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Joe Philbin press conference (tape review)

Joe Philbin and his coaching staff study the tape of every game the Dolphins play after the fact and meet with the team to make corrections. Well, on Monday, the Dolphins coach was in front of his biggest forum -- a group of about 75 media representing more attention-grabbing power than I've ever seen at a club presser -- and he put on his best face to address perhaps the ugliest set of facts ever faced by the franchise.

Philbin had to discuss the Jonathan Martin-Richie Incognito mess. And below you will find what he said. And below the coach's comments, I will give you my thoughts on what was said as I see fit.

Think of it as going back to the film and correcting the mistakes or issues.

(Opening statement) – “I thought I would start out the press conference by giving you a little of a background on some of the events that have occurred during the last week. Last Monday evening in preparation prior to our preparation for practice against the Cincinnati Bengals, Jonathan Martin left our facility prior to that practice after an incident occurred in our team dining room. Later that evening, he contacted a member of our organization. Soon thereafter I contacted Jonathan personally, requested a meeting with him, at which he readily accepted. I met with him later that evening. We had a good discussion. Throughout the course of the week, I was in contact on multiple occasions with him and members of his family. I spoke to him the day after the game, and I spoke to members of his family over the course of the weekend. As the weekend unfolded, early on Sunday, as you well know, as an organization we released a statement that was 100 percent factual. Soon thereafter, we were contacted by representatives of Jonathan, and before I say that I should let you know that in all my discussions with Jonathan and members of his family, at no time were there any accusations or allegations of misconduct by any members of this team or organization. Later on Sunday, we were contacted by one of his representatives where they in fact had some concerns over player conduct that had occurred. We immediately took those concerns very, very seriously.

Our owner, Steve Ross who has been involved throughout the entire process, contacted the commissioner, Roger Goodell, and requested that the NFL become involved and conduct a review of the work place. We issued a second statement noting we had received information that we were taking very seriously and that we were gathering information on. Throughout the course of the day, we gathered more and more information. At the end of the day, I decided to suspend Richie Incognito based on the information I had at that time. The NFL is going to conduct a review of the work place. It’s going to be comprehensive. It’s going to be objective, and we are going to give as an organization our full and complete co-operation with the NFL. That’s really where things are as of today.

I want you to know as the head coach of the Miami Dolphins I am in charge of the work place atmosphere. Since April 10, 2012 when the players first came here and I was the head coach, every decision I’ve made and everything we’ve done to the facility has been done with one thing in mind, and that is to help our players and our organization reach their full potential. Any type of conduct, behavior that detracts from that behavior is not acceptable and is not tolerated.

Two of my children go to school here right behind here at the University School. As a parent, when they walk through those doors I have certain expectations that the administration, the teachers and the staff are going to create a safe atmosphere where my children can learn and develop as people. This is no different. I take this responsibility very seriously that these players when they walk in this door they feel like they have the best medical care, the best strength and conditioning care, the best coaching, the best fields to practice on, the best technology and the best classrooms to learn in. That’s very important to me. I will tell you if the review shows that this is not a safe atmosphere, I will take whatever measures are necessary to ensure that it is. I have that obligation to the players that I coach on a daily basis, and I will do that. Any questions on that?"

Salguero: I find it strange that in this account Martin met with Philbin the same day he supposedly went AWOL. And yet with the troubling issues that caused him to flee the Dolphins still so fresh, the player could not bring himself to tell Philbin what was troubling him. If that is the case, what the heck did the coach and the player talk about? Zone blocking schemes? I mean, your player leaves the team. You bring him back for a meeting. Question No. 2, after how are you feeling, is why did you leave? Did Philbin ask? Did Martin answer in a fashion that the coach was still unaware about why his player left after that meeting ended?

Also, Philbin and the Dolphins talked to Martin's representation and his family. And still the club didn't know what was troubling Martin on Thursday? How about on Friday when Philbin was asked about reports of misconduct and bullying in the locker room?

How is it the media seemed to know and was reporting on what was troubling Jonathan Martin before Joe Philbin and the Dolphins knew? And how is it that after seeing those reports and talking to the Martin camp some more, the Dolphins still believed the reports to be "speculation" until late Sunday afternoon?

I mean, where are the people and communication skills?

