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Joe Philbin press conference (tape review)

Joe Philbin and his coaching staff study the tape of every game the Dolphins play after the fact and meet with the team to make corrections. Well, on Monday, the Dolphins coach was in front of his biggest forum -- a group of about 75 media representing more attention-grabbing power than I've ever seen at a club presser -- and he put on his best face to address perhaps the ugliest set of facts ever faced by the franchise.

Philbin had to discuss the Jonathan Martin-Richie Incognito mess. And below you will find what he said. And below the coach's comments, I will give you my thoughts on what was said as I see fit.

Think of it as going back to the film and correcting the mistakes or issues.

(Opening statement) – “I thought I would start out the press conference by giving you a little of a background on some of the events that have occurred during the last week. Last Monday evening in preparation prior to our preparation for practice against the Cincinnati Bengals, Jonathan Martin left our facility prior to that practice after an incident occurred in our team dining room. Later that evening, he contacted a member of our organization. Soon thereafter I contacted Jonathan personally, requested a meeting with him, at which he readily accepted. I met with him later that evening. We had a good discussion. Throughout the course of the week, I was in contact on multiple occasions with him and members of his family. I spoke to him the day after the game, and I spoke to members of his family over the course of the weekend. As the weekend unfolded, early on Sunday, as you well know, as an organization we released a statement that was 100 percent factual. Soon thereafter, we were contacted by representatives of Jonathan, and before I say that I should let you know that in all my discussions with Jonathan and members of his family, at no time were there any accusations or allegations of misconduct by any members of this team or organization. Later on Sunday, we were contacted by one of his representatives where they in fact had some concerns over player conduct that had occurred. We immediately took those concerns very, very seriously.

Our owner, Steve Ross who has been involved throughout the entire process, contacted the commissioner, Roger Goodell, and requested that the NFL become involved and conduct a review of the work place. We issued a second statement noting we had received information that we were taking very seriously and that we were gathering information on. Throughout the course of the day, we gathered more and more information. At the end of the day, I decided to suspend Richie Incognito based on the information I had at that time. The NFL is going to conduct a review of the work place. It’s going to be comprehensive. It’s going to be objective, and we are going to give as an organization our full and complete co-operation with the NFL. That’s really where things are as of today.

I want you to know as the head coach of the Miami Dolphins I am in charge of the work place atmosphere. Since April 10, 2012 when the players first came here and I was the head coach, every decision I’ve made and everything we’ve done to the facility has been done with one thing in mind, and that is to help our players and our organization reach their full potential. Any type of conduct, behavior that detracts from that behavior is not acceptable and is not tolerated.

Two of my children go to school here right behind here at the University School. As a parent, when they walk through those doors I have certain expectations that the administration, the teachers and the staff are going to create a safe atmosphere where my children can learn and develop as people. This is no different. I take this responsibility very seriously that these players when they walk in this door they feel like they have the best medical care, the best strength and conditioning care, the best coaching, the best fields to practice on, the best technology and the best classrooms to learn in. That’s very important to me. I will tell you if the review shows that this is not a safe atmosphere, I will take whatever measures are necessary to ensure that it is. I have that obligation to the players that I coach on a daily basis, and I will do that. Any questions on that?"

Salguero: I find it strange that in this account Martin met with Philbin the same day he supposedly went AWOL. And yet with the troubling issues that caused him to flee the Dolphins still so fresh, the player could not bring himself to tell Philbin what was troubling him. If that is the case, what the heck did the coach and the player talk about? Zone blocking schemes? I mean, your player leaves the team. You bring him back for a meeting. Question No. 2, after how are you feeling, is why did you leave? Did Philbin ask? Did Martin answer in a fashion that the coach was still unaware about why his player left after that meeting ended?

Also, Philbin and the Dolphins talked to Martin's representation and his family. And still the club didn't know what was troubling Martin on Thursday? How about on Friday when Philbin was asked about reports of misconduct and bullying in the locker room?

How is it the media seemed to know and was reporting on what was troubling Jonathan Martin before Joe Philbin and the Dolphins knew? And how is it that after seeing those reports and talking to the Martin camp some more, the Dolphins still believed the reports to be "speculation" until late Sunday afternoon?

I mean, where are the people and communication skills?

(On if he has talked to Richie Incognito and if he is satisfied with his apology) -  “I’ve been in contact with Richie. Any conversation that I have with any football player on this team are personal and confidential in nature."

