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Dolphins leading GM candidate: Ray Farmer

Whenever an NFL team begins a coach or general manager search the term "leading candidate" invariably gets thrown around by insiders and the media. And often times the "leading candidate" doesn't land the job because the interview process can change the dynamics.

But sometimes the leading candidate is really the only candidate. Consider Miami's hiring of Jimmy Johnson and even Tony Sparano as coaches years ago. Consider Washington's hiring of Jay Gruden on Thursday.

Saying that, consider the name multiple sources are now telling The Herald is the Dolphins leading candidate to take the Dolphins GM job: Cleveland Browns assistant general manager Ray Farmer.

Remember the name.

Farmer has emerged as the search began Friday for two reasons:

He truly is a strong candidate with a strong background. Secondly, former Kansas City Chiefs President Carl Peterson has joined the Dolphins search and is Stephen Ross's chief advisor in the process. Peterson is a 30-year friend and confidant to Stephen Ross. And Peterson loves Farmer.

Morever, Peterson is supremely confident in his ability to identify and hire prospective NFL general managers.

Four current or former NFL team general managers built their resumes as members of the Chiefs' front office under Peterson: Atlanta's Tom Dimitroff, Tampa Bay's Mark Dominik, Miami's Jeff Ireland, and Seattle's John Schneider. They obviously did not all succeed but, as Bill Parcels said, talent evaluation is not an exact science. National Football Scouting President Jeff Foster also was a Chiefs scout under Peterson.

And Ray Farmer was hired by Peterson in Kansas City in 2006 and worked there until 2012 as the director of pro personnel. It is interesting (and impressive) that even though Farmer was a Peterson hire, he was retained by new general manager Scott Pioli when he took over in KC in 2008.

Browns CEO Joe Banner described Farmer as “one of the up-and-coming stars in the NFL,” last September.

Farmer, 39, has a sociology degree from Duke. He's a former fourth-round draft pick of the Philadelphia Eagles. His career as an NFL linebacker ended after three years when he suffered a knee injury.

Farmer served as an academic coordinator and recruiter at Duke from 1998-2001, then was hired as a scout by the Atlanta Falcons before joining Peterson and the Chiefs. He joined the Browns in 2013 under general manager Mike Lombardi.

 "I’ll be surprised if Ray’s not a GM in the next few years, which will be good and bad news for us," Browns owner Jimmy Haslem said during the 2013 NFL owner's meetings, according to the Akron Beacon Journal.

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From last blog,

Dubs,

I like The Mason. He is a good RB. I just want to see how he looks after the process. What I like about him the most is that he has never been seriously hurt.

I like L.Miller. I feel has a chance to be dynamic. Specially with The OCs that keep floating around. Kubiak and Shanahan Jr. He fits those scheme perfectly. Plus he is from the U. L.Miller and O.Vernon are 2 guys I am definitely rooting for. Born and raised in Miami and get to play for the Dolphins.

But

I was the one last season saying Draft E.Lacy #12 he was the Best Offensive Prospect in that draft. So even though I love L.Miller I know that in the NFL you need more than 1 RB. And the Dolphins really only have 1 RB.

Now here is some food for thought. Hire Kubiak and Sign B.Tate. Pair Tate and L.Miller up. Running game solved.

Posted by: Dashi | January 10, 2014 at 11:36 AM

Dashi,


Does Lacy's durability concern you? That is why he slipped in the draft and missed alot of time this year? Do you think he can start all 16 games, with his tough running style

I hate this team!!!

Why can't Ross stay away, and simply make one hire who is in charge of this circus. Ross is by far not a football man, he cannot have all these people report to him, its dysfunctional!!!!!!

Ross.........PLEASE....Hire one football man, and stay away!!!!!!!

Does Farmer make your toes tingle? Anyone.

I also see a trend in the type of OC the Fins and Philbin want. A WCO with zoneblocking. I believe they will run the same offense the play calling will be the only thing different.

I'm leaning towards Young Shanny though. He could incorporate some of the spread-option he used in Washington.

