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Joe Philbin press conference (tape review)

Joe Philbin and his coaching staff study the tape of every game the Dolphins play after the fact and meet with the team to make corrections. Well, on Monday, the Dolphins coach was in front of his biggest forum -- a group of about 75 media representing more attention-grabbing power than I've ever seen at a club presser -- and he put on his best face to address perhaps the ugliest set of facts ever faced by the franchise.

Philbin had to discuss the Jonathan Martin-Richie Incognito mess. And below you will find what he said. And below the coach's comments, I will give you my thoughts on what was said as I see fit.

Think of it as going back to the film and correcting the mistakes or issues.

(Opening statement) – “I thought I would start out the press conference by giving you a little of a background on some of the events that have occurred during the last week. Last Monday evening in preparation prior to our preparation for practice against the Cincinnati Bengals, Jonathan Martin left our facility prior to that practice after an incident occurred in our team dining room. Later that evening, he contacted a member of our organization. Soon thereafter I contacted Jonathan personally, requested a meeting with him, at which he readily accepted. I met with him later that evening. We had a good discussion. Throughout the course of the week, I was in contact on multiple occasions with him and members of his family. I spoke to him the day after the game, and I spoke to members of his family over the course of the weekend. As the weekend unfolded, early on Sunday, as you well know, as an organization we released a statement that was 100 percent factual. Soon thereafter, we were contacted by representatives of Jonathan, and before I say that I should let you know that in all my discussions with Jonathan and members of his family, at no time were there any accusations or allegations of misconduct by any members of this team or organization. Later on Sunday, we were contacted by one of his representatives where they in fact had some concerns over player conduct that had occurred. We immediately took those concerns very, very seriously.

Our owner, Steve Ross who has been involved throughout the entire process, contacted the commissioner, Roger Goodell, and requested that the NFL become involved and conduct a review of the work place. We issued a second statement noting we had received information that we were taking very seriously and that we were gathering information on. Throughout the course of the day, we gathered more and more information. At the end of the day, I decided to suspend Richie Incognito based on the information I had at that time. The NFL is going to conduct a review of the work place. It’s going to be comprehensive. It’s going to be objective, and we are going to give as an organization our full and complete co-operation with the NFL. That’s really where things are as of today.

I want you to know as the head coach of the Miami Dolphins I am in charge of the work place atmosphere. Since April 10, 2012 when the players first came here and I was the head coach, every decision I’ve made and everything we’ve done to the facility has been done with one thing in mind, and that is to help our players and our organization reach their full potential. Any type of conduct, behavior that detracts from that behavior is not acceptable and is not tolerated.

Two of my children go to school here right behind here at the University School. As a parent, when they walk through those doors I have certain expectations that the administration, the teachers and the staff are going to create a safe atmosphere where my children can learn and develop as people. This is no different. I take this responsibility very seriously that these players when they walk in this door they feel like they have the best medical care, the best strength and conditioning care, the best coaching, the best fields to practice on, the best technology and the best classrooms to learn in. That’s very important to me. I will tell you if the review shows that this is not a safe atmosphere, I will take whatever measures are necessary to ensure that it is. I have that obligation to the players that I coach on a daily basis, and I will do that. Any questions on that?"

Salguero: I find it strange that in this account Martin met with Philbin the same day he supposedly went AWOL. And yet with the troubling issues that caused him to flee the Dolphins still so fresh, the player could not bring himself to tell Philbin what was troubling him. If that is the case, what the heck did the coach and the player talk about? Zone blocking schemes? I mean, your player leaves the team. You bring him back for a meeting. Question No. 2, after how are you feeling, is why did you leave? Did Philbin ask? Did Martin answer in a fashion that the coach was still unaware about why his player left after that meeting ended?

Also, Philbin and the Dolphins talked to Martin's representation and his family. And still the club didn't know what was troubling Martin on Thursday? How about on Friday when Philbin was asked about reports of misconduct and bullying in the locker room?

