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A win for the Dolphins and something more

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- I have no idea if the Dolphins are going to make the playoffs. No one does.

As of today, they are still on the outside looking in as Baltimore is holding the final AFC playoff spot over Miami despite both teams having the same 6-6 record. The Ravens, you'll recall, defeated the Dolphins and that is the difference between them now.

Frankly, I saw a bad first half from Miami Sunday followed by a promising second half. That speaks about these Dolphins because they are nothing if not inconsistent. So I can't tell you that fine second half dominance over the Jets is going to carry over to next week.

Or the week after.

Or the one after that.

But I do know this:

The Dolphins ruined the Jets season on Sunday. They not only beat the Jets, they demoralized them.

The Dolphins pounded not one but two Jets quarterbacks. People got benched.

Rex Ryan was sick about it.

That's the Jets we're talking about. And the Dolphins just about put their season to bed.

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I am behind Tanny 100%. But show me consistent winning, a better deep ball and much more pocket presence and field awareness, and then, and only then, will I call him the Dolphins future. Definitely looking forward to seeing what he brings to the table the rest of this season and next.

But let's not annoint him the savior or call him a bust- another year and an improved OL and running game will tell us more. It is what it is at the moment- That's the real deal on Tanny folks

Well, they better make noise this season, because Soliai and Starks are probably gone. Patterson and Grimes are probably gone. Keller was never really here and he's gone. But, Misi, Wheeler, Ellerbe, Jones are here to stay.

Sam the last few Super Bowl winners were teams that got hot/good in Dec and Jan....we have the players. Do they have the heart??

Posted by: Marc | December 02, 2013 at 03:56 PM

Only saying a guy with FAR LESS collegiate starting qb experience, now outperforming 2 qb's(Luck/RG), NO ONE would have chosen over the 1st and 2nd overall 2012 qb picks. Only 1 yr removed.

I know this was supposed to be a TRAP QUESTION. So, how did I do teacher?

I'd take 15/8 over 17/15 with 8 fumbles...Just saying


Well, they better make noise this season, because Soliai and Starks are probably gone. Patterson and Grimes are probably gone. Keller was never really here and he's gone. But, Misi, Wheeler, Ellerbe, Jones are here to stay.

Posted by: Marc | December 02, 2013 at 04:01 PM

Please explain why ALL these players are gone??

Marc, nobody has said that, just that Tannehill has been on par with Luck at the very elast this year. That in itself makes me excited.


I'd take 15/8 over 17/15 with 8 fumbles...Just saying

Posted by: Marc | December 02, 2013 at 04:03 PM

and Im sure Tannehill would take the WR's, running game and OL that Luck has!!

Man, is Miller fast to that corner or what? If we only had any banger inside runner, we could toy with any run D.

Marc, did someone leave you with blue balls on the weekend? What makes you think all those guys are gone?

Well, Bill. In case you missed it they are all UFA's at the end of the season and Starks and Soliai are both UPSET and likely want to go. Patterson because of injury reasons, and as someone said yesterday Grime's price goes up with every INT. Plus he's 30 coming back from a season-ending injury. Minora boy and his people with give them all low-ball offers. They might keep one or two. Maybe

Posted by: Bill Arnsparger | December 02, 2013 at 04:01 PM


Exactly! At times the NFL playoff is exactly like a VEGAS Casino run. Doesn't matter who's the best player in house. It's who's HOTTEST PLAYER in the house.

Marc-
If the Dolphins do the right thing, all of the four players you mentioned will still be here. You see, that's where I stuggle with this team. It is likely that Starks, and maybe more, will be gone next year.

That's not how you build a winner. Those that don't think Bush would have helped this team this year, need to have their heads examined. You build a winner with winning players. Bush was a leader, and Starks is one of the few leaders left. Jettison those guys off and you wind up with a team with too few leaders and too many guys still trying to figure out what it takes to win.

That is why I am still in the camp of bringing in a real GM who assembles a group of winners.

