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A second look at finalist possibilities

So who are the finalists?

Ever since my report saying the Dolphins will this weekend be interviewing the finalists for the vacant general manager job, the one thought on everyone's mind has been ... who are these guys?

Well, there seems to be much speculation and some confusion about that so allow me to dive in with my own speculation and confusion.

Late last night I was told by one NFL source two candidates who are definitely out are Pittsburgh's Omar Khan and Tennessee's Lake Dawson. Others reported the same thing. I don't care about them. That was wrong. I'm correcting me.

Khan is indeed out. Dawson, however, is in, multiple sources are telling me this morning. Dawson was always in. He is indeed a finalist for the job.

This ties closely with the fact Dawson had a good interview in Miami.

There are others and here is where the speculation begins:

I'm guessing Dolphins in-house candidate Brian Gaine will be a finalist. I have not been told this beyond doubt. But I do know the Dolphins recognize the respect Gaine has around the league. I know how he fits in being able to work with ownership, coach Joe Philbin and executive vice president of football administration Dawn Aponte.

One thing I must tell you about Gaine's candidacy that doesn't apply to any other is he's a known quantity. He has been in the Dolphins war room on draft day with owner Stephen Ross and Philbin so they know what he's like on that day. That's a view the Dolphins don't have on any other candidate.

The Dolphins also have his reports on players -- assuming he wrote some -- they can refer to. So I assume the Dolphins know with certainty how much Gaine hit and missed on players. They know whether he was truly a driving force in the chase for Cameron Wake, as has been reported, or not really.

(I was told that like everyone else in the building, Gaine was very much for getting Wake but expressed doubts about paying him the kind of guarantees the Dolphins paid him as someone jumping from the CFL).  

At any rate, my guess is Gaine will be a finalist.

I know others had great interviews with the Dolphins and I believe those resonated.

One of those is Cleveland's Ray Farmer. He was among the first candidates interviewed and I reported then he impressed in that interview.

Two things on Farmer:

He has a powerful ally in the room in that Carl Peterson, the former Kansas City Chiefs general manager and president and current Ross advisor, loves Farmer. Peterson hired Farmer in Kansas City. Peterson is intimately familiar with Farmer's abilities and potential and has passed those along to Ross.

One complaint I hear about Farmer is he's working for the Cleveland Browns. And if there is one franchise that is on the lips of NFL critics more than the Dolphins it's the Browns. So, readers continually ask me, why hire someone from the Browns?

Well, Farmer went to the Browns in 2013. He's been there one season.

I don't think you can blame the years of struggles the Browns have suffered on someone who has been in the organization one season.

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Dusty

I never said Eli wasn't a franchise qb. He's won two titles so if be foolish to say otherwise. I was making points on Ryan. He hasn't win anything and that's with great talent around him. You see now what Ryan does with average talent.

As far as Eli. Throwing interceptions in bunches has nothing to do with who is running the ball. He still had all his receivers and TE. The oline had injuries but did they throw ints?. I'm not diminishing Eli. I put Eli ahead of Ryan.

Ryan is nothing more than a name at this point.

To clarify, I never said Long was a grade D PLAYER - the draft pick - THE DRAFT PICK - gets a D because it was the very first pick in the draft, which commanded a huge, salary cap unfriendly contract back then, and it was used on a franchise LT, rather than a franchise QB. It was a draft mistake this team has been paying for ever since. Jake Long was grossly overpaid his last few years with the team, and it really hurt the team salary cap wise.
Remember, it's not just who you draft, it's WHERE you draft him. No way on earth, was Jake Long ever worth, THE VERY FIRST PICK IN THE DRAFT.

Signal, I don't ever believe in drafting for need,. hate the concept actually. Need by definition means you need that player to play a high number of snaps the following year from day one at a competent level.

However, many positions take time from the college game to the pro game. CB, WR, and historically Qb to name a few. OT unless the player is a top 15 pick is another.

If I have a need on my team I settle it with free agency or trade rather than the draft first.

