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Tannehill changing how he attacks deep throws

Some things are so obvious even the secretive men inside Stalag Dolphin have to admit to them. And the difficulty the entire NFL has witnessed Ryan Tannehill have throwing the deep ball since he joined the Miami Dolphins is one of those things.

Last year we saw Tannehill miss a wide open Brian Hartline a handful of times when the receiver was open deep behind defenders. This year, Tannehill is armed with dynamic deep threat receiver Mike Wallace. But 10 games into the season, Wallace's deepest catch went for 49 yards.

And fans have seen Tannehill miss Wallace, open behind the secondary, on at least five ocassions -- either by underthrowing the football and forcing Wallace to fight for it against defensive backs, or underthrowing it and having a sure touchdown result in a mid-range completion, or throwing out of bounds, or just missing short altogether.

“The one the other day, let’s talk about the one the other day, that’s the most recent," coach Joe Philbin said Wednesday. "The guy is open, you have to get the ball to the receiver. You have to put a little more air under it so he doesn’t slow down and the DB doesn’t have a chance to break up the pass.  It’s not that complicated, throwing the ball down the field.

"It does take the right timing, the receiver has to leave enough space, especially when you’re throwing the ball outside the numbers which we had on that particular play. You have to make that throw, [Tannehill] knows that, I know that, everybody who was at the game knows that. Those are the facts, we have to keep working at it and I’m confident we will start making more of those."

Confident or not, Philbin was concerned enough about the issue to talk to Tannehill about it this week. It's become more than just a rare happenstance now. It's an issue -- one that Tannehill got advise on how to solve.

"We talked to coach Philbin yesterday and that’s one of the things he told me," Tannehill said. "Just go out there and let it rip. When a guy gets that open, sometimes you kind of tense up and you don’t want to overthrow him so you end up underthrowing him. I just have to go out there and let it rip and not overplay it."

I asked Tannehill if he's likely to take Philbin's advice and attack the situation differently this week.

"Yes, I think so," Tannehill said. "We had a couple other shots in the game where he got behind guys and one time I got flushed out got bumped and flushed out and I had to throw it to (Rishard) Matthews over the middle and another time I got sacked on it. We had a couple more opportunities where he got open, just wasn’t able to get him the ball.  You’ve got to hit the ones that are there, if you only get one shot a game to get him the ball I have to just throw it out there and let him run underneath it.

"That’s what he’s here to do.  He’s got the legs to run underneath it and it’s on me to just throw it out there and let him get it.” 

Here's the thing: Tannehill is a young quarterback and he's still learning the job. But I get the feeling he's trying to be too fine and too perfect for his own good. He needs to trust his instincts more. He needs to use his many gifts -- one of which is the ability to throw the football a long way.

He's been aiming the ball. He needs to simply pass it.

"Yes, I think I just get conservative," Tannehill admitted. "You see a guy, like I said with so much space and separation between him and the defender, he had five yards or something on the guy.  You see that space and you're thinking just get him the ball. Instead of, just throw it out there, play football and let it rip."

This can go one of two directions now.

Tannehill, reined in for too long, can feel free and start playing rather than thinking. And we'll start to see his deep completion percentage improve.

Or.

Tannehill, despite given the freedom to rip it, simply hasn't the touch or deep ball accuracy that must be inate to a quarterback to be the launching point for a deep passing game.

There is some reason for hope here. Last year Tannehill completed zero percent of his attempts of 41 yards or more. He was 0 for 3. This year he has completed 16.7 percent of his 6 throws of 41 yards or more. That still isn't good enough, but it suggests some improvement.

The question is can Tannehill make a much more significant improvement.

You have to consider that Wallace averaged eight touchdowns per season and 17.5 yards per reception his four seasons in Pittsburgh. In Miami he's basically been turned into a possession receiver who has one touchdown and is averaging 12.1 yard per catch.

But in Pittsburgh, Wallace played with a quarterback in Ben Roethlisberger who completed at least 33.3 percent of his passes on throws of 41 yards or more the past three years and in 2009 completed a whopping 46.2 percent of such passes.

Big Ben can wing it.

Can Tannehill match those numbers? Impossible to tell.

But he needs to bring his numbers up soon. Otherwise, what everyone sees as an issue that needs work could soon be viewed as a fatal flaw in Tannehill's game.

