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Shotgun weddings are a bad idea

I have reported that if Stephen Ross is moved to fire someone as part of the blame game for the locker room harassment scandal or as a result of a season not meeting expectations, he is more likely to fire general manager Jeff Ireland than head coach Joe Philbin.

Ross said nothing to separate himself from that report when he spoke to the media Monday night and poured the love on thick for Philbin and didn't mention Ireland at all, other than to say the general manager is on one of his two newly appointed committees.

The bottom line?

Barring a significant change in the course for the season and the NFL investigation, it is clear Ross is apt to get rid of Ireland and keep Philbin.

And that is a terrible mistake.

No, I'm not saying firing Ireland is a mistake. I'm saying half measures are a mistake. I'm saying scapegoating is a mistake. I'm saying everyone in the Dolphins football side of the organization is responsible for the current state of affairs and picking one guy here or there to pin it on is a mistake.

I advocate full measures. If you're going to fire, then everyone should go. If you're going to keep folks, then keep everyone.

Why do I say this?

Because I'm tired of the Dolphins being a poorly run, embarrassing act that everyone else in the NFL views as a clinic for getting it wrong the past decade or so.

To me, firing an underperforming GM but keeping an underperforming coach is like identifying a cancer but getting chemo for only part of the tumor. I see it as an incomplete measure. I see it as a set-up for continued failure.

Why?

It is clear, if one studies the NFL, that teams that take these half measures typically fail.

Let's start with the Dolphins themselves.

In January 2000, Jimmy Johnson who served as both coach and GM for the Dolphins retired. But rather than go out and start anew and seek a fresh direction, Dolphins owner Wayne Huizenga allowed the man who was leaving to name his successor. Think of that. Don Shula, the winningest coach of all time, was ushered out by Huizenga and not allowed to name a successor. But Johnson was given that privilege and he named a friend to be Miami's next coach and final personnel authority.

And the organization got the Dave Wannstedt error as a result.

Wannstedt quit or was told he'd be fired thus left late in the 2004 season. Nick Saban was hired as coach in January 2005. And he kept Rick Spielman as the general manager.

It was a nightmare for both men.

Spielman left after one season under Saban. It was a mutual parting. (Yeah, right).

Saban hired Randy Mueller as his new GM.

And after one more season Saban left.

And Huizenga kept Mueller and promoted him, giving him final say over personnel. And in return Mueller had to accept the hiring of Cam Cameron. And Cameron was of a coaching stature that he had to accept Mueller.

And the Dolphins went 1-15.

When Bill Parcells was hired he cleaned house. It was painful to Mueller and Cameron, but the Dolphins were going in a new direction and Parcells wanted new people. Hey, you know what, it ultimately didn't work. But I get the approach. I agree with the approach.

When the Parcells-Tony Sparano-Jeff Ireland trio obviously didn't work, I would have expected owner Stephen Ross to start anew.

Of course, he did not.

He kept Ireland and, as a result, multiple high-caliber coaches declined to even consider the Dolphins open coaching job in January 2012. Jon Gruden didn't. Bill Cowher didn't. The Dolphins got to the interview stage with Jeff Fisher but he wanted to bring his own personnel people and Ross wanted to retain Ireland.

So Fisher went to St. Louis.

So Ross had to resort (yes, resort) to interviewing coaches who did not have the prominence, history or cache to be able to pick their own personnel people. So Ross hired Joe Philbin.

And now that things are going poorly (again) the team (again) seems poised to get rid of one part of the leadership that authored the problem but not the other? Is this Groundhog Day?

The Dolphins are not the only team that has had this issue.

Teams such as Green Bay, Chicago, Denver, Kansas City, Cleveland, Carolina and the Jets have made changes to one end of the organization but not the other. You know what? It rarely works.

The Packers hired Ted Thompson and relieved Mike Sherman (yes, that Mike Sherman) of his GM duties. Sherman stayed as coach. A year later, Thompson fired Sherman as coach, completing in two years what should have been done in one.

The Bears hired a new GM last year and he was told to keep Lovie Smith. Then after one season, he fired Smith after a 10-6 season.

