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News and opinion on Jonathan Martin interview

First the news, although in this case there is precious little: In his interview with NBC, Dolphins offensive tackle Jonathan Martin claims when he became uncomfortable with what appears to be verbal abuse he told coaches "above me" of his discomfort but "didn't get into specifics because you're not supposed to quote unquote snitch on your teammates."

That suggests Martin told Dolphins offensive line Jim Turner of something going on but obviously was not specific.

Martin also confirmed he never talked to head coach Joe Philbin about his issue, which has been reported here multiple times and Philbin has claimed throughout.

"There was persistent comments of a racial nature, aggressive sexual comments related to my sister and my mother,'' Martin told Dungy in the interview, portions of which aired on NBC's TODAY Wednesday morning. "I’ve spoken to my former teammates in other locker rooms across the NFL and I asked them, does this stuff go on? Is this normal rooking hazing? The consensus was, this is not normal."

Martin claimed he had no issues with pranks (perhaps because he participated in those and pulled them on other teammates also) but said the verbal abuse was "personal."

 "I have no problem with the normal hazing that you see in the NFL," Martin said. "'Get a haircut,' stuff like that, little pranks. The personal attacking nature, I don’t think there’s any place for that."

That's it. That's the news. The full interview with NBC's Tony Dungy will be aired on NBC Network's PFT at 6:30 Wednesday.

Now my opinion ...

At the risk of sounding unsympathetic, Jon Martin, your weak act is officially old. Go away. Just do what you did best as an offensive lineman on the field and back away. Just do what you did when you left your teammates unexpectedly during the season and simply disappear.

Every single step taken by you in this saga feels manufactured and authored by a lawyer as a step toward a suit. And that makes sense because you definitely have gotten excellent legal advice from your family and the lawyer you added to represent you in this matter. And I, for one, would be surprised if your legal team isn't preparing a suit.

The dramatic throwing down of your lunch tray and departure? No other teammate did that when you were among the players standing up and leaving them alone at a lunch table. So the fact you chose that harmless act to make your departure statement seems contrived now.

Seeking medical help? Please tell us where exactly? Please provide the details of what you were treated for? Because it seems you had some issues you're not eager to share. Furthermore, my understanding of classic ambulance chaser strategy is he or she demands you get "medical treatment" so your coming lawsuit can show damage, thus giving the legal action more bite. Give details, please.

The well-timed and slow leaks of allegations of wrong-doing, all of them done anonymously by your camp? Classic. They slimed the parties you intended be slimed and it was done with plausible deniability that you had nothing to do with it. It's brilliant, actually, using a media hungry for a story to feed the narrative of Martin as victim. You did it through the national media, of course, because you wanted to get your "story" out to as many as possible as quickly as possible. But you also wanted to use that vehicle because the national media wasn't going to question your motives. The national media wasn't going to form an opinion that is politically incorrect. And the national media wasn't in the locker room the week before you left when you were stewing and clearly unhappy about getting moved from left tackle to right tackle -- which in hindsight seems like another reason you left the team.

And now this NBC interview? Timed, coincidentally of course, during Super Bowl week. It is the NFL's biggest attention grabbing week of the year. And so that's the week you pick to go public with your first interview. Because that's the week it will get noticed most.

Well, this interview so far, is a dud, big guy.

The most hurtful thing you can point to as reprehensible behavior by the Dolphins is verbal abuse. So where's the "physical attack" your lawyer claimed happened? Why not give details to that? Where's the evidence of code reds?

You mean to tell me the full extent of the "bullying" your camp has alleged comes down to a pattern of mean texts sent and mean and unfeeling insults uttered by your teammates about your race or your mom or your sister?

Are you 11 years old?

You went to Stanford. You know how to communicate. Why didn't you take your tormentors aside and tell them in no uncertain terms the verbal abuse had to stop? Why didn't you tell your head coach, who definitely would have stopped the abuse and done so in-house so as to not embarrass you, your teammates or the organization? And failing that, why didn't you make an open show of one of the abusers in a full-on locker room takedown that would have definitely gotten everyone's attention -- including your coaches -- and screamed something had to change?

(Sorry people, but sometimes a man has to be a man and defend himself and his honor with whatever tools are available. Yes, flight is one of those tools, but that one pretty much sealed Martin's fate in Miami. He'll never play on that team again. He had to know that.)

