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Incognito considered black in Dolphins locker room

One of the most curious aspects of the Richie Incognito-Jonathan Martin story is how race has become very much a part of it outside the Dolphins locker room -- in the media and among fans and observers -- but not at all so far within the Dolphins locker room.

Think of this:

Richie Incognito left Jonathan Martin a voice mail that, among other things, called Martin a "half-n----r." And Dolphins players of color, knowing of the voicemail, have expressed no problems with Incognito.

"I don't have a problem with Richie," Mike Wallace said. "I love Richie."

"I don't think Richie is a racist," cornerback Brent Grimes said.

"Richie Incognito isn't a racist," tight end Michael Egnew said.

ESPN analyst and former Dolphins wide receiver Cris Carter has know Mike Pouncey since the player's childhood. Today Carter said on air he recently spoke to Mike Pouncey and the center, who is Incognito's friend, addressed race.

"They don't feel as if he's a racist, they don't feel as if he picked on Jonathan repeatedly and bullied him, but if they could do it all over again there would be situations that they might change but they’re very, very comfortable with Richie,” Carter said.

 “They think it’s sad, not only that Jonathan’s not on the football team, but also that Richie is being depicted as a bigot and as a racist.”

How is this possible?

Well, I've spoken to multiple people today about this and the explanation from all of them is that in the Dolphins locker room, Richie Incognito was considered a black guy. He was accepted by the black players. He was an honorary black man.

And Jonathan Martin, who is bi-racial, was not. Indeed, Martin was considered less black than Incognito.

"Richie is honarary," one player who left the Dolphins this offseason told me today. "I don't expect you to understand because you're not black. But being a black guy, being a brother is more than just about skin color. It's about how you carry yourself. How you play. Where you come from. What you've experienced. A lot of things."

Another former Dolphins employee told me Martin is considered "soft" by his teammates and that's a reason he's not readily accepted by some of the players, particularly the black players. His background -- Stanford educated and the son of highly educated people -- was not necessarily seen as a strength or a positive by some players and it perpetuated in the way Martin carried himself.

And so -- agree with it or not, comprehend it or not -- this is a reason the Dolphins haven't turned on Incognito as a racist.

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Besides,"what is this Army Boot Camp, Military Camp, I would not want to play for those a-holes", somebody, here, yesterday.

The funniest thing about this is how everyone is portraying this like Martin is a little child being bullied. Martin is a big big man. Actually bigger than Cogs. He very well could be a gentle giant, which also means he has no business playing football. No doubt he is smart, so he is setting himself up for a nice lawsuit because he knew he didn't want to and couldn't play at the level needed to succeed. He will get a nice settlement from the team and NFL. I will say it every time. Shame on the phoney players in front of the camera's acting holier than thou!

If I was French Canadian, I'd spell my nae with a C like the other guy in here who is obviously French ...

Not crazy about the moose, but I love our other national animal .. the BEAVER

Do you guys know that j mart has an uncle named TOM?

DC, you think all Canadians are white?? That's racist!!

Now when you say dominated, are you talking about impact on a game or pure #s in terms of number of players?

Cause if you talk about Impact on the game, there will be a discussion brewing as per black dominated ...

If COGS is Suspended by the NFL or even reprimanded in any way, then the NFL networks better not ever show a single clip of Dick Butkus, Ray Nitschke, Jack Lambert, Mean Joe Green, Mike Curtis, John Matuzak, jack Tatum, Lyle Alzado et all. They want to promote tough guys who didn't take sh*$^ from anybody, and who by the way are probably all majorly pissed off that Martin would even think of doing something like this.
Football is played by MEN. Big Strong Mean SOBs and if you want that cash that comes from playing in the NFL,
you had better be ready to get a rash of sh*# if you're not performing.

Again,"Jonathan told me that he plans to get back into Football", Zach Ertz, Stanford teammate, from a tweet to him by JMartin.

I'm tired of all this racism in here!!!

Cold Beaver...

words are just that words. If someone you don't even know can say 1 word to you that makes you sooo offended then you are pretty weak minded. Wheres all the outrage with the Redskins name? not only did we use them as slaves but we pretty much whipped out there entire race. O plus we took over there land and we "discovered it". How can you discover it when people already lived here. Then we hold a holiday for Columbus. Just another example of the bs medias hypocrisy.

