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Review: PFF and Salguero look back at Chargers win

The Dolphins won amid chaos Sunday and the grades from this week's ProFootballFocus.com and Salguero tape and insight post reflect the good outing.

Here they are:

Offense

Tight end Charles Clay (+4.2) and Daniel Thomas (+3.3) had their best grades of the season to pickup a struggling offense. Clay’s rampaging TD catch came with Manti Te’o in coverage. Of Clay's 90 receiving yards, 77 came after the catch.

Lamar Miller still out-snapped Thomas 40-26, despite being out-touched 11 to 6.

Salguero: Offensive coordinator Mike Sherman continues to say he considers both Miller and Thomas as co-starters: "Pretty much. When I’ve been asked that question, that’s what I’ve said all along. I look at both of those guys as starters, and you kind of just go with the hot hand. I thought during the course of the game I thought they both ran well. Lamar (Miller) had some runs taken away from him because of penalties, some were ours and some were there’s. I thought Daniel (Thomas) ran very physical. He didn’t practice much last week. He missed some time, but he came out ready to go. When he was in there, he took full advantage of his opportunities. Sometimes it’s just a matter of opportunities when you are in there. It just happened to come up where he had some very well-blocked plays, but he certainly had some great after contact runs which I thought since I’ve been here the best we’ve been on runs after contact whether it be a pass, a catch or a run."

Rishard Matthews played 57 of 66 snaps after his breakout game last week.

Left guard Danny Watkins played 5 snaps at left guard in his debut as a Dolphin.

Tight ends Michael Egnew (18 snaps) and Dion Sims (8 snaps) saw time almost exclusively as run blockers.

Quarterback Ryan Tannehill struggled to connect with his receivers downfield again. He was just 4 for 11 for 66 yards and a pick on passing attempts of 10+ yards. Tannehill made it a point to attack Derek Cox in coverage, targeting him 4 more times than any other defender. But, he connected just 4 of 9 times against him.

Salguero: Let's face it, when we're talking about downfield issues, what we really mean is Tannehill cannot seem to get the ball to Mike Wallace in stride. The ball is seemingly often underthrown or thrown late or thrown out of bounds. The irony here? Wallace is slowed by hamstring issues. So he's being underthrown despite not running as well as usual.

Check it out from Sherman:  “They’ve done that and part of it, Mike’s still feeling, still resting and working with his leg issue.  I thought Mike had a tremendous ballgame. He ran hard, and he ran his routes very disciplined.  He was open on a number of occasion and sometimes it was protection issues and we didn’t get him the ball, other times we just didn’t get him the ball, but I thought Mike (Wallace) had a tremendous impact in that ball game, because he changed how they played us and allowed us an opportunity to control the game with some runs and what not.  He started the game with a catch and a first down where he broke some tackles.  It kind of set a tempo for us, I thought, in that ball game.  (Brian) Hartline had one, obviously the running backs have theirs, (Charles) Clay had his for the touchdown, I thought the first one was Mike’s (Wallace) and I thought that kind of set the tempo for the game.  I think there’s familiarity that the two of them just have to an understanding with how that’s going to work.  We certainly underthrew him on a touchdown pass that we can’t do.  If they had scored at the end that could have been the ball game, we needed those points, we didn’t get them so that’s something that’s been a point of emphasis and it will continue to be.  We have to get them on the same page.  They are two willing participants and they want it to work, I think it’s just a matter of two guys getting used to each other.  It just takes a little bit of time."

The Dolphins had their most success running the ball behind the right side of their line, picking up 48 yards on eight rushes. However, they still produced 56 yards on their other 11 carries

Daniel Thomas picked up 32 of his 57 rushing yards after contact.

Brian Hartline had two uncharacteristic drops against Johnny Patrick.

Salguero: Not mentioned by PFF, but major props to Nate Garner. He spent the entire week working at left guard and then moved to center on Sunday. And he had only one line call mistake.