Salguero: Bad answer. Sure, it gets Philbin out of having to explain the talk and thus gives him all sorts of plausible deniability about what was said. But ... I'm sure Dolphins fans might have felt better about their coach's leadership ability if he'd said that he explained to Incognito that evidence against him was strong and that he had no tolerance for the stuff the evidence (ie texts and a voicemail message) shows Incognito to have said and written.

(On if he had an inkling that anything like this was going on in the locker room before last Monday) - “That falls under what the NFL review is here for."

Salguero: So earlier in this very presser Philbin says Martin told him nothing specific of the issue and now he's refusing to answer the question? Raises suspicion.

(On if he personally had any idea incidents were going on) – “Again, I want to make clear this. My focus right now is on the men in the locker room, preparing our football team to play the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I will give my full and complete and total corporation with the NFL. When that takes place, the timeline on that I don’t have the specifics of. I will tell you I will be in full and complete co-operation with them. I will answer everything honestly to the best of my knowledge. But what I would like to make sure what everybody understands is that there are not going to be comments during the course of this investigation until we get all of the information and we come together on that information."

Salguero: Philbin is basically saying "I'll tell the NFL what I know. You, the media, not so much." What he needs to start realizing is something Jimmy Johnson and Don Shula knew almost instinctively: When you are speaking at a press conference, you're not really talking to reporters. You are talking to your players. You are talking to your opponents. You are talking to your organization. Most importantly, you are talking to your fans. When he blows off questions, he's blowing off opportunities. And he's blowing off fans.

(On how he missed incidents of what could be deemed hazing or bullying from Richie Incognito on national television last year) - “What was that?"

(On Richie Incognito’s incidents on television last year where he hacked into Facebook accounts and talking about someone’s girlfriend) – “I never saw it."

(On if he never saw the incidents with Richie Incognito on Hard Knocks) -  “I never saw it. What was it on TV, on Hard Knocks? I never saw the show, not once. I was working at the time.”

Salguero: The coach has said numerous times he didn't think Hard Knocks helped the Dolphins or hurt the Dolphins at all last year. Except he apparently formed that opinion without even knowing what was on the show? Hurts his credibility.

(On if incidents staying inside the locker room are part of the NFL) - “Again I think each locker room has its own culture, it’s own identity. I can’t speak to other locker rooms and how they do things.”

Salguero: Excellent escape. But everyone it recognizes for what it is -- avoiding the question.

(On if he has seen rookies getting picked on in a locker room) - “I personally think laughter in a work environment is a good thing. Not at the expense of an individual, but I think laughter can be a healthy, productive thing. But not in a demeaning way at the expense of an individual.”

Salguero: Good answer.

(On what he saw Sunday night that made him say Richie Incognito needed to be suspended) - “Again, the information that I received I took under consideration and I felt this was the appropriate action. I’m not going to get into the specifics of what it was, but I had enough information I felt to make a good decision. That’s exactly what I did."

Salguero: Coach's on a roll. Two good answers in a row. Can he do three?

(On if Richie Incognito being on the team’s leadership council was a trust that was misplaced) - “The leadership council is selected by the players. I have a lot of confidence in our players. I have a lot of confidence in the locker room, the character of the men we have in the locker room. He was selected by his teammates."

Salguero: Three in a row!

(On if there is racism on his team) - “Again, that’s going to fall under the review of the NFL.”

Salguero: Again, a terrible answer. By not answering, you are basically opening the door to the possibility there is racism on your team. If your answer to this question cannot be a resounding, emphatic "Hell no" you did something wrong in the building of your team.

(On if he has addressed the team about the situation) - “We’ve addressed it in a team meeting, yes.”

Salguero: Good.

(On if he spoke with Richie Incognito after his initial conversation with Jonathan Martin) - “Again, I’m not going to get into discussions I have had. I don’t do that with any situation.”

Salguero: Crappy question. Already been asked. And coach, you would be wise to acknowledge that you spoke to Incognito because he's your player, too (for now) and he deserves fair treatment and an audience with you. You gave him that audience. It's alright to admit it. It's not a revelation of state secrets to admit to talking to a player.

(On if he thought it was a serious matter based off his initial conversation with Jonathan Martin) - “He never mentioned to me any accusation of any inappropriate behavior. (It) was never mentioned to me at any point, not in the meeting I had with him, not in the phone conversation I had with him."

Salguero: Honest. Forthright. And a terrible fact for Philbin and the Dolphins because, again, the media found out before you did, Joe.