The team did take a big step forward this Sunday in the face of adversity. For that, I smile and an happy for them. Maybe this is the start of something but we've been down this road before. In other words, bring me more winners. Missing the playoffs or stumbling in and losing aint' cuttin it anymore


Minora boy and his people with give them all low-ball offers. They might keep one or two. Maybe

Posted by: Marc | December 02, 2013 at 04:07 PM

"Minora Boy"....there is no place for your racism on any blog much less this one. Years I have seen you on here....where did this come from? I wont even debate your erroneous football related statement because this shows your incompetence.

Posted by: Bill Arnsparger | December 02, 2013 at 04:12 PM

And his ignorance Bill. EVERYONE knows you spell it: Menorah.

haha, marc, the Jewish owner has never been shy about spending ... whoever they pick as keepers will be kept. Soliai and Grimes have both said they love being Dolphins and Starks just wants to get paid so ther eis no Jake Long in the bunch that would spite a an offer from this team if it was the best one or even a good one in some cases.

...Bill A..I will agree with you about Tannehill being a quarterback without the help of run game, or decent line. Last week you listed 5 things. Deep threat and tight end that Tannehil was lacking at his disposal. I see that you have omitted deep threat(righty so) but still seem to be harping on the tight end position. Or in your opinion..The lack of quality at the spot.

I have to ask..What is acceptable? Does Tannehill have to have an All Pro tight end before we can really evaluate him? Clay has proven to be more then capable. He is a top 10 tight end in this league(as far as receptions) he is on pace to have the second most productive year in team History....He could be the most prouctive if he averages 5 catches a game over the next 4.

So what do you want? How is he not a weapon? Don't even attempt say he is a poor blocker. That is not on him. That is our system. It goes hand and hand with running game. Since day 1 of this season Joe Philbin made it clear the run game would not be the focal point of this offense. Lamar Miller, actually is the player who is difficult to evaluate because he simply has not had enough carries to be totally evaluated.

Who knows how good the run game could have been it Philbin wasn't a pass happy junkie???

I'd take 15/8 over 17/15 with 8 fumbles...Just saying

Posted by: Marc | December 02, 2013 at 04:03 PM


Number 1, Tannehill has 13 ints, not 15. #2, at times turnovers become A WASH.

All turnovers are bad, it's only the ones that lead to opponent scores that kill you. A qb can actually have less turnovers than another qb and still hurt his team far more.

Why? Because it's the number of turnovers that your opponent actually capitalize on that are like stakes through the heart.

Also, I see you didn't mention Luck's 5 FUMBLES or Tannehill hasn't had a fumble since the Pat's game. Looks like he's cleaning that up to me?

DC I just don't get some people...then everybody just looks past it when it arises. I will never look past blatant racism no matter who it is against....as for ignorance we both know that ignorance and racism go hand in hand

I said before, I hope Ireland fully appreciated the value of signing your own this year. Build from within and use free agency to bridge the gaps and the draft to add your difference makers ... it's pretty simple when you think about it...

MARC, Read'em And Weap:


Tannehill Is Outperforming Andrew Luck

CMP 280
ATT 451
YDS 3,115
CMP% 62.1
AVG 6.91
TD 17
LNG 67
INT 13
QBR 83.2

Andrew Luck
CMP 243
ATT 418
CMP% 58.1
YDS 2,793
AVG 6.68
TD 15
LNG 73
INT 8
RAT 82.4

So not only is Tannehill OUTPERFORMING the 2012 #1 overall pick, he's OUTPERFORMING the 2012 #2 overall pick RG3, also.
Sherman was correct, Tannehill is the most improved of 2012 qb draft class. Russel Smith's numbers are similar to last year's.
Tannehill is on pace to shatter his 2012 performance. Sherman was absolutely correct!

weep

Posted by: darryldunphy | December 02, 2013 at 04:15 PM

Mr D how about an all around TE. If we are just looking for the best pass catching TE then we may already have him on our team in Egnew. He cannot get on the field. A TE that only goes out for a pass is called a slot receiver...we have those....we need a pass/run blocking TE that also can catch. Especially since we don't have a true FB on the team. Clay lines up at TE but he is a slot WR.

