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Wallace vs. Cromartie: Shut the other guy up

It was obvious last week the Carolina Panthers had no idea how to stop Dolphins reciever Mike Wallace. He was open short, deep, intermediate. He scored one touchdown on a 57-yard catch but he might have had three other TDs if passes had caught him in stride or he'd made some tough catches.

It was a classic mismatch.

This weekend when the Dolphins face the New York Jets, there should be less of a mismatch available to Wallace because it should be Antonio Cromartie shadowing him all over the MetLife Stadium field. 

If Cromartie, who is nursing a hip injury, plays, then New York's finest cornerback will be locked up on Wallace.

(Yes, it's possible the Jets might decide to play Cromartie in man against No. 2 WR Brian Hartline and then double and roll coverages to Wallace).

But that would be unexpected.

And if this matchup plays out as expected -- as Wallace surely expects it will -- the key might be gaining the upper hand early and making the Jets loud cornerback something of a mute.

"He's a smart guy. He talks a lot," Wallace said. "He's going to try to get in your head so you just got to make plays and shut him up. Shut him up early, I think it'll be a long day for him."

Ah yes, but the battle of words is fought with a two-edged sword. If Wallace makes plays early and shuts up Cromartie, apparently taking some of his swag in the process, then the Dolphins receiver has the edge.

But if Wallace can't make plays early in the game, Cromartie's chirping will get louder. The cornerback's confidence will grow -- perhaps in conjunction with Wallace's frustration. And then? 

"If not, it could the other way around. It'll be a long day for you," Wallace admits. "You just got to try to make plays and stay into the game and not get caught up in the extra stuff with him. I know he's going to talk. At the same time, he's a guy who can talk and back it up so I'm not going to take anything away from him."

It is hard to take anything away from Cromartie (except maybe a child support check) because he is a physical freak.

"He's a tall, long, rangey guy who even though he's that big, he likes to shadow and just play full speed," Wallace said.

Wallace played against the Jets last season when he was with the Steelers. He caught five passes for 74 yards and a touchdown.

A repeat of that kind of day might be considered something of a win by the Dolphins.

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I've heard people hypothesize that what undid him in TB was his obsession with finding the next Rich Gannon in a long line of retreads instead of investing a high pick in a QB ... ??

Gruden's fine right where he is now. A tv head and voice box. Please don't unravel the spool.

I've heard people hypothesize that what undid him in TB was his obsession with finding the next Rich Gannon in a long line of retreads instead of investing a high pick in a QB ... ??

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | November 27, 2013 at 04:38 PM

There was probably some of that but he did draft QB's, Chris Simms comes to mind who he took in RD-2 but the rest of their QB picks including Gradkowski were all of the 6th or 7th RD variety. He Re-Created Gannon and won a S.B. destroying him with Brad Johnson at QB and afterwards I think he believed he could walk on water and turn water into wine when it came to NFL signal callers remember after he leaves G.B. Favre (98-05) had some mixed bags for Seasons while he kept winning with guys who had washed out elsewhere. A victim of his own success and believing his Newspaper clippings.

Also I do no believe any great dc's nor oc's would be kicking in the doors to come work for Gruden. He's only a top name in NFL job vacancies in name recognition only.

He only won with ready-built teams only. Then proceeded to have the wheels begin to fall off and eventually wore out his welcomes.

fin4life there was a guy who posted on miamidolphins.com named Frank. He posted an exact post I've seen you post. Are you Frank?

Gruden's fine right where he is now. A tv head and voice box. Please don't unravel the spool.

Posted by: Sam I Am | November 27, 2013 at 04:45 PM

When he made this move I thought here is a guy whose fire should translate to Madden type TV career but am not all that impressed with him. If you notice he likes something about everybody while doing his best to be humble and I just think he's better served being the guy in those funny new commercials he does. In any event I agree that this would be a mistake for both parties us and him. Matt Millen was on his way with CBS and Fox before he became the butt of all jokes. I just feel that once their out after achieving the highest success possible in the game moving over to TV were it's basically a 5 month a Yr. Multi-Million Dollar gig you lose your edge and most importantly the drive to put in the time. I think out of all the Coaches we brought in Jimmy who lives in Key Largo really had the teams best interest at heart but wondered after the long Hrs. What the hell he'd gotten himself into after tasting the cushy TV life with Howie and Bradshaw and simply wanted out.

