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Joe Philbin press conference (tape review)

Joe Philbin and his coaching staff study the tape of every game the Dolphins play after the fact and meet with the team to make corrections. Well, on Monday, the Dolphins coach was in front of his biggest forum -- a group of about 75 media representing more attention-grabbing power than I've ever seen at a club presser -- and he put on his best face to address perhaps the ugliest set of facts ever faced by the franchise.

Philbin had to discuss the Jonathan Martin-Richie Incognito mess. And below you will find what he said. And below the coach's comments, I will give you my thoughts on what was said as I see fit.

Think of it as going back to the film and correcting the mistakes or issues.

(Opening statement) – “I thought I would start out the press conference by giving you a little of a background on some of the events that have occurred during the last week. Last Monday evening in preparation prior to our preparation for practice against the Cincinnati Bengals, Jonathan Martin left our facility prior to that practice after an incident occurred in our team dining room. Later that evening, he contacted a member of our organization. Soon thereafter I contacted Jonathan personally, requested a meeting with him, at which he readily accepted. I met with him later that evening. We had a good discussion. Throughout the course of the week, I was in contact on multiple occasions with him and members of his family. I spoke to him the day after the game, and I spoke to members of his family over the course of the weekend. As the weekend unfolded, early on Sunday, as you well know, as an organization we released a statement that was 100 percent factual. Soon thereafter, we were contacted by representatives of Jonathan, and before I say that I should let you know that in all my discussions with Jonathan and members of his family, at no time were there any accusations or allegations of misconduct by any members of this team or organization. Later on Sunday, we were contacted by one of his representatives where they in fact had some concerns over player conduct that had occurred. We immediately took those concerns very, very seriously.

Our owner, Steve Ross who has been involved throughout the entire process, contacted the commissioner, Roger Goodell, and requested that the NFL become involved and conduct a review of the work place. We issued a second statement noting we had received information that we were taking very seriously and that we were gathering information on. Throughout the course of the day, we gathered more and more information. At the end of the day, I decided to suspend Richie Incognito based on the information I had at that time. The NFL is going to conduct a review of the work place. It’s going to be comprehensive. It’s going to be objective, and we are going to give as an organization our full and complete co-operation with the NFL. That’s really where things are as of today.

I want you to know as the head coach of the Miami Dolphins I am in charge of the work place atmosphere. Since April 10, 2012 when the players first came here and I was the head coach, every decision I’ve made and everything we’ve done to the facility has been done with one thing in mind, and that is to help our players and our organization reach their full potential. Any type of conduct, behavior that detracts from that behavior is not acceptable and is not tolerated.

Two of my children go to school here right behind here at the University School. As a parent, when they walk through those doors I have certain expectations that the administration, the teachers and the staff are going to create a safe atmosphere where my children can learn and develop as people. This is no different. I take this responsibility very seriously that these players when they walk in this door they feel like they have the best medical care, the best strength and conditioning care, the best coaching, the best fields to practice on, the best technology and the best classrooms to learn in. That’s very important to me. I will tell you if the review shows that this is not a safe atmosphere, I will take whatever measures are necessary to ensure that it is. I have that obligation to the players that I coach on a daily basis, and I will do that. Any questions on that?"

Salguero: I find it strange that in this account Martin met with Philbin the same day he supposedly went AWOL. And yet with the troubling issues that caused him to flee the Dolphins still so fresh, the player could not bring himself to tell Philbin what was troubling him. If that is the case, what the heck did the coach and the player talk about? Zone blocking schemes? I mean, your player leaves the team. You bring him back for a meeting. Question No. 2, after how are you feeling, is why did you leave? Did Philbin ask? Did Martin answer in a fashion that the coach was still unaware about why his player left after that meeting ended?

Also, Philbin and the Dolphins talked to Martin's representation and his family. And still the club didn't know what was troubling Martin on Thursday? How about on Friday when Philbin was asked about reports of misconduct and bullying in the locker room?

How is it the media seemed to know and was reporting on what was troubling Jonathan Martin before Joe Philbin and the Dolphins knew? And how is it that after seeing those reports and talking to the Martin camp some more, the Dolphins still believed the reports to be "speculation" until late Sunday afternoon?

I mean, where are the people and communication skills?