(On if he has talked to Richie Incognito and if he is satisfied with his apology) -  “I’ve been in contact with Richie. Any conversation that I have with any football player on this team are personal and confidential in nature."

Salguero: Bad answer. Sure, it gets Philbin out of having to explain the talk and thus gives him all sorts of plausible deniability about what was said. But ... I'm sure Dolphins fans might have felt better about their coach's leadership ability if he'd said that he explained to Incognito that evidence against him was strong and that he had no tolerance for the stuff the evidence (ie texts and a voicemail message) shows Incognito to have said and written.

(On if he had an inkling that anything like this was going on in the locker room before last Monday) - “That falls under what the NFL review is here for."

Salguero: So earlier in this very presser Philbin says Martin told him nothing specific of the issue and now he's refusing to answer the question? Raises suspicion.

(On if he personally had any idea incidents were going on) – “Again, I want to make clear this. My focus right now is on the men in the locker room, preparing our football team to play the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I will give my full and complete and total corporation with the NFL. When that takes place, the timeline on that I don’t have the specifics of. I will tell you I will be in full and complete co-operation with them. I will answer everything honestly to the best of my knowledge. But what I would like to make sure what everybody understands is that there are not going to be comments during the course of this investigation until we get all of the information and we come together on that information."

Salguero: Philbin is basically saying "I'll tell the NFL what I know. You, the media, not so much." What he needs to start realizing is something Jimmy Johnson and Don Shula knew almost instinctively: When you are speaking at a press conference, you're not really talking to reporters. You are talking to your players. You are talking to your opponents. You are talking to your organization. Most importantly, you are talking to your fans. When he blows off questions, he's blowing off opportunities. And he's blowing off fans.

(On how he missed incidents of what could be deemed hazing or bullying from Richie Incognito on national television last year) - “What was that?"

(On Richie Incognito’s incidents on television last year where he hacked into Facebook accounts and talking about someone’s girlfriend) – “I never saw it."

(On if he never saw the incidents with Richie Incognito on Hard Knocks) -  “I never saw it. What was it on TV, on Hard Knocks? I never saw the show, not once. I was working at the time.”

Salguero: The coach has said numerous times he didn't think Hard Knocks helped the Dolphins or hurt the Dolphins at all last year. Except he apparently formed that opinion without even knowing what was on the show? Hurts his credibility.

(On if incidents staying inside the locker room are part of the NFL) - “Again I think each locker room has its own culture, it’s own identity. I can’t speak to other locker rooms and how they do things.”

Salguero: Excellent escape. But everyone it recognizes for what it is -- avoiding the question.

(On if he has seen rookies getting picked on in a locker room) - “I personally think laughter in a work environment is a good thing. Not at the expense of an individual, but I think laughter can be a healthy, productive thing. But not in a demeaning way at the expense of an individual.”

Salguero: Good answer.

(On what he saw Sunday night that made him say Richie Incognito needed to be suspended) - “Again, the information that I received I took under consideration and I felt this was the appropriate action. I’m not going to get into the specifics of what it was, but I had enough information I felt to make a good decision. That’s exactly what I did."

Salguero: Coach's on a roll. Two good answers in a row. Can he do three?

(On if Richie Incognito being on the team’s leadership council was a trust that was misplaced) - “The leadership council is selected by the players. I have a lot of confidence in our players. I have a lot of confidence in the locker room, the character of the men we have in the locker room. He was selected by his teammates."

Salguero: Three in a row!

(On if there is racism on his team) - “Again, that’s going to fall under the review of the NFL.”

Salguero: Again, a terrible answer. By not answering, you are basically opening the door to the possibility there is racism on your team. If your answer to this question cannot be a resounding, emphatic "Hell no" you did something wrong in the building of your team.

(On if he has addressed the team about the situation) - “We’ve addressed it in a team meeting, yes.”

Salguero: Good.

(On if he spoke with Richie Incognito after his initial conversation with Jonathan Martin) - “Again, I’m not going to get into discussions I have had. I don’t do that with any situation.”

Salguero: Crappy question. Already been asked. And coach, you would be wise to acknowledge that you spoke to Incognito because he's your player, too (for now) and he deserves fair treatment and an audience with you. You gave him that audience. It's alright to admit it. It's not a revelation of state secrets to admit to talking to a player.