(On if Jonathan Martin’s representation presented evidence against one player or multiple players) - “A player.”

Salguero: Honest.

(On how likely it is that Jonathan Martin or Richie Incognito play for the Dolphins again) - “Again, right now the focus is on the football team, the men in the locker room right now (and) preparing our team for Tampa Bay. There will be a time and a place for all of that stuff."

Salguero: Don't want to nitpick so this is fine.

(On if the last four days have been miserable for him) - “Absolutely not. It’s a privilege to serve as the head coach of the Miami Dolphins. I feel fortunate every single day I come to work. I work with a great group of men, a great staff, support staff. Absolutely not.”

Salguero: Best answer of the entire presser. Philbin finished strong.

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Can't imagine Miami winning many more games, couldn't imagine it before this whole fiasco. But for a bad holding call Bengals game would not even have gone to overtime. Won't beat Jets twice, couldn't beat Buffalo at home much less on the road, etc, etc. Only bright spot is the possibility of Ross finally making a change at GM. Don't see Philbin going anywhere.

This is a franchise that holds on to losers a LONG time before they give up.

There was talk earlier this year that Incognito and Pouncey had made it their special project to toughen Martin up- physically and mentally. Couldn't some or all of the "harassment" be attributed to Incognito and Pouncey's "conditioning" of Martin?

Certainly what Martin is claiming now as to his treatment by Incognito does not fit but what if he is mostly upset about being demoted from LT to RT? Any ragging on him about him losing his job to McKinney could have resulted in a very bad reaction.

What a joke. The NFL is, by it's own standards, a debacle. Yes, what Cogs did was wrong. But the NFL picks and chooses its spots and that's what really pisses me off. Why wasn't Farve reprimanded for showing pictures of his genitals and sending multiple texts to a female reporter that he wanted to sleep with? Why did nobobdy seem to care when Ireland himself asked Dez if his mom was a ho'? I personally despise our lousy commissioner. He continually micromanages and waters down a violent game played by big, physical athletes. And then takes the entertainment value out of a game the fans pay way to much money to support.

The NFL will ALWAYS have these issues, and racism will always be there. These are huge white and black guys mutilating one another every Sunday. You think this kind of talk doesn't happen on every NFL team? Think again...

The defined bullying that makes our national headlines in normally associated with children. Martin is a grown man making big money in the NFL. Stand up for yourself, fight back, and rally some of your teammates if you know Cogs was out of line. In other words, handle it in the lockeroom. And then let the people with authority (Philbin and Ireland.... hello, where were you?) intervene.

The whole thing is a joke and yes, Dashi, it is one more reason that the FO and coaching staff should be canned. It only supports our arguement further. The NFL has become a much greater circus than the NBA, and that's saying something.

well geez......this sorta takes the mystery and drama out of what positions the Dolphins will target with their first 3-4 picks in the draft, doesnt it?

OKelly says Incognito is their best Olineman.....whats that say about 1st rd pick Pouncey?

1 year ago it looked like our Oline could at least hang......Long, Incog, Pouncey, Jerry, Martin.....now 2 and probably 3 of those pieces are likely gone......and even if Martin was mediocre, he's young with potential......Jerry is mediocre too--LITERALLY have to rebuild the entire Oline--you all want a new coach, and GM......and now we'll have a new Oline......welcome to the the 3-4 yr rebuild, folks------again.

I suspect the real reason there were no conversations about the problems during the week was that Philbin and Martin already had discussed the problem earlier - maybe back in the Spring. I feel Philbin was deceptive in his answers. He knew.

The Dolphins are trying to put this scandal in a box that contains only Cogs and Martin. The team does not want the story to expand to the extortion and bullying of rookies.

The goal is damage control and to save the jobs of Ireland, Aponte and Philbin. The truth and other things do not matter. The NFL will help in covering up the worst of everything up.

Power protects power.

Kris,

I wasn't posting here when Philbin was being signed. I was posting at the SS. When it use to be a Blog.

I find it funny you were all for Philbin. When you can't stand Sherman and Tannehill. Sherman and Tannehill were part of the plan if you like Philbin. It was a package deal. Everyone knew that. I wanted the Fins to Draft Kuechly #8, L.Miller in the 2nd and N.Foles in the 3rd. But I knew as soon as Sherman was hired T-Sizzle was going to be our #1 pick that year. Just made to much sense.