How is it the media seemed to know and was reporting on what was troubling Jonathan Martin before Joe Philbin and the Dolphins knew? And how is it that after seeing those reports and talking to the Martin camp some more, the Dolphins still believed the reports to be "speculation" until late Sunday afternoon?

I mean, where are the people and communication skills?

(On if he has talked to Richie Incognito and if he is satisfied with his apology) -  “I’ve been in contact with Richie. Any conversation that I have with any football player on this team are personal and confidential in nature."

Salguero: Bad answer. Sure, it gets Philbin out of having to explain the talk and thus gives him all sorts of plausible deniability about what was said. But ... I'm sure Dolphins fans might have felt better about their coach's leadership ability if he'd said that he explained to Incognito that evidence against him was strong and that he had no tolerance for the stuff the evidence (ie texts and a voicemail message) shows Incognito to have said and written.

(On if he had an inkling that anything like this was going on in the locker room before last Monday) - “That falls under what the NFL review is here for."

Salguero: So earlier in this very presser Philbin says Martin told him nothing specific of the issue and now he's refusing to answer the question? Raises suspicion.

(On if he personally had any idea incidents were going on) – “Again, I want to make clear this. My focus right now is on the men in the locker room, preparing our football team to play the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I will give my full and complete and total corporation with the NFL. When that takes place, the timeline on that I don’t have the specifics of. I will tell you I will be in full and complete co-operation with them. I will answer everything honestly to the best of my knowledge. But what I would like to make sure what everybody understands is that there are not going to be comments during the course of this investigation until we get all of the information and we come together on that information."

Salguero: Philbin is basically saying "I'll tell the NFL what I know. You, the media, not so much." What he needs to start realizing is something Jimmy Johnson and Don Shula knew almost instinctively: When you are speaking at a press conference, you're not really talking to reporters. You are talking to your players. You are talking to your opponents. You are talking to your organization. Most importantly, you are talking to your fans. When he blows off questions, he's blowing off opportunities. And he's blowing off fans.

(On how he missed incidents of what could be deemed hazing or bullying from Richie Incognito on national television last year) - “What was that?"

(On Richie Incognito’s incidents on television last year where he hacked into Facebook accounts and talking about someone’s girlfriend) – “I never saw it."

(On if he never saw the incidents with Richie Incognito on Hard Knocks) -  “I never saw it. What was it on TV, on Hard Knocks? I never saw the show, not once. I was working at the time.”

Salguero: The coach has said numerous times he didn't think Hard Knocks helped the Dolphins or hurt the Dolphins at all last year. Except he apparently formed that opinion without even knowing what was on the show? Hurts his credibility.

(On if incidents staying inside the locker room are part of the NFL) - “Again I think each locker room has its own culture, it’s own identity. I can’t speak to other locker rooms and how they do things.”

Salguero: Excellent escape. But everyone it recognizes for what it is -- avoiding the question.

(On if he has seen rookies getting picked on in a locker room) - “I personally think laughter in a work environment is a good thing. Not at the expense of an individual, but I think laughter can be a healthy, productive thing. But not in a demeaning way at the expense of an individual.”

Salguero: Good answer.

(On what he saw Sunday night that made him say Richie Incognito needed to be suspended) - “Again, the information that I received I took under consideration and I felt this was the appropriate action. I’m not going to get into the specifics of what it was, but I had enough information I felt to make a good decision. That’s exactly what I did."

Salguero: Coach's on a roll. Two good answers in a row. Can he do three?

(On if Richie Incognito being on the team’s leadership council was a trust that was misplaced) - “The leadership council is selected by the players. I have a lot of confidence in our players. I have a lot of confidence in the locker room, the character of the men we have in the locker room. He was selected by his teammates."

Salguero: Three in a row!

(On if there is racism on his team) - “Again, that’s going to fall under the review of the NFL.”