So will the same buttheads who are complaining that we have a high ranking woman in our organization complain we might have a black GM?

Only if Red McCombs owns a skybox

If we get Shan-sizzle or Kubi-Y.A.C we should all be in good spirits.


Dashi,

I was looking at upcoming FA's and there was a name that kind of got my attention Toby Gerhart. When he has an opportunity to play, he makes things happen and is big and runs with power

Anyone will be a huge improvement over Ireland.
GO PHINS!

I would like to redact my Kyle Shanahan nickname and change it to Shan-da-man. I could do this all day!

Didn't Peterson love Ireland too?????

Didn't Peterson love Ireland too?????
Posted by: XpensiveWino | January 10, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Probably

Should be JoeDawn, NOT DawnJoe. A play on words like Joe Don or Billy Bob.

Why would you hire someone from a Franchise that's been unsuccessful, and bad at drafting? Aka Browns
Why would anyone take Banner's advice, fans are trying to run this cheater out of Ohio.


Didn't Peterson love Ireland too?????

Posted by: XpensiveWino | January 10, 2014 at 11:53 AM

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Ireland was universally considered a young, rising star in NFL circles back then. Jerry Jones tried to keep him in Dallas, in fact.

In no way should you read that as support of him or a suggestion he should have stayed. I am simply pointing out that hindsight is a luxury we have but if you go back a few years Ireland WAS that "rising star" type that teams covet.

I think we sometimes get convenient amnesia about things like that.

Why would you hire someone from a Franchise that's been unsuccessful, and bad at drafting? Aka Browns

Posted by: Matt | January 10, 2014 at 11:55 AM

Maybe successful guys wont join the Ross circus.

Farmer may be a helluva GM but coming from Cleveland just doesn't inspire much confidence.

Matt,


If he was the one who helped decide to ship T Ricardson for a first Round pick. I am good with that. Plus he wasnt part of the draft in 2012!

Dubs,

That is always why I said he needs another back behind him. Ricky wasn't durable either early in his career. I wanted Thunder and Lightning. Lacy and Miller.

But Yeah that Toe Injury does concern me. Because even though Lacy runs hard his best attribute is his agility. The reason I compared Lacy to Ricky. For a guy that strong and big he has some of the most nimble feet you will see on a RB. His spin move is one of the cleanest I've seen. Lacy isn't Fast he is quick. Watch him cut, he explodes out the cut.

I have only seen 3 RBs ever do this, Hurdle one guy and run over another guy while you are still in the air. Jim Brown, Ricky, and E.Lacy. Ricky broke the guys collarbone in Mid-Air. But still to be able to do that in one motion and keep running is a feat of strength that few men can accomplish.

Like you said only certain RBs can give you that little feeling inside. For me it was Barry, Ricky, and Now E.Lacy.

I've seen E.Lacy do things at Alabama that if he is healthy and does them in the NFL he would be easily one of the Top 5 backs in the NFL.

People have to remember E.Lacy as a Freshman averaged 1 yard more per carry than M.Ingram and T.Richardson. Then Man averaged about 7 ypc and we all know Lacy isn't going to break any 50 yd runs. I can go on and on about Lacy. But I won't.

Its funny though cause I can clearly remember someone here who constantly ragged Dashi that Lacy isn't even better than M.Gillislee.

Dashi,


I gotta say, seeing Mark Ingram run against Philly was eye opening. If he played like that all the time, he could live up to his hype. I guess I should say, the hype he had coming out of college

Do you guys even READ anything before commenting?

Farmer was with the Browns for a grand total of ONE season.

I have no clue if he will make an excellent GM (and the fact of the matter is neither do any of YOU) but can we at least try to get the facts straight?

I know that's a huge request on this blog.


If he was the one who helped decide to ship T Ricardson for a first Round pick. I am good with that. Plus he wasnt part of the draft in 2012!

Posted by: Rdubs | January 10, 2014 at 11:59 AM

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No kidding! That deal was Grand Larceny!

I like Farmer he would be a good hire.