Posted by: fin4life | November 27, 2013 at 04:56 PM


Fully agree. There's probably a 2yr window of returning after a hc leaves the game. Not only is it about may or may not having the same fire. It's about staying on top of the game to.

Head coaches currently in the game have a very tough time staying abreast all of the fastly changing game, not to mention rule changes and different era of players themselves.

This all falls in direct line with the phrase:

"Out of sight, out of touch."

The longer outsight of sight you are, the more out of touch you become. This applies to almost everything in life.

Gruden was done in Tampa because he couldn't acquire new talent after Dungy's players ran their course.

Want 4-12 ?

Lobby for Gruden.

Gruden = Chucky.

Jimmy Johnson was great for the Dolphins.

This mediocre crap would have started happening in 1996 without J.J..

Phins were able to stay relevant until 2003 because of J.J..

Jimmy's teams posted winning records seven years in a row.

...and don't be ignorant and tell me Jimmy was only here four years.

His players were so good even Wannstedt won with them.

J.J. built a team in two years.

Thomas, Taylor, Madison, Surtain, Marion, Gardner...all pro-bowlers.

Ireland has had six years.

Fifth losing season in a row, enjoy.

jimmy drafted aazing on the defense side, but drafted awful on offense

fin4life there was a guy who posted on miamidolphins.com named Frank. He posted an exact post I've seen you post. Are you Frank?

Posted by: Sam I Am | November 27, 2013 at 04:55 PM

Just caught this, No Sam I'm not Frank and what exactly did we post the same out of curiosity?

hilarious fin

Phins 78,

Doug Williams.
Posted by: Marco. | November 27, 2013 at 03:23 PM
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Re career backup QB's who became saviors:

Jeff Hostettler (won a SB with the Giants)
Uh, 1971 Dolphin savior Earl Morrall, backed up Unitas for about 3 decades. LOL
More if you want them

EVIDENTLY CROMARTIE IS NOT PLAYING

So this whole story is a non-story (again).

jets win 3-2

FIRST 48 MIAMI ON AGAIN

The victims, suspects and detectives are all non-white.

Back to back episodes in Overtown yesterday. Both victims (non-white men) were shot riding girls bicycles. Odin Lloyd would've fit right in in Miami.

OK.
Give Tanny a REAL QB coach, an open minded, talented OC, an AVERAGE at least O-Line, and a DECENT, consistent (90 yards per game on 20-25 attempts) and I'll wager Tanny would be playing better than Andy Dalton, whose arm is as weak as Pennington's. However, they Bengals didn't use a precious high1st rounder on Dalton.

BTW, regarding the run game, it's those damn 2-3 yard losses on 1st down that are killing the Fins. 2nd and 13, guys like Rex are going to bring they house.

Just catching up, read previous comment.....

"He (Philbin) developed the QB well, and definitely was pass-first, but he balanced it with the run game".

This was regarding Philbin developing Rogers in Green Bay. Philbin himself said last year....

"When asked what his involvement was in turning Rodgers from the 25th overall pick to Super Bowl MVP, Philbin answered, “I wouldn’t say a lot.” Philbin of course sat in on meetings with Rodgers and helped design the first 15 plays of each game, but didn’t have as much direct involvement with Rodgers as did other members of the Packers’ coaching staff. “Tom Clements was quarterbacks coach, and Tom did a fantastic job,” Philbin said. “I was in their meetings two or three times a week, but I kept my big mouth shut because I believed in Tom Clements. So I don’t want to sit here and take a lot of credit for Aaron Rodgers at all.”

“I was in their meetings two or three times a week, but I kept my big mouth shut because I believed in Tom Clements. So I don’t want to sit here and take a lot of credit for Aaron Rodgers at all.”

Posted by: cocoajoe | November 27, 2013 at 06:11 PM
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Cocoa, maybe it's the holiday season seeping in, but the above quote you posted spoken by Philbin makes me like him a bit more than when I woke up this morning.

He only won with ready-built teams only. Then proceeded to have the wheels begin to fall off and eventually wore out his welcomes.

Posted by: Sam I Am | November 27, 2013 at 04:50 PM


It seems to me that Gruded was the only coach since Madden to get the Raiders back on track. Had he stayed one more season no doubt his ring would be black and silver instead of orange an pewter.