Salguero: Again, a terrible answer. By not answering, you are basically opening the door to the possibility there is racism on your team. If your answer to this question cannot be a resounding, emphatic "Hell no" you did something wrong in the building of your team.

(On if he has addressed the team about the situation) - “We’ve addressed it in a team meeting, yes.”

Salguero: Good.

(On if he spoke with Richie Incognito after his initial conversation with Jonathan Martin) - “Again, I’m not going to get into discussions I have had. I don’t do that with any situation.”

Salguero: Crappy question. Already been asked. And coach, you would be wise to acknowledge that you spoke to Incognito because he's your player, too (for now) and he deserves fair treatment and an audience with you. You gave him that audience. It's alright to admit it. It's not a revelation of state secrets to admit to talking to a player.

(On if he thought it was a serious matter based off his initial conversation with Jonathan Martin) - “He never mentioned to me any accusation of any inappropriate behavior. (It) was never mentioned to me at any point, not in the meeting I had with him, not in the phone conversation I had with him."

Salguero: Honest. Forthright. And a terrible fact for Philbin and the Dolphins because, again, the media found out before you did, Joe.

(On if Jonathan Martin’s representation presented evidence against one player or multiple players) - “A player.”

Salguero: Honest.

(On how likely it is that Jonathan Martin or Richie Incognito play for the Dolphins again) - “Again, right now the focus is on the football team, the men in the locker room right now (and) preparing our team for Tampa Bay. There will be a time and a place for all of that stuff."

Salguero: Don't want to nitpick so this is fine.

(On if the last four days have been miserable for him) - “Absolutely not. It’s a privilege to serve as the head coach of the Miami Dolphins. I feel fortunate every single day I come to work. I work with a great group of men, a great staff, support staff. Absolutely not.”

Salguero: Best answer of the entire presser. Philbin finished strong.

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AAnd I never excused RI's VM. As a matter of fact, I also said many times just because I am anti fat arse fruitcake, I am not pro Incognito. The two are not mutually exclusive as I posted this morning.

They should both be fired - that's always been my stance and this case is one of the best examples of two wrongs don't make a right.

SOOOOOOO sick of hearing about his stuff....

While other teams are talking about playoffs and what they need to do to get there we're talking bout this soap opera. We should be talking about our big winThursday and what we need to do to win Monday. Instead we're a National embarrasment and there's page after page of drivel. Who cares!

And how can people be so quick to fire people when we don't even know the facts? Could it be that these same guys are the ones that wanted Philbin, Sherman and Ireland fired in the first place? Talk about a HUGE overeaction by the fanbase. There's a REASON why the NFL is investigating this thing......'cause we don't know all the facts yet. But it's the same 'knee jerk' clowns rushing to judgement right away. I hope to God you run your own lives this way, 'cause you must be friggin' disasters.

For the record, Ireland was involved in the process to hire Philbin. He did not hire Philbin. That would be Stephen Ross. He did not hire all the coaches. That would be the HC's job. Trying getting you head out of your ass, and putting your biases towards Ireland aside.

Notice I didn't sau Ireland gets a free pass on this before the illiterate start chiming in.

Trying getting you head out of your ass, and putting your biases towards Ireland aside.

Posted by: Craig M | November 05, 2013 at 03:49 PM

We'll put our bias aside when you stop defending him.

YOU DO ALL DAY EVERY DAY IN EVERY WAY. STOP DENYING!

Screw Martin, he wasn't threatened, he is a weak minded weirdo. Cogs is a slob but if he had any inkling or was serious he would not leave a damn voice mail. Martin needs to go open a flower shop and fade away.

Like I said......'the illiterate'. First guy up,posting right above.

Amazing!

Same guy.....changes his names CONSTANTLY and who's only mission here is to hound me. Hilarious!

Armando, how about following the Dolphins lead and suspending this guy PERMANENTLY. You've got all the evidence you need. He's the Internet tough guy equivalent of Richie Incognito.....except probably 200 pounds heavier.

