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Dolphins beat Jets 23-3, still alive

East Rutherford, N.J. -- This was a butt kicking.

Even when the Dolphins led 6-0 at halftime, the Dolphins were dismantling the Jets -- holding a 265-39 edge in total yards and a 16-2 edge on first downs.

And then the Dolphins actually added points.

Ryan Tannehill, who had a fine game. He completed 28 of 43 (65.1 percent) for 331 yards with 2 TDs and 1 INT. His QB rating was 94.2. (I told you he could get hot in December).

He found Brian Hartline for a 31 yard score.

The QB found Mike Wallace on a 28-yard score off a screen.

And the defense, which had shut down Geno Smith in the first half, continued its dominance. Backup Matt Simms was no better after he took over a benched Smith. Simms threw two interceptions. Dannell Ellerbe and Brent Grimes had the picks.

Olivier Vernon had 2 1/2 sacks.

It was, as Joe Philbin, likes to say, a complete team win.

Did the Dolphins show some flaws? Well, yeah.

They still can't score a TD on third-and-gaol from the one yard line. They still can't get an offensive TD in the fourth quarter.

But today that didn't matter. The Jets look done.

The Dolphins are alive.

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The Dolphins, historically, play well in Pittsburgh.

BTW, Sam, thanks for correcting my misinformation regarding Vernon's stats.
Being a UM alum, I'm proud of how well our guys played today. Miller played very well too.

Going into the Meadowlands and coming our with a "W" is always a great day. Especially when its done in dominating fashion.

A lot of things to like today. But this has all the makings of a "what if" season. What if we were able to hold leads vs. Carolina and New England. What if we hadnt got off to such terrible starts vs. Buffalo and Tampa? What if we'd made a couple more plays vs. Baltimore?

The only thing that bugged me today was play calling down near the goal line. Our teams biggest weakness is O-Line. The strength of the Jets is D-Line. Dont plow Clay into the middle of the line...... And stop throwing fades into the corner of the end zone. We dont have Calvin Johnson, or Jimmy Graham or Fitzgerald. Use Miller's speed to the outside, make it a footrace to the pylon. Or bootleg Tannehill and give him a run/pass option. Call plays that work to the strengths of our players.

A total housecleaning is still needed though. If the Fins finish with 8 wins or less and miss the playoffs they absolutely, positively CANNOT keep everything the same.

Posted by: Mask Of Winters | December 01, 2013 at 06:22 PM

Ireland should have been gone with the last regime change, that`s a given. Half way changes don`t seem to work out.

So hopefully we don`t have another halfway change with Ireland leaving and Philbin staying.

IMAWriter,

You cannot give all of the good picks to Parcells and all of the bad ones to Ireland. Ireland was the GM.

If that is the case then we cannot count any bad picks the years that Parcells was here against Ireland. That would support the argument that Ireland needs more time because he has only had two drafts.

As for Egnew, I never said that Egnew was great, I said he is contributing after not playing at all last year. My point was judging a draft on its first year. Miller hardly played last year and now he is starting.

Use Miller's speed to the outside, make it a footrace to the pylon. Or bootleg Tannehill and give him a run/pass option. Call plays that work to the strengths of our players.

Posted by: Garbage Plate | December 01, 2013 at 06:34 PM

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Totally agree.

Hopefully Gene Steratore won't be the ref next week...he is a Pittsburg homer and 3 years ago robbed us at home when Ben fumbled into the end zone and we clearly recovered. He reviewed it and said it was a fumble but couldn't tell who recovered the ball. Well I saw 2 Dolphins jump on it and stand up with it.

he should have been fired. that cost us our season that year.

Only 5 teams in the AFC have a better record than the fins. It's s tough league. Parity is here. We are not as bad as the bloggers think.

FISH DROP AIRCRAFT WITH BOMBS REX RYAN GOES BACK TO BABERSHOP QUARTET ALONG WITH SMITH AND CROW-MARTY

Orlando I think how Ireland does business is reason enough to let him go, let alone the drafts. But his drafts aren`t as bad as some make them out to be. My problem with his drafting is his plan for what types of players to draft and at what positions. Also our scouting office needs a shakeup or something, and that`s his perview.


The Dolphins, historically, play well in Pittsburgh.

