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Joe Philbin press conference (tape review)

Joe Philbin and his coaching staff study the tape of every game the Dolphins play after the fact and meet with the team to make corrections. Well, on Monday, the Dolphins coach was in front of his biggest forum -- a group of about 75 media representing more attention-grabbing power than I've ever seen at a club presser -- and he put on his best face to address perhaps the ugliest set of facts ever faced by the franchise.

Philbin had to discuss the Jonathan Martin-Richie Incognito mess. And below you will find what he said. And below the coach's comments, I will give you my thoughts on what was said as I see fit.

Think of it as going back to the film and correcting the mistakes or issues.

(Opening statement) – “I thought I would start out the press conference by giving you a little of a background on some of the events that have occurred during the last week. Last Monday evening in preparation prior to our preparation for practice against the Cincinnati Bengals, Jonathan Martin left our facility prior to that practice after an incident occurred in our team dining room. Later that evening, he contacted a member of our organization. Soon thereafter I contacted Jonathan personally, requested a meeting with him, at which he readily accepted. I met with him later that evening. We had a good discussion. Throughout the course of the week, I was in contact on multiple occasions with him and members of his family. I spoke to him the day after the game, and I spoke to members of his family over the course of the weekend. As the weekend unfolded, early on Sunday, as you well know, as an organization we released a statement that was 100 percent factual. Soon thereafter, we were contacted by representatives of Jonathan, and before I say that I should let you know that in all my discussions with Jonathan and members of his family, at no time were there any accusations or allegations of misconduct by any members of this team or organization. Later on Sunday, we were contacted by one of his representatives where they in fact had some concerns over player conduct that had occurred. We immediately took those concerns very, very seriously.

Our owner, Steve Ross who has been involved throughout the entire process, contacted the commissioner, Roger Goodell, and requested that the NFL become involved and conduct a review of the work place. We issued a second statement noting we had received information that we were taking very seriously and that we were gathering information on. Throughout the course of the day, we gathered more and more information. At the end of the day, I decided to suspend Richie Incognito based on the information I had at that time. The NFL is going to conduct a review of the work place. It’s going to be comprehensive. It’s going to be objective, and we are going to give as an organization our full and complete co-operation with the NFL. That’s really where things are as of today.

I want you to know as the head coach of the Miami Dolphins I am in charge of the work place atmosphere. Since April 10, 2012 when the players first came here and I was the head coach, every decision I’ve made and everything we’ve done to the facility has been done with one thing in mind, and that is to help our players and our organization reach their full potential. Any type of conduct, behavior that detracts from that behavior is not acceptable and is not tolerated.

Two of my children go to school here right behind here at the University School. As a parent, when they walk through those doors I have certain expectations that the administration, the teachers and the staff are going to create a safe atmosphere where my children can learn and develop as people. This is no different. I take this responsibility very seriously that these players when they walk in this door they feel like they have the best medical care, the best strength and conditioning care, the best coaching, the best fields to practice on, the best technology and the best classrooms to learn in. That’s very important to me. I will tell you if the review shows that this is not a safe atmosphere, I will take whatever measures are necessary to ensure that it is. I have that obligation to the players that I coach on a daily basis, and I will do that. Any questions on that?"

Salguero: I find it strange that in this account Martin met with Philbin the same day he supposedly went AWOL. And yet with the troubling issues that caused him to flee the Dolphins still so fresh, the player could not bring himself to tell Philbin what was troubling him. If that is the case, what the heck did the coach and the player talk about? Zone blocking schemes? I mean, your player leaves the team. You bring him back for a meeting. Question No. 2, after how are you feeling, is why did you leave? Did Philbin ask? Did Martin answer in a fashion that the coach was still unaware about why his player left after that meeting ended?

Also, Philbin and the Dolphins talked to Martin's representation and his family. And still the club didn't know what was troubling Martin on Thursday? How about on Friday when Philbin was asked about reports of misconduct and bullying in the locker room?