 

  

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And I consider a fumble a fumble in all my analysis. if he puts the ball on the carpet and gets bailed out by a teammate, I give him no credit for that....

DC,

I see a hot and cold QB, with almost zero pocket awareness, leadership skills, ball control, clock management, decision making and balls.

He makes the odd play here and there on short to intermediate throws, but as his stats and play to the naked eye clearly scream, so far he is not the guy for the future of this club against the contenders in this league.

Now he may develop into a guy who wins us Superbowls, thats a possiblilty. The chances of Thill doing that after what I've seen are almost nil.

I'd love to be proved wrong by him week after week, if I saw a change I'd clearly conceed that I was wrong.

Trade a 5th Rd pick for S.Hill.

T-Hill will be fine.

Kris....just not sure if those traits can really "develop" all that much, vs inherent--and we all know its mostly the latter--but I do think those issues can be worked on, and the situation improved....but its a matter of how much, how long it takes, will it be enough, and finding the right coaches/mentor to do that-not easy....I love the kids talent, can see the potential, but we know that most of the time it comes from the neck up, for QBs--ultimately, not sure how competitive he is, which ties in to all of this--I'm hoping I'm reading him wrong....

Improvement from Thill ?

His turnover ratio is up 40% on last year alone and the offense is ranked next to last in the league.

With a better WR corp Thill has only improve a couple of points in his rating. His running attack has also regressed and he is walking into more sacks than ever.

Last year I actually thought he played ok for a rookie. This year Sherman boasted he would be the most improved in the NFL. Whata joke.

Sherman and Philbin have this team as the next to last offense in the league. Time to start again with a new HC and OC. If Thill is here he has to has a back-up that can push him or take over and improve this team offensively.

Some don't know or remember what a QB looks like even if they watch him for 60 minutes every sunday. The previous 17 QBs since Marino have scared Dolphins fans for life.

We have forgotten what a QB looks like.

I'm wondering if w could get a 4th rder for Tanny.

Dashi,

Thill will be fine ??? On what evidence please ?

More blind hope instead of what is happening in games to the Miami Dolphins.

Philbin will be fine, Sherman will be fine... We are next to LAST in the NFL on offense and you sit st home happy with this Mediocre BS we are presented almost every week ???

Thankfully we have the Heat to celebrate win, this regime has tanked out.

Good Post. Armando.

Real good post.

Dashi, no school today?

Wow, Pouncey and Patterson out again.

Patterson is gone next year I pray. Can we keep Pouncey if we get a new GM ? Do we want to ? He hasn't played well all year.

Marco,

I sense we might agree on a lot of positions on the team, but that QB isn't one of them.

With that said, Ryan Tannehill will be fine.

He still has the potential to be a Great QB that can lead the Dolphins places.

With that said, Ryan Tannehill will be fine.

He still has the potential to be a Great QB that can lead the Dolphins places.

Posted by: Dashi | November 21, 2013 at 12:05 PM

You said Henne would be our franchise QB too. haha

Dashi,

Dolphin Offense next to last in the NFL, who is to blame for this state of affairs. Discuss.

Get the popcorn out and have a lil butter on the side for the Dashi Show. Mark T, Maple sauce on yours.

Nah, my friend.

School is in Session, Now.

The Teacher has clocked In, B'tch!!

also, to see quite a few clowns here compare TH to Beck or Henne, etc, is laughable....there is no comparison.....TH is much more athletic and has a higher/better skill set, by far--doesnt mean he'll be a great QB, but that has no tie in to Beck or Henne--ask this question.....how many teams would trade for TH at this point, and give up a fairly high pick (several teams or more, in my opinion)--now, how many teams wanted to trade ANYTHING for Beck or Henne?--we call that...the end of the conversation.

It's the QB MORONS.

lol

Where's the progress? Right here...

YPG increase by 54%

TDs per game increase by 71%

I'm in the camp of giving TH more time, more patience.....BUT, I would draft a QB fairly high this year, 2nd or 3rd round....a legitimate QB prospect, not a 6th or 7th rd 3rd stringer (no "ultimate exception" Brady comments please)

Dashing Dashi,

What tools please ? I really need help from you here because I can't see them when Im at the games or when I watch the TV.

How do I get on your planet ? I want to support my QB regardless of his play but Im having trouble with it to be honest. Maybe I expect too much from him ? I should lower my standards, like when I go to McD for my breakfast.

