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Tannehill changing how he attacks deep throws

Some things are so obvious even the secretive men inside Stalag Dolphin have to admit to them. And the difficulty the entire NFL has witnessed Ryan Tannehill have throwing the deep ball since he joined the Miami Dolphins is one of those things.

Last year we saw Tannehill miss a wide open Brian Hartline a handful of times when the receiver was open deep behind defenders. This year, Tannehill is armed with dynamic deep threat receiver Mike Wallace. But 10 games into the season, Wallace's deepest catch went for 49 yards.

And fans have seen Tannehill miss Wallace, open behind the secondary, on at least five ocassions -- either by underthrowing the football and forcing Wallace to fight for it against defensive backs, or underthrowing it and having a sure touchdown result in a mid-range completion, or throwing out of bounds, or just missing short altogether.

“The one the other day, let’s talk about the one the other day, that’s the most recent," coach Joe Philbin said Wednesday. "The guy is open, you have to get the ball to the receiver. You have to put a little more air under it so he doesn’t slow down and the DB doesn’t have a chance to break up the pass.  It’s not that complicated, throwing the ball down the field.

"It does take the right timing, the receiver has to leave enough space, especially when you’re throwing the ball outside the numbers which we had on that particular play. You have to make that throw, [Tannehill] knows that, I know that, everybody who was at the game knows that. Those are the facts, we have to keep working at it and I’m confident we will start making more of those."

Confident or not, Philbin was concerned enough about the issue to talk to Tannehill about it this week. It's become more than just a rare happenstance now. It's an issue -- one that Tannehill got advise on how to solve.

"We talked to coach Philbin yesterday and that’s one of the things he told me," Tannehill said. "Just go out there and let it rip. When a guy gets that open, sometimes you kind of tense up and you don’t want to overthrow him so you end up underthrowing him. I just have to go out there and let it rip and not overplay it."

I asked Tannehill if he's likely to take Philbin's advice and attack the situation differently this week.

"Yes, I think so," Tannehill said. "We had a couple other shots in the game where he got behind guys and one time I got flushed out got bumped and flushed out and I had to throw it to (Rishard) Matthews over the middle and another time I got sacked on it. We had a couple more opportunities where he got open, just wasn’t able to get him the ball.  You’ve got to hit the ones that are there, if you only get one shot a game to get him the ball I have to just throw it out there and let him run underneath it.

"That’s what he’s here to do.  He’s got the legs to run underneath it and it’s on me to just throw it out there and let him get it.” 

Here's the thing: Tannehill is a young quarterback and he's still learning the job. But I get the feeling he's trying to be too fine and too perfect for his own good. He needs to trust his instincts more. He needs to use his many gifts -- one of which is the ability to throw the football a long way.

He's been aiming the ball. He needs to simply pass it.

"Yes, I think I just get conservative," Tannehill admitted. "You see a guy, like I said with so much space and separation between him and the defender, he had five yards or something on the guy.  You see that space and you're thinking just get him the ball. Instead of, just throw it out there, play football and let it rip."

This can go one of two directions now.

Tannehill, reined in for too long, can feel free and start playing rather than thinking. And we'll start to see his deep completion percentage improve.

Or.

Tannehill, despite given the freedom to rip it, simply hasn't the touch or deep ball accuracy that must be inate to a quarterback to be the launching point for a deep passing game.

There is some reason for hope here. Last year Tannehill completed zero percent of his attempts of 41 yards or more. He was 0 for 3. This year he has completed 16.7 percent of his 6 throws of 41 yards or more. That still isn't good enough, but it suggests some improvement.

The question is can Tannehill make a much more significant improvement.

You have to consider that Wallace averaged eight touchdowns per season and 17.5 yards per reception his four seasons in Pittsburgh. In Miami he's basically been turned into a possession receiver who has one touchdown and is averaging 12.1 yard per catch.

But in Pittsburgh, Wallace played with a quarterback in Ben Roethlisberger who completed at least 33.3 percent of his passes on throws of 41 yards or more the past three years and in 2009 completed a whopping 46.2 percent of such passes.

Big Ben can wing it.

Can Tannehill match those numbers? Impossible to tell.

But he needs to bring his numbers up soon. Otherwise, what everyone sees as an issue that needs work could soon be viewed as a fatal flaw in Tannehill's game.

 

  

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Tannehill leads the league in 3 n outs for the 2nd straight year.

This blog can become the epitome of ignorance and foolishness. DO SOMEFUKKING RESEARCH BEFORE YOU SPEAK. IGNORAMUS INC AROUND HERE....

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | November 21, 2013 at 09:18 AM

Somebody should also tell Marco that even the great Peyotn manning turned the ball over 47 times in his first two nfl seasons - wonder where he ranked in tds to turnover ratio during that time?