(On if he thought it was a serious matter based off his initial conversation with Jonathan Martin) - “He never mentioned to me any accusation of any inappropriate behavior. (It) was never mentioned to me at any point, not in the meeting I had with him, not in the phone conversation I had with him."

Salguero: Honest. Forthright. And a terrible fact for Philbin and the Dolphins because, again, the media found out before you did, Joe.

(On if Jonathan Martin’s representation presented evidence against one player or multiple players) - “A player.”

Salguero: Honest.

(On how likely it is that Jonathan Martin or Richie Incognito play for the Dolphins again) - “Again, right now the focus is on the football team, the men in the locker room right now (and) preparing our team for Tampa Bay. There will be a time and a place for all of that stuff."

Salguero: Don't want to nitpick so this is fine.

(On if the last four days have been miserable for him) - “Absolutely not. It’s a privilege to serve as the head coach of the Miami Dolphins. I feel fortunate every single day I come to work. I work with a great group of men, a great staff, support staff. Absolutely not.”

Salguero: Best answer of the entire presser. Philbin finished strong.

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I don't know why, or how it hasn't been addressed about how Martin handled the situation. If this situation sheds any light as to what type of people Martin and Incognito are... just think about how Martin handled this situation.

Martin goes to the media after walking out on his team because of a prank played by the ENTIRE offensive line - not just Incognito. He LEFT his team, without going up the chain of command to address the issue. He went to his mommy and daddy, whom are both lawyers, to fix this.

I don't understand why no one is talking about the fact that Martin didn't even address his issues with the people in charge to fix this situation before creating such an ordeal with the media.. Now the entire Dolphins organization has to play the price. If he was at all concerned about teammates he would have gone to the coach first. Martin is a wimp and has no place in the NFL. We lost 2 starting offensive line men because he can't handle his issues. WOW.

You guys should all read Ricky Williams take on it. He played with Richie as you well know. He defends Richie and says Martin probably "isn't cut out for the NFL". Richie is suspended NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT HE DID OR SAID, he's suspended because the story was leaked to the PRESS! Richie is adored by his teammates and was voted a leader! You guys are out of touch. He was joking with the kid and he saves voicemails for MONTHS and releases them OUT OF CONTEXT and we're all supposed to believe Richie is some racist bully? Again, GTFOH!

And PS Adam Schefter has a vendetta against Richie that manifested when he INCORRECTLY reported Richie had puched a bouncer in the face.

Incognito created the ordeal not Martin. Martin wasnt the guy extorting money, saying he hates rookies, making racist comments and threatening to kill anyone. Martin perceived his life to be in danger and risked retribution by going to anyone but his parents. He is a 23 yr old kid .

KC.....sources have confirmed that Cogs will never wear a Dolphins uniform again.....most likely Martin too is done in Miami. We did not lose an OL that were in our plans for next season so this is no great loss. Martin was not the answer at LT or RT...its obvious he was too soft in both temperament and now mind!!

Perceived his life in danger? Because he said he'd kill him in a joking manner?! Oh boy. I would hate to work around you guys. I say worse things to WOMEN I know.

The team didnt suspend Martin. The team suspended Incognito because he was clearly wrong.

Martin tweeted Zach Ertz, teammate at Stanford, that he plans to get back into Football, didn't say where or when. Probably got caught in a bad situation here with no escape in sight and thus, as the highly intelligent and educated person he is, had to force his hand. That the League might suffer because of his action is of secondary importance in this situation to his well-being. I KNOW his dilemma. Everything will be clarified at some point and he will return to Football, but on a Team that he considers appropriate to his needs. And the League, after some struggles, will be better for it.

Not everybody is the tough guy type. Martin comes from a family of highly educated people. He was raised "well" and not in a Low or middle class area. He went to Stamford. Most likely should not be a football player. He handled this in the way an educated well raised person would. He wasn't raised to pick up his hands and strike. He didn't have to fight his way in and out of school everyday. In short he is not from the hood!!

I agree with you Bill.. Neither were having a great season and probably not in the plans for the future but it's sad when a high draft pick and former pro bowler are put in this position. When an o-line is already horrible - then this happens? I can't imagine how much worse they can get.

It's an embarrassment and something that can tear a team apart. I hope Martin does not come back. He obviously cannot handle life in the NFL and Incognito is obviously done in Miami.