The Broncos kept GM Brian Xanders when they hired John Elway and Elway hired John Fox. And then Xanders left (was pushed out of) the organization.

The idea of addressing one part of a failing product but not the other is a setup for drama -- even when it succeeds. The New York Jets last year fired GM Mike Tannenbaum but not coach Rex Ryan. The Carolina Panthers similarly replaced their GM but kept coach Ron Rivera.

You know where Ryan and Rivera found themselves at the start of this season before even one game was played? On the hot seat. Under the microscope. All of the attention was about their impending divorce from GMs that had been forced to keep them.

And, yes, both those coaches have done a fine job and rallied their teams. But that has surprised people because it is the exception rather than the rule. And even recently when Jets GM John Idzik was asked if he was now sold on Ryan, he gave some cryptic answer about everyone being evaluated at the end of the season.

Shotgun weddings don't work, folks.

They are usually followed by unhappy times and drama. They typically end in divorce.

Anyone with any sense of Dolphins history would know this because the team has lived it first-hand. Anyone with any knowledge of the NFL has seen it time and again.

And yet, looking off into the next few weeks, that's the direction the Dolphins seem headed.

Again.

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We wouldn't mind with a highly trustable appointed surrogate for Ross in these times. Still, such person would be under high scrutiny.

I going to run a campaning to for good old boy Csonka too leave the wild life of Alaska for a year or two (we need more little deers, helping the eco system in Miami)so he can deal we the little Richards that are destroying are beloved "Dolphins"....Csonka for new GM and protect the "Dolphins"

Well, you can bring whomever you want, Donnie Brasco, as long as we can trust their honesty and integrity.

oscar ,cut the crap...you loved OUR GARAGE MANAGER FOR YEARS LIKE OUR SHAMEFUL ARMANDO .........


OUR DUMD FANS LED BY DASHI ,THE DONKEY SHOULD STOP THEIR CRAP FROM LOVING WALLACE + OUR GARAGE MANAGER AND ADMIT LOSSING BETTING ON THE WRONG HORSE.

ALoco, who would you prefer to go, Philbin or Ireland? You cut the crap, for time is running short, for all of us. Answer directly now!

"When Bill Parcells was hired he cleaned house. Hey, you know what, it ultimately didn't work. But I get the approach. I agree with the approach.

So, the clean house approach failed also. The fact that you 'get' or 'agree' is immaterial.

FOR SURE ROSS WILL FIRE OUR GARAGE MANAGER .......

AS FOR OUR CORN BEEF HC , I THINK HE WON'T BE FIRED NOW ..........

I CALL ON THE HERALD TO FIRE THE NO 1 FAN FOR OUR GARAGE MANAGER ..

SECOND BAN ALL THE DUMB FANS LIKE DASHI,KRIS AND THE LOVE BOYS WHO SUPPORTED THIS GARAGE GUY WHO HAD HIS OWN AGENDA FOR YEARS.,............

Posted by: fin4life | November 14, 2013 at 07:51 PM

Thanks for the break down on the cba. I have to admit such things aren't really my cup of tea. I would just like to have a dog in the fight in the playoffs for change and make a few trips to Miami without being pissed that my money could have been better spent afterwards.

To your point on the stadium renovation though, It seems like if Ross ever hopes to get that done it narrows the list of GM candidates. You would probably want someone who would almost have an immediate impact on fans who may then possibly have an effect on the legislators.

OSCAR, ISMELL THAT ROSS WILL HIRE MARINO AS A GM .......

THE ONLY GUY WHO WILL BRING SOME THING TO THE TABLE.....

I agree clean house!! I live in NY and they are killing Miami!! This is the time to fix everything .. We have the makings of a good team just need the right people. Look what Andy did in KC..

Aloco thinking about it. Nothing wrong with cleaning house, Ross most of all. You just have to bring in the right People, like we did with Shula.

ALoco, is Marino a mas of integrity? That's we need around here.

OSCAR...IT'S NOT EASY.... REED THE HC WHO HAS A RECORD OF 9-0 THIS YEAR ,OUR DUMB IDIOTS LIKE DASHI SAID ,,,NO TO HIM AS OUR HC BUT THEY LOVED THE CORNED BEEF COACH .....