Incognito was a terrible teammate. Now he's gone thank the lord. NUFF SAID.

PUT INCOGNITO AND POUNCEY IN JAIL!

Phinmanski,

'terrible teammate'????.......maybe you missed the players sticking up for him. Jake Long loved him like a brother. Haven't heard too many players sticking up for Martin.

You'd love to go to war with a guy like Cogs. 'Big Weirdo'? Not so much. Not unless it was a marshmallow eating contest or a spelling bee.

Another thing that says a lot about this group is that NONE of the veteran players seemed to step up to the situation. Where was Clabo or Pouncey on this? When this is going on for year and a half in your unit and you clearly stink as a group, it seems that the vets would stop this crap and focus on actually playing better. I guess Pouncey was to busy defending his pal Hernandez and Clabo was just preocupied in not sucking.

Craig, I'd hate to work for most of these people here, FIRE, FIRE, FIRE, they may as well go work for Roman Abromovich at Chelsea...

Mark, I guess all the soldiers who come back from war and have PTSD and snap one day are all wusses too in your opinion, right?

Take your gut out of it. Martin's obviously a kid that prefers to take the high road and instead of doing something the rest of us think would be rational (fight back or talk to someone in a position to assist), he kept his feeling in until he exploded.

Right or wrong, hard or soft, since this pretty much happens everyday in the NFL and this is one of the only guys who acted differently, he has some mental issue that precludes him from handling the situation like others do. Guess what, some people are mentally unbalanced. Some are even mentally challenged. Does that make them any less human? Just because our crap team isn't going anywhere for the, I don't know, 20th time in a row, just because we might have to accept some more losses because our soft-*ss, cream puff team can't beat the likes of the Bills with a THIRD-STRING QB, or Baltimore that's been whupped by everyone including a girl scouts squad, doesn't mean a man who is obviously hurting and psychologically impaired needs to put his own health aside for the sake of our entertainment. Sometimes, things are more important than work. I know that's a "socialist" viewpoint from a guy who needs workers to be the engine of the companies in the NASDAQ so you can legally gamble off their blood, sweat and tears, but the truth is we all die at some point. And you can't take the money with you. So better to have your health than anything else.

I hope this kid gets himself right. And I hope he goes on to have a great career...hopefully somewhere else. Maybe in the CFL (he might fit right in, who knows). But I'm not gonna kick a man when he's down. That's some punk sh*t if you ask me. It's like blaming the rape victim at the Naval Academy because she went public with her rape and others blame her for bringing shame to the Academy. Stop blaming the victim.

I am a dolphin fan and not one of those one that said we had to get rid of irland and this might not be his fault but he is the top boss. this is the third incident that put a black eye on the dolphins organization. first the dez bryant incident then trying to hire harbough while spo is coach and now this it is time for him to go. i remember when the duke players were accused of rape and the media said the school should shut down the program. i do not know what has/is going on but i like to find out all the evidence and the truth before i make my mind up. this could be very serious or it could be one person mad at a organization or Rickie was the best bully ever and bullied Martin around without any one knowing

Someone earlier summed it up best. Shula would never have a racist jackass like Cogs on his team.

Great timing by Martin, this has nothing to do with race and everything to do with him being moved to rt. unfortunately the dolphins can't cut this cancer even if they wanted to now. Thanks for wrecking any hope of a mid season push for a wildcard berth. Take up ballet Martin.

You don't fire the boss because two idiot workers don't get along. Proactive or reactive? What approach to take when everyone including the victim is laughing and all of this stuff is taking place.
Martin lost his nerve after New Orleans. It was pretty fragile anyway and his hidden dislike for his team surfaced in a way that spoke...How can I play well with all of this name calling?
A pox on both of em. And Cogs should never have used the n word in a text. Idiot.

I'd love to see the idiots that say Martin is "soft" work next to Incognito. That would be hilarious.