Sherman: “Nate really had only one mistake in communication. Mike Pouncey has been a stalwart in there.  For him to go in there and do what he had to do, just phenomenal.  I thought he did an excellent job.  Along the same lines, I have to take my hat off to (Ryan) Tannehill as well.  I don’t think there’s many quarterbacks in this league that, when they wake up on Sunday morning and the guy they’ve been taking snaps with since they’ve played in this league all of a sudden isn’t playing, he doesn’t bat an eyelash (he says) ‘Ok let’s go, no big deal.’  I think that’s a credit to him and that’s kind of the way he looks at things, he doesn’t sweat things very much.  It’s a credit to him and there’s things that he has to work on and get better at but one thing about him, he doesn’t get flustered or concerned about things like that.  (He says) ‘Ok, who’s up lets go.’  I do think Nate (Garner) did a fine job stepping in, in the absence of a very good player.  Those are big shoes to fill when you’re filling Mike Pouncey’s shoes.”

Defense

Dion Jordan settled back into his 20 snap role with 22 plays. In addition to two hurries rushing the quarterback, he helped out in the run game with a defensive stop on 7 plays.

Salguero: Last week defensive coordinator Kevin Coyle talked about Jordan being a part-time player the entire rest of the season. He told us to get used to it. This week, the tune has changed a bit.

Consider from Coyle: "Dion is like a power forward in basketball. He’s a very smooth athlete. He’s got great length, and he can run like a deer.  You put those qualities together, he’s not intimated, he’s actually bigger and taller than most of these guys or at least as tall as s some of these tight ends.  They’re used to smaller guys covering them and that’s a big advantage, the body positioning and boxing out and playing basketball which a lot of them do.  (Antonio) Gates is a perfect example, he’s a guy that can just muscle up on people like he’s waiting to get the ball in the low post and just catch a little hook route.  Dion covered him a few times yesterday and did a very good job, he’s very natural at those kinds of  things.  The more we can get him involved in those type of things as well as he had some good rushes in the game yesterday too.  We have to expand his role and keep him working because he can contribute and he is one of those guys that has the capability of making big plays for us."

Jimmy Wilson is the nickel cornerback no matter what. When Dmitri Patterson aggravated his injury, Wilson stayed at nickel corner, while Nolan Carroll took over the #2 spot. Wilson had 52 snaps to Carroll’s 47.

With Will Davis inactive and Jamar Taylor not playing any defensive snaps, the two rookies have combined to play just 45 defensive snaps on the season.

Philip Wheeler had his best grade in pass coverage all season (+1.5). Against Antonio Gates, he didn’t allow a catch on two targets, including a pass defensed. He allowed just two catches overall.

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It is really, really weird to me that Tannehill and Wallace can't get more in sync by now. Even if RT is underthrowing him, can't Wallace think "that boy is sure as hell gonna underthrow me again" and slack up some?

Dk if union rules allow the two of them to practice extra, but they should be.

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That was a very well called Game from a plays standpoint, the best we have had up to now. We had that D guessing. Sherman getting a little help from his friends?

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Any arguments against my last post, ALcoo?

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"He told us to get used to it. This week, the tune has changed a bit."

Typical kunty remark from our fave south beach kunt

I'm not sure, ArLoco, the opinion is divided on this guy. His record up to now as a talent evaluator has been average. Up to now, considering his first independent draft was in 2011- 12?. He has gotten Pouncey, Odrick, Clay, Tannehill, this kid DJ looks promising, but no true superstars. His FA acquisitions have been more impactful, Wake, now Grimes. I don't care how much an assshole he might be if he produces good Players with an occasional great one mixed in there. I hate to spend time on mediocrity but it appears this guy needs to be given more Time to do his thing(weasel!)

Can we talk about the guys he passes on?

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Don't know what to tell you, ALoca, yes, life is short, but what can we do sometimes except creep in this petty pace...

I the more I see of Jordan, the more I think he should be moved to linebacker. Or even tight end.

Salguero: Let's face it, when we're talking about downfield issues, what we really mean is Tannehill cannot seem to get the ball to Mike Wallace in stride. The ball is seemingly often underthrown or thrown late or thrown out of bounds. The irony here? Wallace is slowed by hamstring issues. So he's being underthrown despite not running as well as usual.


It could be possible Wallace tweaked the hammy weeks back on one of Tannehill's Underthrows. It is possible to tweak your hammy going full speed and all of a sudden having to go into a HURRIED slow down or stop.

It could also explain why Wallace isn't making a concerted effort to fight for the ball. The tweaked hammy may not allow it, plus, the fear of aggravating his hammy even further.

