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Sage Rosenfels: Ireland 'worst GM'

First the ProFootballTalk story that implicates Jeff Ireland as having knowledge of Jonathan Martin's complaints that Richie Incognito was making his life difficult. And now a former Dolphins player is taking to twitter gutting the Dolphins general manager with his words.

Sage Rosenfels played for the Dolphins from 2002 to 2005 and then for a short time in 2011. And during that second stint he acquired a distaste for Ireland.

"I played for 5 teams and 9 GMs and Ireland is the only 1 I had a problem with," Rosenfels tweeted today. "I only spent two weeks on the Dolphins when Ireland was the GM. In that short time he won the award for worst GM in my career."

Then, on twitter, Rosenfels added a hashtag -- #jerk 

And then, in the context of the Incognito-Martin scandal on his mind, Rosenfels went on to describe his problem:

"My reasons for my disdain for Ireland are a long story. It took about an hour to find out what everyone in that locker room thought of him. Two months after being put on Non Football Injury list with mono, I had gotten healthy and wanted to play. He wouldn't let me off NFI.....because the Dolphins played the Raiders that week and he didn't want them to sign me as I knew the Phins offense. Makes sense except...the Raiders were the only NFL team that had 4 QBs on their roster. He waited until late Friday to release me figuring nobody would....sign me that late in the week. Luckily, the Vikings cut McNabb and signed me that night. There is more but that is the basics of it.

"I understand GMs always put their teams first. I respect that. But he was being a jerk just because he could. That's why he won the award. Everyone gets screwed over at some point in their career. It's the business. But there is story after story that has the same ring to it."

Rosenfels, obviously believing the ProFootballTalk story on Ireland, also said: "I have no reason to help out either side. I hope it ends sooner than later. Just giving my two cents. The whole situation is a tragedy."

Actually, Rosenfels was represented during his playing days by agent Rick Smith. And Smith is one of the agents representing Martin.

So I reached out to Rosenfels and asked him to address that apparent bias.

"I haven't even talked to Rick," he told me. "I'd say the same thing if IMG or Dave Dunn represented Martin. Or if Rick represented Richie."

Obviously, this is a sad story for the entire Dolphins organization. Players in the locker room are expressing their opinions and they solidly back Incognito. Players around the league are expressing their opinions and they're ripping the entire Dolphins organization and its leadership structure.

And today two former Dolphins -- Lydon Murtha and Rosenfels -- are sharing their thoughts. And neither is too impressed with Ireland or the Dolphins coaching staff.

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So Phins 78....

If you post something....that people don't agree with....then iys just you posting it...

If I disagree with you...then I am Bullying you...or starting a fight...

You have really shown yourself to be something other than I orginally had thought you to be...

My bad...thats not on you...its on me....

I don't want to Incognito you...you clearly live in your own world...and any opinion that doesn't fit in that world must really upset you....

but if you think that for EVEN ONE SECOND that I am gonna sit back and let you post what you like with out challenging it if I disagree...then you must have thought different of me as well....

I'm Kris...nice to meet you...

You don't have to resppond...you even have the option of ignoring...but you can not stop me from hitting the send button...

Funny...

Those that act the most Macho on this site...always seem to be the most sensitive...

"How about having a creep like Incognito as one of the veteran voices in your locker room? You can’t measure the destruction this one bad apple caused, but you can see it."

EXACTLY!

lets hope this is finally the straw that gets ireland fired

And what am I talking about. You got me all confused and spun around here Kris. I'm not talking FOR them I'm speaking AGAINST them. And if you read my post it's not even against really. I am trying to understand the outrage and vitriol, trying to understand the hypocrisy. It's funny to me that the media chastises players on a daily basis to a national audience but when a player does it to another player behind closed doors that's where they draw the line?!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am trying to explain the reason why this is a national news story because when you really think hard, it shouldn't be. We have so much to worry about in this country right now yet the main story is about a grown man bullying another grown man in a sport.

Kris what has you so angry that you refuse to be objective on this matter? I have called out Richie and Martin, the coaches, gm, and the media. EVERYONE PLAYS A PART.

So far I have only seen you mad over the alleged victim and you don't have any facts in the case except for Martins side portrayed through ONE SINGULAR VOICEMAIL.

I'm loaded for bear today Kris, bring it my friend.