I believe that J. Martin is done with football. The fall out yet to happen will keep him out. The NFL will now issue new rules on locker room behavior that will surely upset the rest of the league and they will hold Martin responsible. My bet is the Ritchie lands with the jets next year or Raiders and martin will working in a library somewhere. Should have been handled internally.

You bring up some valid points Craig. The most important one is you stating that the Fins are a national embarrasment. Nobody gives a crap about our last win because the media is focused on a pretty big story that makes the organization look like the failure it is.

True, we need to wait for the facts. I agree with that as well. But the fact is, that Jeff Ireland is directly or indirectly related to every decision made in the Dolphins recent history that has made them a laughing stock. That INCLUDES influence over drafting and bringing in players like the ones we are discussing, as well as hiring the head coach. Are you naive to think that Ross, and only Ross, made that decision. Do you honestly think Philbin has handled this correctly and that he is in touch with his own players? After watching Hard Knocks last year, the first question I had is whether this guy has a clue on how to relate to his players.

As far as the assistant coaches are concerned, if anybody had an inkling of what was going on, they are automatically part of the charade and should be held accountable. But we really don't need an excuse to fire them. They suck on their own!

Mark,

Totally right. All to quick to pull the trigger without knowing all the facts....hilarious!

This stuff is all entrainment for me....an escape. I honestly couldn't care less who did what to who, just as I couldn't care less what actor is cheating on what actress. It's all a big soap opera to me and I find it all to be a big bore. Who knew what and when did he do know? Who cares!

I support the name on the front of the uniform and that's all I care about. life is serious. Enough without worrying about who did what to who. I doubt either one of these guys will be with the team next year and I say good riddance. neither one of them was that great anyways.

Mark,

Sorry I was a bit slow on the Abramovich comment.....too funny!

Posted by: DC Dolfan | November 05, 2013 at 04:03 PM

Hit the nail in the head. And I would argue that maybe Martin's only fault is coming from a great program in Stanford where your teammates actually behave like civilized human beings and not having the necessary experience to prepare in dealing with thugs like RI.
Sad that some want to put him at blame here...Even to those who question him on how he went about thi, I ask: what would you've done in his position? Go for help to the same players who actually put RI in the leadership council? Go to Philbin who actually seems clueless about what was going on or more interested in his saving his ass?

To me, if the rest of the team is hurt by Martin venting their crap, maybe they should've done more to prevent this from happening. If I was a member of this team and a veteran, especially, I would be embarrassed that I wasn't able to stop this or that I was clueless about this

DC, where do you go from there to soldiers???

And keep lardo out of my country...

And again, what would've been so wrong about talking to team management or the team psyhologist. I mean every workplace has an outside counsel you can speak to in case things go bad personally. And I know wvery team employs sportws psychologists.

Going outside the circle is totally fukkin wrong. No need to make this whole distraction to 51 other players and numerous coaches when they have a job to do. And if the NFL was not for him, then walk away and disappear. He's trying to get paid without working is what it looks more like to me. No different then the guy that "slips" at work and claims disability.

Agree Craig, f*** em both and long live the Dolphins...

tvegas,

Totally agree Ireland is responsible directly or indirectly for a lot of this. He drafted Martin, let Long go and entrusted Martin to get the job done, instead of finding somebody else. He's been proven wrong on Martin (despite the clowns on here who said lat year, 'Martin will be fine. He just needs to hit the hit the weight room'......yeah I'm looking at you LOL. Adamant you were on this point too......argued it over and over again.....WRONG).

tvegas, I'm not ready to get rid of Ireland or Philbin yet. kris says the team needs to win 10 games to be back next year. I don't agree. I think we need to see progress for Ireland to be back but I'm not ready to cast him aside yet.

And you really going to compare some fat asssss sitting on an alleged "threatening voicemail" for 7 months only to go work beside said psycho everyday to rape??? Shame, DC , shame on you for gettting swallowed up in this circus .....

Mark,

Totally agree with your posts at 4:20 and 4:21. Well done!