Tannehill is ranked 29th QB just like last year.

I have read your Diatribe on Tannehill.

And you have yet to explain The Art of Throwing Mechanics for Dashi.

Or at least how do they differ.

What was it?

Front Foot
Back Foot
Hip
Shoulders
Elbow
Wrist

Something like that right.

There is less than 6 Differences. Between the Way Tannehill throws the Football and the Way Dan Marino Throws the Football, Now or Then.

And by Throws, Dashi means Throwing Motion. Not throwing the Football in game. Nobody threw the Football like Dan Marino.

Dan Marino created the Modern Day Passing Game.

Marco.....yes, you should lower your standards/expectations......like that or not, I dont know.....but you and most others would be wise to lower them, regarding TH and in general--not saying to go to the OTHER extreme (as most people do), and say we should be happy if he's below average....but he's 10 games into season 2, shown plenty of good things and some not so good.....lower your expectations.....to planet reality.

Tannehill's value has steadily sunk over his 1st year and a half in the NFL. I fear he'll be as worthless as Henne was after year 3.

Marco.....ie. there is a middle ground, and you have to give him a reasonable amount of time to get there--thats why I say that drafting another QB this year would be wise, from the Fins standpoint, but lets see if TH can push toward a top 12-15 QB rating next year or not.....hopefully with a better OLine, running game, etc....lower your expectations, have a contingency plan (draft a QB), and let it play out.

you're wrong Monte, but thats ok--Henne never had much value, went late in Rd 2 for a reason (behind a bunch of other QBs)--a bad choice/miscalculation by Parcells, and Henne had some moments but he was never very good....TH has a skill set and athleticism that is tangible, would be valuable...."how valuable", who knows, but you cant tell me that numerous teams wouldnt trade a late 1st or 2nd rd pick for him--they would.

What the heck did you guys expect from Tannehill? You know Ireland cant draft QB's.

Dashi @ 11:59....

I see it the other way around...I think that that the QB postion has evolved...and many of you (Mark and yourself specifically) are stuck in the past in how you define success in TODAYs passing league....

It is EASIER than ever to play QB/WR...heck...offens in general....

QBs are blowing up with 400 yard games...4,000 yards is the new 3,000....5,000 in becoming th new 4,000....Marino's records falling even further into obsurity for new fans...much like a DAN FOUTS might be for my generation....

This is why I expect ,ore from Tanne...NOT less....EVERY OPNE is doing more....Nick Foles is doing MORE....and I am not nick FOLES fan....and don't give me the "eagles have more to work with" argument...they were picked to br in the toilet this year...

ut the light has home om for Foles...and he has taken the job from incumbent...and former NFL STAR Vick....

Ex=ven had a 7 TD performance....that is what you call a FLASH...and as of last week....16 TDs....0 INTs....That is a guy who is reading a defense....

I'm not advocating Foles by any strech...I am howver saying...Tanne continues to lag behimd his peers...and (imo)...hasn't shown thay FLASH of greatness....

benz, no one is giving a 1st or 2nd for Tanny.

Teams have recently traded high picks for Kolb....signed Flynn to a healthy contract (and then ate it)....were desperate enough to sign Pryor.....took J Russell #1.....traded UP to get Sanchez.....trade back into Rd 1 to draft Quinn.....used high picks on Ponder, Locker, Gabbert, Freeman, Weeden, Smith and Manuel--you dont think a few teams would trade a high pick for TH?--LEARN from recent history....

But we aren't going to discuss that Today, Marco.

We will discuss the QB position Today.

I know you know it better than Dashi. But I can still teach you a couple things.

Now, Dashi is only going to discuss this one more time for a while, because it is easier to say Tannehill Sucks!! Than it is to "Explain" Why Tannehill Sucks!! And I'm tired of these Masochist always wanting Moore!!

So from now on when one of you stooges with Tourettes yells out Tannehill Sucks!! I will tell you this Tannehill Is Fine.

He isn't the problem.

He is developing ahead of schedule.

Tony.....read my post after yours.....history, FACTS, tell us otherwise

Kris,

You to can join in this discussion.

Tannehill is fine.

YPG, well thats easy when you abandon your running game and pass all the time.

TD's 71% per game... Nice stat.