Fair to note TB when straight downhill after Grudens first season, but fair to note the Raiders got better for the first and only time since Madden.

since madden?? they have won 2 super bowls since madden

IMAWriter, guess I need more of the holiday spirit. Or is that spirits?

Unlike many of you, I don't believe there is a secret formula for success. I don't think there is any GM/HC pair that can guarantee success with any franchise. Just like players, many top HC's have flopped when moving on to another team.

It is much more difficult than most of you imagine. Too much depends on too many factors - the draft, FA, who is available, what do you need versus what you got, and how well all the coaches and players mesh together. Marino proved you need more than a franchise QB. It helps, but it the end it is a team game first and foremost.

bodine we long for the marino years now. before we talk super bowl lets least get back to playoffs most years or even a winning season yearly

cocao,

I think those SB's were under Flores who pretty munch inherited Maddens team. THere was a long dry spell in Oakland just like we've had, lot's of coaches in and out with no success until Gruden, and nothing since Gruden. Maybe his style just fit the players on that team. Luck plays a part too.

bodine madden gone in 78, raiders won in 83

bodine oakland didnt get better, after they lost super bowl to tampa, they havent had a winning season since

I don't long for the Marino years. They were endless frustration - so close, so far every season. Then he had the worst game of his career in his only SB appearance.

The Marino years were like endlessly hoping the cute girl next door was ready to bounce you but every morning you woke up and saw some other guy leaving her home.

jimmy drafted aazing on the defense side, but drafted awful on offense

Posted by: dusty bottoms | November 27, 2013 at 05:43 PM

Remember it was Jimmy who built the Cowboys OL and drafted Emmitt and traded then Div. rival in Old NFC East Cardinals for T.E. Jay Novacek! His Center Mark Stepnoski played at Pitt. in the late 80's a Big-East opponent (back then nobody in that Conf. was a rival or much of a challenge) and was a 3rd Rd steal as was LT Erik Williams also a 3rd Rd steal (best OT of his ERA bad rep and arrest has kept him out of the HOF) He gets Williams were he got him because he had poor grades coming out of H.S. and went on to play Div 1-AA in the NAIA at Central St. in Ohio but Jimmy who recruited the Big Boy knew him well then the icing was Nate Newton out of Fla A&M who was already on Landry's team as an after-thought but started balling for JJ who always got the best out of his guys.

Yes there was alot of arrest at both UM and Dallas (also here) but for whatever reason nobody got more out of a team of supposed thugz than Jimmy. In Miami it was Darryl Gardner who acquired a rep at Baylor of a slacker who took to many plays off and the reason he slides out of the top-10 of the 96 draft but he balled under JJ, the wheels coming off under Wannstedt.

The one thing about taking on to many personalities that eventually would haunt JJ was in 97 after he brings in Lawrence Phillips and he gets arrested in that Off-Season for the 2nd time since joining Miami inciting a riot in a Bar Fight were he was with then UM QB Ryan Clement (under 21) and another charge thrown at Phillips. Jimmy caught alot of flack for it by the South Fla. press and suffering from a hang over for it in the 98 draft passed on the troubled Randy Moss out of Marshall for Mississippi's John Avery.

In 99 after kicking himself for the Moss thing he took on Cecil Collins who gets arrested in the Bedroom of the couple living next door (what was he thinking or on!) and of course Demetrius Underwood who attempted suicide after JJ grabbed him when the Vikes cut their 98 #1 pick in camp! Later Underwood escapes the Psychiatric Hospital he was in and shows up at Training Camp were they had to call authorities already looking for him in the oddest event I can recall.

He NEVER had so many of these gambles with players back fire more than when with the Dolphins but this was in large part due to understanding he couldn't trade Marino and he needed to put some players around him with the days of Dan's heavy lifting in the rear view which led to these two basically hating each other to this day were you never hear them talk about the other.

dusty, my point was they got better under Gruden for the first time in decades. Gruden was already gone when they went to the SB, Gruden beat his own team.

worst game of his career?? that would be the jacksonville game or dallas thanksgiving game of any of them


cocao,

I think those SB's were under Flores who pretty munch inherited Maddens team. THere was a long dry spell in Oakland just like we've had, lot's of coaches in and out with no success until Gruden, and nothing since Gruden. Maybe his style just fit the players on that team. Luck plays a part too.