(On if he has talked to Richie Incognito and if he is satisfied with his apology) -  “I’ve been in contact with Richie. Any conversation that I have with any football player on this team are personal and confidential in nature."

Salguero: Bad answer. Sure, it gets Philbin out of having to explain the talk and thus gives him all sorts of plausible deniability about what was said. But ... I'm sure Dolphins fans might have felt better about their coach's leadership ability if he'd said that he explained to Incognito that evidence against him was strong and that he had no tolerance for the stuff the evidence (ie texts and a voicemail message) shows Incognito to have said and written.

(On if he had an inkling that anything like this was going on in the locker room before last Monday) - “That falls under what the NFL review is here for."

Salguero: So earlier in this very presser Philbin says Martin told him nothing specific of the issue and now he's refusing to answer the question? Raises suspicion.

(On if he personally had any idea incidents were going on) – “Again, I want to make clear this. My focus right now is on the men in the locker room, preparing our football team to play the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I will give my full and complete and total corporation with the NFL. When that takes place, the timeline on that I don’t have the specifics of. I will tell you I will be in full and complete co-operation with them. I will answer everything honestly to the best of my knowledge. But what I would like to make sure what everybody understands is that there are not going to be comments during the course of this investigation until we get all of the information and we come together on that information."

Salguero: Philbin is basically saying "I'll tell the NFL what I know. You, the media, not so much." What he needs to start realizing is something Jimmy Johnson and Don Shula knew almost instinctively: When you are speaking at a press conference, you're not really talking to reporters. You are talking to your players. You are talking to your opponents. You are talking to your organization. Most importantly, you are talking to your fans. When he blows off questions, he's blowing off opportunities. And he's blowing off fans.

(On how he missed incidents of what could be deemed hazing or bullying from Richie Incognito on national television last year) - “What was that?"

(On Richie Incognito’s incidents on television last year where he hacked into Facebook accounts and talking about someone’s girlfriend) – “I never saw it."

(On if he never saw the incidents with Richie Incognito on Hard Knocks) -  “I never saw it. What was it on TV, on Hard Knocks? I never saw the show, not once. I was working at the time.”

Salguero: The coach has said numerous times he didn't think Hard Knocks helped the Dolphins or hurt the Dolphins at all last year. Except he apparently formed that opinion without even knowing what was on the show? Hurts his credibility.

(On if incidents staying inside the locker room are part of the NFL) - “Again I think each locker room has its own culture, it’s own identity. I can’t speak to other locker rooms and how they do things.”

Salguero: Excellent escape. But everyone it recognizes for what it is -- avoiding the question.

(On if he has seen rookies getting picked on in a locker room) - “I personally think laughter in a work environment is a good thing. Not at the expense of an individual, but I think laughter can be a healthy, productive thing. But not in a demeaning way at the expense of an individual.”

Salguero: Good answer.

(On what he saw Sunday night that made him say Richie Incognito needed to be suspended) - “Again, the information that I received I took under consideration and I felt this was the appropriate action. I’m not going to get into the specifics of what it was, but I had enough information I felt to make a good decision. That’s exactly what I did."

Salguero: Coach's on a roll. Two good answers in a row. Can he do three?

(On if Richie Incognito being on the team’s leadership council was a trust that was misplaced) - “The leadership council is selected by the players. I have a lot of confidence in our players. I have a lot of confidence in the locker room, the character of the men we have in the locker room. He was selected by his teammates."

Salguero: Three in a row!

(On if there is racism on his team) - “Again, that’s going to fall under the review of the NFL.”

Salguero: Again, a terrible answer. By not answering, you are basically opening the door to the possibility there is racism on your team. If your answer to this question cannot be a resounding, emphatic "Hell no" you did something wrong in the building of your team.

(On if he has addressed the team about the situation) - “We’ve addressed it in a team meeting, yes.”

Salguero: Good.

(On if he spoke with Richie Incognito after his initial conversation with Jonathan Martin) - “Again, I’m not going to get into discussions I have had. I don’t do that with any situation.”

Salguero: Crappy question. Already been asked. And coach, you would be wise to acknowledge that you spoke to Incognito because he's your player, too (for now) and he deserves fair treatment and an audience with you. You gave him that audience. It's alright to admit it. It's not a revelation of state secrets to admit to talking to a player.