N.Foles and K.Cousins to me were the 2 underrated prospects in that Draft. Both were pretty good college QBs. N.Foles athletically is almost as good as T-Hill. And Cousins was a 3-time Captain. He has all the intangibles.

R.Wilson was always a good prospect. It was either if you liked Short QBs or Not. And unless the guys name is D.Brees or C.Keenum, Dashi doesn't like short QBs.

Can't wait to hear all the sidestepping today by "tough-guy" posters who must feel less than satisfactory in certain areas so compensate with their fake machismo.

But facts are facts. And now things are dripping out, watch for the flood. It's now been reported Odrick posted a photo of a $30,000 spread saying something like [good to eat when rookies pay for it]. And a report about Incognito making Tannehill by him a jet ski. And a report about rookies having to pick up a $50,000 tab at a strip club.

It's not just Martin. Other rookies are starting to chime in. And the vets don't seem to have anyone MAN ENOUGH to stand up and say, "maybe we went too far." Cam Wake says he didn't see anything. Wallace says he didn't see anything. Philbin didn't see anything. Looks like Dolphins are the deaf, dumb and blind franchise.

I now agree with the trolls, I wouldn't be mad if EVERYONE was fired. GM, Aponte, HC, players, blow it up and start from scratch. This is a disgrace of an organization. I thought it was bad at the end of the Sparano years, but at least he was approachable. All I needed to see was that first meeting with the Leadership Council on Hard Knocks last year to see Philbin was removed from his players. There's no comfort, even a year later. His door isn't always open, people see how cold and detached he is. Like Mando said, didn't even know what was going on in his own house (but reporters some how were able to find out in minutes).

At the very least, Philbin should be fired. Take Aponte with him. Person I'm most sympathetic towards is Ireland. He's had probably the 2 worst HC's in HISTORY to work with. He's brought talent in, but they can't improve because they are too busy worrying about the vets instead of getting help from them to learn the game.

But some of you keep thinking this is no big deal. Just like the Saints did in bounty gate. Just like the Cowboys/Redskins did when they overspent the cap. Keep dreaming!

Sigh......of course Philbin and others were deceptive/misleading......not good, but just as Payton was misleading last year.....and Belichik was misleading for spygate, and Hernandez.....and Harbaugh was misleading about the Smith situation.....and.....and....etc

Dashi......c'mon, stop with the "I wanted them to draft....." nonsense--ok, easy to say now, irrelevant, and not helpful.....nobody cares......and big whoop anyway, because youre not a GM--"I told you so"......"I woulda done this"......not good qualities, dude--yeah, sure you wouldve----and by the way, Foles wont be a good QB in this league....decent maybe, solid maybe.....but mediocre/lower tier--he's ok.

I am not completely surprised by coach's answers. This interview was scripted from the get go and had to have come down from the top. Ross is in complete damage control mode. I am sure the other owners are putting some serious pressure on him to clean up his franchise or be forced out of the league.

I am an owner of several franchise locations and as an owner I am held to very high standards set by the company flag. Moral standards are the highest on the list. It is my duty to be in the know about every little detail regarding my stores, from management right down to the lowest man on the totem pole. If this situation had arose in any of my locations I would be the one ultimately held responsible by my peers and by the organization that my franchise represents.

The NFL is a brand and not much different from any other organization and if you as a franchise owner allow this kind of embarrassment to become public knowledge then it is game over. I am very sure once this story unfolds completely and if it is found that this type of behavior is not an isolated insolent, which I am sure it is not, then I would not be surprised if a Congressional investigation will follow suite shortly after.

Ross could be forced out by the league and by the owners. It is as simple as that. The NFL will do what ever possible to protect the brand up to and including requiring Ross to fire the entire staff or be forced to sell or both.

Thoughts anyone?

This season is a total car wreck , what a joke from the owner down to the janitor ,,,,,,Gus please get a clue this is a sham

Cousins too.......look, reality is there are very few QBs taken in the 3rd rd or later, over the past 15-20 years, that have turned out to be GOOD, top 10 QBs.....especially when you compare them to the number of QBs taken over that time--small percentage of them are good.....not mediocre, not ok.....but good--very small percentage.

DC Dolfan is right. Fire everyone except Jeff Ireland.