Posted by: Bodine | November 27, 2013 at 06:25 PM
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Did you get me mixed up with somebody else? I didn't comment about Flores/Madden. But you're right about one thing....so many variables involved in even getting to a SB. Luck has a lot to do with it

bodine madden gone in 78, raiders won in 83

Posted by: dusty bottoms | November 27, 2013 at 06:27 PM

Also in 80 Vs. Philly with Vermiel balling his eyes out and the announcers coining the term:

"Blackbeard Football is King of the Hill in the NFL!"

Flores won twice pulling Plunkett off the bench both times in relief. In 80 it was replacing Dan Pastorini acquired in trade with Oilers and in 83 he replaced 1st RD pick (wore #6 forgetting his name)

Marino, Sayers, Sanders, Stockton, Malone...some of the great, great names in sports to never get a ring, and they deserved one more that most that have one.

Do I want to see more of that? Nope.

marc wilson

but in 83 plunkett was the starter for most of the games

also in 1980 plunkett was starter for most games

Luck has a lot to do with it

Posted by: cocoajoe | November 27, 2013 at 06:35 PM

Like your QB not blowing out his Achilles heel or in the case of the 2013 Un-LUCK-y Colts losing your possession WR with little to no rungame after what is looking like BAD in Season trade of #1 selection of 2014 draft now needing to draft replacement for the aging, injured vet while also needing OL and DB's.

My point is a good F.O. has contingency plans in place, the young aggressive Colts G.M. bit the bullet on his trade and Ireland's lack of action by week-3 seeing the mess at OL not reacting to it when it still made a HUGE difference to our 2013 fortunes!

cocoa, I was responding to someone else who only noted the down side of Grudens career. I was merely pointing out he did have an upside too. As coach of the Raiders he got them competitive again.

But yes, to my other post....there is no formula, too many variables, and lady luck is one of them too.


man luck looks bad this year colts dont scare anyone

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dusty,

I'm old enough to remember and had always (secretly with fin-lifers for a family) been a fan of those Raiders teams growing up. I was drawn by the dark uni's and personalities with then showboat/maverick owner. Pastorini broke his leg in week-1 of the 80 Yr. and in 83 he replaced Marc Wilson (finally remembered NO looking it up!) in the 1st half of the Yr. but in both instances he came off the bench and the reason the 2-time SB Champ isn't in the HOF.

Luck looks bad, RGG3 looks worse..but the fans don't take this into consideration when they judge RT. What can you expect from any second year QB with the wort offensive line in maybe 10 years.

Marino, Sayers, Sanders, Stockton, Malone...some of the great, great names in sports to never get a ring, and they deserved one more that most that have one.

Do I want to see more of that? Nope.

Posted by: Bodine | November 27, 2013 at 06:37 PM

You forgot Charles Barkley who played in the Jordan ERA, later becoming good pals with the guy who kept him from at least 1 sure title when with the Suns he gave Jordan a run in the 91 finals.

Wilson is now looking like the prize QB of that draft. But...the jury is still out..another 2 or 3 years are needed to tell the story. I believe RT still has upside and will be our QB for a long time.

People complain about RT's long ball. Ok. Yeah. We need to see improvement there. But he has his upsides too. He has made a handful of right on the money clutch throws this season. The guy its tough and can take a hit! He can run, and the coaches to their credit are first forcing him to become a better pocket passer before unleashing him as a runner...something Shanahan should have considered sooner.


My point is a good F.O. has contingency plans in place, the young aggressive Colts G.M. bit the bullet on his trade and Ireland's lack of action by week-3 seeing the mess at OL not reacting to it when it still made a HUGE difference to our 2013 fortunes!

Posted by: fin4life | November 27, 2013 at 06:40 PM
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No argument there concerning our team. Just saying good teams go thru a lot during the season and you have to be in a position late in the season to compete. That translates to no significant injuries to key players (luck) and winning tight (little luck there too) games down the stretch

You forgot Charles Barkley who played in the Jordan ERA,

Posted by: fin4life | November 27, 2013 at 06:47 PM


I didn't forget Barkley. I will always remember him in the finals with Denver with 2 or so minutes to go and the game on the line, and he carelessly fumbled his dribble out of bounds. What I remember was his response - he was grinning and chuckling. Well he blew a chance for a ring right then too. I don't think Barkley as great as he was had the heart of a lion like those other guys.

Luck looks bad, RGG3 looks worse..but the fans don't take this into consideration when they judge RT. What can you expect from any second year QB with the wort offensive line in maybe 10 years.