Posted by: Bill Arnsparger | December 01, 2013 at 06:32 PM

Not in Pitt...against Pitt. Except we have lost the last 5 straight since 2004. Steelers were Championship type team we were LOST! We are 9-12 all time against Pitt.

Wallace should take advantage of Ike Taylor who should be covering him. They know each other well but Wallace is the better player for sure.

Orlando, not I who posted regarding egnew. Bad pick that high though. What has he reality done?
This year's draft is awful by any standard, even if Jordan becomes a starter/probowl type player.

So many misses at crucial positions. Sturgis has already cost us 1 game, and I cannot believe with a 7-9 team, you can't get even one starter out of a draft. Not ONE.
I don't count sturgis, as that was a slaty thing.
I don't want to get into the ireland thing. We had a great win today against a team we had to beat, on the road.

My guess is if the Fins don't make the playoffs, somebody has to pay. Surely some coaching changes, and ireland, true to hs nature (see Tony Sporano) will throw SOMEONE, other than himself under the bus. he learned from the Master.

Well I gotta go but I must fortell the future. Watch Marco, the TROLL I have exposed, come on nowand spit his lies and hatred. It is best that everybody ignore him. You cannot feed the TROLLS!!

How many bad drafts has New England had? they are only relevant because of BRADY.....

Salary, not "slaty."

Darkoak | December 01, 2013 at 06:39 PM

Another dumb post. Go have a hot chocolate and ask mommy to read you a story.

Dolfan Rick,

Don't forget about Odrick, Mathews, and Clay also. Mathews a 7th round pick and Clay a 6th round pick. He also drafted Pouncey, Miller, and Tannehill. I also think that Jordan is going to be force to be reckoned with in years to come.

We just have to be patient. I think that Ireland has done a good job. If anything I question the hiring of Philbin. That put Ireland behind the eight ball. He had to change from 3-4 defense that played well under Nolan to a 4-3 to accommodate Philbin (different type players). On offense he went from Maulers like Long to finesse players on the line like Philbin likes. He is a good GM!

Hopefully Gene Steratore won't be the ref next week...he is a Pittsburg homer and 3 years ago robbed us at home when Ben fumbled into the end zone and we clearly recovered. He reviewed it and said it was a fumble but couldn't tell who recovered the ball. Well I saw 2 Dolphins jump on it and stand up with it.

he should have been fired. that cost us our season that year.

Posted by: wallyfin | December 01, 2013 at 06:36 PM
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Sheesh, was it THAT long ago?
There were bad calls that entire game.

If, in fact Steratore IS assigned, you KNOW the fins will be 'sleeping with the fishes." LOL

Bold

Harbaugh Sr fires his OC late in the season. Risky move. SB victory follows.

Harbaugh JR fires his QB mid season. Risky move. SB appearance follows.

I was fine with Sherman in the beginning. Now? No. Philbin needs to show he too is bold. He needs to replace his OC friend.

Is Noshawn Moreno a free agent I like the way this guy plays. Denver has a bunch of good backs.

IMAWriter,

Just because they are not starting now does not mean that they will not start in the future. Who were these rookies going to start in front of on defense? The corners they drafted are not ready yet to play over Patterson, Grimes, or Carrol. The two CB were also hurt the entire preseason. We also don't know yet about players like Thomas, Simms, Jenkins, and Jones. Talk to me in 3 before you call this draft a bust. Many of you guys called players like Hartline, Clay, Clemmons, Carroll, and Vernon busts after 1 year. It is a big step to go from college to the NFL.

Man, we gotta give it up for Tyson Clabo. The guy as really settled down since Martin quit on the team.

We beat the hell out of him when he was down. So we do owe him his accolades now that he's propped himself up.


Thx Mr. Tyson Clabo, thx for not staying down.

wallyfin

You will be considered and idiot, a white ghetto slug, until you learn how to spell. Take 2 seconds to google the name right.

You wonder why this country is going down hill it is because of lazy fkr's like you.

Is there a bigger draft bust than Geno Smith?
Posted by: Darkoak

Yeah, Dee Milliner.


Seriously though, while Smith has been awful, he was a second round pick.
The majority of second round QB's don't pan out, so it's hard for me to ever think of him as a "bust" no matter how his career pans out.
No one thought he was going to be ready to come in and play right away in the NFL...It's not his fault that he was drafted by a dysfunctional organization that threw him in right away, with that "talent" around him.