How is it the media seemed to know and was reporting on what was troubling Jonathan Martin before Joe Philbin and the Dolphins knew? And how is it that after seeing those reports and talking to the Martin camp some more, the Dolphins still believed the reports to be "speculation" until late Sunday afternoon?

I mean, where are the people and communication skills?

(On if he has talked to Richie Incognito and if he is satisfied with his apology) -  “I’ve been in contact with Richie. Any conversation that I have with any football player on this team are personal and confidential in nature."

Salguero: Bad answer. Sure, it gets Philbin out of having to explain the talk and thus gives him all sorts of plausible deniability about what was said. But ... I'm sure Dolphins fans might have felt better about their coach's leadership ability if he'd said that he explained to Incognito that evidence against him was strong and that he had no tolerance for the stuff the evidence (ie texts and a voicemail message) shows Incognito to have said and written.

(On if he had an inkling that anything like this was going on in the locker room before last Monday) - “That falls under what the NFL review is here for."

Salguero: So earlier in this very presser Philbin says Martin told him nothing specific of the issue and now he's refusing to answer the question? Raises suspicion.

(On if he personally had any idea incidents were going on) – “Again, I want to make clear this. My focus right now is on the men in the locker room, preparing our football team to play the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I will give my full and complete and total corporation with the NFL. When that takes place, the timeline on that I don’t have the specifics of. I will tell you I will be in full and complete co-operation with them. I will answer everything honestly to the best of my knowledge. But what I would like to make sure what everybody understands is that there are not going to be comments during the course of this investigation until we get all of the information and we come together on that information."

Salguero: Philbin is basically saying "I'll tell the NFL what I know. You, the media, not so much." What he needs to start realizing is something Jimmy Johnson and Don Shula knew almost instinctively: When you are speaking at a press conference, you're not really talking to reporters. You are talking to your players. You are talking to your opponents. You are talking to your organization. Most importantly, you are talking to your fans. When he blows off questions, he's blowing off opportunities. And he's blowing off fans.

(On how he missed incidents of what could be deemed hazing or bullying from Richie Incognito on national television last year) - “What was that?"

(On Richie Incognito’s incidents on television last year where he hacked into Facebook accounts and talking about someone’s girlfriend) – “I never saw it."

(On if he never saw the incidents with Richie Incognito on Hard Knocks) -  “I never saw it. What was it on TV, on Hard Knocks? I never saw the show, not once. I was working at the time.”

Salguero: The coach has said numerous times he didn't think Hard Knocks helped the Dolphins or hurt the Dolphins at all last year. Except he apparently formed that opinion without even knowing what was on the show? Hurts his credibility.

(On if incidents staying inside the locker room are part of the NFL) - “Again I think each locker room has its own culture, it’s own identity. I can’t speak to other locker rooms and how they do things.”

Salguero: Excellent escape. But everyone it recognizes for what it is -- avoiding the question.

(On if he has seen rookies getting picked on in a locker room) - “I personally think laughter in a work environment is a good thing. Not at the expense of an individual, but I think laughter can be a healthy, productive thing. But not in a demeaning way at the expense of an individual.”

Salguero: Good answer.

(On what he saw Sunday night that made him say Richie Incognito needed to be suspended) - “Again, the information that I received I took under consideration and I felt this was the appropriate action. I’m not going to get into the specifics of what it was, but I had enough information I felt to make a good decision. That’s exactly what I did."

Salguero: Coach's on a roll. Two good answers in a row. Can he do three?

(On if Richie Incognito being on the team’s leadership council was a trust that was misplaced) - “The leadership council is selected by the players. I have a lot of confidence in our players. I have a lot of confidence in the locker room, the character of the men we have in the locker room. He was selected by his teammates."

Salguero: Three in a row!

(On if there is racism on his team) - “Again, that’s going to fall under the review of the NFL.”

Salguero: Again, a terrible answer. By not answering, you are basically opening the door to the possibility there is racism on your team. If your answer to this question cannot be a resounding, emphatic "Hell no" you did something wrong in the building of your team.