Ted Wells interviewed the Dolphins earlier today. Some of his preliminary findings were leaked to the press. It seems that Wells has found that FIRE IRELAND JAIL POUNCEY...has been found to be drinking from the urinals at Sun Life Stadium. She drives from Daytona every weekend and while in Miami she also uses her tongue to clean the floor at the local peep show by the stadium. Charges are pending against FIRE IRELAND JAIL POUNCEY.....

check out Montana and Favre's comments on the Martin/bullying issue.....gotta love Joe and Brett.....old time QBs just telling it like it is
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9995029/joe-montana-says-bullying-common-nfl

We've lost Keller and Gibson for the year. We can not afford to lose Wallace for the rest of the season due to the hammy.

Wallace's presence in the running game is just as important as his presence in the passing game. Even when he isn't catching passes.


It could be possible Wallace tweaked the hammy weeks back on one of Tannehill's Underthrows. It is possible to tweak your hammy going full speed and all of a sudden having to go into a HURRIED slow down or stop.

It could also explain why Wallace isn't making a concerted effort to fight for the ball. The tweaked hammy may not allow it, plus, the fear of aggravating his hammy even further.

Posted by: Sam I Am | November 18, 2013 at 07:44 PM

Daytona youre a fukkin idiot if you think anybody would believe your crap...laughable at best. Did Tannehill come in youre momma's mouth or something?

TH has the arm strength so I think he just needs to air it out for Wallace, overthrow him if anything.....to me its mostly about confidence, he's thinking too much and not confident that he can hit Wallace in stride.....rightfully so since he hasnt proven he can--deep ball accuracy is an issue, until proven otherwise..... but I wish the kid would just let it rip and let his WRs go get the ball


Wallace's presence in the running game is just as important as his presence in the passing game. Even when he isn't catching passes.

Posted by: Sam I Am | November 18, 2013 at 07:49 PM

Laughable again Wallaces presence in the run game...he is a puss that refuses to block...he sucked his entire career. Hes a product of broken plays in Pittsburgh that why they let him walk. Your girl Wallace blalowsssss much like you do!

Posted by: Bill Arnsparger | November 18, 2013 at 07:50 PM


Are you of very low self-esteem or of superior-inferior intellect?

Why do feel such need to attack those not attacking you?

Didn't you say you're a cop? I do not have anything against those who bravely place their lives on the line for the better of man kind, and I greatly respect that if you really are an officer of the law.

But, what I fear most, hopefully you don't go about your job the same way you go about your business here. Because, not, only do you place our citizens in danger, you're placing yourself and partner in danger too.

Man. I can only pray for, not confront you on ignorant levels.


but I wish the kid would just let it rip and let his WRs go get the ball

Posted by: benz | November 18, 2013 at 07:53 PM

Benz good post...he cannot let it ripbecause its a known fact that Wallace will not fight for the ball

and I'm more and more on board with the coaches being the issue--our rookies and most of our other young players were highly thought of/rated coming out of college, and were drafted in roughly the area where they were projected to go....you mean to tell me that several of our young players, Tannehill included (top of the list), couldnt benefit from better coaching? Our play calling has been baffling most of the year, we are slow to adjust to seemingly obvious issues/facets of the game.....our D is talented (all pundits agree) and yet is regressing, worse this year than last and very underwhelming results--our biggest issues are related to coaching, not talent.

Posted by: Bill Arnsparger | November 18, 2013 at 07:50 PM


Man, I pray for you. You did say you are a cop right? Hope you don't go about your daily work in this same manner.

Remember "service and protect". Seriously, I do pray for you.

Bill....fair but if the ball is on the money, and hits him in stride (ahead of him) he wont have to fight for the ball--Wallace had the Dback beat last night by a couple of yards, so if the ball is there he's gone.....Dback wouldnt have been a factor---air it out and hit Wallace in stride......Ben did, ie. Wallace didnt fight for the ball last year......because he didnt have to.

Bill.....ie. I'm not getting sucked into the "Wallace sucks" conversation.....he's our best playmaker and the coaches, and TH, have to figure out how to use him and get him the ball--TH's underthrown him several times this year (Indy, which cost him a TD, tackled near the goal line......yesterday.....a few other times too)--his speed is his biggest asset, not toughness or fight.....but so what?

Posted by: Sam I Am | November 18, 2013 at 08:00 PM

Sick and tired of you posting under 20 names and trying to get a rise out of Dolphin fans....you're a hopeless loser that has no life. You are Daytona...you have been abusing this blog for way too many years. As for my professional life I have been performing my duties for over 30 yrs. I don't your kind praying for or worrying about me. The recommendations and medals I have could fill a wall. What is your contribution to society? Don't bother to answer...it would be more Daytona crap lies!!