Tannehill is playing at least as well as the other guys in the 2012 draft picked ahead of him. The stats are facts he's done very very well behind a leaky line and inconsistent run game. He's not perfect and needs work on his deep passes but even Manning was taking criticism about that. No one here can say they know for sure he won't improve his deep passes. His numbers across the board have improved from last year and that's a reason for hope...he's going to work on it and he usually responds well.

Grimes, Patterson, Starks, and Soliai are all interesting cases. All 4 will be 30 or older. I hope Ireland/Aponte keeps at least most of them. Patterson is the one I'm not too sure on. Guy is good when he plays, but he's barely been on the field this year.

2 other interesting cases are Clemons and Carroll. Both aren't the best, but they have improved and every position can't be pro bowlers.

This team has 39 million in cap again going into next season. Thats a good chunk of money for the draft, retaining our own guys and getting some good free agents.

.Sam.. I would bet Eagle fans would argue their guy is the most improved quarterback from the 2012 draft.

HAHA. Do you guys even understand the definition of "RACISM?" I knocked up a Jew. I was there for Thankgivikkuh...And she takes all my money. It's funny you half-wits.

It's not racism. It's prejudiced. And those, exist for a reason. Hebe's are cheap.

Both Andrew Luck and RG3 have taken slight steps backwards in their 2nd season.

Tannehill has taken nice steps forward, just like MIKE SHERMAN said he would.

One thing for sure, T'hill is does have it drive, not park or reverse.

NeMo. I think a lot of people dwell too much on the age of players and re-signing them to long term deals.

In this age of the NFL, deals can be structured to keep you from cap kill, and older players get cut loose early on a consistent player. For my money, re-sign the proven guys that are stll playing at a high level and bring in younger talent around them. All four of our FA's are still good players, albeit Patterson has issues staying on the field. I would keep those guys over marginal players like Nolan Carrol.

Granted he's going to come cheaper but there is a reason for that. You have to keep as many of the consistent players as possible to win in this league.

consistent basis... sorry

Say one thing about marc, he sure is consistent and doesn't backpedal...

Sam.. I would bet Eagle fans would argue their guy is the most improved quarterback from the 2012 draft.

Posted by: darryldunphy | December 02, 2013 at 04:24 PM

19 tds 0 ints, what a CINDERELLA story. The clock should be striking 12 any minute now.

19 tds 0 ints is far too good to be true. Marino was never that good.

Hey numb nuts racist the following are the defintions from Merriams

Prejudice:
an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics

Racism:
racial prejudice or discrimination

Get it now RACIST! You are ALWAYS bragging about who you "knocked" up...guys like you usually have blow up dolls and that's it! Grow up dude!

I also think there's a big difference between 30 and 32+ for position players. So you may want to pay these guys while they are 30 and 31 but structure teh deals where you escape the cap hit if you want when they are 32+. Players get paid, teams are protected, everyone's happy.

We saw the team they can be when they can run the ball. They combined for over 100 yrds. But, give me 80-100 for the next 4 games and we win 3 of them. This team will not beat Brady no matter how many rushing yards they get. They do not have the 4th quarter power to to duke it out with him. Not this year anyway

Eagles probably cut Vick over he offseason, then Fowles comes crashing back to Earth. That's usually how these REAL LIFE fairy tales end.


Say one thing about marc, he sure is consistent and doesn't backpedal...

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | December 02, 2013 at 04:30 PM

You condone his racism MIT? I expect more from you. You have an education.

I'm hostile to my baby momma. She takes 20 percent. 20 percent! I almost want to be unemployed just to spite her Jewish ass ;)


Eagles probably cut Vick over he offseason, then Fowles comes crashing back to Earth. That's usually how these REAL LIFE fairy tales end.