Martin is softer than the Pillsbury Dough Boy. And a selfish SOB. You mean he couldn't approach Richie and tell him to chill out??? How about Philbin?? He ran like a little wus boy he is. He's not a man but a coward.

Sad...sad...sad....the Dolphins saved their season last Thursday by beating a very good Bengals team....should be concentrating on beating a bad Bucs team next Monday. Instead all everybody is talking about is this ridiculous crap....I say FUKK both Martin and Cogs. The NFL is investigating the incident. Cut both of them and lets get back to Football!

Dont worry Dr Phil-Ben will right the ship with no help from the ESPN dirtbags,my favorite martian will be fine and I will too,dont let the media make a circus otta this.

bill they didnt save anything vs bengals, except prolong irelands career here a little longer. lets hope they lose out instead of going 8-8 so ross makes the changes needed

I am WITHDRAWING ALL of my CRITICISMS of COGS. The WETTER this CRAP gets the MORE it STINKS.

EVEN the BLACK Dolphins players are coming out in SUPPORT of COGS not MARTIN.

Marc the WASHOUT....thinks were pansies....lol

Yeah....

Calling strangers names...with NO basis in fact does make me feel better.....

Thanks WASHOUT Marc...you coward.....

Dusty....you are wrong they saved their season for one week. Had they lost that game we would be done. We are most likely a 7-9 or 8-8 team. I don't see them losing out. However Ireland, Philbin and staff should be let go immediately due to the mess we have right now.
We have been a poorly managed team since Ireland got here.

bill we have been done. u watch the games also, this team has been done since bills loss

Dusty I agree we were really done since the loss to Ravens...however the perception was they saved the season by beating the Bengals.
This event is the final nail in our coffin. Heads must roll and Mgmt must pay the price for 6yrs of failure!!

I hate the jets, bills and pats but they are all better coached teams than us....therefore they are better teams than us. It KILLS me to say that!!

I'm sorry...

Did Ricky ever play with Martin.....

And shoudn't you quotation marks start @ "PROBABLY".....and not after...

Or does the way YOU...did it just seem to mark Ricky's words more slanted in your favor....

I expect nothing less from a WASHOUT.....

This one event may set us back years to come. If the locker room splits in support of either side we are done for many years. This is why its important to get a real GM, coach and staff in here ASAP. Once the split occurs it does not go back together.

You want to talk about what is wrong with the Miami Dolphins? It is not simply Incognito. It is a coach in Joe Philbin who did not bother to keep his finger on the pulse of his team. It is a general manager in Jeff Ireland who watched one of his players walk away from an NFL job with NFL checks and did not start asking the right questions about why until way too late. It is the rest of the locker room who stood idly by and let Martin be bullied.

You cannot tell me Dolphins players never once heard Incognito’s verbal taunts, never once noticed a young lineman in emotional distress, never once thought, “Man, this has gone a little too far.” And it is every person who saw what was happening to Martin and did nothing who deserve our condemnation.

Kris. You're a troll. That's obvious, so this is the last time I will address you directly, and only to say, that again, I'm not a WASHOUT you moron. I server 6.5 years in the Army, 3 as a Sergeant. I got out after OIF I while in Iraq due to my contract ending with an HONORABLE DISCHARGE and for no other reason. Just to set things straight you J Martin...PS. That means :P##$$Y

Direct quotes from Ricky Williams:

"How is bullying something that's even mentioned regarding the NFL?" Williams wondered. "Because that's kind of what we're taught to do -- at least on the field -- is to bully the guy across from us so we can win the football game.

"It's kind of what we're subjected to on a day-to-day basis that most people will never be able to understand. ... What we're required to do physically, mentally and emotionally for the course of a season is astronomical -- it's amazing," Williams added. "And I'm not saying that it's bad. I'm saying it just really speaks to what it takes to be a professional football player. And to me there's no room to play the victim or to be bullied or to even have that discussion when it comes to the NFL. If you're having that discussion, it just means that maybe you don't belong in the NFL."

"I think I can relate and I can speak on this because I was at a point where I was done with the NFL and I needed to take a break," Williams said. "But unlike Jonathan, I didn't have to find a scapegoat or someone to blame. ... I didn't have to bring anyone else down when I found out that I just couldn't handle what I was going through at the time."