For example last year, if my need is at WR, I acquire Mike Wallace, Greg Jennings or Anquan Boldin before I trust that job to Tavon Austin or Cordarelle Patterson. Does it mean I don't draft those players? No. It just means I take the Best Player Available instead of a need. You have depth today in one position, tomorrow you don't. Injuries happen during the season, etc. As a matter of fact last year I sat here and pounded the jeyboard endlessly on how we should draft Sheldon Richardson. Was it a need? heck no, it was our deepest position. But I said, you draft him, you let Starks go, you gain $8M in cap space, Odrick can start with Big Paul and you rotate Sheldon in.

Drafting a player with just next year's need in mind and passing over the best available talent is part of how we got in this mess to begin with.

You draft a player to use for the next five years - not the next one.

MOUTH ! STFU. That's his opinion.

Mass D and dusty

What makes a franchise QB. Why is Ryan considered one?. He's never won a title not gotten his team to the Super Bowl. Is it because he was taken with the first overall pick?.

Was Ryan leaf a franchise qb. He'd have to be as he was a top 3 pick. Just because a guy is picked high doesn't give him the title franchise QB. It's the same as tannehill being called franchise QB. Until he piles up the accomplishments. The word franchise must wait till it's used in the same sentence

And furthermore, you bring up we have 6 WRs on the roster. You think I'm going to forego a legit first round talented WR who is 6'4 220lbs+, runs a 4.5 and has the cathign radius of half the football field because Rishard Matthews and Armon Binns are on the roster?

ya'll knuckleheads kno
that leaf was on drugs in college and in the pros?

Sam, how was Odrick drafted as a 3-4 DE? What system do they run at Penn State? he was a DT in a 4-3 his entire college career.


Posted by: Mark in Toronto | January 23, 2014 at 12:00 PM


Uh... usually college DE do not come out 295-300lbs. This is the weight category NFL 3-4 DE's play at. Pass rush ability is a plus, but not a requirement in the 3-4. That's the lb's responsibility.

We played 3-4, therefore no-brainer he was DRAFTED A 3-4 DE. That's exactly what he played for us coming out of college. re you denying this? Ple4ase say you're not.

Also, because 3-4 DE's are not great pass rushers(few and far in between exceptions to this rule), therefore, as a gm I would only draft one 2nd rd at highest.

Even you have to admit, something far better could have been done with the Odrick pick. Ireland traded down, moved up in the 2nd rd, and drafted Misi.

Who also is another "very bland pick". So there you have it. Both our top 2 picks of 2010, very bland, to say the least.

1.Jared Odrick
2. Koa Misi
3. John Jerry
4. AJ Edds
5. Nolan Carrol
5. Reshad Jones
6. Chris McCoy
7. Austin Spitler

So, as you can indisputably see, the entire 2010 draft was very bland to mediocre.

Sad thing is, Ireland's last 2 drafts, may be his best of all. Still, none of those players are or were 1st year homeruns. Even the last 2 drafts can arguably be viewed as "too little, too late".

Does the fact Farmer was with Cleveland when they traded for Bess reflect poorly on him?

Posted by: Steve | January 23, 2014 at 01:01 PM

they gave up very little for Bess and he played well for them.

MassDolfan,

You're back-pedalling man.

If Jake Long had stayed healthy, you wouldn't be even trying to compare them to Clady or Albert. Its not even close. But he got injured. If you have a way of predicting injuries I'm all ears.

I still don't get, according to what we want or don't want to give Ireland credit for, Jake Long becomes "IRELAND's PICK".

But, then the bad "PARCELL's ERA" picks are Parcells. For the MILIONTH TIME, which is it?

IMO, a GM can only be THOROUGHLY GRADED by the job he does AS A WHOLE. Anyone has any lack of comprehension on what "AS A WHOLE means?

Didn't think so, now even you who dispute can now understand why IRELAND grades out a "D" at best, in the job he's done in Miami, "AS A WHOLE".

Like I have kept saying for weeks now, is Ray Farmer hired yet? Get the show on the road.