Has anyone ever heard of hostile work environment , it's kind of a big deal?

benz, the person who's taken the largest hit (besides Incognito) in this debacle is Pouncey IMO. The guy seems to be a knucklehead, like his boy Hernandez. I defended the "Free Hernandez" hat fiasco because I thought it was a friend being loyal. But now he's been subpoena'd, and it's revealing his brother Markice hasn't. Then the video that came out last night by TMZ with him standing by Incognito going on a tirade (again using racial slurs) and laughing. Not defending his teammates, and who knows, maybe joining in the harassment. Doesn't paint a pretty picture of Mike Pouncey. Sounds like just another thug to me.

Like I said yesterday. Not only might this team be searching for a GM, HC, VP of Football Operations next year, they may need FIVE new linemen. At this point, our vet on the OL might be Jerry. And who knows, maybe Martin is the only guy they keep going forward (at least he's the only one who seems to have any sense).

Any wonder these losers lead the league in giving up sacks?

Philbin will not be fired. Read the press conference again and read it well. Salguero passed the answer himself. The answer to everyone's question.

Uh, IRA, maybe reading comprehension skills are needed, I said I'm most sympathetic to him, but wouldn't mind if they all were fired. Frankly, if you're going through ANOTHER transition, then you probably want to start fresh and get rid of everyone. But if you think Ireland has any control over what happens in the locker room (instead of the HC) then you don't know what the role of the GM is.

This is the problem we have no direction as a organization our beloved team is lost in space the coach has no control

(On if he had an inkling that anything like this was going on in the locker room before last Monday) - “That falls under what the NFL review is here for."
Salguero: So earlier in this very presser Philbin says Martin told him nothing specific of the issue and now he's refusing to answer the question? Raises suspicion.

This is the one answer that causes me to believe that Philbin is being very deceptive.

Regardless, Philbin, Ireland and Aponte will be here through 2014 or 2015 to allow Miami to save face and claim it was all an isolated incident. The Dolphins do not want to change; they just want things to go away.

" I know nothing".......Jeff Irescum

Incognito should do jail time for the death threats. He needs to be taught a harsh lesson.

Philbin will resign by weeks end or he will be fired. The pressure is mounting.

Martin's complaints have already opened a pandoras box around the league. I am very sure that every owner is on high alert and is requiring that their underlings do what ever they can to clean up any semblance of moral misconduct under their watch.

This is big gentleman and it isn't going to go away. This situation is similar to the concussion scandal. The NFL denied it even existed until they were forced by public opinion and Congressional investigation to admit there was a problem and the lawsuits followed and they eventually had to settle and make changes to the league's policies as a result. Don't be surprised if this situation follows the same path as the last scandal.

Whoops just sayin .......Brandon Marshall.........Reggie bush,,,,,,,,,,,whuzzz up fellas !!!!!!!!!

Benz,

Dashi is never with the "I told you so" when it comes to drafting. Else I would be "Crying" about how T.Austin and all the 1st Round TEs Suck!! And I would really make Ireland look like a Joke. Which is never my Intention as Ireland's Only Fan and Commandante of the Republican Army.

N.Foles is the Truth and not because he threw 7 TDs in One Game. N.Foles is the perfect prototype for a WCO QB, Tall(6'6"), Athletic(former PG), and makes Quick Decisions. He just needs time to season. Philadelphia doesn't have the best O-Line in the world either.

I also believe in G.Smith. I hate he went to the Jets. But G.Smith was the West Virginia Offense. Not a Product of it. That much is fact.

You don't know that Dashi. Why would any player trust or respect him. Rookies are fed up having to pay the "virgin tax." This is a HUGE DEAL. With the new CBA, rookies now make much less than vets. $30,000 might be 1/10 of their annual salary. That's not peanuts. If for no other reason, I see the rookies willing to air all this out to make that stop. By the way, guys like Odrick and Wake never had to deal with that. Odrick was drafted before the new CBA. Wake came from Canada, so never really went through rookie hazing. And if they are the veteran leaders on the team, they would not have a good point-of-reference to know when enough is enough.

Anyone think if we had a Ray Lewis-type respected leader on this team it would have gotten this far? This shows that a team with so many young players, so many transients, poor leadership from the coaching staff is a disaster waiting to happen. THAT does get put on the GM, he's in charge of personnel. And obviously the whole make-up of the team is lacking.

The arrow is definitely pointing down on the Miami Dolphins.

Dashi...

I like your post...I think they are insightful...and for whatever reason...we almost always wind up on opposite sides of whatever issue is @ hand...