WE NEED TO FIRE ALL FROM ARMANDO TO THE GARAGE MANAGER TO THE HC TO DUMB STUIBD FANS ............


YOU ALSO OSCAR ,HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS DUMB FANS FOR LOVING THE GARAGE GUY.....

OSCAR,

THERE'S NOT ONE PERSON LIVING IN FL HAS ANY INTEGRITY ........

I RATHER HAVE MARINO .......

WTF....how frikin late can you be with realizing this crap?.....I have been saying this in post for 3 years now.... IRELAND is actually 3 years OVERDO for being fired. Philbin SHOULD HAVE NEVER been hired as the sympathy coach he is (son passing at the time).
But ALAS...ROSS IS THE MAIN ISSUE because he DOESNT GET FOOTBALL BUSINESS....

Do you trust Ross, ALoco, to pick somebody with high integrity to run the Team? C'mon, answer, nobody will know, it won't harm you.

YOU SEE OSCAR,NO ONE LIVING IN FL HAS INTEGRITY .....EVEN VA CLAIMING HE HAS BEEN SAYING WHAT I AM SAYING FOR 3 YEARS ,AND I NEVER SEEN HIS NAME EVER HERE...

OSCAR,
TO PRACTICE THAT JOB AS A GM,YOU GOT TO BE A LIAR ,FIRST ,THEN A CHEATER SECOND ...ALL FOR THE GOOD OF THE TEAM,AND NOT YOUR AGENDA ...........

That's quite a statement on your parr that nobody in FL has any integrity, ALoco. We can see you're upset. Take a stress pill.

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WORK
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To your point on the stadium renovation though, It seems like if Ross ever hopes to get that done it narrows the list of GM candidates. You would probably want someone who would almost have an immediate impact on fans who may then possibly have an effect on the legislators.

Posted by: Dolfan Rick | November 14, 2013 at 08:22 PM

The problem Ross faces is the BAD DEAL the City got into with the Marlins on the Old OB sight. After it's all said and done that Ball Park will be the most expensive every built and on a team the City doesn't really like. So your right he needs a proven winner to come in and get the Stadium perennially sold out. With Post-Season pushes. The fans are there chomping at the bit waiting for a team to follow again.

The other Thursday night the Canes played VT. (and lost) but it was head-to-head with a HEAT game and beat them in a Nielsen rating by 3 points! This is NOT Basketball town but Wade is a Marino like City Icon and LeBron is LeBron! It's a 1st class Org. run by Owner Mickey Arison and team Pres. Par Riley were players will take less to play for them.

Make NO MISTAKE the AAA were they play was built after the Shaq trade with Wade in his Prime bringing a Title home as was the Baseball park on the heels of 2 World Series Titles in 15 Yrs. while the Fins just sink deeper and even then they draw (on TV) 10 times the viewers locally. If they can become relevant again with a strong Front office the fans will come back in droves! We sold out every Yr. Wannstedt was H.C. through Saban! Then comes the State funding ect.....

I say Marino for GM. One thing will be certain: If an under-performer (player, or coach) is on his "team", he will correct himself, or he won't be around long. Look at Elway in Denver. Smart guy who "loves" his team. We can duplicate that, no problem!

I believe Ross' new stadium proposal has ZERO t0 do with the Marlins. He doesn't realize the city council he has to deal with are FORMER fed up Dolphin season ticket holders.

Good for you, ALoco. Go to bed. We look fur everyone's welfare here.

Can you imagine the Martin - Incognito debacle with Marino as GM? I can't. Would have never happened. Wuss-boy would have been shipped before this season started. Total waste as a starting-caliber Left Tackle. Incognito? Would have have been told to tone it down a little, but "Don't worry, we like the attitude you bring to the table." Wish we had a GM on board who loved the team and was a smart guy.

ALoco, is Marino a mas of integrity? That's we need around here.