Oh dear, oh dear,

As I said you used Manning as an example of early TD turnover failure similar to Thill and it turns out to be +12.

Yet you start swearing at people not to make outlands statements without the facts.

Maybe take a little of your own advice from time to time my friend.

YOU CAN'T TURN A WIDE RECEIVER INTO A QB!!!!

THIS IS WHY HE CAN'T MAKE THROWS CONSISTENTLY and WHEN NEEDED!!!

this is also why....it's PAST TIME FOR IRELAND and his LACKIES (personnel choices - philbin, Sherman, tannehill, incognito....etc) TO GO!

Why have you not mentioned that Tanne has a hurt throwing shoulder, Mando?

I give Tanne credit for never mentioning it. Kid is tough.

Mark in Toronto loved Chad Henne for 4 years also.....just so you know.

Canadiens need to learn football before they spew nonsense. Or just stick to hockey and ice fishin.

Too small sample size. 16% lol. The dude who pointed out the following is correct:

While Tanne has missed a couple, Wallace has also dropped at least 3 bombs in his hands and there have been two PI penalties where it appears Tanne DID throw it where it needed to be that would have been completed bombs.

Thill has a poorer turnover to TD ratio over his first two years as a starter than...

Henne at -9
Ponder -4
Weedon -10
Beck -9

After two years will these go on to similar careers to Manning, Brees and so on.

Indeed their turnover ratio is better than Thill. This gives them a pass ?

"Every issue Tannehill has this season is a product of the coaching of the offense he plays under IMO."

This. What *coaching* efforts have been made re: deep ball?

The Sherman-Tannehill combination has been trouble.

Tanne throws so many under 10 yard passes, it must be a little tough to get him to let it rip. If he can do that though, this will open up the entire field. Hopefully he can get it done

Ireland under a 2 hour grilling by Harvard trained attorney Ted Wells.

Bad shoulder ???

All QB's will play will pain during the season.

It was +5 , not +12. And where do you that would've ranked him? Anymore than average???

If you include his rush stats, which I always do, peyton in his first two years had 52 passing tds, 2 rush tds (54 total). 43 INTS, and 9 fumbles (52 INts). That makes for a +2 ratio. And this is from the best ever. And historically speaking by looking at the top 10 qbs in the league, this +2 ratio is very storng compared to theirs.

Now it's all about context. if the best we've seen was only +2, then the top end of your range shoudl eb around there.

Now if Tannehill wasn't producing passing yardage, wasn't scoring tds, and wasn't producing in the red zone then I would be inclined to give up on him like you have... but fact is he isn't.

Now I've said my piece. So please direct yourself and all your alter egos somewhere else.

Folks, whine away. We are going to the playoffs. All of you would have been happy with that preseason. Does it matter how we get there?

Some of you, like dusty, would rather quit and tank the season for draft picks. Ask Jax how well that is working out.

Winners play to win. Winning is tough enough that you have to keep doing it to keep believing in yourself. Losing only enforces a loser mentality.

Nobody knows. Who Miami's QB Coach is.

I get why fans want Thill to be good enough, I really do.

What I'll never get is them clutching at straws comparing them to Manning, Marino and Brees in order to state they are going to be as good.

Thats not how it works guys. Watch the games, look at the player play, then decide.

Thill Forward Fast !!!

TannePuke is a horrible excuse for a pro QB. He cant ever carry a team. All he does is dink and dunk, fumble, and take sacks. And make everyone around him worse.

Thats the overall diff of Manning to Thill over their respective first two years as starter.

Thill sits at -7. Manning sat at +5 = +12 difference. Surely they do make sense now no ?

Love is blind they say Ha Ha.

And regarding Tannehill's turnovers, the large # is the fumbles. The INTs to TD ratio is actually decent.

if you get an o line that can actually pass protect, his fumbles would get in line. Why do I think this? he fumbles 19.5% of the time he gets sacked. The league average is around 22%. So as you can tell he doesn't have a fumbling problem, he has an o line problem.

Marco, it is so obvious to anyone with a 3rd grade education that you don't believe 10% of what you spout. You bait people into debates for no other reason than to pass the time, entertain yourself, and watch who you believe are silly fools respond to you.

Carolina brought in Mike Shula in 2011 as QB Coach expressly to work on Cam Newton. Now Cam has the League on fire and Mike is the OC. Us???

Marco, it is so obvious to anyone with a 3rd grade education that you don't believe 10% of what you spout. You bait people into debates for no other reason than to pass the time, entertain yourself, and watch who you believe are silly fools respond to you.

Posted by: Obvio | November 21, 2013 at 10:52 AM

The same people that loved HennePuke love TannePuke HILARIOUS!!

