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Newsy afternoon at Dolphins camp ...

Newsy afternoon today at Dolphins camp where the team has placed cornerback Dimitri Patterson (groin) and R.J. Stanford (broken leg) on the injured reserve list.

For Patterson, this decision marks the end of a tough battle to regain his healthy after he injured the groin in the season-opener. He was able to play in only six games and started only four of those following the injury. He did suffer multiple setbacks during his attempt to recover.

The Dolphins today announced the signing of free agent cornerback Justin Rogers, a three-year veteran, and the poaching of Michael Thomas off the San Francisco 49ers practice squad.

The team is practicing today and running back Lamar Miller, who left Sunday's game with concussion like symptoms and did not return, is on the field.

Although it is impossible to say how much Miller will work and the Dolphins won't say, I can tell you he would not be on the field at all unless he had passed a concussion protocol test.

A source close to Miller tells me he doesn't think the running back's symptoms were too serious. So it makes sense that, barring a setback, Miller should be available for Sunday's game against New England.

Finally, the Dolphins added four new members to their relative new Walk of Fame. The third class inducted into the Walk of Fame consists of WR O.J. McDuffie, RB Mercury Morris, DE Kim Bokamper, and OL Keith Sims.

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Bill wins this debate unless the person who disagrees has some evidence to present?

The real Thunder and Lightening. Chuck Muncie and Tony Gailbreath N.O. Saints Circa 1976. Muncie wasn't 400lbs but played at about 250lbs. After being traded to the Chargers, Muncie showed up to Chargers camp fat, out of shape( maybe 270 lbs) and smoking a cig. Coach Don Coryell was so furious that he made Chunk run a 40 yard dash on the spot. Muncie ran a sub 4.5 in Bermuda shorts and bare feet. What a Talent! RIP Chuck

Need ore proof??

The Dolphins are the first NFL team to ever have two 1,000-yard rushers in the same season: Larry Csonka and Mercury Morris. They were the thunder and lightning of a three-back rotation that also included Jim Kiick, a steady presence but also the least prolific of the three. Csonka and Kiick had shared all the rushing duties in Super Bowl VI, which upset Morris and led to a meeting with Shula. A decision to spread the ball-carrying load among the three backs proved a very effective strategy, since it made it more difficult for teams to know what they needed to defend from play to play.

Need more???

3 people, (hahahahahaha!) are all agreeing and taking the opposite side of the debate against Bill.

But Bill still wins the debate. They have not provided one bit of evidence to counter Bills assertions.

That's not how a debate works. You can't just keep saying, "I know it's true because I had season tickets" when someone is actually pulling articles from papers and the internet that prove his point.

Surely you know this? No?

Reshad Jones didn't practice due to medical?? hmmmm did somebody hurt his feelings ala Jmart???

Find more what? A description of them from an old article does not mean the FANS ever used that term. It would be like finding an article describing Marino's "rocket arm" and saying the fans called him "Rocket Man" or something.

Like these other folks, I was ALSO around back then---Section 32, rown 7--so this isn't just talking outta my you-know-what. We NEVER used the term "Thunder and Lightning" as fans to describe those two. I genuinely think you're confusing it with the Saints backfield a few years later--which EVERYONE (even announcers) described that way.

Nicknames used back then were Butch and Sundance, The No Names, Kooch, etc. Not Thunder and Lightning.

Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one but I was there just as much as you, fellow old-timer!


Miami Dolphins RB Mercury Morris

The ’72 Dolphins had the top yardage, rushing and scoring offense (385 points in 14 games) in the NFL that year. Their offense featured a punishing ground attack, centered on their thunder-and-lightning backfield tandem of Mercury Morris and Larry Csonka. The speedy Morris and the grinding Csonka each ran for over 1,000 yards in 1972, while Morris led the team with 12 rushing touchdowns that season. The passing game took a backseat, as starter Bob Griese missed the final nine games of the regular season with an injury, and backup Earl Morrall managed the team for the rest of the way, letting the run game do its work. In fact, Morrall and Griese combined for only 1,998 yards passing in 1972, making the passing game a bit of a flaw in the NFL’s only “perfect” team.