Another thing:

Please Tony Dungy, you're a nice man and a Christian. So where is your discernment in all this, my brother? So far this interview shows no moment where you ask Martin why at the height of his frustration he didn't simply get face to face with whomever was tormenting him and do what men have done since David faced down Goliath -- they stand up for themselves.

No, NBC would probably frown upon this line of questioning because it would fly counter to the politically correct demasculinization of men in the 21st century. But if Martin's response to the abuse was always to grin and bear it, or even join in the abuse of others to be part of the group, that speaks poorly of the abusers, no doubt, but it also shows how weak Martin is in a den of Alpha males.

Dungy, by the way, is part of Dolphins owner Stephen Ross's committee that will look into establishing a code of conduct in the locker room. That the Dolphins need such a committee speaks poorly of the coaching staff because it is their job to establish that code and make it clear to players in no uncertain terms. Discpline on the field is born off the field, folks.

Dungy should be removed from this committee because he no longer seems impartial.

One more thing:

None of this gets Richie Incognito off the hook. He's a meathead. He displays all the signs of a bully -- loud, obnoxious at times, demanding attention. He will not be and should not be in any future Dolphins locker room. His abuse of Martin and perhaps others within the Dolphins organization is reprehensible. And his text messages? Who talks like that? But because he's something of a bully, he can be stopped dead in his tracks.

Early in training camp in 2013 he started calling another reporter a "nerd." One day as I'm standing in the middle of the locker room, he walks by and starts joking about me looking like I was lifting weights (which I don't) and then started speaking gibberish as if in mocking Spanish.

I asked Incognito politely, but firmly and seriously to stop. "Just stop."

He did. Never again.


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Bravo Armando!

Armando , just wow. I have no words. Shocked, I am so happy you wrote this piece. Perfect, well said, to the point. Holy crap I don't know what to say!

Jonathan Martins BS is finally aggravating everyone. The luster of the villain and hero scenario has worn off and all that's left is a bunch of very questionable motives and actions.

mando you are on a roll of fine journalism well done sir!! BRAVO just as ^^ mark in toronto says! now can we move on from this now officially?? boom.......

2Watt come to the new post please. We would like to scroll by your useless drivel some more.

Going, going....GONE!! Great job.

That was great!
We have long criticized media hypocrisy. They are looking for a story at the expense of sinking our team when everything is done for a lawsuit. Congratulations MAndo!

At the risk of sounding unsympathetic, Jon Martin, your weak act is officially old. Go away.

Wow Mando, you do sound unsympathetic. This is the most impassioned I have seen your work.

Martin is a goner as Ross slipped out, which was very foolish. His trade value dropped even lower and all the Ross could do was laugh. I think we would take a 6th or 7th for him at this stage. 49'ers or Colts may take him as he has friends in both clubs, but it would be a hard sell.

Well said Armando. This blog post should go out to the national media that supports this loser Martin.

Put the gelato down for a 2nd and tell me where I said Tannehill made hartline great... heck, tell me when I even said hartline was great... I said Hartline improved when Tannehill got there is all.. original post?

Show me these studly stats with hartline at Ohio State?
Hartline may or may not have come along but fact was he was a 4th year player when Tannehill came along - not a first or 2nd year player. it is more than just sheer co-incidence that his game hit the next level when Tannehill showed up. There is something between those two guys... it's obvious ... hartline has never had this kind of production before in 3 college years or 4 pro years before he had this qb...

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2014/01/the-prepared-messages-from-ross-hickey/comments/page/4/#comments#storylink=cpy

This is why I don't like your ricotta filled head, u putz.

I thought better of you as a journalist than to write this obvious polemic.

Resign Grimes

Sign 3 FA Linemen. (2 OT, 1 OG) OT- Saffold, Monroe, OG-Z.Beadles

Draft BPA in the first round, K.Benjamin. C.Jones in the 2nd.

T-Hill will be the QB of the Miami Dolphins for the next decade. Specially after he throws over 35 TDs next season. It is ludicrous to think Tannehill is going to fail. Unless he has a major injury!! Which I don't see happening, Tannehill will have an Exceptional Career as a Dolphin!!