(On if he thought it was a serious matter based off his initial conversation with Jonathan Martin) - “He never mentioned to me any accusation of any inappropriate behavior. (It) was never mentioned to me at any point, not in the meeting I had with him, not in the phone conversation I had with him."

Salguero: Honest. Forthright. And a terrible fact for Philbin and the Dolphins because, again, the media found out before you did, Joe.

(On if Jonathan Martin’s representation presented evidence against one player or multiple players) - “A player.”

Salguero: Honest.

(On how likely it is that Jonathan Martin or Richie Incognito play for the Dolphins again) - “Again, right now the focus is on the football team, the men in the locker room right now (and) preparing our team for Tampa Bay. There will be a time and a place for all of that stuff."

Salguero: Don't want to nitpick so this is fine.

(On if the last four days have been miserable for him) - “Absolutely not. It’s a privilege to serve as the head coach of the Miami Dolphins. I feel fortunate every single day I come to work. I work with a great group of men, a great staff, support staff. Absolutely not.”

Salguero: Best answer of the entire presser. Philbin finished strong.

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Silverback...

I don't listen to rap music for those exact reasons that you stated....

I have either outgrown it...or am repulsed by the negative language and stereotypes it perpertrates...

Not my thing....

...I know that you guys don't care what I do, or what has happened in my workplace. I have experience with an employee using the words" I will kill you" to another...Legaly, and the Phins by law followed protocol. You have to at the least suspend that employee.

Do you understand the liability that you risk if you know that language like this was used? (Even thought I do not think anyone really thinks Incognito would Kill Martin..) You have to protect yourself. It is the law. If you do not, and something happens..Even a physical altercation..You as the employer can be liable.


The racist stuff is one thing. No excuse. But when you use words like kill...That is where the line is drawn.

.Washfin..Yeah..We have had over 2 feet this week. Spokane is great..Alsway stay at the Davenport on my way through town. I love that hotel. Are you an EWU guy? I had season tickets in Missoula up to last year. Was at the game 2 weeks ago..Vernon Adams is a poor mans Russel Wilson..

Posted by: Darryl Dunphy | November 05, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Yeah it is a nice area. Been living here on and off for 30 some odd years. Originally from San Diego. Played for the Oceanside High School Pirates and El Camino Wildcats back in the day. Was recruited by several schools, but bad knees and even badder luck nixed it for me in the long run. Several teammates made it to the NFL level and were successful for the most part, but that is ancient history.

Been a Dolphin fan for well over 40 years and counting. Love the "U" and somewhat Boise State, but when Kellen Moore left, the team fell apart.

Mark, stop acting like a fairy. Christ! You're starting to sound like Mouth with your holier than thouness.

You also sound borderline retarded with your refusal to accept the truth about your team. Drop the homer schtick!

Get over yourself & wake up. Every one of those teams is absolutely better than the phins. To deny it equates to you living in a bubble.

DC - I hear you, but in this case, if Martin didn't have confidence that the Dolphins would do the right thing, then he could have gone to his union or the League office. It's very easy to say that the staff should have known, but I'm just not buying that he couldn't have talked to someone. Maybe he just isn't cut out for this type of work and felt isolated. I'm sure everyone could have done a better job, I'm just not going to get caught up in the "fire everyone" talk. I think it's easy to lose sight of how many things are going on at any given moment on a team, I don't see how you can catch everything. That said, I think having Incognito on the Leadership Team was a joke, and all of the players should be embarrassed that they though he was worthy.

Dashi so you're saying straight coincidence a black player asked if his mom's a prostitute. Do you think a white player gets asked this even though Ireland had the exact same info on the white player?

Yes, maybe Ireland was within his rights to ask this question, but did he really have to?

My post wasn't about rehashing the Ireland incidence, just that it may have contributed to any borderline racists on the team feeling comfortable with a type of behavior that could be considered borderline racist.

Ireland's Dez Bryant question beyond the shadow of any doubt is considered a borderline racist question. Poll NFL black players. Im sure at least 50% would fully agree.

So, if Bryant was white & Ireland asked him the same question, I assume it wouldn't be considered racist ecause he's white?

Gimme a break!