I don't post to you to be a dikkk....altho...i'm sue you think that may be the case...I comment on your post because they ar well written and have substance....and since we rarely agree...it gives me a different angle on which to view the subject....

now...

onto the subject @ hand...

Always have been in the Philbin camp....once the rumors surfaced that he was a canidate...but like Daytona will tell you....I am probably wrong about him....just like all of the bad choices that I have talked about @ QB...

Philbin's first mistaker imo...was hiring his mentor Sherman....next it was Brining in the college coaches QB....I really don't understand that....

but the first year...Philbin and Sherman were INNOVATIVE...and did more with less....

This year....notsomuch....

using Wallace as a 60 mil decoy smacks of bad coaching....and if i'm Ross...i'm pi$$ed...

This ride with Phibin is most likely comming to an end....his ONLY hope is that the players pull together and win 10 of more games....

but lets be honest...they had 4 turn-overs against the Bungleson Thursday night...and it still took OT and the DEFENSE to get a win....

10 wins is a stretch...

6 wins...much more likely...and with that...the end of the Philbin era....

DC... the ultimate responsibility falls on the ownership, then moves down the chain of command. Ross would be very smart to remove the GM and coaches as soon as possible in order to quell off any law suites that are soon to follow. Ross has advisors outside of the franchise and minority owners who are also looking at having to dish out cash if this situation reaches the courts.

He will eventually fold under the pressure and I am sure within a week he will make a decision regarding the employment of his staff and I am very sure it will happen before the internal investigation is completed.

Ross needs to address this personally and not allow his underlings to look like total idiots by denying that they had no knowledge of this behavior. Which by the preponderance of the evidence is out right perjury. The coach and his staff are lucky they are not under oath because I am sure their answers would be much different when facing possible jail time. Protecting the boss will not be in their best interests.

.....Hell yes I want Joe Philbin fired..I didn't before this incident. But how do you trust this guy as your leader?? This was a butcher job. Total incompetence. There is absolutely no excuse for Philbin to have not known SOMETHING about what was happening under his nose, in his house..His house!

How do you buy into what he is selling? Unless you are a collector of BS...What capital has Philbin built that is of any value to this organization?

I said at the outset of this story that it was going to get bad here. Most thought I was out of bounds. I don't know if this is the low point of this story. I doubt it. I think we are just scraping the edge of what happened here. That is why I think it is going to end badly for coach. If it ended at just this. As bad, inexcusable as it was for Philbin to "not have a clue"..He would have survived...

If you were running a corporation would you stand for leadership like this??

Philbin's press conference was a total CYA performance. Guess Dawn's been coaching him.

Armando, I wonder if the attorneys for both sides have anything to say about what is revealed to the press?

It is one thing for an "unnamed source" to reveal something, it is quite another for an official representing a team to reveal something. Especially to the press.
If you had half the brains or character of Philbin you would not be a gossip columnist instead of a sports writer.

This franchise is a disaster. Our players are backing incognito? Really? I read mike pouncey was laughing as incognito was yelling the N word? A good team with good leaders would have confronted him and put him in his place. Where's big Paul soliai? Cam wake? Do we have a leader? I think pouncey is a goofball. Free Hernandez hat and now this. As for incognito, he needs to be banned from the nfl. He made the pro bowl as a fill in. I don't think he's even that good. He's allowed a handful of sacks. He's a racist and a bully. Even though Martin is 6'7 350 lbs, he's still young and I'm sure getting harassed daily has hindered his development as a player. Sad day in sports, sad day for this dysfunctional team. I'm eager to hear more facts when they surface. Then let's see joe philbin dance around some more questions. Free fall to the bottom of the nfl starts.....now.

We all pleaded for NATIONAL ATTENTION.....

I listened to Mike and MIKE for an hour PLUS....and it was ALL FINS....ALL the TIME....

To bad its so negtive....

Good stuff from Cris Carter...and BIG Mike....Even Dan Lebatard was on the show....I wonder why not Armando....

Any way...if you missed it....very balanced stuff from former players....and even balanced it was condeming....

The ONLY good thin to come out on COGS side....he has the WHOLE locker roome punked....dude is lie a Mobster....we should call him "knuckles"...

(On if he thought it was a serious matter based off his initial conversation with Jonathan Martin) - “He never mentioned to me any accusation of any inappropriate behavior. (It) was never mentioned to me at any point, not in the meeting I had with him, not in the phone conversation I had with him."

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J.Martin never told Philbin that he was being Bullied.

NEVER!!

EVER!!