I can find more if y'all like????

Posted by: Bill Arnsparger | December 10, 2013 at 02:25 PM


Come on Bill, you know that this is not "HISTORICALLY CORRECT". Where did you get this information, from the Keebler elves? LMAO. :)

Bill, you won.

The burden of proof now lies on the person who is arguing your stance.

If he does not provide proof there is no sense in continuing because it will be obvious he is just trying to bait you.

Bub? Any evidence or are you ready to admit you lost?

Phins78 that how it usually works on here...I have sat back and watched MIT pull facts and stats out of the wood work and they still say he is wrong....funny thing is its probably just one lonely soul changing his name to agree with his wrong stmt.

Reshad Jones almost cost us the Pittsburgh game.

Want proof? Watch the last play. Watch Reshad stand in the middle of the field after Ben tosses the ball left. He doesn't even adjust his angle to cut off the receiver. Stands there like a dope and doesn't run until it's too late. If Clemons doesn't hustle the wr wouldn't have stepped out of bounds.

THEY PAID YOU!!!!TRY HARDER RESHAD!

I am 35, I could give 2 sheetz about the 70's Dolphins. Am I less of a fan because I dont care what they did before I cared about the team?


The ’72 Dolphins had the top yardage, rushing and scoring offense (385 points in 14 games) in the NFL that year.

Posted by: Bill Arnsparger | December 10, 2013 at 02:25 PM

27.5ppg? Not bad for what "EVERYONE" considered to be a "3YDs and CLOUD of DUST Offense, eh? We haven't averaged 27.5ppg on offense for well over a decade now.

That Michael Thomas guy we poached off of the 49ers practice squad is a pretty decent player according to a lot of fan comments. Might be worth keeping an eye on him.

Posted by: will annoyingly correct every historical error | December 10, 2013 at 02:32 PM

ohhh so I bring you FACTS to support my contention and you want to change the argument....now you state the "fans" never called them that....hmmmm I stated as much in a previous post and Sam never said the fans called them that. I CLEARLY stated that the press called them that. You were also wrong about Butch and Sundance....that was NOT morris and Csonka....it was Csonka and Kiick!!
Im only 53 old timer maybe my memory is a lil better.....all is good though!

Fins looked great playing a 3-4 defense at the end of the Steeler game with 95 dropping back to cover the back or rushing from the end.
Our personnel is definitely suited better for 3-4 than a 4-3.

Bill with the EMERGENCE of Mercury Morris, Jim Kiick was reduced to little more than a 3RD DOWN rb only.

Butch and Sundance were reduced to Butch and Sunset.

Phins78, just out of curiosity were you going to the games back the? Were you season ticket holder in range Bowl...transistor tuned to WIOD, white hanky in your pocket, all of that?

Trust me. You don't want to get into a debate about Dolphins trivia with me. It won't go well.

I'm sure Sam is great guy and I'm glad he found that article. It IS an apt description of those two players and their differing styles.

But the point is the FANS never used that term at all with those two. I suspect even Bill knows this (since he was also there).

You, Phins, are just a peanut gallery voice on this one.

It is one person Bill and it's obvious to everyone. For some reason he thinks he's 'fooling the blog' even though he is called out 24/7.

This leads me to believe he has some type of mental deficiency. Probably not his fault.

Could be our friend Michael S. from Carolina Wholesale.

"Orange" Bowl. Stupid keyboard!

Pats are limping a bit with Gronk out and we got Brady rattled in the first half.

Look...we scouted them pretty good last game and we'll do it again for this one.

Our D is pretty solid and have only give up 30+ points once (Saints in the Dome).
I expect another close game and will echo my comments from last week...pray it does not come down to a long FG attempt from Sturgis.

