time deep into the end zone, limiting runbacks...the D was allowed to pressure Dalton when we needed it, resulting in the safety, and the 2 points for the win...we are looking a little better...I'm encouraged by the tenacity at the end of the game...showed some team character developing...GREAT !!!

GO FINS!! BEAT THE BUCS!!!!! 5-4 and a 2 game winning streak !!!! GOOOOOO!!!!!

Football is no different than the businesses you and I work in... it starts with leadership or the lack there of...

Posted by: Arnsybill | November 01, 2013 at 10:35 PM
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I agree and Martin definitely wasn't a leader.

Like you said, Martin wouldn't be bullying or stealing a teammates car if he was a leader.

So now you're going to find fault with the coaching staff..........?

ROTFLMAO, talk about Cherry Picking. When Martin pranks people, it's OK, but when he gets pranked, it's bullying, the coaching staff shouldn't have been working on certain pass plays, lack of leadership, blah, blah, blah.......

Yeah, O-Kee DOKEY, Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuud..........

Go Heat!!!

odinseye | November 01, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Really two different arguments on the subject.

Yesterday I posted this very thing about this coinciding with the McKinnie arrival being the biggest mitigating factor.

Today it was made public that his parents have apparently taken point on the matter and have filed a grievance that the NFLPA and League Office is investigating given they had to hospitalize him for the psychological trauma he's received over a 1 and 1/2 Yr. period at the hands of chiefly Cogs but the team and Coaches for letting it go.

This HISSY FIT of Honey Suckles takes a very different turn under those circumstances given Cris Mortenson reported that if there wasn't some sort of satisfactory solution given to the matter his Harvard Lawyer parents will take legal action against the Org.

And all that said which of course is a different topic than the one you post (which you know from yesterday I agree with) what's your take on this action and hasn't he painted himself the ultimate NFL outsider in these circumstances for one and how foolish isn't the whole thing on it's face when you actually sit and take into account there was zero physical attack involved but yet seems to be opening the door for more restriction on a game grown men play.

Fin4,

The litigation threatened by his Parents is ridiculous. That's on top of the general ridiculousness of which you've pointed out.

I think we're both pretty close on our take on this one.

The threatened litigation won't happen. It opens too big of a can of worms and that won't be allowed to happen. If they can claim psychological damages from his own teammates, where will it go and more importantly, where will it end. What about taunting down in the trenches? What about mean things yelled from fans? Who would determine what's detrimental and what is not?

The floodgates are just too big for a wishy washy subject as petty as these particular types of things.

The Owners and Coaching Staffs will posture up and say all the politically correct things publicly(as they privately laugh Martin out of the league). The League offices and the NFLPA's will follow suit, everything politically correct......PUBLICLY.

But Martin's time is up. Barring some weird miracle conceived by the Dolphin's SPECIFICALLY, Martin has ruined his NFL Career and made a Pariah of himself.

At the very most, he'll receive a settlement. Probably a negotiated, packaged deal from Ross and the League Office. I imagine they will pay a bunch of "Lip Service" as well and maybe add a bylaw or two that will be buried somewhere deep under ridiculous in the respective section of the CBA.

The NFL and/or NFL Teams just don't lose these types of cases and they do not get pushed around regardless of the litigants credentials. The NFL has a LEAGUE full of attorneys and they would get a dismissal on the timing of Martins demotion alone.

I'm guessing that Martin has played his last game as a member of the NFL. I'm also guessing that he'll get paid a pretty decent amount to just go away and quit embarrassing the league and himself.

PS: I was hoping you would see my last post. I was ALSO interested in your

..I have to disagree with many of the opinions expressed here today. First, shouldn't we hear the facts before spouting off? None of us know what happened, or what Martin may be dealing with.

Lets say just for the sake of debate that this is in fact an issue of a joke gone to far. How would this be Martins fault? Because he didn't stand up for himself? How do we know he didn't? And even if he did not. Where were the leaders on this team. Attitude reflects leadership in any team, or work environment. This is a sad sad commentary on the lack of said leadership on this team. It is made worse if the team knew it was going on but stood idle and let it happen.

I will choose to hear the truth before assuming Martin is a softie. Or that Incognito is a bully, Or that nobody did a ting to stop whatever may have been happening. But if the story is that Martin was bullied by his teammates..It is a sad day to be a Dolphin. Pathetic really.

..Odin..We do not know the whole story..Think about it. Do you honestly believe that Martin's family would be thinking about litigation if this was just about some words? Do you know that Martin may have been a part of a prank just because perhaps that was the only way he felt he could fit in, but internally he may have had issue? We all want to fit in right?

I would be shocked if this story is the cool kids making fun of the akward kid. It has to run deeper then this. Where was the line crossed, and why was it not acknowledged?