If Martin was offended he should have nipped it in the bud. Fighting is not always the answer. Someone could get seriously hurt or killed and then 1 guy is hurt/dead and the other in jail.

but he should have spoke up right away to coaches and fellow players that this stuff bothered him.

I don't think it was actual bullying, I think it was bad attempt at sick humor. I guess Martin is more sensitive than Incognito realized. It appears the other players looked at it as joking.

Incognito is done though on this team.

Richie Incognito finds himself at the center of the Dolphins' and the NFL's investigation of the bullying and racist complaints of Jonathan Martin, who left the team last week. Incognito has been suspended indefinitely, and the latest report is that Incognito left Martin texts and voicemails "that are both threatening and racially charged in nature."

Dolphins fans seem somewhat fed up with Incognito, who can't seem to avoid trouble off the field and is one of the league's dirtiest players on it. But on a popular Dolphins message board, Incognito has at least one strident defender—and it might be his dad.

Early this morning, a poster with the username "idrd1994" left an impassioned defense of Incognito on the FinHeaven message board. In it, he attacked both Martin and Mike Pouncey as "black brothers that do drugs on a regular basis," and asked readers to "pray [GM Jeff] Ireland and [coach Joe] Philbin die of AIDS." He blasts the team from top to bottom, claims Incognito is getting railroaded, and uses the "black people say the N-word in rap music" argument to dismiss claims that Incognito sent racial messages to Martin. He also implies that Martin has pondered suicide, and "does not belong in an NFL locker room."

The post has since been deleted.

User "TheWalrus" decided to go back and look at idrd1994's post history, and found something interesting. idrd1994 "only talks about the offensive line, praises Jeff Darlington (who Richie 'trusted' to write the big feature on Richie) and constantly refers to Jason Smith, the legendary #2 overall draft pick bust of the Rams, who was taken when Incognito was there."

Then, more sleuthwork. TheWalrus found another post of idrd1994's where he talks about growing up in New Jersey and watching the Jets play at Shea Stadium. Richie Incognito was born in New Jersey, but after the Jets had already moved. Not too young to have seen the Jets play in Queens? Richie Incognito Sr., an active poster (under a different name) on Nebraska message boards when Richie Jr. played for the Huskers.

A Google search for "idrd1994" turns up a number of posts on RC car message boards, from a user claiming to live in Arizona—where the Incognitos moved when Richie Jr. was 11. "idrd1994" is also a profile on MyLife.com, registered under one Richie Incognito, age 63, from Glendale, Ariz.

Update: Adam Beasley of the Miami Herald spoke to the FinHeaven board administrator. idrd1994 registered with a date of birth of 12/14/1949, which matches Richie Incognito Sr.'s birthday.

idrd1994 has—at least according to what's accessible on the site—a brief but focused posting history on FinHeaven. His first few posts, beginning on Oct. 9, were all about the Miami offensive line.


it's cooperation not corporation...

Dashi you are totally within your rights to believe as you are pleased. So am I. That's the beauty of this thing called life.

We can all be a little wrong even when we're right. Then a little right even when we're wrong. Isn't life a beautiful thing?

LOL, why am I holier than thou, because I'm not going to give up on this teama nd rag on it like so many others?

That's not in my DNA, I support my team, I love my team.

I didn't tell you to change, if you want to surrender, go ahead. Just not what I'm going to do.

If being a loyal fan is wrong then I don't know what to say anymore ...

I think its safe to say that Irescum didnt ask any white players if their momma was a hooka.

If Martin was offended he should have nipped it in the bud. Fighting is not always the answer. Someone could get seriously hurt or killed and then 1 guy is hurt/dead and the other in jail.

but he should have spoke up right away to coaches and fellow players that this stuff bothered him.

I don't think it was actual bullying, I think it was bad attempt at sick humor. I guess Martin is more sensitive than Incognito realized. It appears the other players looked at it as joking.

Incognito is done though on this team.

Fins 38
Bucs 6

This means war.

And stop calling me a fairy ... you're bullying me!!!

MANDOOOOOOO!!!!

If I may add a line or two from BIG MIKE on Mike and MIKE this morning...

(paraphrasing)....