(On if he has addressed the team about the situation) - “We’ve addressed it in a team meeting, yes.”

Salguero: Good.

(On if he spoke with Richie Incognito after his initial conversation with Jonathan Martin) - “Again, I’m not going to get into discussions I have had. I don’t do that with any situation.”

Salguero: Crappy question. Already been asked. And coach, you would be wise to acknowledge that you spoke to Incognito because he's your player, too (for now) and he deserves fair treatment and an audience with you. You gave him that audience. It's alright to admit it. It's not a revelation of state secrets to admit to talking to a player.

(On if he thought it was a serious matter based off his initial conversation with Jonathan Martin) - “He never mentioned to me any accusation of any inappropriate behavior. (It) was never mentioned to me at any point, not in the meeting I had with him, not in the phone conversation I had with him."

Salguero: Honest. Forthright. And a terrible fact for Philbin and the Dolphins because, again, the media found out before you did, Joe.

(On if Jonathan Martin’s representation presented evidence against one player or multiple players) - “A player.”

Salguero: Honest.

(On how likely it is that Jonathan Martin or Richie Incognito play for the Dolphins again) - “Again, right now the focus is on the football team, the men in the locker room right now (and) preparing our team for Tampa Bay. There will be a time and a place for all of that stuff."

Salguero: Don't want to nitpick so this is fine.

(On if the last four days have been miserable for him) - “Absolutely not. It’s a privilege to serve as the head coach of the Miami Dolphins. I feel fortunate every single day I come to work. I work with a great group of men, a great staff, support staff. Absolutely not.”

Salguero: Best answer of the entire presser. Philbin finished strong.

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Without a doubt we don't have a clear or full picture of the Incognito-Martin situation. However, both have good support among other players on the team, Incognito perhaps more than Martin.

I believe the relationship between the two was mostly out in the open and it was friendly as well as competitive- many photos and videos on the internet show it as such. Martin also participated in the pranking of other players.

Did Incognito go overboard in his digging at Martin? Probably beyond that which a layman would expect. But apparently not to the players seeing and hearing the everyday activities between the two.

billcale starts off saying without a doubt we don't have a full picture of the situation, yet in the next paragraph gives a detailed view of what he believes about the situation...of course based on nothing.

Another really dumb poster.

"The Dolphins have jeopardized their whole season by suspending Richie Incognito. He is a mainstay on that left side and vital to the team. If you want to punish him, fine him. Make him pay money. But do not reward the New England Patriots for what Richie allegedly did. No not reward the Jets.

Essentially, that's what Joe Philbin is doing. Miami is a weaker team without Incognito. Joe Philbin is making the team weaker. We cannot emphasize that enough." www.Dolphinstruth.com

Are these guys serious? I mean have they even watched his play over the last two seasons? I believe Philbin is making the team weaker, but to put Cogs on a pedestal like this is simply mind boggling. For the most part I agree with their comments, but this one is simply out there.

Ditka was a criminal as a coach in Chicago...He had oneof his players take ou the kicker on a kickoff and broke the guys arm.

Those are NOT legitimate threats, and that was NOT bullying, extortion, or hazing. He was JOKING with the young kid and picking on him a little. Geez. You're all pansies! Hostile Workplace? GTFOH!

Who keeps those voicemails for months anyway? Obviously a JOKING voicemail. He is a weirdo.

Without a doubt, we have no idea which came first, the chicken or the egg...but I believe somewhere between 110001 years BC and 1100003 years BC, one of them came first on a cloudy day with a northeast wind in the Fall.

WashPhin

When racial tapes and text come out as they have, the organization really has no choice. To fine the player and let them play is then a contradiction to everything they and the NFL preach. It was either the Fins suspend him or the NFL would, and in the NFL's eyes, it is better if the team takes the initiative.

God are you guys just plain dumb.

Incognito belongs in jail not on a football field.