I'm out guys.....i look forward to getting back and talking football again instead of this drama. Cheers!

mark, it's shocking really that people of toronto/ government are paying for his crack addiction. I don't know but from what I heard crackheads usually have or had coke problems before using hard then when they try crack/ meth they usually are addicted from the first time. Now we also know that it wasn't even a one time thing by his own admission. The whole thing is mind-boggling. Now if he was just smoking reefer I'd find it excusable but we all know he is spending more than just twenty bucks on some rocks. Also how dumb could he be to light up in the hood where he is able to be filmed by gangbangers? Truly a shame corruption can run so rampant

Craig, please tell us about all the things you were right about & others have been wrong about.

We wait for it with such anticipation to marvel in your genius!

Right you are kid......good to see you're learning. Took a while,but you're not as thick as I thought.

No dude, the comparison was the reaction of blaming the victim. Whether Martin was a wuss or not, he didn't bring this on himself. He was the victim here. It's not his fault he's not aggressive. That's his nature. Whether he belongs in the sport is besides the point.

My point is he deserves compassion and empathy for obviously not being able to deal with the situation. You'll notice I give him that AND say I don't want him back on the team, but that's strictly for performance (or lack thereof). I want the best players on the team, and obviously he's not cutting it. But doesn't mean I'm going to demean the kid for being unstable.

And I'm swallowed up in the circus because the organization let this get to the point where an unstable player got pushed to his limit. That's everyone (coaches, players, everyone). Shouldn't never have gotten this far. And now we're 2 linemen down and have an otherwise winnable game coming up, and now who knows how the team will perform. And God forbid there are any more injuries on the OL.

DC,

Those linemen are no big loss. How many sacks have they given up between them. This year? Let's not pretend we're losing our. Best players here.

Anyways my opinion on Martin/Cogs, I think it's all on Martin. Incognito did cross the line with the racial slur no doubt but to not confront him privately and to just walk off and then rat hurts the team and all the players potentially for their entire career... Say we lose out possibly becuz we sustain more injuries to line then we are outta depth. How many players/ coaches will be cut /fired? Incognito alone is looking at the end of career as a possibility and most def losing out on his paychecks for games which adds up to close to a couple million $. Incognito crossed a line but I believe they are friends atleast a lil bit outside of the team and we really don't know in what context incognito was saying these things. Maybe he thought it was okay with Martin how he joked with him becuz of his lack of a voice on it then acting okay in person together. Misunderstandings happen but to not resolve an issue when it happens and to let it drag you down and ultimately the team is on Martin. He should have manned up and spoken about it with him and if he was scared do it with the leadership council present. Martin has hurt the entire organization. simple. That said Incognito has a drinking problem and could use help with anger issues which he openly agrees with and has talked about.

Que, son gansos los dos? Armando?

DC, Martin can't control being a puss or the things done to him agreed, but he could've done things a right way ... this was the worst way possible...

I am glad we are rid of both of them. Seriously Cogs was bound to do something stupid eventually as history showed and Martin has bigger issues. Neither is a huge loss for production. Ireland is at fault for those.

Bigger issue who is are leaders of this team? And is Philbin the guy who can motivate and unite a team? next 8 games will dictate if there is a complete overhall.

SOOOOOOO sick of hearing about his stuff....

While other teams are talking about playoffs and what they need to do to get there we're talking bout this soap opera. We should be talking about our big winThursday and what we need to do to win Monday. Instead we're a National embarrasment and there's page after page of drivel. Who cares!

Posted by: Craig M | November 05, 2013 at 03:49 PM


Obviously YOU care enough to contradict yourself by writing a long post about it after complaining that others are still writing about it.