Dan Marino was the epitome of a franchise QB but never won a SB, no fault of his own. So the Matt Ryan has not done anything arguments are plain stupid.
Craig M, you are the worst kind of fan. You are a football idiot, continually insult posters on here, and have zero class.
I rememember you lambasting posters here who criticized the Jordan pick way back in April. You thought he'd be the 2nd coming of Jason Taylor. Are you going to apologize to every one now for your classless behavior?
BTW, when Jake Long was picked way back in 2008 I said Ryan should have been picked way back then. Alot of Phin fans did. I guess you were too stupid to realize it.
MIT keeps saying take the BPA in the draft. Only a complete football idiot would think Jake Long was the BPA over Ryan.

Dusty and Mass D

here is another point to consider. Ryan isnt even the best QB in his draft class. Seems a guy named flacco has won a title. Why not bang the drum for him. When Ryan was being talked about for that draft. Scout and football guys alike all said Ryan was not a clear cut first overall pick. Just happens the fins saw more value in Long over Ryan. I'd say that Long has accomplished more at his position than Ryan has at his

Posted by: Marco | January 23, 2014 at 12:04 PM

but marco
78 said so
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lol

Posted by: 2 watt | January 23, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Sorry, I'm sure I was wrong and you're much more accomplished than an NFL football coach. That has to be the reason you are able to spend countless hours with strangers in a blog.

Mass D

Comparing Marino to Ryan is downright nuts. Marino is arguably the greatest QB of all time. He got his team to a title game and holds or held every great record a QB can have. He wasnt a franchise QB from day one. He had to win the job and go from there. His accomplishments such as his record breaking season in 1984 made him a franchise guy.

Your right. Matty ice played in the NFC title game last year so that was something, but he also pissed away a huge lead at home and got beat by the niners.

He was drafted as a 4-3 DT that we planned to turn to a 3-4DE. He is a 4 year DT at Penn St. That's it, that's all.

Posted by: Dashi | January 23, 2014 at 01:22 PM


you said "Flacco won a Superbowl so their Fukked"?? that's the dumbest argument I ever heard for not wanting to keep someone, hahaha.

Miami spent the #1 overall pick on Long in that same draft, he was always hurt and now he's gone. It's like trying to reason with a monkey,

lmao I'm out again but I can't get over how unbelievably stupid you are. You're making fun of Sherman because he doesn't have a job. THE DUDE IS A GRANDPA. He has accomplished so much more than you will ever hope to but don't let that stop you from acting like you're better than him. lol you're so pathetic

it's a good thing there are no more GM jobs available. otherwise we would get stuck with hiring the janitor.

Sam, as far as the rest of ur post, i said the exact smae thing today. 2010 was the worst - and his last two may have been his best but the problem was that it took him 4 tries to fnally start to get it right and the cows left the barn by then.

During Ireland's tenure we've had PR nightmares, personnel nightmares, draft and fa nightmares.

As for the good he's done, grading that alone I give him a C, for solid. He's hit nothing totally out of the park even with this. Even "a solid gm", at times needs to "once in a while" be spectacular. Ireland's "NEVER" been that.

However, when Ireland went wrong, he managed to totally hit those out of the park. I'm sure there isn't "a sane" poster here that could disagree with that.


He was drafted as a 4-3 DT that we planned to turn to a 3-4DE. He is a 4 year DT at Penn St. That's it, that's all.

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | January 23, 2014 at 01:48 PM


Thank you sir. Finally you admit to even yourself, spending a 1st rd pick on "a project" is pretty misplaced. Even if if you didn't know you just did so. :)

Pats Mid Rd Picks wasted on CBs and WRs that became bust Since 2005. The last time the Pats won a title. (Belichick won with Parcells Roster, he hasn't won one with a roster completely made up of his players)

2005

Rd 3 pick 84- CB- E.Hobbs

2006

Rd 2 pick 36- WR- C.Jackson

2007

Rd 1 pick 24- FS- B.Meriwether

2008

Rd 2 pick 62- CB- T.Wheatley

2009

Rd 2 pick 34- SS- P.Chung

Rd 2 pick 41- CB- D.Butler

Rd 3 pick 83- WR- B.Tate (M.Wallace was the pick right after)

2010

Rd 3 pick 90- WR- T.Price

2011

Rd 2 pick 33-CB- R.Dowling

2012

Rd 2 pick 48- FS- T.Wilson

2013

Still to early but history doesn't look like it favors the Pats.