God are you guys just plain dumb.

Posted by: Sad but True | November 05, 2013 at 01:57 PM

We just love someone so smart like you telling everyone they're dumb. Change your name to Craig M.

Get lost ya beatnick!

I am very disappointed in you Mando, you're throwing Philbin under the bus without even knowing the facts. I can watch that press conference and gather that Philbin is being forthcoming and honest with his answers. He is a man with great integrity and I think you know that. He may not always answer the question with a lot of insight and yes he may dance around questions, but he never straight up lies about things. I'm pretty sure J. Martin didn't tell anyone right away because he probably wasn't quite sure what he was going to do (does he just try to deal with it himself, does he ask for a trade) I'm sure he didn't want to say anything and make the organization look bad or cause more conflict within the locker room. He himself is a stand-up guy as well. I think the only one in the wrong here is Incognito. I understand picking at some one, but there is no excuse for the treatment he gave Jonathan. Don't start blaming Philbin and Ireland, when I'm sure they didn't have any knowledge of this, and when they were made aware of what was going on they acted quickly and decisively.

Posted by: Sad but True | November 05, 2013 at 01:57 PM

You misunderstood my post. I was not crying about the loss of the turd, I was commenting on them making him sound like he was our only hope on the left side of the line, which Gardner showed he was more than capable of handling. Cogs suspension is something I applaud, not despise.

How many coaches are "forthright"? They don't call it "coachspeak" for no reason. What would you expect him to say?

The fact they have mandatory pressers is a joke. This is what you're going to get when you force someone to speak. NOTHING!

Once Martin told Philbin about the VM all Philbin had to do in April/May/June/July/Aug was fine and suspend Incognito for 'conduct detrimental to the team' for a game and that may have been the end of it. It just speaks to the lack of overall accountability in the whole organization. They don't want to hire a real coach so end up with an unqualified assistant ala Sporano. Maybe now they will clean house.

I wouldnt want Incognito on my team. The way he treats a fellow teammate is totally disgusting. If they were at war Martin would die from "friendly fire". Glad we are finally rid of his antics.

This is everyday locker room stuff. Sorry that hurts most peoples feelings. Everyone on ESPN, FOX, or only saying what the public wants to hear. That's it! You think Ditka was Mr. nice guy to rookies in the day.. HA! If you watched the video it was pointed out clear as day. "you normal people would not understand" unless you have been in a locker room, played football, you do not understand. Statements,like "hey biatch" "your mamma scks", and all the other crap you have read and heard is everyday between these guys. Hell we used to put itching powder and icey hot in jockstraps..and more..we used to call each other all sorts of names, and if your skin was not thick enough to handle it you quit. God we were horrible people..if any part was a little over the edge it was the killing your family part..but I do not think it was intended as the media has made it out to be..locker room is the locker room, its family, it stays in house, you break that code and you have no place to go. If things go to far, their was always coach, and other guys on the team that new when it went to far and would step in.. that's family, that's team..

In previous interviews with reporters, Incognito and his father indicated other students ridiculed him for being overweight as a child, especially during sixth grade in Glendale, Ariz. His father, Richie Sr., a Vietnam veteran, told NFL.com that he gave his son advice: "If you let anyone give you (expletive) now, you're going to take (expletive) your entire life."

It's a common cycle for victims of various kinds of abuse, including bullying. Those who suffered often repeat the abuse themselves, especially when they accumulate power over others when they get older.

"When somebody is bullied or there's any type of abuse in their life, we see the cycle of abuse repeated in many different ways," said Shana Alexander, a psychologist in California who has worked with sports teams. "They act out sometimes all the way through their lives. Unless that person can recognize they have issues and want to change that pattern, it tends to want to repeat itself."
move on

Are we still talking about this? This is a joke ........people are actually calling this the Incognito abuse case. Guys, I live in Los Angeles, the land of liberals and even these people think this is stupid

2 watt thinks anyone cares about his dim witt opinion?