Also, you have to love my boys C.Peterson Credentials. Falcons, Seahawks, Buds and Jeff Ireland are all pretty good GMs. And the media wants the fins to hire one of their assistants.

Also, if Farmer was involved in any way trading T.Richardson for a 1st rd pick. He is automatically the guy. Picture what he would've got for B.Marshall.

The Guy played Football, went to Duke, and has been working in the front office for more than a Decade. Plus, he is only 39. Meaning his ideas are fresher than most.

Hey maybe this young pup Farmer is just what the doctor ordered.

Honestly does any fan know if a GM is a good choice or a bad choice?? NO. These are guys that work in the shadows of the NFL personnel departments and only have their names stuck to draft picks when they are GM's. No one really knows outside of people that he has worked with if he is a good choice or a bad choice. Remember when Ireland was hired and endorsed by Parcells you heard the same thing about him, great talent evaluator, hard worker, etc, etc and look where that got us. So really I, and none of you, have any idea if Farmer is the right choice or the wrong choice.


So will the same buttheads who are complaining that we have a high ranking woman in our organization complain we might have a black GM?

Posted by: Rdubs | January 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM

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Yes, they will.

Some of these dim bulbs have already made it abundantly clear they are frightened little men who are fearful of women who are more powerful, intelligent and accomplished than they are so it stands to reason many of the same probably harbor equally moronic views about race.

If he was the one who helped decide to ship T Ricardson for a first Round pick. I am good with that. Plus he wasnt part of the draft in 2012!

Posted by: Rdubs | January 10, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Taking advantage of the Colts in a trade is no ringing endorsement as Ireland stuck them with Vontee Davis for a 2nd round pick a few years ago.

Dubs,

I like Gerhardt. And he also proves my point that you need more than 1 RB on your team. Just like B.Tate does. AP and A.Foster went down those teams could still run the ball because they have more than 1 RB.

I wonder why no team has turned Gerhardt into a FB and use him like Alstott. Pair him up with a fast RB.

...On Ben Tate...I would say buyer beware. The guy is always hurt. So even if you think we can get him "cheap" or my favorite "take a flier". It doesn't help this team if we do not further strengthen the position. How can we possibly count on the guy to play 8-10 games let alone 16. So. In the scenario of a Miller-Tate backfield. We are stuck again with Lamar Miller. A back that has all the talent. But who just layed an egg last year.

We do still have Gillislee, who was pretty much redshirted. He like miller should have an opportunity to prove they are better then what we saw last year.

But as far as Tate goes. I would say he is more of a liability then he is a solution.


So really I, and none of you, have any idea if Farmer is the right choice or the wrong choice.

Posted by: Sam | January 10, 2014 at 12:12 PM

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You, sir, are that rarest of posters here. An HONEST one.

Some here are loathe to admit it in their desperate attempt to sound "informed" but the fact of the matter is that NOBODY here is even remotely qualified to assess how any of these candidates would do in the role.

It's comical how hard that is to admit for some people. Kudos to you.

Check out the Dolphins Truth poll about who should be our next GM and OC. Not that our votes count, but it's fun ! http://www.DolphinsTruth.com

F.A.M.

Yes, but he was with the Browns for the only year that they didn't suck making personnel moves. Before that he was with Peterson & Pioli stacking up that roster. Or you believe that was all A.Reid's doing. Pioli couldn't find a coach worth his weight. Apparently A.Reid is.

Peterson is setting his boy up for success. Ireland already did all the dirty work. This roster is primed for future success. The guy doesn't have to come in and fix the cap. The Fins have all their picks. He doesn't need to draft a QB in a weak QB draft.

All he needs to do is fix the O-line and this is a playoff caliber team. And he was with the Chiefs and the Browns. 2 teams that don't have horrendous O-line.

Facts,

If it's facts you want then may I suggest an encyclopedia. This is a blog. Although you are 100% correct that nobody knows how any new hire will perform, it should be ok for people to offer up an opinion. No matter how informed or uninformed they are.

Farmer was a key part in drafting: Eric Berry, Jamaal Charles, Justin Houston, Tamba Hali, Brandon Flowers, Derrick Johnson, Dexter McCluster, and Dwayne Bowe. All Pro Bowl caliber players drafted during his time in KC.