Ireland isn't the only one that killed the 2nd and 3rd round.

Dashi,


You need to clarify to these nimrods that B.Tate isn't Ben Tate. You know how people do! LMAO

MassD,

Call me a 'football idiot' all you want but i'm not the clown on here ranting about Jake Long being a 'D' pick. And you keep going on about 'only a football idiot would pick Long over Ryan'. Last I checked Parcells is on his way to the Hall of Fame. Have you accomplished in life?...EXACTLY.

And you want me to apologize to others for my comments whenJordan was drafting? For what? Unlike you I don't make a decision on someone after his rookie season where he hardly played. You're probably the same Douche that pissed at this organization for not drafting JPP after two seasons in the league.

I'm 'classless'? Couldn't care less what you think of me. I'm not on here to score points with ypu or anybody else. Like i said, 'you're the worst kind of fan'.....always on here crying 'woa is us'. AFTER the fact.

Posted by: Phins78 | January 23, 2014 at 01:50 PM

The holier than holy Judgement day Judge has spoken so it must be true, He points at another, the sliver in their eye, while he hast a log in his. The Dic has spoken

So just because there might have been one better player picked behind him means that player was a bad pick?

Come on dude, who you expect teh GM to be, Nostradamus? I wish we would've picked Ryan but Long produced and was very worthy of being first overall and was a good draft pick and player.

So everyone picked for Brady in his draft was no better than a D, right? Come on man, you see how flawed that logic is...

*after Brady...

LOL......Dont ever start arguments with Craig M. You will never win. Thats why I dont fukks wit em!

Craig dont take no bullsheet from mediocre posters!

I never called him a project - man Daytona, where do you get this stuff?

90% of 3-4 DEs were 4-3 DTs in college, the transition is not considered that difficult. Where did I ever use the word project?

No one is interviewing Irescum LOL

MIT

Point well taken. However, after they sign the free agents that are on the current roster, the keepers, and sign, say Albert and Byrd, that leaves money for the draft choices and not much else unless they restructure several contracts. So with that in mind, and the mighty holes that Ireland had so brilliantly left this team, the 'BPA that fits a need' is almost a must! If the Dolphins enter next season with something resembling this years OL, then heads will roll. Or Ross will probably think about firing another coordinator.

And Shelby, he's only a DE in the 4-3. He doesn't even qualify to be DE in the 3-4. So using him at tackle just doesn't work!

I'm only using the thoughts of others in the NFL that say a team is built from the inside out. Meaning that the OL and the front 4 (7) on defense are your first priorities. I've heard it way to often to dismiss this logic and were there to see what happened to this team last year. Reinforcing their opinions.

PS-I forgot to mention a RB (even if we sign one in FA) we still need another. Miller is a third down back that is severely limited to catching the odd third down pass. Leaving him in to block is certainly amusing but winning games seems a bit more important.

Sam i am

When assessing Irelands body of work i look at three areas. Trades. the draft and free agency. I'd say he failed in two of those areas overall, that being the draft and free agency.

Wheeler and Ellerbe are nightmares for this teams and we are stuck with them for atleast another year or two. Clabo and Columbo had no business on the oline. Clabo was better at seasons end but by then the damage was done.

As far as the draft. I give him credit for Long, Clay and Tannehill. Matthews looks like a solid keeper and i will even say guys like smith and vontae are solid players but didnt fit longterm in miami's plans. But look at all the misses in the draft. Clyde gates. Patrick Turner, pat white, chad henne, Dallas thomas, michael Egnew to name some with many more over the years. Not enough impact guys imo.