I believe both players will be playing in the NFL. The Dolphin players have Incognito's back and the upper-management wanted Martin toughened up, that is a great defense for Incognito. Who will be playing in the NFL next season with some team. Martin will most likely play also according to his for college teammate. What a mess for the Dolphins and I'm curious who will be fired. This sounds like an Ireland type deal in upper management and it would not surprise me that Jeff was the one that gave the directive to toughen Martin or at the very least was aware of other players trying to make Martin tougher.

also, when your having a private conversation it should be just that. I would love to hear some of the private conversations of senators, congress and presidents. I guarantee they are waaaaay worse then what incognito said.

Hey Jack....

Let me know when you THINK you have set me straight...

Didn't we talk about yourdelusions of granduer last week...

I forgot what you called yourelf then...

I told you..and I will tell you again...Thinking that it is your job to "show people the way" is a sign mental disorder....seek help...

It's Cold Gin time again ....

So when will Philbin admit he ordered the code red on Martin?

Kris,

We talked about this same thing yesterday.

Again, I agree with you that people shouldn't be saying that word or be making that assumption.

But to some people being black is more than just a color.

Mando,

The term is "Blacker". Yes, it isn't really a word but that is how it is suppose to be said.

J.Martin is Black. The Players are just saying Incognito is Blacker than Martin.

Basically, Incognito gets a "Hood Pass". Martin never had One.

It is probable that Martin will return to Play under his former Coach, Jim Harbaugh.

If you keep to yourself and don't break your arm patting yourself on the back or strain a muscle celebrating an average play you are stuck-up (and I guess also white despite you skin color)

Posted by: John
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Wow John did Jimmy the Greek convey all this knowledge to you prior to his death.....Just wondering!

November 06, 2013 at 02:30 PM

I'm good buddy...but thanks for trying to...show me the way!!!
BTW...I'm only Jack!...so try that schtick on someone else...bro...


So when will Philbin admit he ordered the code red on Martin?

Posted by: Black Finhead | November 06, 2013 at 02:31 PM

when krisy admits she isn't that bright. in other words, never.

OK.....@ 2:34...

thats what you always say....

and your WORD is your BOND....

just like you started off the day saying you were done posting here...and have posted NONSTOP since...lol...

but your nobody else...just Jack...a man who's word soesn't mean SH@T.....

nice to meet you....

Dashi....

Kings to you...

we did talk about this yesterday...and my stance doesn't change....

however...you were a bit ahead of Armando on this one...so congrats for that....


just like you started off the day saying you were done posting here...and have posted NONSTOP since...lol...

but your nobody else...just Jack...a man who's word soesn't mean SH@T.....

nice to meet you....

Posted by: Kris | November 06, 2013 at 02:39 PM

You know darn well the king of saying they're leaving only to post nonstop is none other than The Mouth.

Hell, he did it a dozen times yesterday in 1 blog topic!

Funny thing a thug white dude gets more support then the victim ... That's why the world is screwed up now!!!!!

Did you order the Code Red!?!

I did what I had to do.

DID YOU ORDER THE CODE RED!!!??!?!!???

YOU'RE GOD DAMNED RIGHT I DID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Martin was going to quit before the breakdown.

Maybe he talked to his parents about this and his parents being the conniving geniuses that they are told him don't quit, sue them. Start collecting evidence for when you do quit, they have to pay you a settlement.

If ONE THING is evident in this whole process it is that Martin doesn't love Football.

And if your heart isn't into it, Quit!! Else you might get injured or worst get someone else injured.

Martin is softer than Charmin. But his recent actions have shown he is a Manipulating Punk.


Again,"Jonathan told me that he plans to get back into Football", Zach Ertz, Stanford teammate, from a tweet to him by JMartin.

Posted by: oscar canosa | November 06, 2013 at 02:24 PM
====================================================== Saw the interview this AM. What you left out was Ertz answer to "Do you think he'll play for the Dolpnins?"
His answer was, he (Martin) didn't say but he didn't think so.
Martin stands to get all (4.8 million) of his contract if he never plays another day in Miami. Not bad for a year & a half work. But that's small potatoes compared to what a civil suit or a settlement from the Dolphins would be. I would be surprised if he ever plays another down anywhere. And not just because other teams might not want him. I'm convinced he does not want to play football.