"I just understood that's the nature of the game," Williams explained. "When I came in as a rookie, they called me 'Ricky Weirdo.' And they busted my balls and they gave me a hard time, but I just laughed because it was funny. ... If someone sent me those messages, I would send a text back and call him a redneck and put 'lol.' To me, situations that you got yourself into, you got yourself into. It falls on you to find a way to get yourself out. And I'm not judging the way he got himself out of the situation. I actually think it's quite brilliant.

"There's all these text messages and these voice messages," Williams went on. "It takes some awareness and some planning and some orchestration to actually save those and record those. ... (Martin) is fighting (Incognito), but he's just doing it in his own way. If we're going to talk about the story as a hazing story -- which doesn't fit -- or as a bullying story, it's really a great example of the kid that is 'getting bullied' fighting back in his own way. ... I think they're both victims. I think the truth is never going to come out. One guy has a paid vacation. And one guy has a vacation that's not paid right now."

"It's not inflammatory if it's your family," Williams said. "When you look at a team, especially two guys that play the same position, and you really understand how much time they spend together, you can't put it in the context that you would put it outside of a family setting. ... If you had a tape recorder in the locker room, you would hear a lot of stuff that wouldn't fly in the media. A football team, the NFL, it's a fraternity. ... It's not fair and it's not right for people on the outside to judge and try to figure out what's going on on the inside, because most of the people on the outside wouldn't last a week on an NFL team."

"The locker room, we keep coaches out for a reason. It's our space," Williams emphasized. "When I look at the issue, it's not about racism, it's not about bullying, it's not about hazing. It's about a lack of leadership in that locker room. ... And this is just one of the ways in which it's manifested."

" Richie is suspended NOT BECAUSE OF WHAT HE DID OR SAID, he's suspended because the story was leaked to the PRESS!

Posted by: Marc | November 05, 2013 at 06:23 PM
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lol.....

Akin to the man that said.....I 'm not divorced because I cheated on my wife....

I'm divorced because the stupid B told on me.....

Marc....always great insight,...and thoughtful perspective....

Is it any Wonder you washed out.....

Cogs wasn't right...neither was Martin...you fukkers wanted the Dolphins to get more national attention from the talking heads...wish granted...this should no longer be discussed...at its worst they both set bad examples for the kids...both...don't be a Jack!ass and don't be a pushover...both cowards...

Marc thanks for your service bro.

I am a 9-11-01 Ground Zero 1st responder so I have an affinity for those that have served in our war on terror.

These comments calling for Philbin and Ireland to be fired are really stupid...

Like I said I don't really get Cog's sense of humor, if that's what it was. Especially tweeting someone that nonsense.

The straw that broke the camels back though I think is the fact that Martin got moved back to RT. The practical joke when Martin was already reeling sealed it.

Oh...

Marc...Marc...Marc....

Does calling you random names with absolutely no basis pi$$es you off.....

Oh....

And I guess you you calling the blog (the ones that don't agree with you) pansies....that's on the high side of things right....

I took your man card....and all I did was call you a WASHOUT...

Imagine if I was in your space....you would most likely be doing a Jonathan Martin....or perhaps you would do what you just did @ 7:13....A MARC.....

Insult others.... But cry when it is done to you....

Your pathetic....and weak....your not a troll....

Your a MARC....

Some idiots think Incognito was suspended because he's innocent?? LOL


Posted by: Marc | November 05, 2013 at 07:13 PM

Thanks for posting that man

Thanks Bill. It wasn't entirely selfless, but, I imagine the locker room has a similar vibe to brothers in arms. "Tough guys", etc. That voicemail is nothing shocking; just a guy giving another guy a good-spirited hard-time. Perhaps he was looking for a different kinda hard-time. Who knows?

What's good for the goose...is good for the gander....

Unless your a MARC.....

Last comment.

Mike Wallace doesn't have a problem with him
Will Davis doesn't have a problem with him
Ricky Williams doesn't have a problem with him
He was voted a leader on the team, BY THE TEAM
He hangs out with Pouncey

This is obviously a case of things guys say to each other that may not be deemed appropriate and can look "nasty" when you don't take the relationship into context. Unfortunately, the people that have no basis of context to comprehend telling a buddy you are gonna take a dump in his mouth will be the people that judge him.

I've MORE than proven my point....