The people who talk ignorance about Tannehill are scorned Matt Moore fans!! The same one who thought it was OK to keep Fiedler around.

They Saw Dan Marino play but never really Watched Dan Marino play.

R.Tannehill has all the tools. Plus, out of his draft fell into the best situation to develop his game for the first 2 years. Yes, Sherman Babied him. But only A.Luck was asked to run more of the offense from the Pocket than Tannehill. He doesn't need to learn a new playbook(RG3), or given more responsibility (Wilson). Tannehill just needs to sharpen up his decision making and accuracy with Wallace. And I believe both will greatly increase with a new and improved O-line to protect the Franchise.

Plus, Lazor will probably implement the 2.5 Second rule C.Kelly has forcing the QB to get rid of the ball quick. That and fewer and quicker progressions. What makes the C.Kelly Offense tick is the QB gets 3 reads after the snap that he has to make real quick(2.5s) if not he either has to tuck it and run or throw it away.

The Preseason will be fun to watch.

If the Fins get another QB it will be in the late rounds. And expect the guy to be big & athletic.

Hickey likes Prototype players.

Posted by: Dashi | January 29, 2014 at 12:29 PM

Don't want you homers to miss my football gold !!!

I can't believe how set up the interview was and that Tony Dungy was a part of it. It seemed like Martin and his lawyers set it up so that he wouldn't have to answer any tough questions. It's just embarrassing to watch for both Dungy and Martin.

And I wonder if any other reporters will pick up on Armando's narrative or if we're going to get sucked into another vortex of politically correct nonsense.

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | January 29, 2014 at 12:30 PM

New topic. Move on, if you can ?

Wow Armando threatened Incognito and Incognito backed down. Armando is the toughest S.O.B. at the Herald!

Yeah, nice out there, prosciutto.... exactly, all you do is twist points ...

"One day as I'm standing in the middle of the locker room, he walks by and starts joking about me looking like I was lifting weights (which I don't) and then started speaking gibberish as if in mocking Spanish."


Glad to see Martin finally getting called out for being the phony that he is!

Seth, Richie probably didn't want to dish out another $200K for slapping mando around but as it is, good for Mando for stepping up.

I thought better of you as a journalist than to write this obvious polemic.

Posted by: AW | January 29, 2014 at 12:31 PM

You thought better of him as a journalist then to dispute the national narrative? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

Nice work Mando.

You are comparable to a National Enquirer reporter.
You were a big part of this BS story and now you try to hide behind this. You are as big of a disgrace to the Dolphins and the fan base as J. Martin. Go work for the Enquirer PLEASE!!!!!!

Perhaps Harbaugh take him since he played at Stanford.

As far as Ross's slip up I didn't think it was a biggy. Everbody knows he will no longer play here.

Maybe they could have falsely implied they wanted him back to maybe generate some interest but it is what it is.

Someone will take him once he's released and may even get a steal. He will probably play hard to try to mend his reputation.

I think the bigger story is the recent revelations that Philbin wanted Brandon Albert and was denied by Ireland.

If true it pretty muchs sums up the entrire season including the bullygate mess that probably would have been avoided with the signing of Albert.

Yeah, nice out there, prosciutto.... exactly, all you do is twist points ...

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | January 29, 2014 at 12:37 PM

So you can't move on. I gave you a chance, but like most hurt little girls you want to keep the fight going on this blog, when the Martin story breaks, truly pathetic.....

OK if Thill has made Hartline great, which is of course your BS, then he has destroyed the career of Wallace then.

Thill has turned a probowl WR into a screen catching average Joe, because his QB cannot throw an accurate ball on anything close to a consistent basis.

Go away, daddy has run your bathtub and he is going to clean your lil Racist Maple Leaf.

BRAVO, mando! This is exactly the theory I have been preaching from the start. Yes, RI is a bully in a world full of natural bullies. But so what? JM and his lawyered up family used it to their advantage. This is a guy who had enough of football culture, angry about his demotion and his parents and gaggle of lawyers schemed this up to leave the game AND get paid. Mark my words, when the dust settles (and by dust I mean the NFL in court), Martin won't play another down in the NFL - because he never wanted to anyway.