Sam if you really want to see dominance review the defensive stats for the 72-73 teams....it is unheard of what those teams did. Shut outs, points allowed and W & L just phenomenal. The Dolphins teams of the early 70's really have never gotten the respect they deserve.

Phin, agree with your take on groin injury. I believe the trainer blew it.

I get it at Publix. Really good with 7up like in a float

No rdubs, it's all good. As long as you don't admonish the older guys for their reliving of the glory days. I was 2 years old when all of that was going on. I respect what they did but I don't really care to talk much about it because I have nothing to add. I was learning how to use the toilet at the time, I had bigger issues.

Where did I ever say Csonka and MORRIS were called Butch and Sundance, Bill??

Dude, I was there. I know damn well it was Csonka and Kiick (duh). It was a direct reference to the popular Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid movie of the time.

In fact, there's a cool old video of the two of them on horseback riding through traffic on Biscayne Boulevard.

Posted by: Bill Arnsparger | December 10, 2013 at 02:38 PM


No worry, Bill we win this debate simply because of the phony sign in name.

" will annoyingly correct every historical error"

"Historically" being a "KEYWORD". He blew himself to smitherings with that. You only presented the "FACTUAL EVIDENE". :)

Posted by: will annoyingly correct every historical error | December 10, 2013 at 02:39 PM


Im sorry Vet but you will have to think back a little harder.....the press made the comment not the Dolphins or the players. Butch and Sundance was Csonka and Kiick. Morris and Csonka were referred to in NFL films footage as Thunder & Lightening.


Posted by: Bill Arnsparger | December 10, 2013 at 02:23 PM

Bill won the debate. You can kick and scream all you want but that doesn't hide the fact that you haven't provided one shred of evidence.

You're in your 50's and you're getting this upset? Slow your roll guy, we are trying to have a good time not fight with one another.

I'm playing the part of the moderator in this debate because I can, who's going to stop me ya know? lol

Sorry, should say, "Bill and Sam".

Sorry Sam! You guys did a great job presenting your facts.

Michael Whitney Scott is it a slow day at Carolina Wholesales??

Posted by: Bill Arnsparger | December 10, 2013 at 02:41 PM

Yes, I know, the 72 defense had a league low 13 ppg allowed.

One of the few Championship teams to rank #1 offense, #1 defense.

I believe all fans should learn the history of the team they root for. Especially, when it's in an era, where they were the greatest team to ever don cleats and uniform.

That's absolutely PRICELESS!

Again, I'm more than clear about the nickname Csonka and Kiick had. Is there some bizarre reason you keep repeating this?

I get the idea it bugs you I was there, too. Went to my first game in 1968, in fact.

If you want to think you know Fins history better than me, then more power to you.

But I seriously doubt it.

Like I said, agree to disagree here. We all root for the same team ultimately even if some of us can even remember the name of the company that installed the Poly Turf in te OB (that would be "American Bilt-Rite")

"Phins78, just out of curiosity were you going to the games back the? Were you season ticket holder in range Bowl...transistor tuned to WIOD, white hanky in your pocket, all of that?"

Classic deflection. It doesn't matter that I didn't go because I'm not debating the facts.

I'm simply reading and monitoring the debate. Any one can see that Sam and Bill were the only ones who were presenting actual facts as opposed to your opinions and personal experiences.

They related opinions and experiences as well, but they followed them up with facts.

Where are your facts? Quotes? Stories from actual news clippings?

Sam it was the great early 70's Dolphins teams that taught the Chuck Knolls, John Maddens and YES Bill Walsh's how to win championships. This coaching tree is responsible for more Super Bowls than any other coaching tree. If you ever have the time look at the Paul Brown coaching tree that Shula is a branch of.

PERHAPS we can agree on this one:

Greatest Dolphins nickname ever? I'll award that to Don Nottingham, the "Human Bowling Ball."