Now it could be something as simple as name calling. But come on..I'm not buying it. IMO there are some layers to this story that we don't know about. We may never..Blaming Jon Martin..Why?

Well. I think its safe to say Philbin and Incognito deserve blame.

odin,

Agreed at 10:46 and would like to add this question regarding your 10:53

@ArmandoSalguero
This year, Olinemen took another teammates car keys and hid the car. And Jonathan Martin was part of group perpetrating the prank.

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If were going to stick to Political Correctness then why didn't [said] teammate call the police and have them all charged with a Grand Theft or when the car showed up at least Criminal mischief?

...Anyone believe in Karma? Is it a coincidence that Incognito injured his neck yesterday?

..Last thing..Could it be at all possible that Martin just blew up? That the jokes got to him and he lost it? There are a ton of different explanations as to what happened. This whole thing may have nothing to do with bullying, or a player being soft. Or a lawsuit, or trying to defund Obama care by shutting down the Gov. It may be one guy(Martin) who snapped.. If so. It doesn't mean the end, it doesn't mean Philbin is the devil for ignoring it(nothing to see here..keep walking)...It all comes down to hearing the whole story.

Darryl,

Waiting to pass judgement until the facts are in is always a good rule of thumb.

But this is a public forum and some big mouths(yours truly-lol)can't help themselves.

On a serious note, I think most of what I've posted on the matter is based on facts(or reports-whatever you want to call them).

I don't know that Martin is soft. But judging by his combine results and his play at left tackle, I think certain conclusions can be safely drawn(This was meant to be a joke, but I guess this stuff just isn't funny. It rings kind of hollow).

If he has some psychological issues, that would be bad. But they also should have been reported, BY HIM, to the team, in good faith, when he was being offered a large contract.

The main problems I have with all of this, I think can be attributed to facts.

1. Martin hadn't reported anything, BEFORE being replaced by McKinnie.

2. Martin was known to be one of the "Pranksters" on at least two previous occasions. Which again, I can't see him really suffering from being prank-ed, while he was actually perpetrating pranks himself. In other words, to me, it seems like a clear cut case of everything being all in good fun, until we signed McKinnie and he was demoted.

3. He voluntarily left the team at one of the most crucial moments we've had in quite some time. Knowing full well that we were counting on him to be the starter at Right Tackle. As daunting as the alleged circumstances **MIGHT** have been and under the facts mentioned above, I just can't accept this as being anything but selfish and self serving.

Now I know all kinds of things can come out tomorrow and they could prove me wrong on every point. But I'm not just blabbing away to blab. I feel that I've put a lot of thought into my opinions and I feel I've based them on the facts that are already available.

Darryl,

(And Marino 13)

Were you aware that Martin has texyed Cogs and said that he doesn't "Blame you guys" at all........?

That would lend credence to my(and Fin4)theory that Martin finally blew up because of the signing of McKinnie and his demotion.

Of course Darrryl, I'm just speculating.

Darryl,

No we don't know all the facts but do you honestly feel this very uptight (Tom Coughlin circa 05) Coach and Staff would allow something serious enough to taint themselves and the Org. given all that went down in just the last 2 Yrs. with the Saints? You really see Philbin as that type (Sean Peyton type pair) cause I don't!

You make it seems as if maybe there is some nefarious act that will leak with him hospitalized that will somehow turn (apparently at least Incognito) into some intellectual evil genius (worth a laugh on itself) who was systematically destroying Honey Suckle to the point he broke him an psychologically caused such a breakdown that he required immediate psychiatric Assistance?

You've always struck me as a bit of an intellectual yourself, you don't see this as preposterous? Did you know that after he graduated Stanford he got himself into Harvard Graduate school as well (probably on his parents backs as well) I see in all honesty a Scholar/Athlete who excelled at every turn and couldn't hack it in the NFL finally blowing a gas-get when he saw himself getting replaced while going his whole life from H.N.O.C. to the butt of some jokes.

If it were something bigger I believe the authorities and Courts would already be involved, sorry but not buying on this one and again, NOT IN HONEY SUCKLES CORNER!

...Anyone believe in Karma? Is it a coincidence that Incognito injured his neck yesterday?

Posted by: Darryl Dunphy | November 02, 2013 at 12:12 AM
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I believe in Karma and no, I don't think it was a coincidence.

I think it happened because his play has been slipping and Garner has earned some playing time.

(Shucks-LOL, just no respect for Martin at all.....((just kidding Darryl ;)

..Odin..To your point..I don't know if you read my last post..I think my posts came across like I had already made up my mind as to what happened. Not the case. I think it could easily be that for whatever reason..Martin simply lost it for a minute.