I'll let you guys get back to it.....

My apologies for the harsh interruption.....but I had find out....and I was right....

Marc....you just got played....and exposed....

I don't believe that Cogs is a "good guy" by any stretch of the imagination. However I am now questioning Martins motives. Martin was not happy with the move back to RT. Martin was not a fan of Cogs.....saving text and voice mails tells me something else was at work here. Martin is a West Coast guy....is this his way back home?? Is he trying to get to the 49ers or Chargers??? He knows he is most likely done with the Dolphins as soon as he walked out?? There is more to this story!

Kris?? Marc has made some valuable points....are you ok bro?

Wow so many ignorant posts defending Incognito! Of course the locker is behind Cogs, bullies are typically liked and predate on the weak and those they feel "threatened" by, like smart people like Martin.

Now I am not absolving Martin for any wrongdoing because we simple do not know all the details but you have to be at the very least suspicious of Cogs as the repeat offender he is. In fact in this very same blog more than one of you expressed that it was very likely that Cogs was the obvious choice as the bully.

Regardless this situation just shines light on what everyone but Ross apparently know about this organization and is that it is a rotten one, to its core. Not even when we put together a few wins do the Phins get any love from the media, we are irrelevant, and afterthought, even hated by many in the league.

For Philbin to come out in the presser to tell us the script Aponte wrote for him is disgraceful. Worst yet he insulted our intelligence by stating he had no idea of what could have been brewing in his own team. I know players own the locker, at least that is how is been everywhere I played sports but any smart coach will always want to have a feel of the locker. Unless like in some classy organizations they ban hazing altogether. Steve Young said Bill Walsh banned it and so did Marty Schottenheimer according to Rich Gannon.

And that was all on Philbin, a first time coach, see what you get for Mr. Ross for not luring an experienced coach? Why would you hire yet another OL coach with not HC experience? And Ireland can not escape any culpability because he after all is the GM and he had to have some saying on the matter. For the 1000 time, Ireland is not GM material, even Keyshawn Johnson knows it! That is saying something. But our team owner has remained clueless.

To those celebrating the win last week, please aren't you tired of the same 8-8 mediocrity year in and year out. You have to be a moron to think this team can make it far. Even if they miraculously make the playoffs I bet my year salary they will never win a SB win Philbin as a coach.
The sooner they lose games the faster Ross will mercifully pull the trigger on the Ireland and Philbin experiment. I foresee Ross doing this right after he Tampa game if they lose because Ross' advisors and lawyers must have at least mentioned the legal and financial ramifications is Ireland, Aponte and Philbin remain with he team.

Which offensive lineman has Incognito's back...

He brought all this humiliation on himself and his team mates acting more like a high school thug instead of a college educated millionaire playing a sport that many would give away their left n** to play.

Incognito, don't let the door hit you on the A** on your way out.

P.S. you were never that good!!!

It is very possible that we will win more Games than we lose the rest of the Way. Every Coach will be preparing all his Players in a decent way, every Player will be putting out his best effort, every FO member will be vigilant to conduct the Team and it's business properly, even Ross might get closer to the action down here, under threat of Jail. We are somebody. We are a contender.

Marc, you should ask a psychologist about the mind of a bully before posting more ignorant posts. Of course the locker has taken Cogs side, bullies are liked more than those who are perceived as weak and "less cool", hence the more reason why Martin felt isolated.

Now perhaps it is very true also that Martin is not cut out to be an NFL player but what transpired ultimately was a total breakdown of leadership within the locker. You can not tell me than losing almost the entire leadership council composed of Bush, Long and Dansby had nothing to with it. There is where the ineptitude of both Ireland, as the personnel director, and Philbin as the person with most vested interest to have a feel for the locker failed miserably.

You can not tell me that the appointing of Cogs to that council had to raise a serious red flag. Either Phibin is really that dumb, or -probably- he paid an blind eye to it or worse yet -God forbid- actually code red it.

Best case scenario is to move on from this. Sadly it was appearing that neither player needed to be in the starting line-up much longer.

The sad part is it is another wasted high draft pick. If you include the 3rd rder for iffy John Jerry and the 3rd rder for Dallas Thomas who hasn't seen the field yet, that's 3 fairly high picks with nothing much to show for it.