"Martin snapped...because the cafeteria incident was the last (for him) in a LONG LINE OF INCIDENTS....Its a good thing Martin's parentstaught him how to fight with his mind...cause if he had been taught to fight with a GUN or KNIFE (or some other neanderthal sort of violence)...then we would be talking about the FINS and Martin in a whole different light"...

But for some of you....this would have been fine....

Martin could have showed the world that he wasn't a PUNK....be a tough guy from Prison...and possibly get the NFL games suspened for a week or two...while the LEAGUE SHUTS DOWN....

that would have really showed he wasn't a puzze....right?

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dbDNJ?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=daily-radar

Well this is certainly revealing. Now I know where Cogs got his attitude. What a joke of a man.

Racism is a loaded word, and unfortunately many here are too juvenile or ignorant to really know what that is. Some talk about blacks using the n word as some sort of racism in and of itself. Or an excuse that's makes it acceptable for whites to use it. But just like any other racial (or other) slur, most people use them around people they are comfortable and familiar with.

That to me is the least important part of the whole Incognito issue. I'm not even taking it into account. Even though there's now proof a second incidence of the usage of the word, frankly, to me, that alone doesn't prove Incognito is a racist.

But really, it doesn't even matter. The main issue is the hostile environment Incognito created. And that's why he was fired, and his history is why he'll probably never play again in the NFL.

Let's leave the racism charges out of the equation, they just complicate things too much.

Incognito ia a real bad guy and I'm glad he's off my team.

to be fair no other players had moms who worked for pimps ... and this is the first I heard of a pimp having a bookkeeper...

We long for the days of Wannstache and Fiedler, when we were 11-5 almost every year.

..Washfin..Awesome. I grew up down there. I knew a girl named Kelly Meadows that went to OC high...I think she became a Charger Cheerleader. I used to surf a Cardiff all the time!

We long for the days of Wannstache and Fiedler, when we were 11-5 almost every year.

Posted by: Tim Couch | November 05, 2013 at 11:40 AM

We didnt realize how good those guys were.

Do y'all remember 2002 when Ricky went for 1800+ yards. Them were the days.

First it was the media exploiting the situation for their own agenda. And make no mistake, news particularly bad news sells. Then Ross called on help from the NFL. Now the NFLPA is involved.

My point? This whole thing is great news for the media giving ex-coaches and other 'experts' all you care to eat at a Golden Corral. They will grind this story into the ground.

Whatever side you come down on there's one thing for sure. Heads will roll. Whose and how many? Stay tuned they are yet TBD

Kris, there vcertainly were a lot better ways to handle this sitaution than he did. I'd prefer my OT could handle himself with his fists ... that's just me ... I want an animal ... not a senstive fat fart from Stanford.... anyway, besides the point.

He could've shown the recording to coaches, teammates, sports psycologist ... don't they even still have a priest? .. my bad if they don't. Anyways, this should've been handled internally out of respect to the other 51 guys on the team ... not to mention millions of fans. The offseason was the time to handle it this way. Shite, if he had the recording since April .... what's two more months???

Even though it's obvious that Incognito has issues and went wayyy to far, the whole rookie hazing thing goes on all over the nfl and others sports.

On the whole it looks like it has been allowed to go to far period and the NFL should shoulder some of the blame. Especially if you consider their whole campaign to minimize injuries and promote the illusion that football isn't a violent sport.

I mean the sign on Cog's locker that read "2 things I hate taxes and rookies" is over the top.

What a pinhead. You hate them? Wasn't he a rookie once?

NAACP is involved also...

Haha, love the Golden Corral references... Mando should get them to sponsor the blog... that place gets more free pub in here than DD's bar.

ummm this is crazy tmz has video of incognito throwing racial slurring at bar w pouncey... warning very graphic language

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-11-04/sports/sfl-tmz-incognito-uses-nword-in-video-of-shirtless-bar-rage-20131104_1_richie-incognito-rage-mike-pouncey

right on Kris

Rick, that totally explains it, Incognito is a meathead ... like 90%+ others that have ever played the game... you think all these guys are health Schulers that can make a living with his mind??

..Mark in Toronto..LOL Nice..well played!

can see that here but ... shirtless bar rage??? What kind of bar has men walking around shirtless??

Blue Oyster maybe ...