Now lets see how many members in the media have the balls to even partially float any of the points Mando highlights here. Not likely. My guess is we'll hear more people like Ray - accessory to murder-turned NFL poster boy - Lewis say things on national TV like RI's actions are, quite, "unforgivable."

MIT is the Jon Martin of this blog.

Dashi you didn't mention Soliai or Starks.

MIT is the Jon Martin of this blog.
Posted by: Marco | January 29, 2014 at 12:43 PM

HEHEHEHEH. Not even close bro. That distinction is totally yours. Until "Sam" shows up, then you take the back seat beeich.

Well said Mando...

I guess men are no longer men in modern America.

Poor ole Martin..

So sad about his feelings being hurt; thats just the worst thing I could imagine is a 6'5" gladiators feeling being hurt...

Maybe some day, way in the future, decades from now he will be able to move on from this...

There will be scars from this, there is no doubt, but i'm sure his lawyers will get an ample poundage of flesh...

Excuse me...

I just puked in my mouth...

Again show me wherer I said Tannehill made Hartliine great...

And Wallace had a very similar year under under Big Ben as he did under Tannehill..


Posted by: Dolphinaddict | January 29, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Dude I give Armando a lot of s$#t but you have to keep one thing straight. Through the whole debacle Armando was the only reporter who questioned the situation. He threw up red flags when everyone else was jumping on the bully bandwagon. He may have got off track a couple of times but no one else was reporting this thing the way he was. He was fair for the most part and not one other reporter in this country can say the same thing. You're off on this one imo.

Dashi you didn't mention Soliai or Starks.

Posted by: Dollfan Rick | January 29, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Why would you want both ? That would cost us a combined $20. I would go with Odrick as the replacement to Starks. We have to many other issues and may even be going to a 3-4.


What kind of man doesn't talk shyt on his other male commrades moms and sisters?? That is SOP in mandom, right? Right.

Great post Mando.

There was a brief, very brief period where I was unable to defend Incognito and felt really bad for Jon Martin.

But as time has passed, the only thing I feel is disgust for Jon Martin and the fading hope that maybe Incognito could actually play for us again.

Jon Martin could have "stood up for himself" without throwing a single punch, yet it appears the only thing he did is orchestrate this entire scenario.

Real men handle their business professionally. Whether it's through words or tactics, Martin cannot spin this tall tale and expect anyone to believe he was literally powerless to stop it the way he claims.

I hope it was worth the career, because I can't see him ever playing in the NFL ever again.

Wow Armando, that was rough - BUT I totally agree with you for once. OK, maybe that is twice.

The funny thing to me is the lunch room outburst happened about a week after being moved to RT. IMO this was the catalyst, the straw and he will not admit it.

Dashi, I agree but to implement a 2.5 second rule we will need better WR's. Beckham would be a good one to fit in that offense you speak of.

Mando has more guts than anybody involved in the Dolphins administration.

If we stick with the 4/3 we would want Starks over Soliai. If we are moving to a different D then vice versa.

One of your best ever,Mando. I think I can speak for most of your readers and Dolphin fans when I say you have hit the nail squarely on the head! Martin has already shown us what a back stabbing, money grabbing piece of low life he really is. Oh,BTW,he is a real mediocre player also. Just cut him and let's all move on,and let the bottom feeder attorney's fight it out in court. I for one, am totally sick of even hearing about this garbage. Just sayin

My sources are never wrong. They are within the Dolphins organization. The deal is done. Caserio is spending the evening in Miami to work out details of the contract. I am told Shula was contacted as a John Carroll alum.
Posted by: Marco | January 25, 2014 at 10:23 PM

My sources are never wrong. I stand by my statement. Caserio accepted the position and is awaiting contract details. If he declines then my sources were correct.
Posted by: Marco | January 25, 2014 at 10:28 PM

I am not a child. I am a grown European educated successful entrepreneur that has direct contacts in the Dolphins organization. Why do you think the Dolphins are playing in London next season?
Posted by: Marco | January 25, 2014 at 10:34 PM

Mr Caserio is still in Miami to work out contract details. Call the Hilton and ask for Mr Caserio.
Posted by: Marco | January 25, 2014 at 10:30 PM

Ok, ok I just called my people and they assured me that Caserio is in fact not the next GM. The job will ultimately be offered to Mr. Gaine. It satisfies the Rooney rule and keeps the team mgmt. status quo as Aponte and Philbin will share in the power. Seems like candidates do not like the power structure at present.
Posted by: Marco | January 25, 2014 at 10:37 PM

T-Hill will be the QB of the Miami Dolphins for the next decade. Specially after he throws over 35 TDs next season. It is ludicrous to think Tannehill is going to fail. Unless he has a major injury!! Which I don't see happening, Tannehill will have an Exceptional Career as a Dolphin!!