The point that is being missed through all of this hoopla it the fact that most NFL players have come from poor backgrounds, crooks, thieves, drug dealers, and gang bangers. There are no angles in the locker room, this whole incident has been blown way out of proportion due to the new politically correct society that we live in today. Bullying has been a hot topic for some time now, so I am not surprised that it has gotten this much attention in the media.

how 'bout dem canes
armando new blog move on
enuff

Nope 2 watt all is quiet on the southeastern front today. No news, just old news.

I'm sure the Incognito voice mail wasn't intentionally mean spirited. However, once landing into the wrong hands(mediate, etc....

IT JUST DOESN'T READ VERY WELL!

Problem with Cogs, his issues plagued background finally caught up with him. With his past issues, going all the way back o college, he most of all needed for something like this to pop up in his jacket.

Really a shame that an NFL career has to end like this. WOW!

At night...

Actually, 2 NFL careers have ended over this matter. Both Cogs and Martin. Martin's career is basically over because he'll be shunned by other players, no matter the Dolphins locker room or any other locker room in the NFL.

Martin's best recourse is to now seek legal litigational $Rewards$.

Marc @ 1:54, now this is one thing we can agree on ... joking maybe not but making the most of something totally uncommon in the NFL environment, totally!

2 watt thinks anyone cares about his dim witt opinion?
Posted by: hhahahaaaaahaaaahaaahaaa | November 05, 2013 at 02:21 PM
opines huh?
i have nuttin but fax jax
lol

sam, if the vix and such get another shot
cogz will

Sea @ 2:09, martin sat on the VM until last Sunday .. the fault is with him, not the coach

Not at his age 2 watt, his career is done.

It's obvious now why our O line was not in sync, THEY DID NOT HAVE EACH OTHERS BACKS, I knew they had the talent to be at least a sevicable O line. I bet they get better now with a new left side. As far as what some are saying about Martin, I don't think he was the one who instigated the charges, I think after he showed them to his parents it was them who forced the issue. I saw earlier someone who said J-Mart is basically a 23 yr old kid in a mans body, that's true to a point, but remember he went to Stanford and does not need football to make a career for himself and that could have been what made it easier to walk out { which I think was the wrong way to go about it } there are many who are in part culpable for this issue. More to come...... stay tuned

Armando's tweet says most of the information out there comes from the Martin camp... and this is the faaag some you guys defend ... pfft

Guy is as big a cancer as Incognito... please never let him back near this team. He broke the code and make him pay

2watt Vick was a 1st offense. Cogs has been troubled through college and his last NFL team(RAM) prior to coming to Miami.

Cogs will be viewed as already having a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th chance. Cogs will most likely be viewed as INCURRUGIBLE.

Shame, because he probably wasn't being mean spirited. Martin basically viewed as "being soft" by the entire locker room and Cogs thought that he was "toughening Martin up".

The day after George Zimmerman was found not guilty, Ryan Klannehill tweeted out a photo of his wife shooting a gun. Why do that? Why do that the day after Zimmerman gets away with killing a black kid?

Ireland brought in all the racists. This team is racist.

Mark I believe both Martin and Cog's career is now over. Dolphins just not in position top let Martin go.

I'm sure the Dolphins hope Martin gets his legal pay day and just fade away. Im sure the locker room doesn't want Martin back either.

I never thought there'd be a time when I was tired of hearing Dolphin news. All the times in offseason that I begged for something to read seems silly now with so many articles and comments. This season and all the uncertainties can't be over quick enough. Will we have a winning record, will we once again start over with new coaches and staff, what really happened with Martin and Ingotnito, will Sherman build on last week or go back to abandoning the run, can the secondary stay healthy, will FAs still come to Miami or will we go back to 2012, will we have a winning record? The great Lamar Miller run then fumble against the Bengals was a prime example of what it's like to be a dedicated fan, moments of extreme happiness immediately followed by extreme disappointment. As a Phin fan Im used to the roller coaster of emotions, but this is getting out of hand. Seems I'm getting to the same conclusion year after year...maybe next year. Those first three games were the worst thing that could have happened, I had faith in the team, was proud to say I was a Dolphins fan, and I thought we were finally there after 20 years. I was at the New Orleans game and the only thing worse than the Who Dat chants and being harassed after the game, was the realization that we were still the same dolphins of the last 20 years...hoping for next year. All the talent, the new regime, winning 3 tough games in a row, finally pride and hope and now we're back in a very familiar place that we can't seem to get out of. Oh how I miss the days of no news and...hope.