Wah Wah!!! I am so abused. I was given an education from Stanford, my parents are rich and I get paid millions/yr to play a game.

FEEL SORRY FOR ME!!!

The WHOLE WORLD is screwed up. Pardon me if I throw up.

DD, I kid because I love ....

EK, move over and make room for me...

http://www.tmz.com/2013/11/04/richie-incognito-n-word-bar-rage-video/


http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dbDNJ?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=daily-radar

Well this is certainly revealing. Now I know where Cogs got his attitude. What a joke of a man.

Posted by: WashPhinFan | November 05, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Cogs father, lmao. Sure see the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree here.

Actually, Cogs father stating Martin has attempted sucicide 3 times means Ritchie knew Martin was mentally frail and INTENTIONALLY went after and exploited Martin's condition.


If indeed this was Cogs father, he's actually just made a very strong legal case against his son Ritchie. What an idiot.


LOL, why am I holier than thou, because I'm not going to give up on this teama nd rag on it like so many others?

That's not in my DNA, I support my team, I love my team.

I didn't tell you to change, if you want to surrender, go ahead. Just not what I'm going to do.

If being a loyal fan is wrong then I don't know what to say anymore ...

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | November 05, 2013 at 11:36 AM

I don't rag on my team. Surrender? LOL I know when to hold em & know when to fold em. Supporting them & praying everything goes right just to be average, in the face of all evidence pointing to the contrary, is a waste of time.

I've been right on this same issue since 2009. The players, management & coaching simply are not there to expect better results.

Pretending that it is, is useless. You can be a loyal fan like I am and still have a realistic view point. Still hoping this team some how becomes what it isn't is stupid.

If you think calling you a fairy is bullying, stop pulling a Jmart & fight back! lol

Now you all know why Martin was a terrible lineman. He is too emotionally weak. The sensitive players are usually receivers and QB's. We all know to play the OL or DL, one must be a bad arse, a tough SOB. You have to have a certain mentality. Look at all the greats, they were mentally tough and had a mean streak. This goes on throughout the league, Martin, just changed the culture in the NFL for good. Which is focused on much more political correctness. Shame on all the NFL analysts who were former players for saying they never did that or went through it. All of them picked on th weak players, I can guarantee that. You don't think big mouth Sapp picked on players. Ha ha

I sweat Incognito is a closet homosexual. Maybe he made gay overtures to Martin, thinking Martin was a Pickle Tickler and when it wasnt mutual, he went on the attack. Kind of like the movie American Beauty!

Obviously Martin has always had serious issues. That is why we should salute Jeff Ireland for only using a second round pick on him.

soooooooooo irecorn had jmart at a high 2 on his board and 31 other boards had jmart as 4 or 5
lol

bad publicity is still publicity
ro$$ don't care
that's y he is gonna make aponte the 1st fem. gm
lol

LOL, the team just went through the worst of their schedule and came out 4-4.

They have a schedule where the team's winning % the rest of the way is about .450, in my opinion, you may be selling at a low ...

Amen, dolfnman

This is all so friggin stupid. ESPN and the rest of the media has taken this story and turned it into an agenda to turn the NFL into a nickelodeon/PBS afternoon special about Bullying. If I hear that friggin word again, geez. And stop calling Martin a kid...he's not a kid...he's a grown man at 23! And why does it have to be extremes? You can stand up for yourself without grabbing a gun, knife, or bat. You can stand up for yourself without throwing a punch. Why are people coming down on other players, esp defensive players. You know the players hang out in cliques; is it really that unbelievable that other players were not aware or concerned with Jonathan Martin and Incognitos love fest. I hope these guys can push out the noise and focus on ball and beat the bucs

Good analysis Armando.

Philbin lacks any credibility saying Martin or his reps/family NEVER mentioned ANY misconduct by RI or anyone else despite several meetings, conversations between Monday and the following Sunday. What did they talk about? Why did you leave? Anything bothering you? Why did you slam tray? I can't believe there was no follow-up to that implausible answer.