Posted by: oscar canosa | November 14, 2013 at 08:26 PM

Yes! He is! The fact he had an affair doesn't make him the 1st or last! You really think he can drain 5 Mil. out of his personal holdings without his wife knowing about it? He told her the truth from day-01 and owned up to it. It's why there was NO big public display once it became common knowledge. He gave his mistress 5 Mil. to raise the child and has been present in her life while raising 4 of his own one autistic and 2 adopted! Your always harping on your medical credentials! Well tell me how many people fall into the trap of sex with a Co-Worker? Because I've seen it plenty in my life and don't feel giving into carnal temptation and indictment of your integrity but what you do after and he was a man about it in my book!

Marino GM? Why not Michael Jordan? Marino sucks as a gameday analyst on tv.

I believe Ross' new stadium proposal has ZERO t0 do with the Marlins. He doesn't realize the city council he has to deal with are FORMER fed up Dolphin season ticket holders.

Posted by: Sam I Am | November 14, 2013 at 08:42 PM

LOL! I'd bet there Seminole fans up there though Sam!

I'm going to try to defend Philbin.
There is a fundamental difference in strategy and personnel between Ireland and Philbin. Ireland is from the Parcells school of the run game with big mauling O Line
and Philbin is from the west coast short passing, zone blocking. So fundamentally they don't fit. My thought is that Philbin is working with Sparano/Ireland leftovers John Jerry,Incognito on offense. So if your coaching players that are brought in that don't fit your scheme and the players from the last coach don't fit your scheme, how well are you going to do?
During Sparano's time here, I remember everyone screaming for a passing game. But we got 2 yards and a cloud of infield dirt. Then it was gimmick crap of wildcat.
Still the fans screaming for the passing game.
Finally we have a coach that seems fine to throw every down ala Green Bay.
But fans want him gone..
I know he's quirky and seems to watch the games more than coach during them, but he's a inexperienced head coach.
With a better O Line that fits Philbins scheme this team would be good.
I think 10 wins good. If Tannehill had decent protection, and had time to wait for WR's to get into their routes, it would be a different story. They would score more points, and have the bigger plays down the field. Yes Tannehill makes bad reads and bad (late) throws. But he is literally getting killed with sacks, and still is improving. His numbers don't show it I know, but that kid makes big time throws when he has time, not to mention to keep getting up after getting crushed 5 times a game.
You match Philbin with a GM that can fill out a roster with west coast offense and they could be a competitor.

Everyone watch and remember this prediction: Whether he gets hired, or not, Marino in the Front Office will be discussed at season's end. Ross needs a sell. Marino, with ZERO front office experience, will bring excitement and season ticket buyers in droves! Ross is ultimately a salesman and this brings cash to the table. He can sell the new stadium funding idea because the beloved Marino is involved. Besides, does anyone, ANYONE on this blog think Marino could do worse than Ireland?! LMFAO!!

Posted by: fin4life | November 14, 2013 at 08:39 PM

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Well getting the right GM and or HC is somewhat like the draft in its not a guarantee and somewhat of a crapshoot.

There are several up and comers out there and a couple former GM's. If we do end up in the market for one, we just gotta hope they strike gold.

As much as some folks may not want to here it I do think a GM with a better attitude toward players and fans would be at least a small step in the right direction.

Marino GM? Why not Michael Jordan? Marino sucks as a gameday analyst on tv.

Posted by: Sam I Am | November 14, 2013 at 08:49 PM

He was the Head of Football Ops. for 2 weeks before quitting after a Sr. Bowl were the scouting duties bored him. He could maybe consult on directional matters but not cut out for the job the way Elway has taken to it.

Like Mckinney said this locker room is no different than the Ravens who by the way won a Superbowl Last year, this has been the Most overblown story I have ever seen in the 36yrs I have watched the Dolphins, it has certainly contributed to the sad state of this season, and the media including yourself are fueling the fire, The Miami Dolphins are no different than most teams in the league when it comes to this subject, but they are certainly going to be made an example of! Mike Golic and very few others tell it the way it is, even if they have to tip toe around it as not to lose their jobs, I give them at least some credit for that.

WhoTH is talking about carnal temptation, f4l? I'm talking about the kind of person that cannot be bought , even for 10 million, as his principles are way above that. If you think Marino is that, we'll welcome him here.

We're not looking for a GM that couldn't do any worse than Ireland. Is that your criteria for a GM, he won't do any worse?

