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News and opinion on Jonathan Martin interview

First the news, although in this case there is precious little: In his interview with NBC, Dolphins offensive tackle Jonathan Martin claims when he became uncomfortable with what appears to be verbal abuse he told coaches "above me" of his discomfort but "didn't get into specifics because you're not supposed to quote unquote snitch on your teammates."

That suggests Martin told Dolphins offensive line Jim Turner of something going on but obviously was not specific.

Martin also confirmed he never talked to head coach Joe Philbin about his issue, which has been reported here multiple times and Philbin has claimed throughout.

"There was persistent comments of a racial nature, aggressive sexual comments related to my sister and my mother,'' Martin told Dungy in the interview, portions of which aired on NBC's TODAY Wednesday morning. "I’ve spoken to my former teammates in other locker rooms across the NFL and I asked them, does this stuff go on? Is this normal rooking hazing? The consensus was, this is not normal."

Martin claimed he had no issues with pranks (perhaps because he participated in those and pulled them on other teammates also) but said the verbal abuse was "personal."

 "I have no problem with the normal hazing that you see in the NFL," Martin said. "'Get a haircut,' stuff like that, little pranks. The personal attacking nature, I don’t think there’s any place for that."

That's it. That's the news. The full interview with NBC's Tony Dungy will be aired on NBC Network's PFT at 6:30 Wednesday.

Now my opinion ...

At the risk of sounding unsympathetic, Jon Martin, your weak act is officially old. Go away. Just do what you did best as an offensive lineman on the field and back away. Just do what you did when you left your teammates unexpectedly during the season and simply disappear.

Every single step taken by you in this saga feels manufactured and authored by a lawyer as a step toward a suit. And that makes sense because you definitely have gotten excellent legal advice from your family and the lawyer you added to represent you in this matter. And I, for one, would be surprised if your legal team isn't preparing a suit.

The dramatic throwing down of your lunch tray and departure? No other teammate did that when you were among the players standing up and leaving them alone at a lunch table. So the fact you chose that harmless act to make your departure statement seems contrived now.

Seeking medical help? Please tell us where exactly? Please provide the details of what you were treated for? Because it seems you had some issues you're not eager to share. Furthermore, my understanding of classic ambulance chaser strategy is he or she demands you get "medical treatment" so your coming lawsuit can show damage, thus giving the legal action more bite. Give details, please.

The well-timed and slow leaks of allegations of wrong-doing, all of them done anonymously by your camp? Classic. They slimed the parties you intended be slimed and it was done with plausible deniability that you had nothing to do with it. It's brilliant, actually, using a media hungry for a story to feed the narrative of Martin as victim. You did it through the national media, of course, because you wanted to get your "story" out to as many as possible as quickly as possible. But you also wanted to use that vehicle because the national media wasn't going to question your motives. The national media wasn't going to form an opinion that is politically incorrect. And the national media wasn't in the locker room the week before you left when you were stewing and clearly unhappy about getting moved from left tackle to right tackle -- which in hindsight seems like another reason you left the team.

And now this NBC interview? Timed, coincidentally of course, during Super Bowl week. It is the NFL's biggest attention grabbing week of the year. And so that's the week you pick to go public with your first interview. Because that's the week it will get noticed most.

Well, this interview so far, is a dud, big guy.

The most hurtful thing you can point to as reprehensible behavior by the Dolphins is verbal abuse. So where's the "physical attack" your lawyer claimed happened? Why not give details to that? Where's the evidence of code reds?

You mean to tell me the full extent of the "bullying" your camp has alleged comes down to a pattern of mean texts sent and mean and unfeeling insults uttered by your teammates about your race or your mom or your sister?

Are you 11 years old?

You went to Stanford. You know how to communicate. Why didn't you take your tormentors aside and tell them in no uncertain terms the verbal abuse had to stop? Why didn't you tell your head coach, who definitely would have stopped the abuse and done so in-house so as to not embarrass you, your teammates or the organization? And failing that, why didn't you make an open show of one of the abusers in a full-on locker room takedown that would have definitely gotten everyone's attention -- including your coaches -- and screamed something had to change?

(Sorry people, but sometimes a man has to be a man and defend himself and his honor with whatever tools are available. Yes, flight is one of those tools, but that one pretty much sealed Martin's fate in Miami. He'll never play on that team again. He had to know that.)

Another thing:

Please Tony Dungy, you're a nice man and a Christian. So where is your discernment in all this, my brother? So far this interview shows no moment where you ask Martin why at the height of his frustration he didn't simply get face to face with whomever was tormenting him and do what men have done since David faced down Goliath -- they stand up for themselves.