Marco, it is so obvious to anyone with a 3rd grade education that you don't believe 10% of what you spout. You bait people into debates for no other reason than to pass the time, entertain yourself, and watch who you believe are silly fools respond to you.

Posted by: Obvio | November 21, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Posted by: I've been thinking the same exact thing! | November 21, 2013 at 10:54 AM

oscar, what about the grilling that marco is givin' the stupid homers on here?
.
lol

I think we can all agree Tanne is not a top QB right now.
But I think we can also all agree that the potential is there?
And we can all agree that there is a possibility he will never be a top QB?
His progress has been retarded by a terrible OL and some poor play calling.
There is hope for him, I have not given up on him yet.

With rush TD's Manning at +10 in turnover to TD ratio over his first two years in the NFL.

Thill at -4 with the same stat.

Difference of +14 in favour of Manning.

No I won't go away big boy in Canada, I know you wish I would, but you are doing the same as Philbin and Sherman selling this BS effort as great work.

TannePuke is a horrible excuse for a pro QB. He cant ever carry a team. All he does is dink and dunk, fumble, and take sacks. And make everyone around him worse.

Posted by: CadillacDeVille | November 21, 2013 at 10:51 AM


Ditto

Watch the games, look at the player play, then decide.

Thill Forward Fast !!!

Posted by: Marco | November 21, 2013 at 10:49 AM


Yes. Here in San Diego we did this with Brees. After 2 seasons the entire town was saying bust, throw the bum out, no more upside.

I believe it friends.

Go hide and celebrate Thill then. Philbin, Sherman and Coyle and friends togther worship mediocre play and coaching my friends.

You can't face reality of Thill and his turnover problems can you. Answer for them please, put my arguements down with facts not blind insults.

At least Mark, goes into his stats book and fights his points as best he can.

Ok he is rude at times but that happens when one starts to lose the arguement.

Again marco, the math is right here for you ...

If you include his rush stats, which I always do, peyton in his first two years had 52 passing tds, 2 rush tds (54 total). 43 INTS, and 9 fumbles (52 INts). That makes for a +2 ratio

Try removing your shoes next time to count.

Brees is one of the few exceptions.

What about the other players mentioned above.

Should all QB's get three years no matter how they play ?

But i know you're not that smart, so I should slow it down for you...

AND a 1, and a 2...

the best part about cadillacs posts are the fact that hes never actually watched a fins game

Toronto, don't let Marco make a fool of you. He comes here out of boredom to incite responses. Nothing more. Let's all chip in and buy him a GI Joe doll.

I'd give Tanny a try at WR before I totally give up on him.

Mark in T,
"The INTs to TD ratio is actually decent."
I disagree. You want at least 2 times the TD vs. the Ints. Tanne isn't close to that. His TD/Int ratio isn't up to par.
Again, Tanne is not there yet. But he has not fumbled in a while and that is a good sign. He played little QB in college so will likely take longer to develope than other QBs.

Mark in T,
"The INTs to TD ratio is actually decent."
I disagree. You want at least 2 times the TD vs. the Ints. Tanne isn't close to that. His TD/Int ratio isn't up to par.

Posted by: MassDolphan | November 21, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Further proof canadiens are football clueless.

Has there been any in-depth articles on Dion Jordan and his role on the team. I remember the talk about him after the draft that he is a "Sack machine", the next Jevon Kearse. What happened? He seems to be so under-utilized and I really want to understand why???

I brought it up when they signed Wallace that Tannehill under throws the deep ball and if he was under throwing Hartline how was he going to start hitting a faster Wallace in stride?

Jeff Fireland #GMinHiding doesn't think about these things. That's the Dolphins fatal flaw.

There are certain quarterbacks who can throw the long ball, and most can't. Manning, Luck, Big Ben, these guys could throw that pass from Day One. They may have had other problems as rookies, like interceptions, or misreading the defense, but they could connect with a wide-open receiver streaking down the sideline.. sadly, tannehill seemingly cannot. and he cannot generate much offense. even in most of the games we've won, such as last week's victory over the chargers, our offense has few yards than our vanquished opponent. I don't care about, other than it's telling about our offense. it's weak, and tannehill seems to be the weak link. Even John Gruden mentioned during our MNF disaster how often we go 3 and out. I wish Philbin would bench Tannehill, at least for a game. and see what Matt Moore can do.

Haha, nice try he lost only 4 of those fumbles in two years mate. Thill has actually fumbled 17 times and lost 9 in 210 fewer pass attempts and rushes combined, thats awful compared to Manning friend.

Try again.

Manning 54 TD's passing/rushing TO's 47 ok +7

Thill has 29 TD's combined and 33 TO's ok -4

Thats a difference of +11.

A turnover is when you lose the ball and the other team get possession. Clear ???