BIll, if there was a better place, I'd be there.

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | November 07, 2013 at 01:43 PM

When you find a better place without all the arseholes let us me know....until then Im out. I gotta go get a TACO and Lobstertube time!!

Kris,

Can you please fit Craig M in your purse & find another blog?

Bring Bill with you. Anyone who has to repeat themselves at nauseum like you 3 do, obviously have attention issues.

Sincerely,

The fans need to insist Ireland is fired. Ross is so indecisive.

And let me pile on Joe (or whatever you want to be called this time). I'm happy to debate and hear ALL points of view. Phins had a different opinion than me, Craig, Mark, Bill. You don't see me berating them and name-calling. No, but I'm not Jonathan Martin. When someone does that to me, I respond in kind. Not because I own the blog, but because I'll own ANYONE that tries to demean me. That's where I draw the line.

All anyone has to do to get along with me is debate my point-of-view, don't attack me personally. If you do that, we have no problem. When you come at me with personal attacks, then war is war!

I have to say that it's very disappointing to be a Dolphin fan now.

It's been 40 years since they won an NFL Championship.

It's been 30 yeas since they played in a Superbowl.

It's been 20 years since they won a divisional playoff game.

It's been 13 years since they won a playoff game of any sort.

It's been five years since they had a winning record.

It's been forever since they had a good draft.

This year's team is deeply flawed with dreadful OL play, the worst rookie class in the league, a regression of the offense and the defense and now a scandal that may have marathon legs.

The team has shamed itself in many, many ways.

The Parcells/Ireland/Ponte way has failed. It's time to try something very different.

"Fox is slanted right and EVERYTHING else is slanted left...FACT!"

NOT A FACT...

"We have bullying........FACT"

NOT A PROVEN FACT...

"We have workplace violence......FACT"

again...NOT A PROVEN FACT...

"We have a white man using the "N" word....FACT"

Only FACTUAL thing mentioned...

See what I mean...either just blatant posts of non-fatcs or skewing for a personal agenada...
Dont take offense...it seems to be the way of the world...

Kris go through that first post back to you and explain how I'm being sensitive please.

It feels like we are having different conversations here. You called me out for my opinion, kudos, I have no problem with that.

But after calling me out I'm allowed to explain myself correct? Or am I supposed to sulk into the corner and tuck my tail? Very confusing, wasn't being sensitive, I was under the impression we were having a spirited debate.

Someone asked if JMartin was "lawyered up". He is his family hired one of the best sports attorneys in the country. Get ready for a big time lawsuit. David Cornwell. Represents big time players like Arod. Dolphins are looking at 50mil lawsuit.

Jack! everything mentioned in your post @156 is a fact...how about you enlighten us with some supporting evidence to the contrary. You cannot just post not a fact....give us the basis for your statement?

Okay, the go find your bully thing.

That came from the condescending tone in your post to me. So yeah, I was sensitive to being talked down to.

Once again, sensitive when someone talks down to me is not the same as telling someone not to use me as an unwilling ally in their attacks against another poster.

If you can prove the correlation I would love to agree.

Dolphins are looking at 50mil lawsuit.

Posted by: beerphin | November 07, 2013 at 01:56 PM

More

If there is a lawsuit, Ross will ask for taxes to be raised to help him pay it if he loses.


If there is a lawsuit, Ross will ask for taxes to be raised to help him pay it if he loses.

Posted by: Sigh | November 07, 2013 at 01:59 PM

LMAO!!

"Fox is slanted right and EVERYTHING else is slanted left...FACT!"

NOT A FACT...

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LOL You are a dumb liberal if you don't know everything except fox leans left.

EEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYTTTTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG

Arent you glad Ross didnt get taxpayer charity??

Jack! are you the keeper of this blog? You seem to have no problem giving that title to others. Yet it seems like it is you who doesn't allow others to express an opinion. Kinda like calling the kettle black. Huh? SMH

I was under the impression we were having a spirited debate.

Posted by: Phins78 | November 07, 2013 at 01:56 PM

You must have also been under the impression Kris wasn't the most intellectually challenged poster here and a chronic flipper.

You might start questioning your own intelligence if after all this time you still don't realize Kris is not competent for debate with anyone over 7.

actually Phins 78....