I'm just glad that wasn't the case for Tannehil last year. As he was able to stay a float despite being thrown in a similar situation.

Nice win today.
It's tough to make too many judgments because the Jets look that bad...but it's a division road win, and those are always a good thing.

Sam,

I agree. I was just going to post that myself. We are no longer talking a bout Tyson Clabo. I have to admit I was one of his harshest critics early on but he has really improve since. Kuddos to Clabo.

Tannehil vs. Jets, week 13, QBR = 94

Brady vs. Jets, week 7, QBR = 54

The idea that Carroll starts is in itself an indictment of our lack of quality.
Both those guys were injured prior to the draft, another Ireland fault. Jordan injured as well.
Look, I'll trade a Fin playoff win for an Ireland firing. IU'd rather see the changes come at OC and QB coach. 2 birds with one firing, so to speak. Tanny has had lousy instruction since his Jr year at A&M. And whom was the cretin who wasted Tanny's first 2 years at A&M?

I suppose part of my bias comes from the slutty Harbaugh power play by Ireland and Ross against Sparano. I have ZERO respect for Ireland as a MAN.

ImaWriter, no offense, but I absolutely hate when our fans talk about the refs. IMO, when they refs are in a position to control a team's destiny, it usually means that isn't a very good team anyway.

Refs are human, they blow at least 1 call a game, no matter what teams plays. Very good teams usually win in spite of refs calls against them. Good teams execute and dominate controlling their own fate.

No fan can blame the refs for not having a very good team.

ROSS NEEDS TO BE DECLARED INCOMPETENT AND THE TEAM BE TAKEN OVER WITH A POWER OF ATTORNEY BY ARISON WHO WILL THEN SPEND AND SPEND TO GET THE BEST FREE AGENTS.THEN ROSSY BABY WILL MAKE MIRACULOUS RECOVERY AND TEAM WILL BE GIVEN BACK AND ALL HE WILL HAVE TO DO IS RING THE CASH REGISTER AND HOLE UP IN HIS BOOTH GETTIN DRUNK AND WAVE TO THE SEASONTICKET HOLDERS.

Sam, not just sera tore but the replay officials misused it as well.
Millions saw 2 Dolphins on the ball.
However, I'm not usually down on officials, especially as I have been an umpire with Babe Ruth several years previously.

I will say that I'll wager you've not been a Fins fan as ling as I, or you'd remember the NUMEROUS times Jets/Fins games were officiated by the horrible Johnny Greer, who even Jets fans admitted was a Jets homer. He'd call holds against the Fins himself, if his crew didn't.

WOW! Peyton Manning's one of the very few NFL qb's that can throw 2 interceptions and still put 35pts on the scoreboard.

UNBELIVABLE!

...So here are the numbers for our 3rd down short yardage conversions. I only used third down and 2 or less yards as the qualifier. If I would have added 3rd and 3 or less. We would have been even worse.

So we have had 39 tries in this area. About 3 per game. We have thrown it on 22 of these downs and distances, and only ran it 17 times..We are much more successful passing it..14 successes, 8 failures(which to me is a poor rate of conversion) Running it. We have attempted 17 runs. With 7 successful tries, 10 failed. This shows what everyone already knows...We struggle in these situations.

Some other interesting trends..we failed to pick up a first down(3rd down short yardage) for 9 quarters from the first quarter week 4 to the second quarter of week 6. We also did not attempt to convert a short yardage play on the ground for 3 games..week 9-week 12 where we had our highest percentage of conversions 5 of 7.

This week we completed 1 pass on 1 try and 4 runs with 1 first down, failing on the 3 other attempts.

The side note..If we add 3rd and 3 or less. it is really bad. We haven't even tried to run for a first down on this down and distance. I didn't count, but the pass success rate on this same D&D was poor as well.

Carroll has done a pretty good job this year and has been in the league for 4 years. IMAWriter, you talk as if a draft pick is only used for the first year and then they are let go. Just because the two rookie CBs are not playing this year, does not mean that they will not be more mature next year and will play a significant role. Look at the Jets they started Millner today at CB, an early pick. How has that worked out for them? He has been picked on all year and was abused by Hartline today. He was eventually benched. The truth is most rookies are not ready to start when they come into the league. Vernon had 4 sacks all of last year and struggled mightily against the run. Vernon one year later is starting has 10.5 sacks to lead the team.