When you draft a player with the #8 overall pick in the first round, there is an expectation that comes with the tag that would not be there if the selection had been later. Sure there is a risk that he might not be available if you wait. To take any player that is going to be labeled "a project" by most of the credible people within the game at that point in the draft is quite a gamble. And this organizations last decade or so with gambles has been very unsuccessful.

You still believe in Thill ?

No more time to waste on you for a while, there are other areas to discuss Thill fans.

Big Ben Rothlisberger to Miami next year! He wants to be traded. Let Crapenhill learn behind him!

this article/issue ties in to what I've been saying here, and concerned about, for awhile--THIS and most of Tannehill's issues relate to confidence, no way around it--"being too conservative, too fine, overthinking", are just more acceptable ways to avoid saying "I'm not confident enough in my judgement, my ability....not confident enough to handle the criticism that will come if I overthrow him"--I've said many times that I dont like his lack of fire, his seemingly "too nice" tempermant, his seeming acceptance of losing/mistakes.....just trots off the field, whild Brady berates ANYONE within 10 yards of him, including the refs, and continues to do so on the sidelines--does Big Ben look like he lacks confidence when he's out there zinging it around, all over the place, throwing for 800 yards and literally pulling his team to victory, on his back...or did he in past years, when he was throwing a bunch of TDs to Wallace?-he just lets it rip, condident

confidence/leadership/edge/fire are lacking, right now, in TH....thats a big concern, and hopefully something he can build looking ahead--but if not.....

To All Thill critics,

Be aware there are Thill Fans who will fight to the death for there boy regardless of fact.

Henne and Beck had the same hardcore following.

Mark in T, love is surely blind my Canadian Amigo.

Oh Canada land of the.......... ?

Tannehill has a pretty low delivery for a guy his size. They were supposed to work on that in the off season. Now they need to work on his deep throws too. A big project.


Has there been any in-depth articles on Dion Jordan and his role on the team. I remember the talk about him after the draft that he is a "Sack machine", the next Jevon Kearse. What happened? He seems to be so under-utilized and I really want to understand why???


Posted by: Mike | November 21, 2013 at 11:18 AM

Its pretty clear. Another Irescum bust.

I can't get off the Thill subject.

You all state he is so raw and needs time.

He has had 5 years in this offense ???

Lets waste 4 years with T-Fumble like we did with Chad Henne. LOL

Benz....

I kind of see it he same way....

Sorry folks Thill has had 6 years of this offense and he still doesn't get it ?

So next year at 7 maybe he can work it out ?

Marco, you're wrong there. I've been on this blog since '07, and Beck SURE didn't have any kind of "following." Most people could see he was a bumbling idiot, most were glad to see him (and everyone else from that crap team) gone. And Henne had (and still has) his supporters, but they are a tiny minority compared to the rest of us who see him as completely inept to be a franchise QB. So you're using hyperbole to describe the "hardcore" following for Beck/Henne, and at the very least you are exaggerating how many are really in the "hardcore" camp for those guys.

As far as Tannehill, I think people aren't willing to dump a 2nd year QB (who's shown promise).

I posted last week that only 7 teams in the NFL have QB's who started longer than 5 years for the same team.

The other 25 teams have QB's with less than 3 years on the roster.

IMO, Tannehill is on the clock at the halfway point in his rookie contract.

3 and out has a new term in the NFL...that's how long QB's get to prove themselves. If Tannehill's production, or lack thereof continues at this pace, he is destined to be a 3 and out QB in Miami.

Why did this turn into a Tannehill bashing session all of a sudden? Even if you don't think hes the answer at least wait until the end of the season. He's going to be the QB for at least the next six games.

He actually had a pretty decent game against San Diego. I'm not counting the woulda shoulda coulda pick six he did NOT throw either. Using that logic this team should be 7-3.

DC promise ?

Please explain for me there.

Wallace hates Tannehill like Marshall hated Henne lol

The Panthers corners aren't anything special at all. Wallace, Hartline, and Matthews all probably need to have good games Sunday.

MassD, agreed that the TD:INT is not where it needs to be yet, but it's not horrible. I never said that Tannehill is all the way there yet. I said that as is, he's a middle of the road NFL Qb. To the point where it would be very difficult to replace him adequately through the draft or free agency and actually have an improvement in 2014. I still think he's our best bet for success in 2013 and 2014. I mean Peyton manning's don't hit free agency every year. And the ebst Qb available last year was Alex Smith. Yes he doesn't make mistakes but he doesn't provide enough offense either so I don't know what good he does you long term unless you have a defense that will lead the league in takeaways. the other was Caron Palmer who Tannehill is better than also. I wanted to see improvement from him this year and we have. I want to see further improvement next year. This is speaking objectively.

Subjectively I believe he would be a much more efficient qb if we even had aanaverage o line and passing game... but that is merely conjecture at this point.

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