I have heard the voicemail....and it wasn't that bad...they played it on 106.7 the FAN here in DC....and like Armando said...they didn't play the part @ the end where COGS says..."call me back"...

So while I do understand the context (imo)...it wasn't that bad...

but my opinion doesn't matter...not even a little bit...

I am objective...I just can't find a side with which COGS side is acceptable to me....

even if he was "ordered" "asked" to toughen up Martin...he went about it about as wrongly as one possibly can....

He crossed the line....The FO/Staff didn't give Martin a place where he felt he could have blown off some steam...and talk to someone about this issue....

Martin made a bad decsion...we agree there...but he didn't have any good choices....

If Martin is as soft as most believe...do you honsetly believe he stood a chance against COGS in a fist fight....so fighting...bad choice...

Cogs has the WHOLE locker room in his corner....so...going to a team mate....bad choice....

After meeting with Philbin....Philbin releases statement saying..."no bullying took place"....soo....bad choice....

GM tells agent..."punch him in the face"....alreadu covered...bad choice...and again...no backing from mangement...

Martin made a Horrible decision....

I just don't understand why you and others can't sympathize...if not empathize with what it must have took to arrive @ such a HORRIBLE decision....

Do you think he or his parents didn't see this SH@T storm comming a mile away....

Look @ what he has given up....probably something you or I would die to have the oppertunity to have....

perhaps @ one time...he thought the same way...

To give up all of this...its got to be more to it....

and that is what I am standing by @ this time.....

and the FINS do lack leaders....apperantly...it was JMART v. 52 other football players..and the staff....who could possibly stand up to that...

If I have to explain why...it has not yet been a proven fact that bullying and workplace violence have occured on the Miami Dolphins...you wouldn't understand the explanation anyway...

So Phins 78....

If you post something....that people don't agree with....then iys just you posting it...

If I disagree with you...then I am Bullying you...or starting a fight...

You have really shown yourself to be something other than I orginally had thought you to be...

Kris

See yourself. read it, it's right there. I gave an opinion you didn't agree with so instead of answering me in an adult manner you proceeded to talk to me like a child.

You could have stated your opinion or distaste of my post in a different way, it didn't need to include all the caps and smh stuff.

No please Jack don't take he punks way out here. You LOVE to call other out. Well consider this your chance to shut us all up. Enlighten us with your explanation...please sir?

sounds more like an ex player with an axe to grind with Ireland than an unbiased source.. 2 wks and you can judge Ireland as the worst GM ever.. Very clear that the village idiots are running the show here. No one waiting for actual facts (full facts like the VM's last sentence, "ok, call me back".. This is sad.

Incognito should be in jail with A Hernandez. Glad that lowlife is off my team.

Phins...

I agee on the spirited debate....

it was the first line that got this sent down the wrong path..."go find your bully"....

It seemed to me that you weren't open-minded....

Its how words come across a computer screen sometimes...the meaning isn't always clear....

but in any case...that is my take @ 2:02...

Jack or better yet learn to fukkin read. Where did Bill say this was proven? Bill stated that the press was allover this story because it had juicy stuff they like to use for there liberal agenda. The libs love racism, bullying and work place violence....WHETER its there or not. Got it DUMMY??

Posted by: good god u dummy | November 07, 2013 at 02:01 PM

Really Bill... if you say so...

The following are generally considered to be conservative news outlets, based either on self-identification or their perceived content.

Accuracy in Media
Avinu News Avinu News.com
Citizens United
The Conservative Voice conservativevoice.com
Conservatives Forum conservativesforum.com
Constitution Society constitution.org
Cybercast News Service
Drudge Report
Ether Zone etherzone.com
The Federal Observer federalobserver.com
The Third Report ThirdReport.com
Federal Review federalreview.com
Fox News: Bill O'Reilly (O'Reilly Factor); Shepard Smith; Greta Van Susteren; Brit Hume; Rita Crosby
Free Republic
FrontPageMag.com
GOPUSA
Hannity & Colmes (Fox News)
Human Events Online humaneventsonline.com
LewRockwell.com lewrockwell.com
Media Research Center: "Tracking Liberal Media Bias Since 1996."
MensNewsDaily.com
Move America Forward
Mullings mullings.com
National Review Online
NewsMax NewsMax.com
The Northern Right northernright.com
The Patriotist patriotist.com
The Third Report ThirdReport.com
Restoring America restoringamerica.org
RightMarch.com / rightmarch.com
Right Wing News rightwingnews.com
Rush Limbaugh
Sierra Times sierratimes.com
Talon News (see article)
Town Hall
Wall Street Journal Opinion opinionjournal.com
Washington Times
Weekly Standard
WorldNetDaily


...OOPS...