The Fish dropped an anchor on Rex Ryan and the Jests laughs on you chumps.

The OL has definitely improved. Do you think it has something to do with either Martin or Incognito -or both- gone?
Clabo has gotten much better, so has McKinnie. Could it be that Martin was that bad or that Incognito was a major distraction inside that locker and everything was a joke? I think it is both IMO.

Ohhhh yeah Logged back on to say that Tannehill has 4 300 yard games this season. FIRST QB SINCE MARINO to do that!
He is the right QB lets get him some talent on OL, RB and TE!

IMAWriter, I believe every team has at least 1 loss a year that can be directly related to the officiating. While, not so good teams can blame officiating for at least 3-4 losses a year.

Truth be told, the 3-4 losses they blame on officiating, their overall execution not the officiating, was far more responsible for those losses.

Thanks for the stats DD. I figured that they would be dreadful.

If you recall under Sparano. The fins were automatic on 3rd and 4th and short. Now they cannot get a yard to save themselves. I blame this on Philbin and his philosophy. He does not believe in a FB and they are paying the price for that. This is why I think that Ross made a mistake wanting this type of offensive minded HC. I still believe that this type of offense is flawed. It worked great in GB because they had the best QB in the league but look at GB now with that philosophy and no Aaron Rodgers. They have the same problems the dolphins have, bad offensive line that cannot protect the QB or run the football. I am just not a big fan of this offensive system.

wallyfin

You will be considered and idiot, a white ghetto slug, until you learn how to spell. Take 2 seconds to google the name right.

You wonder why this country is going down hill it is because of lazy fkr's like you.

Posted by: Alvin Lee | December 01, 2013 at 06:51 PM

And what should we consider you until you learn grammar and spelling?

Truth -

The reason I don't think Tannehill is going to lead us to the promised land is that he winds up costing us points/games. I realize the OL is crap (played much better today - and don't want this to be dismissive of their problems) but when you have opportunities to score point because your receivers have burned your man, and you can't get the ball to them, those missed opportunities wind up costing you in the long term. See the Carolina and Bucs game, and almost cost us the Chargers game as well.
In the last 3 games, Wallace and other receivers have BADLY burned their man, and Tannehill cannot connect, or he throws the ball that turns a sure TD into a jump ball. Couple that with holding the ball to long and some questionable decisions, and that's why I'm not a big Tanny fan.

I love the phins, and being up in the NYC area, I'm glad they kicked the crap out of the jets... but for all the yards they put up in the first half... they were up 6 points. That's not going to work in the playoffs.

..OD @ 7:12...I agree 100 percent. Well said.

Posted by: Orlando Dolphan | December 01, 2013 at 07:12 PM

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+1 there.
orlando, much of your rebuttal to my comments are valid, except the fact that a SIGNIFICANT # of rookies come in and play well, especially at DB and LB. I can name dozens in the last 2-3 years. 49'ers have 3 of them, same with Seattle, etc. The GOOD teams find these players. Teams that have not had a winning season for 3 straight years can't afford to waste 75% of their draft, as has happened year after year. The significant contributors this year heave been expensive FA…grimes will be another, if Ireland can get his head out of his rectum.

Dude WTF do you think this is a spelling bee.Look at Igcognito do you think he can spell and has good grammer and punkuation hell no, but he does know how to drive to the bank to cash his blingo check.

Posted by: Matt | December 01, 2013 at 07:16 PM

You have a good point Matt, but it's a grass is always greener on the other side kind of thing. We are going to scrutinize the players on this team more than we would another teams players. I don't know how many games you typically watch but even the best QBs in history don't find the open man every play, or hit them.

All kidding aside. Please consider donating to the Herald's wish list charity. There are so many needy people. Debating the merits of a silly game is meaningless compared to those who are truly suffering.
Standing by for incoming.

BTW, I've really enjoyed this blog today. A win helps, but honest back and forth respectfully is excellent.
No doubt we love our Fins.

BTW, I've really enjoyed this blog today. A win helps, but honest back and forth respectfully is excellent.
No doubt we love our Fins.
Posted by: IMAWriter | December 01, 2013 at 07:22 PM

Great post!