Posted by: benz | November 18, 2013 at 08:03 PM

My friend I am not here to bash Wallace. His career numbers speak for themselves. He is rated 77 of 100 and has a 53.9% catch pct. That is before this year. There is a reason why only Miami and Vikings made him an offer.

Posted by: Bill Arnsparger | November 18, 2013 at 08:05 PM

You've become as paranoid as other posters are here.
You're supposed to be a cop, so, you of ALL people should know this is no way of collecting EVIDENCE.

You of all people should know you would have ZERO to take the DA, basing a case on FULL ASSUMPTION.

I don't feed into the paranoia. I skip over post I feel are aliases.


Posted by: benz | November 18, 2013 at 08:03 PM

My friend I am not here to bash Wallace. His career numbers speak for themselves. He is rated 77 of 100 and has a 53.9% catch pct. That is before this year. There is a reason why only Miami and Vikings made him an offer.

Posted by: Bill Arnsparger | November 18, 2013 at 08:08 PM


Benz, he's only here to bash me. We had a disagreement that he refuses to le go. So I guess I'll have to be e bigger man from now on out.

Posted by: Sam I Am | November 18, 2013 at 08:11 PM

You prove yourself to be Daytona because nobody could be that dumb to continuously post the same crap lies that you do day in and day out.

Everybody knows why you are here Sam I exposed you weeks ago. They all dislike you...they know who you are. You bring absolutely nothing to the blog because you are only here to get a rise out of Dolphins fans with your constant factless rants against Tannehill. You are Daytona/ YG/FIRE ROSS....EXPOSED

Kris comes in here all the time with his post against Tannehill. The difference is Kris comes with facts, stats and evidence to support his opinion.
Craig M, MIT, Phins78, Jj, Dashi and even Marco come in here with differing opinions and it never gets to name calling...never.

Now 5-5, it is possible to make a playoff run, just wonder how probable it really is. Mistakes, miscues, missed tackles, missed deep balls. All need to be cleaned up.

My greatest fear is "backing into the playoffs" and enduring another total embarrassment. We need not become even more of a national joke than we presently are.

So from this point forward I totally ignore any post that I believe comes from Daytona/YG/Sam I am/FIRE ROSS/Truth/and the 20 other names she post under.
I am Bill Arnsparger all the time and its my real name. I don' hide behind an alias. Greg William Arnsparger...look it up!!

I also hope Sam Brenner is a legitimate answer as ne starting LG. But, most likely, Pouncey's back at center and Garner's back at LG.

But, Brenner's play Sunday, does seem to give a nice option whenever we need him to fill in again. After yesterday, no way we can ever place him back on practice squad again. He wouldn't last a day before being poached.

The Miami Dolphins control there own destiny for a playoff spot.

Bill.....thats fine, re: Wallace.....and I'm not here to argue about him, or back him continuosly.....but to your point and to be accurate, the Steelers offered him a 5 yr, 55 mill $ contract the summer before that he turned down--the Steelers, the team that knows him best, is conservative and extremely well run, and very good at evaluating talent (and character for the most part.....they look away when it involves their QB, like every team would do)--and the Steelers could certainly use him this year it seems--not saying he's all-world and yes we overpaid him (which we all knew, but is often necessary in free agency, especially when you're lousy at drafting impact WRs)--just saying....

if TH doesnt underthrow him in Indy and yesterday, he has 2 more TDs.....and maybe another or at least another big play if he doesnt throw it out of bounds to him last week--not enough production, I agree, but THs accuracy or lack of, has been a pretty significant factor (aint bashing TH either.....just a fact). Unfortunately, when diva WRs (ie. "most") dont get the ball much or arent producing much, they get frustrated......attitude suffers.....not good--but welcome to diva WRs......

Good points Benz....although even in Pittsburgh Wallace was not the #1 WR. We definitely over paid for a #2 WR that catches only 53.9% of the balls thrown his way career wise. My only point is that Tannehill is not to blame for Wallace not getting the ball. His number doesn't get called much by Sherman because the staff just does not trust Wallace to come down with the ball. That being said if we could get a ball hawk WR opposite Wallace we would then see the value of Wallace. Too bad we let Marshall go. Wallace and Marshall together would be awesome.