REPEAT!! J.Martin never told Philbin that he was being Bullied.

Even on Sunday!!

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(Opening statement) – “I thought I would start out the press conference by giving you a little of a background on some of the events that have occurred during the last week.

Last Monday evening in preparation prior to our preparation for practice against the Cincinnati Bengals, Jonathan Martin left our facility prior to that practice after an incident occurred in our team dining room.

Later that evening, he contacted a member of our organization. Soon thereafter I contacted Jonathan personally, requested a meeting with him, at which he readily accepted. I met with him later that evening. We had a good discussion.

Throughout the course of the week, I was in contact on multiple occasions with him and members of his family. I spoke to him the day after the game, and I spoke to members of his family over the course of the weekend.

As the weekend unfolded, early on Sunday, as you well know, as an organization we released a statement that was 100 percent factual.

""Soon thereafter, we were contacted by representatives of Jonathan, and before I say that I should let you know that in all my discussions with Jonathan and members of his family, at no time were there any accusations or allegations of misconduct by any members of this team or organization.""

"Later on Sunday, we were contacted by one of his representatives where they in fact had some concerns over player conduct that had occurred. We immediately took those concerns very, very seriously."

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J.Martin or His Representatives didn't tell Philbin he was being Bullied until Sunday!! After the Fins Released a Statement that J.Martin still hasn't spoken with his Head Coach on why he left the team.

Which Philbin & Co. Swiftly removed Incognito from the team.

It wasn't multiple people Bullying J.Martin. It was ONE PERSON and he has been removed from the team.

He has NO EXCUSE not to show up. Now he would have to drop the lawsuit.

WHICH MAKES YOU WONDER?

Is it really about Football?

Armando= judge and jury AND Mind reader

and ya'll seemed surpised
only the blind clueless homers and the clueless owner are surprised
lol

...Why I do not think this is an isolated issue..

At some point the relaxed leadership at this franchise enabled players like Incognito to do the thing he did. This just didn't start one day. That is what I think the NFl is going to find. That the rules that may have been set were obviously not enforced, that there was a tremendous amount of" "Nothing to see here" going on.

This was the culture..And that is the problem. If it was kept to a point where it didn't get out of hand...Then none of this comes up. We all know it happens to a lesser extent in every locker room. but there is a reason that Incognito got comfortable doing the things he did..Because there was nobody there to take control..

This has cost us games, it may cost us our coach, it has cost us any bit of dignity that this club had. Some of you wanted media attention...Here it is.

I'm still upset we drafted a big fat puzzie. Thats the only thing that upsets me about this and is the most embarrassing part. A REAL offensive tackle would not let it come to this.

Up unitl now, I thought the most disturbing thing I've ever seen was Stephen Davis getting punched the f*** out by Michael Westbrook. But at least Davis took his shots, came back and became a Pro Bowler.

Martin just went crying home to his mother. The most pathetic instance in the history of the NFL. And what's almost as sad is the left wing influence on the media is forcing everyone to present this as a sad occassion and Incognito as a bad, bad man on the level of murderers and thieves. PUHLEASE! A real football player would not have handled it like this. There is no report of Incognito ever laying a hand on martin, just him crying like a BICCHH. The saddest day in Dolphins history is that we drafted Johnathan Martin and almost as sad is that it sounds like they will let him wear the jersey again.

Rookie you say? Would this happen to Suh in his rookie year?? Warren Sapp?? jake Long? Johnathan Ogden??? Even Eric Fisher?? NOPE, they would've handled it... not this sad sack of shite...

'It was not mentioned by Martin in the meeting or on the phone call', Philbin..

Well, did you ask or probe coach? Or was it something you really didn't want to know?

Were is Ireland in all of this? He disappeared faster than Joe Biden at a Obama press conference!

Two questions.. Not holding my breath for an answer..

Sad situation.. Both need help!

Dashi....

for the sake of argument (since you are buying this hook..line...and sinker)...

hat do you suppose Philbin and Martin talked about after the cafeteria blow-up....why do you think Marting so "readily" (Philbin's words) agreed to meet him?

I think Martin and his family mulled things over with an attorney and a big lawsuit is coming.....

the poor janitor
lol

COphan....

imo.....

By Philbin releasing that BOGUS statement on 11 am on Sunday...DENYING EVERYTHING....and defending Cogs....

then...COGS going on a twitter rant...about "clear my name"...and calling everybody out....