Passing TD rate per game..

2012 0.75 ratio.

2013 1.4 ratio.

An increase of turnover rate from Thill

2012 1.06
2013 1.5 per game.

Any QB that increases his turnover rate per game in year two isn't going to get it done.

He is throwing more TD's per game, but then he is throwing 6 passes more per game and has a nuch better WR corps to play with. Thill in his first year starting all 16 games only threw 12 TD passes which is one of the fewest of any QB in NFL history to start all 16 games.

Thill is sub par so far.

Dashi....

I didn't ask your permission...nor did I intend to....

MY question is are you sure he has the arm for the deep ball , he rarely puts zip on the sideline passes and intermediate routes one of the reasons he throws so many picks. And another that bothers me is constantly throwing a one yard pass on third and three and getting tackled before the first down to throw the ball past the first down marker if it is caught it is a first down they do this a lot and it is frustrating to watch, reminds me of Chad Henne.

Just root for the team. Hope he starts to get Wallace a deep one or two every game.

if that happens we should start to score around 30 points a game.

Kris.....agree with most of your post, and regarding Foles, I think its a clear indication of how much good coaching can do, for a QB and in general....which is why I'm holding out some hope for TH--Chip Kelly is a good if not great coach....took over a mediocre/underachieving Eagles roster and they've improved alot (not great, but much improved)--and Foles is the best example.....3rd rd pick, average arm, no one was impressed....not saying he'll be great over time, agree, but Kelly puts him in good positions to succeed--his offense/schemes are off the charts

OL Horrible...hard for any QB to be successful behind these guys...Tannehill does need to use his legs more and run every now and then...throws a nice mid range pass...he is tough, which will allow him to survive...and possibly thrive one day. God Bless.

Dolphins need to find a way to score more points on offense besides offensive line help we could also use a big play running back, Dolphins should use more screen passes to Thigpen he has proven he can be dangerous with the ball in his hands, why not try what they have been doing isn't working we really need a innovative offensive coordinator, which is why Sherman has to go after this year or be demoted and let someone else design and call the plays.

The only young QB that you can compare Tannehill to right now is A.Luck.

The offense that Tannehill is asked to Run is light years ahead of what any other young QB is running. And only Luck is asked to do as much s Tannehill.

RG3
R.Wilson
C.Newton
Kaepernick

And a couple other young guys aren't asked to do as much. None of those 4 are allowed to make Pre-Snap adjustments.

While some here are worried about T-Hill going Go-Go!!

The Defenses that play #17 are worried about all the checks he is doing pre snap.

Tannehill is out there directing Traffic while the other guys are Hall Monitors.

wrong Scott we cannot run screens we never could.

i think iv'e seen 2 screens work in the last 10 years.

we need to get Wallace the deep pass twice a game.

Coryell and Fouts created the modern day passing game. Not Marino, not Walsh and Montana.

Kris great point.

The QB role has evolved and there are so many QB's out there playing Thill of the park at the moment.

He ranks so poorly and is getting nowhere fast. As you mentioned with Foles out in Philly.

The passing attack has QB's playing at a much higher level than was expected before. Guys compare Thill to the top half of the league instead of the bottom.

There are journey men QB's out there with high 90 and 100 QB ratings.

There are second year QB's just like Thill with better ratings.

He rates so low against his cohorts and his peers.

I've given him 26 games and 1250 throws to show me.

What I've seen from him is a guy who does have some skill, but in very small measure. I dont see a guy whose game is on the rise overall. As I pointed out things like leadership and aggression he doesn't have along with confidence and game management intangibles.

Nice guy, mediocre QB so far in his career. How long do you guys give him ? A year two. He has been in this Offense for 6 years now.

Benz...

You get what I am saying....

not gushing over Tanne does not mean you don't want him to succeed...buyt someon here think that if your opinion of him is "SHOW ME"....as opposed to there...qhich is...the FINS drafted him....so there for he is my QB for life"....because the FINS draft so well...

Let the play on the feild define your opinion....as opposed to the fact that he is a FIN...and that is good enough for you....

Only 5 teams in the AFC have a better record than the Miami Dolphins. Some of you act like we are 1-9.

Do you think Tannehill "gushes" all over Lauren tannehill?

marco, Tannehill is 14th in attempts per game so your theory of he gets all these yards because we pass more than most is bogus too.