Can I get some Kool-Aid with that Farmer?

Everyone has to start somewhere...even the greatest GM's had their first day as a new GM somewhere before going on to do great things.

I have to defer to the people who know best and if Farmer is considered an up and coming GM, who are we to argue against that?

...Facts..@12:16.Good post. My issue is that neither is Steve Ross.

Sam is correct. None of us ever heard of Farmer, so no one knows.
Plus, I'm not convinced that Ireland was as evil as everyone thinks. Remember, it was Joe Philbin --not Ireland-- who decided to get rid of Jake Long because Jonathan Martin was a future all-pro and a loyal left tackle for years to come.


I'm leaning towards Young Shanny though. He could incorporate some of the spread-option he used in Washington.

Posted by: Dashi | January 10, 2014 at 11:45 AM

When you thik of the WCO you of course think of Bill Walsh as it's architect but it was his Assistants who evolved under the system who took it to the next level adding other dimsensions to it. You look at what both Holgrem and Mike Shanahan did with the WCO and you see were it's more modern day evolution began spreading the field, the deep reads ect...

But every WC H.C. has added his own wrinkles to it Shanahan Sr. took he zone blocking scheme incorporating the one-cut RB while under Holgrem in G.B. it was all about the designed screen were NOBODY pulled their OL better while getting FB William Henderson out in front of Dorsey Levens in a play you knew was coming no less than 5 times a game yet it always went for big yardage.

It seems our Coaches in phylosophy agree with the Shanahan brand while others like Sean Peyton are more about the Holgrem staples of the O. It should be noted (in part because of our BAD OL) that both incorporate the T.E. alot in the middle of the field working underneath a spread formation or breaking deep if the coverage (Safety cheating up) dictates.

Few make better use than Kyle Shanahan who I thought was doing wonders with Reed and wonder if he can take our pass catching T.E. in Egnew making him a better route runner. I just feel he's the more natural of the fits on O but is prone to displaying his personality which I happen to like but Philbin sees as a threat of some kind by anybody (probably because he has such a weak personality of his own!)

jpao,

That's a mighty impressive list.

Was Farmer involved in the Brandon Weeden draft?

The NFL is a nepotistic league,just because someone is related to another successful NFL coach everyone is wowed by his relatives reputation.I am not a betting man but would wager that the relative of the accomplished relative never even comes close to his family member in the same endeavor.He is not an athelete with physical talent he is another from a family that suceeded as a coach in the NFL.DNA dosent influence humans enough that if your brother was a great NFL coach you will be also.
More likely what you get is a person that has learned from his sibling and will rehash the same old tired schemes.
Looking at this from the perspective of the relative that has a famous sibling is great.The job of NFL coaches is a great family business because once you get experience at this level you have great job prospects on any of the limited number of franchises,and it dosent hurt to have a famous brother.BTW their are a limited number of coaching jobs in the limited number of franchises and like I wrote the NFL recycles coaches from one franchise to the next.
Someone like Farmer has to make a name for himself he dosent have any help from relatives.

DD,

You think L.Miller in a Shanny Jr Offense or a Kubiak Offense won't succeed?

He fits perfect in that system. I would love to see him be a feature back in that system.

Agreed. I would only take Tate on a 1-2 yr deal cause of injury. But I feel he is so young that a team will offer him a 4-5 year deal. We have bigger priorites in Free Agency.

Actually if the Texans were smart they would trade A.Foster and resign Tate.

Was Farmer involved in the Brandon Weeden draft?

Posted by: 58-Sacks | January 10, 2014 at 12:27 PM

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No.

Again, folks, please READ the blog entry. Farmer was with the Browns for ONE season (last year). That's it.

Thanks, Facts.


it should be ok for people to offer up an opinion. No matter how informed or uninformed they are.

Posted by: finfan71 | January 10, 2014 at 12:24 PM
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Where did I ever say people shouldn't offer their opinion??