You might want to read the Forbes article

Because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you *want* me on that line. You *neeed* me on that line!!!!

No Mark, I'm talking about racial makeup of the league. Dominated in the sense of the majority of football players are black. Like the majority of Canadians (and Americans) are white. Get it?

Did you order the Code Red!?!

I did what I had to do.

DID YOU ORDER THE CODE RED!!!??!?!!???

YOU'RE GOD DAMNED RIGHT I DID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Clayton Bigsby!!! That is his name. WHITE POWER!!!! Chapelle is crazy.

Consider yourself in Contempt!*
Kaffee: *Colonel Jessep, did you order the Code Red?*
Judge Randolph: You *don't* have to answer that question!
Col. Jessep: I'll answer the question!
[to Kaffee]
Col. Jessep: You want answers?
Kaffee: I think I'm entitled to.
Col. Jessep: *You want answers?*
Kaffee: *I want the truth!*
Col. Jessep: *You can't handle the truth!*
[pauses]
Col. Jessep: Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
Kaffee: Did you order the Code Red?
Col. Jessep: I did the job I...
Kaffee: *Did you order the Code Red?*
Col. Jessep: *You're Goddamn right I did!*
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bro i need to go watch a few good men and get amped up

it's time to leave and get another quart....

I'm just saying some blacks consider people like Ricky Williams and Johnathan Martin not black or look down upon them, or envy them or ignore them or hold a quiet hate for them, because they talk and act differently than they do. It is a "he thinks he is better than me" attitude even though they have no idea what he thinks or knows.

This is based upon the supposed reality that Incognito is considered black (because of his outspokenness and toughness?)

But when whites whip out statistical facts regarding crime, violence, abandoning females with children, promiscuity, the percentage of abortions and single mothers compared to other ethnicities it is racism.

But when close to 100% of whites know O.J. is a murderer and close to 100% of blacks deny it, it is because they are "open-minded". When 94% of blacks vote for Obama, skin color has nothing to do with it at all right? They just like him better for some other reason? Even the ones who voted for him without knowing who his running mate was or where he stood on the issues.

Stereo-types are generally true they are based upon realities.

I'm Irish, here are, what I know to be accurate stereotypes. Not 100% true for all but generally true for most or many.

Irish are big drinkers.
Irish tend to exaggerate "but never lie" :o)
Irish are down on their luck and can't cook.
Irish brood and dwell on the negatives.

I'm racist? No. I'm aware of reality. I have encountered it and experienced it.

There is a double-standard when it comes to accusing people of being racist.

I believe there is only one race, the human race, as we all have descended from an Original Pair. And I would have voted for Alan Keyes if he was running (full black and not a half black BTW). So being "racist" has nothing to do with my comments.

how bout bullying other teams instead of your own team-mate??? no wonder we are always 7-9 and giving up QB pressures & sacks. if richie is our leader we are in trouble.

i thought the majority of Americans were Mexicans...

Bullying, who said anything about bullying? That seemed like harassment to me.

Kris,

I'm accustomed to having some of my comments get repeated by a certain someone. What I would do with those connections and Access to the team. Trust me, everyone here would be getting fresh Info on the team. The latest Scoops. Yes, Dashi is a Huge Homer. But a job is a job. I will make sure everyone gets both sides of the info. Not be particularly partial to anyone side. Butter up Ireland for a Monthly Team report. Even if a couple days later I write a commentary on what he said.

Now watch his troll come to his defense. With his Dashi rant.

Beginning to sound more like the Dolphins could have to law suits on their hands. One with Martin and one with Cogs.

With all of the black players siding with Cogs, Cogs himself may end up with a strong enough case to sue Jonathan Martin. Because Martin knew the voice mail was not in racist content, yet used it to try an destroy Cog's career.

I'm enjoying the moronic comments from the cowardly bigots on here. Maybe you guys should get neutered so your douchebag gene doesn't get passed down? Thanks!

John,

You forgot another thing.

Irish aren't scared to fight.