His yards and tds are growing faster than his turnover rate... but you can tell me this means nothing too....

Seems to be your way....

Rdubs....

Right on cue...

Dashi,

QB's not asked to do as much as Thill.

Nice of them to do so much more on the field then without being asked isn't it.

Maybe we should ask Thill to less. I'll go with that, so much so as I'd make him hold a clip board on the sideline while someone else plays QB for the team.

Mark, you are letting Marco make a fool out of you. He is not remotely serious about anything but provoking responses for his own entertainment. You are just one of his puppets here, not me,

All this football talk is boring. Shouldnt we be talking about the biggest news story of the year?

Richie and Pouncey watched the Dolphins game together...Isnt that worth at least 5 pages of comments on this blog? LMAO

..Here is some info about our line compaired to some other teams..I tried to find equal qualifiers to make the comparisons fair..I looked at total pressures. Sacks+Hits+Hurries= total pressures. I only looked at the teams with over 400 pass tries and then looked at teams with more total pressures then we had..

For instance..Miami..414 passes. 123 total pressures 24% of pass snaps Tannehill gets pressured.

Indy..407 passes 149 total pressures 28%
Pitt..429 passes 138 total pressures 26%
Phili..406 passes 139 total pressures 27%
Baltimore..421 passes 135 total pressures 26%
Atlanta was in this group as well but lost their stats.

There were also 13 teams worse then the above, but did not meet the 400 pass attempt criteria..Seattle 352 passes 111 pressures 25%

New England isn't much better then us..411 attempts 119 pressures 23%

So what is says..We give up a lot of sacks in the confines of the average amount of pressures. It is a baffling stat IMO...What it says to me is that for the most part. The protection is the league average. If you looked at just hits, and hurries, and took away sacks(I know you can't do that, but if you could separate the qualifiers) We would have above average pass protection..

What does this mean?

Thills yards per attempt are exactly the same as last year mates, 6.8.

Do you not recognise his Turnover ratio per game has increased either ?

To those of you that think the blog sucks or there are too many trolls - it IS your own fault.

It just amazes me how many of you are so naive that it isn't obvious to you which posters are not remotely serious about anything and come by only to instigate a debate

Kris

Everyone here knows that if someone here thinks Tannehill sucks!! It is you.

Tannehill can have a Great game and break a record, and you would come on here and say, Oh OK nows I need to see him do it again next week he still hasn't shown me anything. I have seen Better.

Of course you have seen Better. As I Dolphin Fan you were blessed with seeing the Most Prolific Passer in History.

Dan Marino didn't need an O-Line.

Dan Marino didn't need a Running Game.

Dan Marino didn't need a Defense.

Dan Marino didn't need a TE or 2 (like some suggest we should do)

Dan Marino didn't need WRs.

Dan Marino didn't need Feet. (He was good with One. As long as he can stand your F'cked!!)

Heck, D.Marino didn't even need a Kicker to win.

Of course Tannehill will never stack up to Dan the Man.

He doesn't have to. Tannehill is fine. And he keeps getting better.

Did Oscar call Tannehill a gunslinger? Wow, talk about the biggest misstatement ever on this board. What is it about Tannehill that screams gunslinger? He is Mr. Short pass. If he was a gunslinger you would see a lot more deeper passes, not to mention a lot more bigger plays, not to mention a lot more TD drives. That's what gunslingers do. Gunslinger have a lot of interceptions, but have a lot of TD's and big plays to go with it. Bottom line is Tannehill does not have the instinct to be a gunslinger. He needs to see a receiver run a nice short route and he only throws if that receiver is wide open and he can get in there last second. He has zero anticipation. You never see him throw the ball before a receiver breaks. Like I said he may be good but never very good. He is in the Locher and Ponder mold. By the way Drew Brees was a heck of a lot better than Tannehill his first few years, so very very poor comparison!

Mark....

Tanne is 11th in Pass ATTEMPTS....4 passes outside of nbeing in the top 10...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/passingAttempts

Last year Thill

2012 Thill 16 games 17 turnovers.. HMMMMMMM
2013 Thill 10 games 16 turnovers..HMMMMMMM

sorry his turnover ratio per game is what ?

Sorry its another one of those situation where I can't let the facts get in the way.

POP. I have respect for those that argue with integrity and intelligence mate.

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