Hate to say it again but....seems like all of these bloggers are dumb.

clee, totally disagree with you. Martin and Cogs were starters for a reason. They gave us the best chance at being successful. While I agree it's not a huge dropoff for production, but lets say Clabo goes down? then whose next Yeatman? Thomas? How bout Garner? Watkins better than incognito??? No way and Incognito has been our best OL this year. Pouncey not having a great year either. OL is important. losing two starters for non football injuries is just plain ridiculous

Fair enough Craig. I have no problem with the NFL going through its due process. But I have a hard time buying that both Philbin and Ireland didn't have an inking of what was going on until softy Martin left the team and had a meeting afterwards with coach. That alone makes the both imcompetant and incapbable of handling a situation that should have never been a story to begin with.

We will differ on where we stand with them. I have seen enough failure out of Ireland. He couldn't leave any faster. Not sold on Philbin either. I don't think the guy has the respect of the players- could be wrong but I think his coaching and interpersonal skills are really lacking.

They should have fixed things between them in house as most other professionals resolve issues. It seems to me Cogs was blindsided by this. Not okay how Martin handled things. He is jeopardizing other innocent players careers. You think Philbin is getting another Head coaching job in NFL if he is fired this year?

DC Martin is a failed lt, who sat on a v mail for 6 months. He is no victim. No wonder they called him big weirdo.

"The Miami Herald learned Monday that Incognito will never play for the Dolphins again."

But he will play for another team, maybe even the Jets. Because the outrage over this is knee jerk. Michael Vick is playing again, Riley Cooper, Ray Lewis, etc.

If Richie wants to play again some team that needs a guard will sign him at a discount now, you watch, he will be in uniform next year and everyone will have forgiven him.

So f$#@ing happy that this BS witch hunt is only effecting the Dolphins. Yeah, Philbin should keep track of player texts and voicemails, he doesn't have enough to do now he is supposed to babysit grown men?

What coach in the league checks it's players voicemails and texts?]
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Where in the hell is Martin?! He is dealing with "emotional issues"? Why is he alowed to make accusations through his agent and not stand up like a man and tell everyone what went on? Why is he mias in all of this while his teammates are dealing with the backlash.

Should Will Davis, Caleb Sturgis, Jamar Taylor, Dion Jordan and the rest of our rookies be answering stupid questions about bullying every day considering there is no way in hell they were involved in any way? How is this fair TO THE TEAM.

It was two players! Leave the rest of them alone and let the two deal with it. For f$#ks sake our whole season is in peril already because of this stupid s$#t, enough!

For the record I wanted Philbin and Ireland gone for two weeks now (always stated, barring a miracle turnaround) and it has nothing to do with bs bullying. Philbin has actually since shown the ability to adapt. Ireland, the evidence just keeps stacking against him.

He signed Richie even though the guy has had problems his entire career and wasn't drafted by many teams because of character concerns.

And he drafted Martin who is known by many in the NFL as a soft player. So much so that it was the knock on him before the draft and is why a bunch of teams passed him by.

I don't know how some fans always want to give him a pass. I stuck for him until this season, can't do it anymore because the list of screw ups is just too long.

Incogito deserves to fired (cut) no doubt.

Yes Martin has brought consequences on himself and if he's not man enough to tell Richie to F off and would rather go tell Mommy and Daddy then that speaks volumes of the kind of person he is. We are are talking about a man not a boy in school. Still I want to hear Richies side of his racist texts. What did Martin say? Did he say anything racist? This is America and we do have due process here.

Did they really sit together on the team plane? Man something just smells. I'm telling you all there's a part of the story we are missing. We deserve the whole truth.

Who saves a voicemail for 6 months? If he was that hurt by it why not tell someone right away?

Maybe because it was his intention to quit football and this was his out? Yeah, the writings on the wall. Thank you Jonathan for waiting until the middle of the season to wet yourself and screw the team, hell of a guy!

I agree with you p78... I've been a supporter til now. My issue is Ireland is he has failed to support Tannehill with offensive players. Not good enough in FA and he overspent. Then the draft this year. The first two picks have been busts so far both a luxury as well. I understand the injuries but if you just drafted a 1st rd QB then you need to focus on Offense in the draft in order to build around him to have success.