With trades. I give him an even grade. He got Mckinnie to save the season for a 7th. Great trade. He traded 2 seconds for marshall and then moved him for two thirds. Bad trade. he trades vontae for a second. Great trade. Moves up to third overall for a second. solid value but a bad deal considering we could have had albert for that second rd pick. Trades down in rd 1 to get odrick and later misi. great trade. So hes 50/50 in that department.

Bottom line is he failed in 2 of 3 areas where a GM has to make his living to be successful

If Flacco wouldn't have won the Superbowl the Ravens wouldve paid him what he is worth and probably would be been looking for a young replacement.

The Ravens won the Superbowl. Flacco gets the credit.

Flacco is T.Dilfer 2.0. Actually Dilfer had smarts.

We all saw how the Ravens look like with Flacco leading them this Season. Flacco has the personality of a Rock.

Clearly, Ryan was the much better pick than Long. Its not even close.


Still to early but history doesn't look like it favors the Pats.

Ireland isn't the only one that killed the 2nd and 3rd round.

Posted by: Dashi | January 23, 2014 at 01:55 PM

Anything Pats related is a "FUTILE COMPARISON". Obviously they do something much better than the Dolphins. They are yearly players in SB an AFC Championship games.

We've had an entire decade to close the gap between us and the Pats. Yet "NEVER" seem to get the job done. Lone exception, of when Brady was hurt. We beat them once that year, winning the Afc East. However, that 2nd game w played, they handled us pretty easily.

We did sneak the "wildcat" past them for that first win against them in 2008. Bellichik was up to speed on th "WC" that 2nd game.

Im sick of seeing comparisons of easily the most winningest franchise of the decade to one of the losingest, which is us.

The Pats Dynasty is the longest dynasty in NFL history.

I do hope Flacco fails because I hate the Ravens. But I'm sure anyone posting here would gladly give up a 1st round pick to win a Superbowl. Even if it's just ONE. I know I would

The Browns were dominant far longer than the Patriots and won far more titles (AAFC and NFL) as well.

LOL @ Dashi......

How do you you really feel about Flacco?....lol

The Browns were dominant far longer than the Patriots and won far more titles (AAFC and NFL) as well.
Posted by: history didn't begin in 2000 | January 23, 2014 at 02:10 PM

Wrong.


Bottom line is he failed in 2 of 3 areas where a GM has to make his living to be successful

Posted by: dolfan29 | January 23, 2014 at 02:04 PM

Pretty much exactly why he's gone. He only got about 33% of his job done. In the "REAL WORLD" we would all be fired for doing only 33% of our jobs too.

The only miracle is, and brighter NFL minds than ours have even said so, "how the hell did Ireland last as long as he did? He was beginning to be compared to "Matt Millen" in this aspect by brighter football minds than ours.

That's why I don't listen to some of the crap here. It's just unsubstantiated crap and evidenced only to fit thwarted opinions.

We're stuck with sacman THill. At least Flacco can score in the 4th quarter. It's hard to come back from behind if you don't score in the 4th quarter. But I digress

Sam I Am...

I so enjoyed our tea and cranberry scones this morning on the veranda. It is wonderful to be here in romantic Budapest with you. I eagerly look forward to the concert tonight!!

Dashe, tell us again how Chad Henne is our franchise QB haha

Dolfan29

I was under the impression that McKinnie's 'conditional' draft position was tied to his playing time. Because he played every down after coming over I suspected that we lost a sixth. Someone, rather right or wrong, posted that we gave up a 5th. I'm going to look it up now. I will say that if it's a 5th the brilliance of Ireland is continuing to be tarnished. Let me check!

Posted by: Just Sayin | January 23, 2014 at 02:08 PM

I think if you say "Post Free Agency" no body could possible argue with that statement


Wrong.

Posted by: Just Sayin | January 23, 2014 at 02:12 PM

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The Browns have nine championships.

Argument over.