The people who talk ignorance about Tannehill are scorned Matt Moore fans!! The same one who thought it was OK to keep Fiedler around.

Posted by: Dashi | January 29, 2014 at 12:31 PM

What evidence do you have to back up that statement ?, ZERO. As for Jay Fielder, yeah he was average at best, but his record as a starter is

21-10 in his first two seasons.
15-17 for lowly Thill.

Next 10 years, next 10 games you mean ?

Mando, I read your stuff everyday and I typically don't comment. Sometimes I agree with you and sometimes I don't.

This is the best thing you have ever written!!

Well Done.

Finally glad to see someone in the media say what everyone in South Florida has been thinking. Well done.

You know what's funny Marco. I actually agree with you on this blog but on the last blog topic, you were horrible man. Go back and read what I wrote about you. Lol

I'm not a fan or Armando's but that was probably best piece I've seen from him. Excellent actually.

Just one problem though. It's not the tune he was singing when this first went down ...

Good work Mandy!

Long live Richie the Bully. You will be missed.

Martin, not so much

Well done Mando! Thanks for not being politically correct. My opinion on Martin, he is a thin skinned guy. He is a giant who doesn't have the make up to play a tough brutal sport. Why is he playing, because as a child who was clearly bigger and stronger than everyone else he was conviced (like all bigger than usual kids) to play the sport. He never walked away from it because big $$$ were right there for the taking, but now he knows he does not have the skills to maintain a career and continue to make the big $$$, so a lawsuit will get him the money and he can walk away, or now he can use discrimination lawsuits against any team to keep a paycheck coming. Either way he is using lawsuits to keep the money coming, because he would not be in the league long.

Absolutely right about Dungy. WTF??

Well done amigo!! U should be proud!!


I didn't say I wanted both but I definately want one. Right now we are a 4-3 which requires 2 DT's.

I'm not dealing in what ifs. Another what if is can Odrick take a whole season as a starter in the trenches?? And will he be effective long term? We don't know he's never done it.

We know Starks and Soliai are solid. We should be trying our best to resign them. If we can't afford both at least one.

Posted by: AsJoeRobbieRaisesCries | January 29, 2014 at 12:52 PM

Nice try TROLL !!! Ha ha. You will have to do better darling, did your boyfriend beat you again last night in that sore place ?

Well put, Mando. I love it. Well put. Thank you.

Yes, in mandom it is perfectly normal and acceptable to talk about other men's sisters and moms.

Maybe not in gaydom, where Martin obviously hangs out.

I surprised Richard Sherman never made Martin cry. "U mad bro?"

Posted by: Frank from PA | January 29, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Ok Frank, ok.

Great job! Exactly my thoughts..you stood up to something far bigger than Ritchie...u took on the "media"..good luck, they are bid suckers on agenda and narrative..but good on you to stand on principles! :-)

Matt Moore = Career back up.

Posted by: Dollfan Rick | January 29, 2014 at 12:58 PM

Rick, Starks is too old and Odrick is decent and hasn't been out of action much over the last few years.

Last year our run D was terrible, so I know where you are coming from, but I feel our LBs really played poorly and the DE's didn't help much either. Francis looks to be ok as another option, but when you have OL, RB, ILB, FS and OLC concerns you have to share the money around.

Thankfully, this story is almost dead. Just have to wait for that report to come out. Martin should have belted Incognito and that would have been the end of it. If another franchise takes a shot at bringing him on, I am sure he will become an all pro caliber player. That appears to be the pattern when they leave here.

As far as this sham of an organization. Its the day to day routine that has been going on for a decade. I would wager $100 within the next two seasons we will be in full rebuild mode.

dungy = david duke

Avoidance Marco ... ok.

Ur a liar, straight up liar... proven.

Well said Mando. Nice work !

wow great read armando... good job

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