The other scenarios I offered. I did so because to me. A lawsuit..A fractured individual..It seems like it would take more then just name calling one day to cause such a stir..I think if there is any validity to the idea there was some sort of bullying going on..That there is much more we haven't heard yet..If indeed this is what happened.

BTW..I didn't mean to single anyone out..I read all the posts on this thread and wanted to respond..

By the way Darryl on a different note on the day you least expect it I will drop in at Sammy's and after we meet hope to be treated to a Bisteca!

Thought I forgot?

This weeping willow of a player is not mentally ill! By the medias standards this guy would have already exposed his semi auto and would have let Ingognito feel his pain. Martin is one of those guys that's gotten everything his way throughout his life. Now that he was forced to change positions his feelings are hurt and his parents are doing what they have done since he was born. I'm sure the mental illness thing was brought in as a safety net after he threw his tossed salad and scrambled eggs in the lunch room and went AWAL. If this guy had a mental illness it would have been exposed long before he was drafted. Hell if Ireland knew Dez Bryant's mom sold skin to make a buck,he would have caught on that Martin was not Martin and was really Ray Finkle ingognito.

BTW..I didn't mean to single anyone out..I read all the posts on this thread and wanted to respond..

Darryl Dunphy | November 02, 2013 at 12:33 AM

I don't believe it happened over the course of one day either given there's video evidence that Cogs had a thing for calling him names going back to the day they met. I do however believe the tipping point was when he was replaced. After dropping his trey apparently Honey Suckles last words were "I hate all you guys" which apparently is when the Lunch room burst into laughter.

BTW..I didn't mean to single anyone out..I read all the posts on this thread and wanted to respond..

Posted by: Darryl Dunphy | November 02, 2013 at 12:33 AM
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That's fine by me Darryl. I agree with Fin4 when he said that you seem like an intellectual yourself(I mean that as a compliment).

And mainly, it's always a Pleasure to talk Dolphin's Football with you. Regardless of which side of any given circumstances we may be.
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Same goes for you Fin4, but I'm assuming you knew that-LOL!

Karry | November 02, 2013 at 12:41 AM

Well said my sentiments exactly @12:27

That's fine by me Darryl. I agree with Fin4 when he said that you seem like an intellectual yourself(I mean that as a compliment).

And mainly, it's always a Pleasure to talk Dolphin's Football with you. Regardless of which side of any given circumstances we may be.
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Same goes for you Fin4, but I'm assuming you knew that-LOL!

odinseye | November 02, 2013 at 12:44 AM

It was definitly meant as a compliment from me when posted at Darryl and ditto at you to odin, enjoy the late night pow wows with both of you. Miss the days when Rob was on here with us in our back-n-forths!

By the way odin did you catch on the replay of the Grimes Pick-6 that when Dalton went to throw Odrick got up in the air and seemed to alter the throwing angle going unnoticed?

By the way Darryl on a different note on the day you least expect it I will drop in at Sammy's and after we meet hope to be treated to a Bisteca!

fin4life | November 02, 2013 at 12:38 AM

You understand I meant this as a joke? Just remembered you describing the way you prepared and served it up.

Matter of fact, I just watched it. I remember you mentioning it, so I watched again.

I think you're right. I think it's a micrcosim of the game itself. A team effort and a team win.

Odrick causes the (bad)adjustment by Dalton, allowing Grimes to be the hero. Even if he did have to drag a truck down the field to do it-LOL!
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Did you happen to notice that of our next 5 games the two that will probably be the toughest are at home? The Chargers and Panthers back to back?

Aside from them we have Tampa, Jets, then Steelers. It would take all the breaks, some luck and a whole bunch of good balling. I can see us getting 4 of the next 5 to get us to 8-5. At that point, anything can happen.

What do you think? Am I being too optimistic?

We do have what amounts to almost another bye week here. A good chance to get everyone healthy.

I'm sorry, but I don't get it. How can a 300+ pound NFL Lineman not stand up for himself? The golden rule works, but sommetimes, so does a good punch in the mouth! Martin should have smacked Incognito a long time ago! I am sure Philbin would much rather have to deal with two guys fighting all the time vs. this stuff! I don't know how Martin returns to this team, much less, plays for this team? Opposing DL Linemen will harass this guy no end. What's he gonna do file a legal grievience everytime he gets beat at the line? The best solution that I see is for the team and Incognito to make a public formal appology and Martin to retire and pursue something else. The team needs to move on and possibly bring someone else in for the long-term. Martin needed to just stand up for himself. He has been average at best, and no wonder why, the guy is soft and does not have the heart to be an NFL OT! He lacks the killer instinct and agressiveness. If he returns, his job will only be all the more harder! Being cruel to someone is never justified, but if you don't like the way someone is treating you, then do or say something to them! Simple as that! I hope all can learn from this and then move on.

i wonder what bill bellichek would have done?

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