Joe Flacco is a top young QB and may already be a HOFer. He has already won more road playoff games than any QB in NFL history!!

signal

i thought all along it was a 7th. I may be wrong on this but if it was a 5th due to playing time then id say that falls under the bad trades section of ireland's stay with the fins.

Posted by: Phins78 | January 23, 2014 at 01:50 PM

The holier than holy Judgement day Judge has spoken so it must be true, He points at another, the sliver in their eye, while he hast a log in his. The Dic has spoken

Posted by: Phins78 is a dic | January 23, 2014 at 01:57 PM


LMFAO

Since the arrival of current head coach Bill Belichick in 2000, the Patriots have became the most successful team in NFL history. They are third in appearances in a Super Bowl with seven (the Pittsburgh Steelers and Dallas Cowboys each have 8), and have the most appearances in the last 25 years. They have won all but two AFC East titles since 2001, and have not had a losing season since 2000. Between 2001–2010, the Patriots set a record for most wins in a decade (121, different from conventionally bounded decades, 2000–2009, 1990–1999, etc.; this record references any ten-year stretch; 2nd is the 1984–1993 San Francisco 49ers, with 120 wins); they broke their own record in 2011 (2002–2011 – 123 wins), and again in 2012 (2003–2012 – 126 wins – nearly 13 regular season wins per season). Between 2001 and 2005, the Patriots became the second team in NFL history (after the Dallas Cowboys) to win three Super Bowls in four years (Super Bowl XXXVI, XXXVIII, and XXXIX), and the eighth (and most recent) to win consecutive Super Bowls. During Belichick's tenure with the team along with quarterback Tom Brady, the Patriots have also compiled the longest winning streak consisting of regular season and playoff games in NFL history, a 21-game streak from October 2003 – October 2004.

Just Sayin,


Waiting for your point?

signal, wrong, that have $19.8M free cap space next year but $17.4M rolled over for a combined $37M available cap space. personally I would tell Moore to hit the road and save another $4m.

Regardless, somewhere close to $40M avaialble. Consider that each of the signees this year had a cap space of Wallace $3.3M, Wheeler $2.4M, Ellerbe $2.4M, etc. You can sign 4-5 long big name contracts and have it count only about $15M or so to the cap in 2014. You have a tonne of spac to sign a multitude of high priced free agents, sign your draftees, and use your drft on BPA.

The only thing that is holding this up is whether the owner wants to sign the big signing bonus cheques and whether the Gm wants to stick his neck out.

But just speaking conceivably, you can do it.

Just Sayin,

Now do the Dolphins!!

Mass Dolphan...Super F. Like that grade for Martin although I think you are too kind.

Diety and others...Just to clear something up. Because we speak of Bilichek in high regard does not make me and others NE fans. I am a Fin fan and have been for decades. That said, as fan of the game writ large, I just don't like meritless arguements over whether or not a person is called a bad evaluator of talent via draft or otherwise when his team contends for a title every year and he is the one who picks the players.

And finally for all bloggers hereon...is it just me, or is Philbin also the Governor of Florida?

MIT,


Preach on brother..Time for Moore to go!! I will save that 4 mill and draft a QB. I wonder how far Taj Boyd will drop. I would take him in 5th or 6th, might even consider Stephen Morris

Joe Flacco is a HOFer? Wow, who let the Ravens fan in?

Posted by: Just Sayin | January 23, 2014 at 02:26 PM


Thanks! Hopefully Dashi or any poster here now sees how UTTERLY FOOLISH it is to compare anything Pats have done in the Bellichik era to what we have done. Even their bad.

If anything the Pats have done in the Bellichik is era is bad. Certainly it hasn't been nearly enough to close the Gran Canyon like cavern that exists between us and them. Neither have our goods been good enough to accomplish this.

As dolfans, these are the only "Bellichik-Truths" we need fastly consider. The rest are only under the heading of, "MOOT" or "MEANINGLESS". At least as far as the Mimi Dolphins are concerned anyway.

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