Because "BULLIES" are type-A TOUGH guys! The word bully is ridiculous in context to an NFL locker room! Just like the military if we had a soft guy we would have busted his balls until he broke or toughened up. If that made us bullies so be it. Better than having a candy a$ss$ in your unit. Armando and teammates describe Richie as a "jokster, prankster". Just as I've been saying for days it's a big deal because "bullying" is the in thing. I can't believe that anyone, including Martin would take that voicemail seriously.

good points Marc

Marc, I think a Bully masks his own insecurities by having to prey on the weak...

After reading some of his text messages I think he's trying too hard to hide the fear of his own masculinity.

Incognito was never Man... just a PUNK!

Maybe in retirement he can finally grow up.

Regardless the Dolphins are much better without him.

BY ADAM H. BEASLEY

abeasley@miamiherald.com

The NFL’s nascent investigation into the Richie Incognito-Jonathan Martin investigation might be just the start of the Miami Dolphins’ legal headaches.

Some believe Martin is on solid footing for a lawsuit against the organization – should he decide to go that route.

Martin, who alleges long-running abuse at the hands of Incognito and has an audio recording that appears to back up his claim, could sue the Dolphins on the grounds of intentional infliction of emotional distress. That’s according to Darren Heitner, a Miami-based sports and entertainment attorney.


Marc, I think a Bully masks his own insecurities by having to prey on the weak...

After reading some of his text messages I think he's trying too hard to hide the fear of his own masculinity.

Incognito was never Man... just a PUNK!

Maybe in retirement he can finally grow up.

Regardless the Dolphins are much better without him.

Posted by: Scott | November 05, 2013 at 08:20 PM


GREAT POST!!TOTALLY AGREE except doubt Icognito will ever grow up.

that's 3 fairly high picks with nothing much to show for it.

Posted by: Dolfan Rick | November 05, 2013 at 07:58 PM

Sounds like Ireland haha

marc,
you sound like one of thhose guys that would be part of the gang that raped that girl in, where was it: west point or annapolis? you would thhen say that this is ok and justifiable as long as we weed out those week.
yeah you know the army culture that should just be full of 'tough' hombres that prey on the weak. kinda like Abu Grahib (or whatever it's called) right?

ricky williams comments pretty much sum it up, like it or not......like incognito or martin or not.....basically saying that talk of "bullying" and "hazing" doesnt/shouldnt even apply to the nfl/players......doesnt compute, doesnt add up.....literally, N/A.....ie. if those ideas/concepts are even in the mix, in the conversation, then that player shouldnt be in the nfl....bottom line--couldnt agree more.....those ideas/concepts ARE the nfl.....are the aggressive nature of the nfl, and its players--thats the lay of the nfl land.

Any team would benefit when Incognito leaves. He is not a teammate you'd want.

Actually he's a teammate MOST want.

Mike Wallace said "I love that guy" "I wish he was here"

You don't have to take my word, but, maybe words of fellow teammates not named Martin should suffice?

I have to think Martins play suffered because he was constantly worried about what Incognito might do or say or demand. If he doesnt sue I think he could be our RT for many years.

Well, Wallace is another jackass.

Actually he's a teammate MOST want.

Posted by: Marc | November 05, 2013 at 08:49 PM

Not after they see the facts of the texts...

Dude, they were a joke, get it? Obviously not. He also screamed the "N" word 5 feet away from Pouncey preceeded by the name "POUNCEY". Do you think these guys are offended, or perhaps it's accepted within their culture, as in some others. I've been in relationships like this, and what strikes me is that Martin is bringing this up MONTHS later. Who even keeps a voicemail that long? I highly doubt he would have said it if he truly thought he would be offended. He could have played it in the locker room if it was malicious, which is what, 90% black? Just doesn't add up.

After hearing the Ricky Williams interview you really get perspective from a former black football player. Ricky really likes Incognito. He says that he is not offended by him saying the N word because in a locker room you would feel like one of your family members said that and there are a lot of bad things said in a locker room. He said that he would have text back "redneck lol". He said that is just part of the locker room. Ricky also said that this is all orchestrated by Martin, that he should not be in the NFL, and that he just used Incognito as an escape goat. In hearing what his dolphin teammates are saying to the media, I have a feeling that they share Ricky's opinion. The Dolphins obviously love Incognito and feel that Martin is soft and a traitor.

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