THEY (coach included)...Left Martin and the Martin camp with NO CHOICE...but to go forward...

poorly handled...on all fronts....

I notice that the best way to have the press hang you out to dry is to not give them everything they want at the exact second they want it. Reading the comment posted after each answer makes it clear that salgero has that bias as usual.

John have you ever heard of plausible deniability? The only jury the coach is facing at this point is public opinion. I am sure he is being instructed not to admit to anything at this point. Tow the line until you can no longer continue the act of denial.

If this hits the courts things will be much different. Perjury is a very serious offense even in a civil suite. I wouldn't count on anything being remotely truthful coming out of any of the staff at this point in time. This is all about protecting your job and the reputation of your organization, which goes hand in hand.

benz, martin is not mediocre, he is the worst graded offensive tackle in the NFL when Clabo is on the bench.

Jerry at least holds his own. Not a star but is a very good pass blocker and a mediocre run blocker. he grades out middle of the pack for guards. He's not bad at all and worth retaining.

I wouldn't say Incognito is a Racist. I would say he is an Idiot and should know more words than N---a in his dictionary. Specially when Insulting someone, definitely some Honey Suckle Punk from Stanford. If Push comes to Shove, I consider Incognito to be Blacker than J.Martin.

None of the Bullying was Race Related. It was all Sissy related. J.Martin got punked.

That is worst than Crying on the Field after a Loss.

I would rather have a guy who can't stand losing than a guy who quits on the team for personal reasons.

Incognito is neither. But J.Martin should not be playing. He has No Heart and will get someone injured. McKinnie is doing a better job protecting T-Hill.

Mark...


So in short....you side with the racist Cogs....

am I reading this right....

That makes

YOU

Boddy D 12

Phins 78

and Daytona (and about 1,000 other names)

Sound like good company to keep....

Dolphins havent been a classy organization since Shula left. it starts with character guys in the front office; not dawn aponte who was schooled in damage control. she had philbin all ready for his interview. i cant believe anything they say. fire the whole bunch and start over.

....Dashi. It makes total sense to me. How could Jon Martin feel part of a team, when the team didn't make him feel a part of it? You are going to blame him? People are different. Perhaps you are right, Martin may not be cut out to play football. So that means he deserves to be treated by teammates the way he was? It is ridiculous, pathetic actually. Perhaps if teammates spent the same amount of time building him up as they did tearing him down..We would have seen a different player..Nope...Lets prey on the weak.

Dashi....

I HIGHLY doubt you are qualified to comment on the level of ANYONE'S blackness...

The fact that you think there is even such a quantifier NOT only proves it....but its also makes us ALL dumber for reading it...

I really need to proof read my post for spelling errors....many of you need to proof read for FOOT-N-MOUTH DISEASE)...

It may happen sooner than you think greg z.

Now announcing our good guy of the year winner,,,,,,,,,Richie Incognito ,,,,,,,,hurrah hurrah,,,what a great guy ....really are you kidding us,Thais is what is wrong with our team, a perfect example

This team will be blown up after the year , how can Steve Ross take this ,this will be his true test for our owner

Salguero: Again, a terrible answer. By not answering, you are basically opening the door to the possibility there is racism on your team. If your answer to this question cannot be a resounding, emphatic "Hell no" you did something wrong in the building of your team.

Phins78: Please answer how Philbin did something wrong in building the team Salguero. Isn't Jeff Ireland charged with picking the players and hasn't he himself been accused of racist comments?! How is Philbin supposed to know what is in every players mind before they are drafted?

Martin is gone, his contract will be terminated and he will get paid and move on. Cogs is also gone, not officially, but gone none the less. Soon it will be Ireland, Philbin and co. as well.

Ross would be a complete idiot to continue to employ these trolls. TIme to move on and get this whole situation buttoned up. I give it a week at the latest, mark my words.

Kris,

That statement clearly says J.Martin never told him directly he was being bullied. Maybe he fed Philbin some line about personal issues. I don't know. I just Know Philbin said J.Martin never told him he was being bullied and never told him who was doing the Bullying.

Philbin or the Dolphins didn't know who the Bully was until late Sunday.

Look I understand if you were to post a picture of what a Bully Should look like Incognito would pop up.

But Philbin or the Dolphins aren't to blame. They didn't know until Sunday evening.

WashPhinFan, i sure hope so! we got a scathing review from multiple former hall of famers and classy media types. how could our coach be so clueless? and where is ireland hiding? we gotta clean house.

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