Thanks, Darkoak.
Lots of really well informed folks here today. I've missed the boat a few times, but don't mind the corrections.
Happens when you think with your heart and not your head. LOL

So we have had 39 tries in this area. About 3 per game. We have thrown it on 22 of these downs and distances, and only ran it 17 times..We are much more successful passing it..14 successes, 8 failures(which to me is a poor rate of conversion) Running it. We have attempted 17 runs. With 7 successful tries, 10 failed. This shows what everyone already knows...We struggle in these situations.

Posted by: darryldunphy | December 01, 2013 at 07:05 PM

You tracked 39(22 passes 17 runs). Meaning we passed for it 56% of the times and ran 44%. At least it's great balance.

We're converting 64% passing, 41% running. Overall, that's 21-39 success rate, both running and passing.

Darryl, that's a 54% conversion rate, anything over 50% is considered very good. A defense's aim is to hold the opponent to 45% 3rd down conversion or less.

It's not our 3rd conversion rate that isn't great, it's when we run that isn't great. 41% conversion on the run plays is poor. You want to be at least 45% and higher. Overall, run/pass combined, 54% conversion is excellent by NFL standards.

FUKK ALVIN...BIG FING DEAL BRO

...What I will say about Philbin.I personally do not like him as a head coach. But I do respect what he is doing.

How does this make sense?? How can I have dislike for him, yet respect him? Here is why.

I think right now the way the team is developing Tannehill is a bit reckless. I think we should have been built to have a bit more of a conservative style offense while Tannehill grows into the mold of the kind of quarterback this offense demands. I think if we would have been more commited to a power run offense. We would have had greater opportunities to win some of these close games. I think we have put the weight of the offensive world on Tannehills shoulders. We are going to live and die by this.

Were I respect Philbin is that he has never waivered. This style of offense is what he wants to run here. Tannehill is learning how to play quarterback. He has been forced to learn under extreme pressure. Pressure to succeed. Pressure to be the focal point..right or wrong. Philbin has hitched his wagon to the idea of an offense that asks an inexperienced raw quarterback to lead an offense void of a run game. Without the thought of even thinking about a run a game..

If this is how Philbin wants to play offense..That is fine. Will it work? In the long run..I have my doubts. This is a difficult offense to run..It takes experienced quarterbacks a long time to settle into a system so demanding..But I he can pull it off. if Tannehill, and Philbin can weather this storm. The storm that is the learning curve, and the modern NFL that demands you win now..Philbin could end up looking like a Genius, and Tannehill will have put to bed any doubt he is anything less then a franchise quarterback.

There's lots of good fans on this blog no doubt.

Eventhough Incognito isnt good at spellin grammer or punkuation word on the street is that he is good with the putter.

Sam, maybe it's not the comparative percentages, which as you say appear "balanced."
For me , it's WHEN they choose to pass or run, and especially the TYPE of running play Sherman calls. Where are the QB draws, the roll outs with the option to throw to Clay. I really hate the shotgun on a 3rd and 1 or 2.
In fact, it's probably to Tanny's credit the Fins are above 50%.

I'll never forgive him for that horrible sweep to Thomas in the Saints game.(it was the Saints game?)

Darkoak -
I hear you. I just don't think it is fair to lay all those losses on the defense when the offense had its chances to put up points (more specifically, TDs) and had to settle for FGs or zeros because our QB can't hit a wide open receiver in stride. A few games ago Wallace had over 100 yards, but he should have had 200+ if Tannehill could get him the damn ball. There were 3 or 4 throws this game that were TDs if the throw was good. I understand not being perfect all the time, but an NFL QB has GOT to connect on those throws more often. His inability to make the throw to the streaking receiver is going to continue to kill us because we essentially bail out the other team's D and settle for FGs or Zeros.

Love this blog - and go Phins!

Made a post earlier Tannehill has 15 tds and 12 ints. Those numbers were without today's stats.

Tannehill now has 17 tds 13 ints with 4 games left to play.

Despite still having obvious flaws, Tannehill has put together some pretty solid stats.

ALVIN F*** YOU

Posted by: darryldunphy | December 01, 2013 at 07:28 PM

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Well said!

When we look at Tannehill's numbers, 3rd down conversion rate, etc, etc.... All of this is extremely impressive when considering this has been one of the NFL's worst offensive lines for most of the season.

DAMN IMPRESSIVE!

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