He looked overwhelmed - which is understandable - but was best when he went deviated off the Aponte script and was candid. Harvey Greene or a Ross PR/lawyer needs to get Aponte out of the way. They need a professional at obfuscation. She's an amateur. These aren't beat writers and team/NFL freindly Jeff Darlington types. They are going to send the master vultures to town for weeks. They won't back down until all the meat is off the bone. They will laugh at answers like 'all conversations are confidential'

BTW, why doesn't Jeff Ireland have to get up there and swing in the wind. He brought in Incognito and drafted Martin and Pouncey. Trouble is: he's even worse behind a podium.

Read and learn: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9926888/miami-dolphins-kept-richie-incognito-control

Former NFLers Rich Gannon and Nate Jackson recount $30,000-$40,000 dinner bills paid for by rookies.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/raiders/2013/11/04/rfarkich-gannon-oakland-raiders-hazing/3433515/

air drop both cog and jmart straight onto tora bora and then we'll see how both of those nfl puxxies will act
lol

billcale, that was before the new CBA. Another era. No relevance.

It is painfully obvious Philbin had to know something or he should be fired if he did not. I' ve listened to Bill Polian and he had perhaps IMO the best insight on all this. He is not blaming Philbin and Ireland directly but he is pointing at the player leadership or lack thereof in this case; however when that leadership is absent, mainly due to dumb personnel choices (Ireland), then it was up to the HC to have at least a pulse of his locker room. Classy organizations go beyond that and, like Steve Young emphatically said on ESPN, and declare a zero tolerance for hazing from day one, that is what one Bill Walsh did from day one he mentioned; and you can not argue with the results. Those 49ers were busier bullying the opponent rather than each other, gonask Ronnie Lott.
This entire organization is a fiasco and mercifully it is taking a rock bottom-typr of incident to finally bring this inept owner to his knees to make the vastly needed clean house-type of execuive decision. The entire front office must go and so all the coaches and obviously some of the players. Ross will have no choice to make these moves actually rather faster than people think because of the legal and financial ramifications of the matter, it is really a huge mess.
I fully anticipate the league pushing for either Dan Marino or Bill Cowher or some other prominent name in the game to get some sort of executive role with the team. As for the new head coach who knows but I'm sure whoever is left as interim coach until th season ends will have the main duty to evaluate players for both their potential and character because this locker room is sorely missing the latter.

Chris: Yep, this is bigger than NFL and ESPN and way, way bigger than Philbin can handle hiding behind Aponte's skirt. Awful presser was just the beginning of the sh%t storm coming. Dolphins, Incognito and Martin are pawns. Media keeps talking about 'layers' and 'still unfolding'. As long as the general public cares (weeks usually) this maelstrom will continue,

Also, don't get it twisted. No one here is more of a fan than I am of this team because you may choose to play dumb and ignore the underlying issues in this situation. I and others who want this stuff cleaned up aren't "left-wing" wusses or can't support the team if/when this gets resolved. I'll be right there rooting for a win next Monday like most of you will. So don't flatter yourselves.

What I'm assuming you don't realize is this has been more than an inconvenience, it's been a HUGE DISTRACTION! And if it could have been dealt with before now, maybe the team could have saved 2 starting linemen and dealt with, I don't know, winning more games then they lose for the rest of the season.

So ultimately my goals are the betterment of the team, and WINNING! I just understand this isn't helping reach that goal at all. Sometimes, being a "blind homer" (like the trolls say) is not beneficial to the team in the long run.

..Washfin..Awesome. I grew up down there. I knew a girl named Kelly Meadows that went to OC high...I think she became a Charger Cheerleader. I used to surf a Cardiff all the time!

Posted by: Darryl Dunphy | November 05, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Yeah DD, its funny how truly small this world is in regards to this blog. Kelly Meadows sounds familiar, but unless she is around my age I doubt if I ever met her unless I attended school with one of her older siblings.

I surfed up and down the coast and lived right on the beach for the first 8 years of my life down in O'side. Father was a Marine stationed at MCRD in Diego. Lots of fond memories growing up in So'Cal, but like anything else in life we move on to bigger and better things. I can just imagine what it would have been like to play at the professional level, but a cheap shot to the knee ended that dream a long time ago.

Ha! I finally went to the blog you guys mentioned at site www.DolphinsTruth.com

DC, I don't think the CBA has anything to do with it. Surely rookies paying $30-$40,000 dinner bills 20 years ago is just as deplorable as now, no?

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