Also I if I considered myself anything it woule be libertarian...but I dont do labels...they are pretty stupid...

I am sensitive to what you say to me because we have been talking for a while. I respect your opinions and enjoy our talks when they are friendly. I even put up with the condescending tones from time to time because you've earned that with me from lots of fun and interesting debates and I've been guilty too.

The guy who just showed up a couple of weeks ago has not earned my trust and has certainly not earned it enough that he can speak for me.

SPMM...I don't know what the FK you are talking about man...

So Kris, if the voicemail didn't offend you then in which part of this whole ordeal did Incognito cross the line?

even if he was "ordered" "asked" to toughen up Martin...he went about it about as wrongly as one possibly can....
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I'm going to answer this one in pieces so we canget on the same page.

I am in total agreement with this first part of the post.

Again JACK.... Bill said Main Stream Media....you really gotta learn to fukkin read and stop doing what you accuse everybody else of doing. That's using YOUR facts to fit your theory/agenda. That list is not Main Stream. Consider your self outted by the Stay Puft Marshmellow Man!

So where is Jeff Ireland in all of this? Has he set the story straight? Or is he curled up in the fetal position hiding?

i can only speculate but what seems most believable is simply this...the offensive line under duress due to poor play that had some projecting a record sack breaking season was stressed to the limit, prior jokes and texts in the past didn't help, but when you factor in that martin who like most players on the O-LINE were already carrying a good amount of guilt felt even MORE responsable, or even unwanted as the entire luch table abandoned him, he had reached his breaking point...this was a very bad time for such a joke...given, i believe that martin had been dealing with some ribbing, but i also believe that it was never something that he felt he couldn't handle, nor was it ever to the point that he had let on that he was bothered by it, this would explain why players and coaches alike were unaware of a problem...but like i said, the straw that broke the camels back was the lunch table incident where martin felt unwanted or abandoned by his teamates, the stress and the pressure to preform that week had to be huge, add in the fact that bryant mckinney had recently been signed and their you have it.

Kris sorry about the bully line, that wasn't necessary from me so I apologize.

lolol good god you dummy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Which of those, ASIDE FROM FOX, are considered MAIN STREAM MEDIA!

Like, CNN, ABC, CBS, MSNBC

You are a FRIGGIN JOKE & I'm NOT BILL. Stay puft certainly is though!

I couldn't tell you weren't a dumb liberal. You're the only 1 here who thinks the media isn't biased to the zaney left like you!

DOPE!

Murtha and Rosenfells...two Dolphins legends. Rosenfells is being a jerk as he only spent two weeks with Ireland. Is that enough time for him to label him as the worst GM ever? More to the point, Rosenfell's tweets have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MARTIN/INCOGNITO STORY!!!!!!!

Armando, why are you offering this as a testimony against Ireland?

as harsh as this sounds I think Martin went to the hospital cuz his lawyer parents, agent, and lawyer told him it will help his lawsuit. I sincerely doubt a guy making millions of dollars playing a game is emotionally that messed up. To me he went to make his case stronger. Emotional damage. IMO

Posted by: Phins78 | November 07, 2013 at 02:09 PM

who is the guy that showed up a few weeks ago?

Armando isn't contributing much to this story - just repeating ESPN chatter. Dave Hyde at the Sentinel has the best story yet. He's following the money. So far no one has laid all this out in a way that makes much sense. The Hyde story is one scenario that does.


but I dont do labels...they are pretty stupid...

Posted by: Jack! | November 07, 2013 at 02:08 PM

As you are. Sounds like you & labels are a good match!

But, not a coincidence a liberal would deny something everybody else recognizes.

Sincerely,

1. Brandon Marshall......head case that nobody wanted
2. Reggie Bush.....he was not the star N.O. drafted #2
3. Mike Wallace..."1 trick pony" only 2 teams bid for
4. Carlos Dansby...please child??
5. Brent Grimes...damaged goods no bonifide offers

By Bad Bill A. "I deal in facts, facts".