Lets go Carolina! Knock the Pats back to 7-3 we have an outside chance to finished tied for the division crown.

Pats still have Denver on their schedule and the Ravens in Baltimore. Still our best chance of doing this is playing our best football of the entire season, finishing winning 6 straight.

Which is possible, but, not nearly as probable.

To bad mouth our QB that outplayed the #4 offense in the NFL...seems to be in poor taste and silly. The guy won the game with more accurate passing. Sorry if you guys can't take that reality. Fact is every QB in the league makes mistakes. I don't see any perfect QB's in this league. Maybe your expectations are tad high?

Lets hope this is the beginning of a 2 game losing streak for the Pats. Tonight's game is in Carolina, next week they have the Broncos at Foxboro.

No way they beat the Broncos, so a loss tonight would be 2 in row coming for the Pats.

Bill......I do agree on your point about Sherman.....maybe he doesnt trust him to fight for the ball, maybe he just hasnt found a way to work him in enough, maybe TH doesnt look for him enough, or checks down, or whatever......probably a combination of all of the above, and I have felt all along that his presence alone is very valuable, opening things up for other players (exactly what we're seeing)--but thats not worth 60 mill, agreed, and Wallace is obviously not gonna be happy in that role anyway, rightfully so--we forced him the ball vs Indy, with good results.....I just think we need to force it to him more, and let it play out.....but we'll never get 60 mill in value....but the Lions also cant possibly get the 714 million in value that they paid Johnson either (exaggerated, yes).

Posted by: TruthhurTs | November 18, 2013 at 08:41 PM

BEST POST OF THE DAY!!

CUBAN MENACE, IM COMING TO GET YOU...

Go Fins...

I'm sorry bill but every time I see your name I think of Bill Assburger as your name. Nothing wrong with it I just wanted to point that out is all

Posted by: benz | November 18, 2013 at 08:42 PM

I think most Dolphins fans wouldn't mind if we forced the ball to Wallace...he has the speed to break one open at anytime. May keep his head in the game. I think that is a major problem with Wallace he doesn't get the ball thrown his way enough and his head is not in the game. Use him on a reverse...do a flea flicker...be creative. Damn even Sporano invented the Wild Cat to be creative!

Posted by: TruthhurTs | November 18, 2013 at 08:41 PM


Yes, to bad mouth him is one thing. Criticizing certain elements of his game are another. I give Tannehill credit where credit's due, while also outlining what he needs to clean up that drives most fans crazy.

I've never called Tannehill bust. He's far from it. I do at times get a little caught up in wanting him to be close to elite right now. I think it's the Marino effect that sometimes takes over.

Marino broke the all time single season td mark his 2nd season.


I'm sorry bill but every time I see your name I think of Bill Assburger as your name. Nothing wrong with it I just wanted to point that out is all

Posted by: Mad Much? | November 18, 2013 at 08:46 PM

LOL do you eat Assburgers? LOL

Some like to attempt to change history...unfortunately this blog holds everybodies lies. They claim to note bash a player yet on the very same blog page is the bashing....lets see Tannehill got Keller and Gibson nearly killed and then Tannhehill is responsible for Wallaces hamstring issue...the lies never stop!



I'm sorry bill but every time I see your name I think of Bill Assburger as your name. Nothing wrong with it I just wanted to point that out is all

Posted by: Mad Much? | November 18, 2013 at 08:46 PM

LOL do you eat Assburgers? LOL

Posted by: Bill Arnsparger | November 18, 2013 at 08:48 PM


Wonder if the guy accusing others of being YG/DB/Daytona 17 is really Daytona?

Who always used LOL so much it was maddening sickening? Just saying.

Benz and truthurts Im outta here. Its crazy time whenever this psycho is around. Have a great night its been good talking. Hopefully Carolina can take care fo the Pats tonight.

Probably Sam I Am, Bill Arnsparger, benz and most of he other posters here is the same guy arguing with himself. Creating a lot of hits here, that's for sure.

Lets go Panthers!

Posted by: oscar canosa | November 18, 2013 at 08:55 PM

Arnsparger is about s sensitive as Daytona, always looking to provoke a fight. Beginning to seem like he's pretending to be someone else.

But we know.

What would I do without Deytiona here? Probably die of boredom.

Carolina has a nice rive going!

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