Posted by: Sam I Am | December 02, 2013 at 04:33 PM

Exactly Sam defenses around the league have tape on him and plan accordingly. Just like RG3 and Kaep

MIT, I'm feeing the franchise tag will be used on Grimes, while we continue to develop the 2 rookie corners.

...Bill..so what. Jimmy Graham doesn't block. TG doesn't block, Julius Thomas doesn't block. I could go on. Gronk is the exception, not the rule anymore. Keller was brought into be what lay has become this year. If you want to question how we use our tight ends, blame the coaches, blame Philbin. For the purposes of this offense. Clay is more then capapble. He as been a nice weapon for Tannehil...If you want Fasano back. if he is the type of tight end you think would make this offense better. That is up to you.

You said Tannehill is lacking a TE..I disagree.


I'm hostile to my baby momma. She takes 20 percent. 20 percent! I almost want to be unemployed just to spite her Jewish ass ;)

Posted by: Marc | December 02, 2013 at 04:34 PM

Wow a real winner you are....yu would deprive your child a good life by becoming unemployed?? Holy Cow just shut up Marc....youre showing what a douche bag you really are!


You said Tannehill is lacking a TE..I disagree.

Posted by: darryldunphy | December 02, 2013 at 04:36 PM

DD by definition of the position...Clay is not a TE. So I stand by my stmt. We need a REAL TE. We don't have a FB. You cannot have no FB and no TE. That leaves the strong side unprotected. Could be why Clabo had so much trouble in the first half of season. He had Tony Gonzalez at ATL.
Clay just lines up at TE...he is really a slot WR.

My child is far from deprived! Bill, your holier than thou attitude is obnoxious. Learn to take a joke, and stop riding the team's *** so hard.

Here should be the plan to keep both DL's in my opinion...Give Starks his money and years. Pay that guy and then offer Solai an increase from the last offer. Solai wants to be here badly and continue playing with Starks. We can afford to lose one of those guys but not both. I would be happy going into 14 with Wake, Starks, Odrick, Vernon, D. Jordan, Shelby, AJ Francis (I like this guy a lot to develop). I would only worry about keeping Grimes and not as much about Patterson. We must have money take care of the OL and TE positions.

..Sam I Am. I am equally surprised @ Foles numbers. I didn't think he would be much of a Pro Quarteback. My point is that if you were in a debate with a Philly fan about who the most improved 2012 qb is. You would have a hard time convincing them that Tannehill is the guy over their own..Fairy tale or reality...Foles is tearing it up right now.

I'm not condoning anything, just commenting...

Tvegas and Mark, just playing my hypothetical gm game for a minute here. I probably shouldn't even be doing this during the season, but why not.

I would probably try to sign Grimes, Starks, Soliai, to 4 year deals with only the signing bonus and 1 or 2 years guaranteed. That way if their play dropped off at the end of the contract they would be cut. Now if the players and their agents would go with that or not is another story.

Patterson is a more interesting case. He's a 5.4 million cap hit and is going to be 31. I might cut bait with all of his injuries.

Lets just hope the team finishes well and Ireland/Aponte/Philbin are still making the decisions.

Sam, I think Grimes will be the easiest to sign and they come to an agreement pretty quickly.

Starks will be tricky. AS will Soliai for different reasons.

Patterson will be flat out cut. he's good but can't stay on the field and tehy have some talented young guys that need the preseason snaps bad.

I don't think either Starks or Soliai are easily replaced. The guy behind them shine in limited action, but, I doubt they would with a full day's work.

Starks is REALLY unhappy. See, flipping the bird to the bench! Soliai, I recall reading a report that he wouldn't re-sign here and was offended by the last offer.

Grimes is a no-brainer, but, I can remember him saying he was making a point to get paid this season, and I doubt they'll pay him.