Fairly accurate, too.

"Noll" not "Knoll."

(hey, don't throw a tomato, lol)

Phins78 don't waste your time....the facts always prevail.

WILL,


Nope we cant agree, that is the worst nickname ever LMAO

Anyway......................

Lets get back to the coming Pats game.
I believe the "GRAND IMPORTANCE" of this game stretches over 2 entirely different seasons.

1. 2013

Directly links to our playoffs hopes

2. 2014

The message must be sent their "2014 Kings of Afc East" crown is in SERIOUS JEAPARDY.

That's why I see the importance of this upcoming Pats game extending over the present and immediate future hopes of our "young" football team.

It was never used for Csonka and Morris. The only nickname for Miami's backs at the time was "Butch and Sundance" which referred to Csonka and Jim Kiick.

Posted by: will annoyingly correct every historical error | December 10, 2013 at 01:58 PM
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HEY! You won a point.
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You were also wrong about Butch and Sundance....that was NOT morris and Csonka....it was Csonka and Kiick!!
Im only 53 old timer maybe my memory is a lil better.....all is good though!

Posted by: Bill Arnsparger | December 10, 2013 at 02:38 PM
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Bill, this guy beat you on this one. Rebuttal?

Noll (under Brown) is considered among the first platoon guys. When he was a guard I Cleveland he would bring plays in from the sideline as a substitute.

Common today, of course, but back then it was fairly radical.

You are correct about Brown's influence and 'tree.' It is vast and Bill Walsh (among many others) is a direct branch of it.

Bill, hahaha, I think you misread his post there old timer! :)

Greatest Dolphins nickname ever? I'll award that to Don Nottingham, the "Human Bowling Ball."

Ahhh yes didnt he attend Ravenna High School in Ravenna Ohio.....get REAL!!!! Do you think ANYBODY cares about this nominal, at best, player??? The co that installed the turf in the OB??? REALLY????

Long time ago but I don't recall 'Thunder & Lightning'...do remember "Butch & Sundance' tho. I still have a piece of Astro Turf when they went back to grass

Mcduffie was damn good for us. Got those tough yards. Glad he made it


Bill, this guy beat you on this one. Rebuttal?


Posted by: Phins78 | December 10, 2013 at 03:00 PM

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He doesn't need to make a rebuttal. He simply read my response wrong. Not a big deal.

Guys it's been real. I have to run have a great day everyone.

Man, I really need to fart. I hate being held back at work...

My favorite Dophin nickname is "CRASH JENSEN".

Not fancy, but such a great adjective to describe Jensen, who maybe the greatest "all around player" in Fins history.

Sam fins will own the east in 2014

Fair enough wacehe. ps, still like the sign in ;) See ya guys


Bill, hahaha, I think you misread his post there old timer! :)

Posted by: Phins78 | December 10, 2013 at 03:01 PM


you are on a roll today....are you drunk like the other night???? LOLOLOLOL

Bill you come off as a pompus A hole. You may be a great guy in real life but I agree with Phins 78 slow your roll guy.

Newsy is the word,,,,,,

BEST DOLPHINS NICKNAME WAS FERRELL "FANCY BUTT" EDMUNDS.

ALSO JARVIS "CAT FOOD" WILLIAMS.

Mark,


try the squeeze and push technique. Clinch those cheeks and push out the gas, but always be careful. Sometimes they can come squealing out that way. Maybe you could call Cody Wallace for some tips, he seems to be very fond of that area of the body

The butt-naked lady just arrived. See you guys later. :)

I hate you rdubs for beating me by 5 freaking points because Dez Bryant checked out last night

Take care, Phins.

How about the Bruise Brothers....The Blackwood Brothers.

Truth,


In my other league I was the 8th seed and just knocked out the 1st seed. This is a pay league, so he is probably a little more PO'd than you LOL

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