Hmmmmm, them statements above Bill, look like opinions to me. Good players don't come here aye ?

Enjoy your Taco Bill, careful to chew your food first big boy.

Posted by: good god u dummy | November 07, 2013 at 02:12 PM

Thanks for the support of the truth. But I am not Bill. I think Bill is a pompous ass that thinks his "facts" are untouchable. On this issue he happens to be right though.

Phins 78...

My condensending tone usually only comes out when I feel as if I have been attacked.....

and I respect your opinion's as well...you know you give...every bit as good as you get....

I called you sensitive....but I didn't call you a name...as far as I can remember...I don't think either of us ever have....

Even know I have this dude who follows me from post to post....he wants to have a conversation with me...he just doesn't know he right way to go about it....he thinks calling me actuall names will rile me up into a two page debate with him....

I have learned from you....if a poster doesn't show respect (a little)...or starts of insulting...then they are not worth the time or effort....

Dude...it's 2013...not 1954...

MARCO YOU HAVE ALREADY BEEN CORRECTED MULTIPLE TIMES IN THIS BLOG. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!

MARSHALL & BUSH WERE NOT FREE AGENTS & DIDNT CHOOSE TO COME HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jesus the hypocrisy in here is making my eyes water...

JMart was engaging in the same 'bullying' against rookies that he now claims 'emotionally' challenged him. One only needs to review timelines and the context/circumstances surrounding the voice mail to see Richie was joking with his friend. JMart was a guy who always wanted Richie to be at his side. Two weeks ago they were bro's. Suddenly, he gets his panties in a wad and storms off in a jealous rage because Richie wouldn't sit with him. Honestly, people really think he was a victim of endless bullying??? THAT is your life not his. JMart is simply a Judas. You should feel sorry for Richie who has discovered his 'little brother' not only threw him under the bus, but that his 'little brother' was driving the bus that Dolphins management gave him.

Then he should get a committee of Shula, Marino and his friend Peterson to search for the next great football mgmt. team. The new mgmt. must be in place asap so that they have time to hire scouts so hat we do not miss a beat in the 2014 draft and FA period.

Posted by: Bill Arnsparger | November 07, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Sounds on paper like a great idea but have you seen the elder Shula lately?? His son Dave needs to stick to his Steak Houses and Mike has done nothing to suggest he maybe a viable answer instead of some feel good story. Marino had the gig for 2 weeks and I saw him 2 weeks ago on Inside the NFL were he admitted to Collinsworth he was at a Sr. Bowl scouting a back-up LT when he felt overwhelmed by the job and wanted out.

Petersen was in large part responsible for the mess the Chiefs became his greatest contribution was in the USFL which Ross was a part of. All this and "IF" we started our search tomorrow to get a team in place ASAP it would be severely hampered by the fact were still in Nov. meaning NO TEAM will permit you to talk to any member of their F.O. or Coaching Staff till Jan. or after elimination.

NO more "FEEL GOOD" Stories! Like JJ & Fats Tuna both respected but burned out guys who were brought in to sell tickets or at best make a short run like the 06 Heat with Shaq and Riley. I want someone like Belichik (yes I said it!) I want a guy who will stick with it for the long haul! A FIERY guy who can Coach! Here's the KICKER no G.M. POWER for that Coach of any kind given Belichik and his drafts over the last 6 Yrs. are what has that team mediocre outside Brady.

We NEED the structure of the F.O. like they had with Pioli and Demmitroff (whom inn hindsight we should have hired instead of Fats Tuna) Then look for the Coach get a conviction on a guy you feel can really Coach and pull the trigger. NO MORE FEEL GOODS! So please leave the Chucky talk at the door!

Bill = constant name changer

That's what I think its a good post at 2:02 PM, Kris.

There is no need for racism and extortion in the NFL. NUFF SAID

Nahhh Jack your eyes are watering from being outted as a troll that you are. Go back to the jets blog they will love you back there. They live in a fantasy world just like you with pretty unicorns and rainbows!

wanker = marco

Not funny. Your name says it all Bill.

So if Incognito was told to "toughen Martin up" then he may have a lawsuit against the Dolphins as well as Jonathan Martin.

Thanks Oscar....

who would have thought we would ever be on thesame page....

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