Can't believe the morons posting here. Everyone in South Florida cannot be this stupid.
The idiot has acted like an idiot over and over all his life. There is no one in the NFL that is soft. They may not be as insane as others but you don't get there or play without being tough.
Incognito will stay incognito for a long time!!!!

Cam Wake named AFC Defensive Player of the week. Anybody care about football anymore?


i thought the majority of Americans were Mexicans...

Posted by: wallyfin | November 06, 2013 at 02:56 PM
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Que? Sorry, I couln't resist

JMartin has said that he wants to get back into Football and cocoajoe says he is convinced that JMartin does not want to play Football. Confusing stuff here, who to believe of these two, Jmartin or cocoajoe?

An honorary black man ? I know that the jews who've run MTV would like us all to worship ghetto culture, and this has worked on gen Y culture to a tee...know what I'm sayin. Yet only hispanics really gravitate towards behaving and thinking like moolies. I'm honored to be a white dude...ya feelin me ?

Stop hatin on the master race.

It's also beginning to appear Dolphin hierarchy rushed to judgement in suspension of Cogs.

It's now beginning to seem Martin was far more deliberate in going after the Cogs than vice versa.

Saving a voice mail for 6mths seems like Martin placed a very much deliberate planning into this. I mean, who the hell saves a voice mail for 6MTHS without having an ULTERIOR MOTIVE for doing this?

Mike Pouncey is saying that Martin has said he wanted to quit on different occasions.

FUNNY HOW THE DOMINOES BEGAN TO FALL 1 WEEK AFTER JONATHAN MARTIN IS MOVED BACK TO RIGHT TACKLE.

ANYONE ELSE NOTICE?

I really can't believe how much IGNORANCE is between the years of the PLAYERS on this team....it's no wonder they can win football games....especially with the (lack of) leadership cultivating the environment...

Who wants to bleep Mutumbo ?

he did say something about taking one of 2 roads didn't he.. i guess this is what he meant...

3rd person talking momo,

Picking fruit for pennies a piece is more like a hobby than a job.

Stop trying to act as if your existence in this country is meaningful.

Imagine having to go through life with the name Pierre.

Pierre = peter = dick.

"Hi ladies, my name is Pierre."

You're done right there.

Generally speaking Irish are not scarred to fight.

They love a debate and that proves true to me.

The are afraid of a physical altercation either, generally speaking, but I am. I will run and scream or play dead before I fight. So again, stereotypes are not always true but are generally true, at least in certain circumstances where location, finances and education are considered. City country, rich poor, uneducated educated effect how the general stereotypes play out. Also year. There was I time when non-whites where very polite and respectful. But society as a whole has fallen. No one is polite and respectful anymore, it seems at times. There were times when people dressed modestly and were far less promiscuous in all races. Not now.

Objectively speaking we should treat one another the way we would want to be treated. People should not be hazed or forced to do anything. I don't care if it is the "way" of the locker room or not. Objectively speaking it is evil to degrade or humiliate anyone for fun or even just to make him tougher. You can tell the guy you need to play with more nastiness or anger without treating him like a fool.

The NFL is a culture all it's own and I respect that. Their norms are different than what each individual has within it's own home and culture.

It's impossible to look cool wearing a sweater.

It's impossible to look cool riding a scooter.

It's impossible to look cool wearing the Dolphins gay new logo.

Funny how everybody seems to scoop Mando!

I was just listening to Erik Reid on 790 and apparently Incognito released a statement.

While receiving his new Ferrari being delivered by truck to his home (funny he would drop that coin now given I think his playing days are over) Incognito told the ESPN reporters that he was told by Coach Philbin to "TOUGHEN" Martin up!

You would think Mando would have dropped a story on it by now but?

Incognito told the NFL Investigators that he was given a directive to deal with Martin whom they viewed as "SOFT"

If any of this is proven true the H.C. and the G.M. should be fired on the spot!

Sad to hear that the locker would first 'adopt' a guy with a rap sheet that would put pac man jones into shame than a guy that only fault was coming from a privileged family and going to a top university.

Even from a football perspective, I am curious as to why such a hard ass coach like Harbaugh kept Martin as his starting LT protecting the best QB in the nation in what is(together with Bama's line) the best O Line in college for the past 4-5 years. I guess Harbaugh and David Shaw are just as stupid as Ireland.

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