Maybe if Keller recovers here and has made some buddies he'll come back on the cheap.

I will still sign the three though. Free up some draft picks to be used elsewhere...

Sam Grimes should be signed NOW...he should never see the open market.

Starks is gone...Philbin will not let another issue type player stay on this team, ala Cogs, Starks gave the coaching sidelines the finger in game 1. That stuff is remembered. Soliai stays.

Patterson cut and maybe brought back for less money.

There is no way Grimes will be gone. Patterson I suspect will go because of his injury history and high cap hit. But Grimes? You gotta be kidding me. He will be signed. As far as Solai and Starks go, I expect one to stay. If I had to take a guess I would say Soliai stays.

There is a way Grimes goes. See Bush, Long, SEAN SMITH (Although I always hated that guy)

If they don't PAY THE MAN he'll be gone.

Posted by: Bill Arnsparger | December 02, 2013 at 04:41 PM

Two Things:

1. We have this kind of TE, he's still in "development". His name is Dion Sims.

2. Gronks do not grow on trees. It's not often rookie TE's come into the league and light it up their 1st yr in the league.

Actually, though decent at run blocking coming out, Gronk really did not become a runblock force until hi 2nd season.

TE's like Gronk are an extremely rare NFL commodity. I do not believe there are more than 3 NFL TE's total, who block and catch at an EXTREMELY high level.

Usually they are good in one area and great in the other. With fa and the salary cap, EVERY team has holes in areas. In today's NFL, the more Pro Bowl caliber players a team has, the more danger they are in losing some of them.

Everyone ants to be paid, but the salary cap does not allow it. Some positions a team has make do with what they have to stay strengthen in other areas. Kind of like robbing Peter to pay Paul.

That's the MALADY of today's NFL. Even if you have a slew of Pro Bowlers, the salary cap only allows a 2-3yr run with those same players together.

..Bill A..Ok.

I am not following your logic..Because Clay doesn't line up as a traditional TE..That equates to Tannehill struggling, and needing a tight end that lines up to block, and run routes only like a traditional tight end? That is the qualifier for you?

Anyway..This is not in Joe Philbins DNA. He wants a tight end to be formation flexible. it is more importantr in thi offense for Clay to be..Charles Clay..Then it is to be Anthony Fasano. Philbin wants his proimary tight end to be a pass threat first blocker secondary.

So in your argument. Clay isn't a traditional-Old School tight end. He doesn't qualify as a tight end? I'm just trying to figure this out. How would Tannehill be better if say Fasano(I use him because he is an in-line blocker, pas threat second) was still the tight end?

Rip the system all you want. I would agree with you. But that hasn't been your point. You have repeatedly said that Tannehill has no tight end threat. I am saying this is wrong.. Clay is not only a threat. But a huge asset in this particular offense.

DD you are wrong I have ripped the system...go back and look at my 5 requisites for helping TH....one of the 5 was coaching/scheme.
The rest were:
OL that actually protects QB
RB
WR that actually catch the ball deep
TE...a REAL TE that pass protects, run block and catch

2 reason I think it's possible Grimes gets franchised:

1. Jamar Taylor
2. Will Davis

Unless either of these guys begin looking bust in the coaches eyes. Both will be starters in year 3.

Franchising Grimes buys 1 more year of time.

Sam if we actually sign Grimes we take less of a cap hit because of how we structure contracts. So Im hoping they get this done way before the FA period starts.

This is not in Joe Philbins DNA. He wants a tight end to be formation flexible. it is more importantr in thi offense for Clay to be..Charles Clay..Then it is to be Anthony Fasano. Philbin wants his proimary tight end to be a pass threat first blocker secondary.


Posted by: darryldunphy | December 02, 2013 at 04:59 PM


This is pure speculation and nothing more. How do you know what Philbin's DNA is without ever having discussed football or even the weather with him?

If anything his DNA is like most coaches, to use the players you have to their best advantage on not try to fit a square peg in a round hole.

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