After seeing how NFL locker rooms operate, "Cotton Candy" Martin probably wants no more parts of an NFL locker room anyway.

I'm fairly sure Martin will get his legal pay day and run.

Blame Ireland, another wasted 2ND RD PICK, and he took one of Ireland's 2 PRIZED ACORNS down with him.

Cogs and Wake have been the only Ireland acorns to become pro bowlers. Great work Jeffy(sarcasm).

Mark you may/may not be right about the VM time will tell but Philbin still should have acted way sooner ..

ESPN and various media reports highlighted Incognito's persistent harassment and bullying of Martin over the past year and a half.

year and 1/2 (!) - so either Philbin knew and did nothing or didn't know cause he is out of it - still speaks to the lack of accountability of the organization. Even Now Ross doesn't have a clue - is going to depend on the league office. He should sell the team to Cuban

john
no news is good news
lol

cogz prob. saw alot of himself in jmart

No SB win in 43 years. And I guess the next few years are out of the question LOL

If I were interviewing Martin before the draft. My first question would be "Son, can you please remove your shirt."

Next response to Martin would be "BOO!" Then watch him jump out of his skin.

Would have been a dead give away as to how soft he really is.

Incognito was clearly a cancer to his teammates. Lets get J Martin back soon and move on.

This got lost in the shuffle, but I wanted to point it out since I've been so hard on him last few years, but Egnew had a heck of a game Thursday. By far his best outing as a Dolphin. I can even see room for him on this team if he keeps improving and showing he can help the team. Good work Michael.

With teamates like Cognito who needs opponents?

It's funny how optimistic us fans and the team were after 3-0... this has gotten ridiculous. Worst team collapse I've ever witnessed by this team.

Ireland back on the Cowboy signing kick! A practice squader from Dallas!

Why? Because the guy he picked(Dalla Thomas) is unmitigated trash.

Hey Mark in toronto... What's up with your mayor Ford? crackhead alcoholic? really? Now I've nothing gainst canada or toronto but that's just crazy news...

Ross should sell the team to ANYONE and take his loss. He's a horrible excuse for a sports owner. Most fans and the community hate him. Most of his decisions or indecisions are mind boggling. Remember he tried to hire a HC before firing his? LMAO How about asking for taxpayer charity before he had even ONE winning season? Or keeping the incompetent Ireland for SIX YEARS? YIKES!

A few days have passed and I still support Incognito 100%. I am starting to believe that Jonathan Martin is just a super weird guy that has severe mental issues and just snapped from all his adversity. The texts and voicemails seemed like good natured ribbing to me. Martin screwed himself, another player and his team. He should never step foot on an NFL field again. I hope somehow Incognito can play for the Dolphins again.

Mark,
We know that you were never on board with the Martin pick and this seems to be getting in the way of your judgement in this situation. Guy was a LT for a top program in the Pac 12 and took care of Luck's back for several years. He was graded a 1st Rd pick by several experts going into the draft day. If you agree or not with that grading it's a different story. Most of the people who do work in the NFL would've picked him around the 2nd just like Ireland did.

Seems to me that you call Martin is soft just because he didn't go all ghetto on Richie. Maybe to you pulling a gun ala Burress would be a correct action. Like everyone knows, Martin is a smart guy with a greatgrandfather, grandfather and parents who are Harvard educated. Perhaps being a thug is not in him and he took the road anyone of us would take if confronted by a similar situation in our place of work.