What I am SAYING is that absolutely nobody here has the qualification to make any kind of definitive assessment about ANY of these candidates and how they will perform.

Those really are two different things.

"Ray Farmer, who is finishing up his first season as assistant GM to the Browns, served as the Kansas City Chiefs Director of Pro Personnel for seven seasons. The 2013 Browns finished with a 4-12 record, and fired head coach Rod Chudzinski after just one season. During his seven seasons in Kansas City's front office the Chiefs produced a 38-74 record."

Pretty much stating the obvious there. Of course none of us are qualified. I did kick arse in a fantasy league once and I did stay in Holiday Inn Express :)

hola Dashi..how are you bro?..

gent's, we need to fix our O Line first, do that and every RB will look good.

What happened to you don't change your name F.A.M?

FZB,

Like Joe Rose said this morning, 4/5ths of our OL needs to be upgraded.

Everyone has to start somewhere...even the greatest GM's had their first day as a new GM somewhere before going on to do great things.

I have to defer to the people who know best and if Farmer is considered an up and coming GM, who are we to argue against that?

Posted by: NHFINSFAN | January 10, 2014 at 12:25 PM

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Absolutely, NH.

I see much the same mentality when it comes to hiring an OC---with some fans "demanding" the team hire an experienced one.

Well, that's all fine and good but where on Earth do people think these guys come from? The magical Offensive Coordinator Tree?

They ALL got their start lower down the coaching ladder until finally PROMOTED to that position because of the good work they were doing.

Sure, maybe the Dolphins brink in a guy like Kubiak because he's 'been there/done that' but you can also be assured there's some young, untested guy out there who will eventually rise to only be a great coordinator but also a top Head Coach. FINDING that guy is the problem, but to dismiss guys who have never done the job as OC out of hand is ludicrous.

...Dashi..I think almost any back can succeed in a Shanny-Kubiak offense. (they are really one in the same as far as the run scheme)..

Look at the Redskin line..They were brutal in pass protection the last 2 years. But..They could run the ball..The issue with Shanny(young Padawan) He still insisted on throwing it even when Morris was ripping it up. The Skins would be killing it on the ground.. Second half...2-3 runs. It must have been infuriating for Skin fans..I don't trust him. I would prefer Kubiak.

But back to your question...I am not saying Miller is defined. I'm saying last year he was not very good(for whatever reasons). I think he can be a dynamic back, a part of a whole. I do not think he is ready to be a feature back. I think you agree we need another RB to compliment Miller.

My biggest issue with Miller. And it is something I hope he can get better at. He is a charmin soft runner. He must get better at yards after contact. If he can't. I don't care how good your line is. You aren't always going to have clear lanes to run. Sometimes you have to be able to break a tackle. Miller did not show that at all last year..

What's good FZB.

You know Dashi is in Mourning Ireland is gone.

What happened to you don't change your name F.A.M?

Posted by: Stop Lying | January 10, 2014 at 12:39 PM
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Can you translate that into English?

Farmer appears to be a solid candidate worthy of the opprotunity.

My #1 contender isn't available anyway.

Anything is better than Khan - his drafts recently have been horrible and that Pitt roster is starting to resemble the one we had here under Wannstedt's last years - old and with little or no reinforcements on the way.

Although I did like their 3rd pick in WR Markus Wheaton of Oregon State this year - he's got a chance.

The Chiefs had a heck of a turn around after Farmer left. I'm sure that's just coincidence, though.

Matt,

Farmer joined the browns last year and FYI they are a QB away from winning the North.

Dashi, u mentioned on the last blog the possibility of Kubiak coming then bringing Ben Tate with him. I've been hoping for that possibility myself and put it down here. I think it's a great idea/opportunity.

I think a young Gm will be so grateful in having someone like Dawn Aponte to handle all the little things.The GM will be able to focus all his time on scouting, drafting, trading, bringing in FA's and doesnt have to worry about anything else(You know what I mean) and knowing the person who is doing all the other things, is doing a great job.

You women haters even have to acknowledge the great job she has done with the cap.

I just dont see how she is a negative at all

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