Miami Dolphins offensive guard Richie Incognito has filed a grievance against the Dolphins, challenging his "indefinite suspension."

The legal maneuver, which was first reported by ESPN, isn't surprising considering Incognito hopes to return to the team before the season concludes.

The Dolphins, in a statement, said, “Our organizational policy is not to comment on grievance matters.”

Has Howie Long ever been considered or shown an interest in getting into coaching or a front office?

fin4life........

OUR DUMB FANS WHO LOVED THE GARAGE GUY AS A GM DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE NAME OF MARINO IN THE ANY DOLPHIN'S FAN'S HEART ............


ARMANDO HAS HELPED TO BRING OUR FANS TO A STATE OF TOTAL IGNORANCE .........

See, f4l, we are looking for a good, above bribery, good men here.

Sam I Am: I read your posts and like most of them. You are insightful, have good football knowledge and usually don't give in to emotion on the bloggers here who play the crowd. BUT, I watch Marino on the pre-game show and "C'mon man!" He knows the game! Cite me an exact instance where he failed to recognize a game situation, or a player's tendencies, etc....seriously, he ran the fu.king offense just like Peyton does now!. He really never needed a coordinator. Only JJ hand-cuffed him and I bet even JJ realizes now that was an arrogant mistake on his part. Maybe you just never liked him as a player, or the fact he didn't win a Super Bowl for us, but know his name is going to be in the mix at the end of the season. If the Dolphins hire him as CEO, or GM and he fails, I will feel a helluva' lot better about it than with fu.king waste-case Ireland! I know Marino loves the team and is a smart football guy. Cannot say the same for Ireland (on either count)!

Still waiting to hear what Jake Long has to say about this situation, why doesn't the media ever mention him? he was on the team while most of this took place, isn't he a respected veteran player? a leader in the locker room that hazed Martin?

Marino is a choker, cheater, and quitter. He's also flunked his wonderlic test, he isnt the sharpest tool in the shed. And inexperience at GM or HC is absurd at this point.

The problem with mike Wallace is not Ryan Tannehill. In and of itself it seems like they are not on the same page. They need more offseason throwing practice like Peyton manning did with Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne all those years. But it all comes back to the offensive line. You got to give the the QB time to throw the ball. The OL has been the problem with the dolphins for a LONG time. Actually, I don't blame them for not resigning jake long at his ridiculous asking price. We have a pro bowl center. The rest of the line needs to be upgraded. Plain and simple. I was against giving up too many picks for Brandon Albert and he is injury prone just like jake long. I think we should have traded for Eugene Monroe before Balt did. You know that lane Johnson, the guy many pundits thought we were picking at number 3- has not graded out well for Philly to this point. It is time to play Dallas Thomas at guard too. John Jerry I swear, did not block that TB guy on the final drive during those two sacks in a row. It was pathetic...

I'm probably one of the biggest Marino fans out there but somehow he just doesn't strike me as GM material.

Me4n of integrity to run afootball team, are you kidding?

I'll take a man of GREAT shrewedness and cunning over integrity any day.

I would take a man of great integrity to rule my Boy Scouts of America troops however.

I don't see Marino being interested in being a GM. He's got a cushy job flying to NYC for the weekend where he talks about football. He's not about to step into the place where his legacy is larger than life, and risk that so he can study the backup LG on some small school etc etc. I worked on a TV shoot at his house and talked to him for a while between set ups about football and kids. Marino is a nice guy, but doesn't strike me as a workaholic obsessive GM type.

Posted by: stillhardcoredolphinsfan | November 14, 2013 at 08:59 PM

I hate that Marino always allows everyone to overtake him. He gives in like a wuss to these guys. He also allows them to trash the Dolphins without ever offering a defense.

See, the time is getting shorter and shorter. Everybody has found out that Philbin is a yes Man of Ireland and Ross in a short year and a half. Think about it.

Eddie4fins,

Trust me, the 1,000 reporters out there looking for a crumb, or the next big scoop on this story have tried to get at Long. He's obviously not commenting. While on that line, why not a Luck interview? We Dolphins' fans are not re-inventing the wheel here. What we do know is every current Dolphins' player loves Cogs. Not hearing much love for pus.y Martin. What a surprise!