I'm tired of people thinking that because this is a physical sport that needs to translate to acting all neanderthal outside the field. The NFL is a business and the players and coaches are its employees. They should follow a standard set of conduct just like everyone else does in their place of work.

It is also laughable that you and other folks think that the voicemail RI sent are not as bad and just another joke in what seems to be the norm in the NFL. I don't know about you, but at least where I work, our jokes never include words like 'i'm gonna kill you' or 'i'll slap your mother silly'...Even when I was a competitive athlete in a team sport pranks or jokes never included those words. Sure, we shaved guys during spring training or have them carry bags for a week but once the season starts you keep it normal.


Ireland has no blame in this. Out of Anything give Ireland credit for staying with Incognito for so long.

Incognito had to go this offseason. Not now. Not after all this.

Posted by: Dashi | November 05, 2013 at 11:23 AM

Dashi-
I will never understand how you continually live in denial. So, after all of this, you still support Jeff Ireland? Wasn't Cogs brought in by Ireland in 2010? Wasn't Ireland the one who drafted Martin? Isn't Ireland the one who has brought MULTIPLE failures to the organization, including the new coaching staff that appears to be completely incompetant and clueless on how to handle a so called "bullying" episode that the rest of the NFL teams seem to deal with in the locker-room? Seriously, lose your blind loyalty of this guy. It's insulting to the rest of us that give a damn.

Sam, I agree with you. Both are done.... Martin is on borrowed time, they probably give him paid leave of absence "to sort out his issues" then come camp, he gets beat out and they cut him on Aug 31 or whatever teh final day is so he can't catch on somewhere else ... not that anyone would want him. NFL still has a guy code in there and there is no room for snitches or rats or guys that can't defend themselves (again not talking violence here)

But DC, wasn't Egnew embarassed and bullied by his coach last year???

Funny how different characters respond. Egnew has shown everyone what kind of man he is... can mock everything about this man except his mental toughness...

If Martin can't handle ribbing in the locker room. How's he gonna handle opponents doing it every play?

He is weak physically to begin with. Now throw opponents chiming in every play?

It's best we see Martin for what he is now before we waste another 1-2 years for him hoping he bcomes mediocre.

End the experiment now!

Why haven't we heard ANYTHING fro the offensive leader, Ryan Tannehill? He had to be aware of this!

Ok. Let me tell you exactly what happened: Martin is treated as a rookie his first year, just like any other rookie in any other sport

Cogs is a loud mouthed douchebag, but Martin is a sissy that probably should be an interior designer rather than an nfl player. That voicemail is 6 months old, and they have been filmed being buddy buddy since. Cogs was obviously kidding, pansy Martin brings this to light after they bring in McKinney, and he loses his left tackle spot. The phony media is running with all the PC crap because that's what they do.

beerphin, now that Incognito is doing nothing, I'd love to send him to city hall. Our mayor is a complete disgrace.... my favourite response to his crack use ...

"I don't really remember it, must have been after one of my drunken stupors"

goodness gracious, alcohol abuse is only another black mark on your rep, u fat fukk, it is not a crutch to be used to discount illicit drug use.

And the stubborn arse won't step down either. he says, "I made a mistake and all we can do is move on" uhhh, no, you didn't lose your car keys or forget to bring home the milk, you broke the law you horse's arse, step down like a man ,... fukkin joke this guy is.

Another reason why I don't believe in voting or will ever vote as long as I live. All politicians are corrupt swindlers and abusers of public funds... largest and most credible form of organized crime is politics...

Arturo if you think going "ghetto" was my solution, then you didn't read all my posts. I did say there were several options which included a sports psychologist the team employs. He took the worst route possible... he went outside the circle ... no excuse for breaking tha code in season. Just a pathetic human being.

And as far as grading goes, looks like my assessment from his combine results told the whole story before it unfolded on the field. Soft and slow. I beat ESPN and CBS or whoever's grading system u are referring to hands down on this case.

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