Obviously YOU care enough to contradict yourself by writing a long post about it after complaining that others are still writing about it.


Hate to say it again but....seems like all of these bloggers are dumb.

Posted by: Sad but True | November 05, 2013 at 04:59 PM

Try again, he wasn't writing about "it". He wrote about how people won't stop talking about, "it". He didn't once mention his opinion on Incognito or Martin.

I really wanted to agree with you so I read Craigs post only to find that you didn't comprehend what he was saying. You're right, the bloggers in here are stupid, that includes all of us, even you. :)

This is pretty simple. Cogs and Martin should never play anther down for the Dolphins again. Cogs has been unstable since high school. Thrown out of college and another NFL team. Martin deserted his team. End of story!

Then to take this 1 step further. Ireland, Philbin, coaching staff and locker room staff need to be relieved of there duties immediately. Management dropped the ball here and must also pay the price. We have been poorly managed throughout the entire Ireland years....this is not a one time thing here. Clean house now.
This would never happen on a Shula team.....end of story....or Walsh, Lombardi, Noll, Landry, Belichick! This does not happen to winning organizations!

Yo Ritchie Incognito.......good teammates help their fellow teammates.... not threaten to kill them! You get that??


Did they really sit together on the team plane? Man something just smells. I'm telling you all there's a part of the story we are missing. We deserve the whole truth.

Posted by: TruthhurTs | November 05, 2013 at 05:31 PM

I agree with you, something is missing. It'll probably come out soon. The truth is out there...

I think we all need to hold judgement until all of the facts are available. many want to jump on the organization, but we are hearing from players a very opposite impression. Keep in mind, Philbin has had a clear history of doing away with trouble - quickly and swiftly. Also keep in mind that Martin was not happy. Played left tackle in college drafted to play right tackle and struggled. Jake Long gets hurt he is moved to left tackle and struggles. Starts at left tackle this year and struggles. Moved to right tackle and is upset about the move. At that point he leaves the team and then all of this. The players loved Incognito - white, black, latino, etc... Do you really think if COG was a racist any of these players would be backing him? Does Wake look like the kind of guy who would put up with that? Be real...If you ever been in situations like this you know that this kind of talk is not taken negatively when there are very close relationships because you know the intention of the person. To the outsider, the text message looks awful. If Incognito is a racist and that is how this plays out then he is dirt and should rot. Let's all wait and see what the NFL finds and then form an opinion. Just a few things to think about...

Phin78, you are among a few the voice of reason and I couldn't agree more. As been said by a few right here on this board, this SHOULD HAVE BEEN HANDLED IN HOUSE.

Mr. Martin decided not to go to any coach. Not Turner, not Philbin. He left without notice and to me, that's a firing offense in itself. You all can make excuses all day long but you cannot get past this fact

Do you really think if the evidence was not strong that the team would have already suspended Cogs??? Lets get real here we are not talking about a good guy here. Cogs does not DESERVE the benefit of the doubt based on his past history...thrown out of college then thrown off an NFL team. He was DO NOT DRAFT on many boards when he came out.

Racism has no place in sports.

I hope Martin is gone after this season and hope they trade him and this bunch of bs.

Incognito will be banned from the NFL for life....and rightfully so.

Boy Mark is having a bad week ad its only Tuesday!! First this Dolphins mess....then his Mayor admits smoking crack!!

Unless he is lieing, Philbin has no control or handle on the pulse of his team. Either way he needs to be fired pronto.

I am not prepared to call Cogs a racist however...the "N" word has been mainstreamed by the hip hop world. I hear white youth, Hispanic youth and black youth using the word freely around each other. So I would think that in the context that Cogs was using it...was not racist. If it were I'm sure Wake, Grimes, Wallace and Sims would not be coming out saying Cogs is a good guy.
Calling anybody racist has become old school because "wolf" has been cried too many times when it wasn't really warranted. Before you attack I happen to be BLACK!

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