Perfect, so hopefully Ross fires both Ireland and horse face Philbean and every other coach/coordinator. Start new all over again! Please!!!

Going from Big Ben to TanneBust is a shock to Mike Wallace. He played with better QB's in college.

I'm sure that Joe Philbin, Mike Sherman and Kevin Coyle are all good people. I just don't see them as being excellent coaches. Dion Jordan doesn't play enough and the other draftees don't play at all. Mike Wallace doesn't get the ball enough and Tannehill has ONE game in 24 starts where he's thrown for more than 2 TDs (the Buffalo game, a 23-21 loss). The play calling on both sides leaves much to be desired and this team could just as easily be 8-1 since they've blown 2nd half leads to Buffalo, New England and Tampa. They were tied in the 4th quarter with Baltimore when Sturgis missed a FG that would have given them the lead. Then again, one could also argue that Miami is lucky they aren't 1-8 since the only game they've won by more than four points was week one against the Browns. And they've gone over 24 points just once all year and that was the game where Sims caught a TD in the final minute. You have to score points to win games and this staff is too conservative. Nick Foles drafted the same year as Tannehill has three games where's thrown 3 or more TDs this year and just 12 starts as a pro. Do I think Foles is that much better than Tannehill? No. Do I think the Eagles (among other teams) have more aggressive coaches? Absolutely.

MARINO WILL NOT BE THE GM ,HE WILL BE THE HEAD AT THE CLUB ...........

We want Ross gone, also.

The Dolphins locker room has changed dramatically since the blowup. So, McKinnie doesnt know what it was like before he got here.

Posted by: Sam I Am | November 14, 2013 at 09:05 PM

Sam,

I have not noticed that so much. I do remember him (Marino) going off on Boomer over a comment Boomer made about Marino's Super Bowl wins, or appearances. That was funny! Marino was fired up because you know he probably doesn't think Boomer could carry his jockstrap. There was also an instance where I think Brett Favre had just broke one of marino's passing records and he lost it. Haha! He was definitely bummed and I think forgot he was on national TV. Having said all of this, I would be willing to concede giving him another try at a position of importance. hell, even if it was as an advisor on hiring a new regime. We trusted fat-ass Parcells "take the money and run", why wouldn't we give a chance to a guy who would really have the Dolphins' best interests in mind? I will say it again, Marino's name will be mentioned more often towards the end of yet another dismal, uninspiring season.

Yes, Ross is the biggest problem. I think he's unconcious.

Ok so back to the drawing board.
You know this team has gone this way 5 times in the last 12 years. Fire this guy, fire that guy. I think it is time we stick it out or a couple of more years. some o these guys need sensitivity training. We could replace the OC and the DC. To me that is it.

Posted by: mike d | November 14, 2013 at 08:50 PM

Good post. The observation you made is spot on. Here's the problem: A "good" coaching staff will adjust their schemes on the fly to fit their personnel. Shula was a master at it. John Fox did a damn good job of it with Tebow as QB and winning a 1st rd. playoff game against the Steelers. My point is this coaching staff SUCKS at adjustments, whether at half-time, or coming off a bye, or adjusting to any fu.king thing! I was all in on Philbin's hiring. Had a "wait and see" attitude with Ireland. Well, as a businessman myself, keeping Ireland was a mistake by Ross. I would have probably made the same one, o shame on me. I can tell you this, though: If I owned the Dolphins, I can clearly see this GM has made too many bad choices. This is his coaching staff, they failed to adjust. Can them! Start over. I hate the re-build, yet again, but I want to get back to respectability and these corn-dudes will not get us there, EVER!


Do I think the Eagles (among other teams) have more aggressive coaches? Absolutely.

Posted by: J. Fireland #GMinHiding | November 14, 2013 at 09:09 PM

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Great point on your last line there especially. It seems like we are always playing it safe with our last couple of coaches.

Why not roll the dice a little. Where's the flea flicker or a halfback pass? Why not go for it on 4th and 2 at the 40 occasionally.

At the end the day it doesn't matter anyway. We lose. At least you feel like you put it all out there.

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