Posted by: Bodine | November 27, 2013 at 06:46 PM

After last Yrs. injury Vs. Baltimore Shannahan should have shelved RG3 and gone with Cousins (his other rookie QB who looked good as well)

The criticism he's enduring is JUSTIFIED! RG3 doesn't look like the same player by a long shot! He won't step into those throws at the line and doesn't have the same strength to plant into them when off his back leg. It's obvious to anyone watching! The minute that leg caved on him in the Playoff game Vs. Seattle you knew that kid was REALLY BADLY HURT! You think Dr. James Andrews would have been taking him in and off the sidelines that day if he didn't think the injury was serious enough to keep him off the field and worse that it would require surgery??

You can only hope he gets it back but I would pull him now, the talk that he shouldn't be playing is warranted! Your Luck observation is dead on though because now with little running game and Hilton triple covered downfield, Luck is struggling BADLY!

Agreed you sit RG3. What are they, 3-8? Forget ego's and peer pressure. Rest him, think of next year, and at the same time give Cousins more experience. It's a win, win, win.

. Well he blew a chance for a ring right then too. I don't think Barkley as great as he was had the heart of a lion like those other guys.

Posted by: Bodine | November 27, 2013 at 06:53 PM

I remember what your talking about as well and your right he blew it there but in 91 in the Finals with a Sub-Par Suns team he carries to the Tournament he dropped over 40 on the Bulls twice and pushed Jordan hard. I remember that was the Finals MJ went NUTS dropping 7 three's in a row from all over the downtown stripe.

What Shanahan did with RG3 last year was no different than what Wanny did with Ricky. They both tried to ride their super hero to the sunset, and overspent their wad.

Barkley was a beast, yeah...maybe he deserved a ring...but for some reason that play in Denver sticks in my mind and made me think he only had the mojo in spurts when it counted most.

Agreed you sit RG3. What are they, 3-8? Forget ego's and peer pressure. Rest him, think of next year, and at the same time give Cousins more experience. It's a win, win, win.

Posted by: Bodine | November 27, 2013 at 07:01 PM

2 ways of looking at it.

One is that Cousins really surprised me last Yr. coming off the bench and now maybe the real future there, time will tell remember Carson Palmer was anointed the 2nd coming after his 04,05 Seasons till Kimo Von Offelemen cheap shotted him in the 05 Wild Card were it was so severe with an infection later that they were talking amputation and he NEVER recovered mentally. Became a shell of himself from there on. The deep pass which you know requires the legs was a floating duck from then on. You wonder if Griffin will make it all the way back not just physically but mentally?

Two is that if Cousins shows out and Griffin shows the mental toughness all of Virginia outside Baltimore hopes he has then Cousins still shows out only now you pump him up for someones low 1 or high 2 remember in the RG3 trade the Redskins gave up 3 #1's which will take it's toll. You can't lose that many #1's in the rookie CAP ERA because the Vets cost more! They need to recoup what they can as well and Cousins maybe a ticket in that direction.

What Shanahan did with RG3 last year was no different than what Wanny did with Ricky. They both tried to ride their super hero to the sunset, and overspent their wad.

Posted by: Bodine | November 27, 2013 at 07:04 PM

Ricky didn't have structural damage to his meniscus with strained ligaments as in multiple in his knee because had he had them he makes a business decision an sits. Ricky played all out but after his early retirement I NEVER forgot his crack about Wannstedt being a clown! No way Ricky who took care of his body lets Wannstedt put him in that position over pressure to make the Playoffs.

We can only guess...but mine is that the injury was so soon in his career that was already overhyped more than anyone's in recent history...that he will recover mentally. He is still at that age where you feel invincible. However....if by next season he still isn't 100%, the doubts that he ever will be a gain may haunt him too much to get back on track. Also one more injury to the knee could be enough to make him tentative for the rest of his career, just as Marino was in his late years after the achilles and neck injuries took their toll.

LV has us by 2 points over the Jets this week. That means they think we are 5 points better than them. DO NOT BET ANYTHING until Thursday's Games are played.

The RG3 trade is a lesson for all GM's in the future. No rookie is worth THAT much! It is too high a gamble for all sorts of reasons.

And look at the flip side....what did Cleveland get for giving ATL the right to draft Julio Jones? A pile of bust picks. If you need talent, TAKE it while you can.

Ireland should have taken Dez, but I don't want to rehash that whole scenario.

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