No, NBC would probably frown upon this line of questioning because it would fly counter to the politically correct demasculinization of men in the 21st century. But if Martin's response to the abuse was always to grin and bear it, or even join in the abuse of others to be part of the group, that speaks poorly of the abusers, no doubt, but it also shows how weak Martin is in a den of Alpha males.

Dungy, by the way, is part of Dolphins owner Stephen Ross's committee that will look into establishing a code of conduct in the locker room. That the Dolphins need such a committee speaks poorly of the coaching staff because it is their job to establish that code and make it clear to players in no uncertain terms. Discpline on the field is born off the field, folks.

Dungy should be removed from this committee because he no longer seems impartial.

One more thing:

None of this gets Richie Incognito off the hook. He's a meathead. He displays all the signs of a bully -- loud, obnoxious at times, demanding attention. He will not be and should not be in any future Dolphins locker room. His abuse of Martin and perhaps others within the Dolphins organization is reprehensible. And his text messages? Who talks like that? But because he's something of a bully, he can be stopped dead in his tracks.

Early in training camp in 2013 he started calling another reporter a "nerd." One day as I'm standing in the middle of the locker room, he walks by and starts joking about me looking like I was lifting weights (which I don't) and then started speaking gibberish as if in mocking Spanish.

I asked Incognito politely, but firmly and seriously to stop. "Just stop."

He did. Never again.

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Even with the all of the chaos surrounding the gm hire. I am beginning to become a little more optimistic with the pieces Phjlbin has added to the offensive ooaching staff.

Bill Lazor OC
John Benton (Most likely new oline coach)


Ross is too cheap to pay for top players. 30 mill under the cap shows he isnt even trying.

I've lost a lot of respect for Dungy. All these texts from Martin are coming to light now. Dungy had to know about and would have probably seen them as part of the investigation. Yet he didn't even mention them to Martin in the interview. Dungy has become a tool for NBC. What a shame.

Sorry my bad. Tampa lost last years first but has this years 1st. However with M. James on the roster they have flexibility to move either Martin or James

Philbin has shown he has no control over the team. The new GM is a BIG loser and Ross is a joke of an owner. THE CLOWNS ARE RUNNING THE CIRCUS...

Posted by: Defins | January 30, 2014 at 12:45 PM


Wow, we're now at losing respect for Dungy? Just shows how we form opinions on very limited knowledge of people we form opinions about.

The media pretty much rules the day as far us choosing who we should or should not like. That's because very many Americans have lost that "old school" ability to pick and choose for ourselves.


Posted by: dolfan29 | January 30, 2014 at 12:45 PM

maybe a 3rd rounder, i want o-line with our first 2 picks, even if they are guards....

Well said Armando.

I admit that I hate trading first picks but I ahve to admit that after the fact, Richardson for Revis looks pretty good for Tampa. Richardson is a an excellent talent and will have a long productive career, but to get 5 years of the prime CB in football (in his prime) in exchange is a good deal for the Bucs.

You can get productive DTs in lots of places but not many Revis like talents out there.

Posted by: dolfan29 | January 30, 2014 at 12:45 PM


I see where Tampa Bay has ZERO urgent need to try and move anyone. Anyone could easily argue Tampa Bay is a more talented overall roster than the Miami Dolphins.

Personally, I would argue that they are. Doug Martin and Mike James gives them a very nice 1-2 punch. Do you really think they have a woody about the prospects of giving either up? I don't.

It's not Jonathan Martins fault for anything. The problems the Dolphins have and have had are all organic and systemic. The whole organization is problematic. My suggestion to dolphins fans is to find something else to follow. When your line of thought brings you to finding all kinds of fault with Tony Dungy.....it's probably time to give it up.

I love that there's a dude in here who posts ridiculous thoughts, knowing he is going against reality, in an effort to get someone to pay attention to him. Whomever you are I am so serious about this. You need to talk to a psychologist asap.

agreed defins

sure marsh, martin is garbage and career is over unless luck can convince indy to give his stanford teammate one last shot

I've lost a lot of respect for Ross. He has never made one good hire and cant make a decision without a committee. He always thinks his team is much better than it is and seems shocked that they dont perform well. He wont spend money on coaches, players, or even to repair his own stadium. I have lost any hope for this franchise until they have their next owner.

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If the team wants to they should be able to get Tate for maybe 5-6 million a year.

Reggie Bush went for 4 mil a year and Tate is a bit younger, so he will probably go for a little more.

I would just draft a RB 2nd-4th round, but thats just me.

Wow, we're now at losing respect for Dungy? Just shows how we form opinions on very limited knowledge of people we form opinions about.

The media pretty much rules the day as far us choosing who we should or should not like. That's because very many Americans have lost that "old school" ability to pick and choose for ourselves.

Posted by: Sam I Am | January 30, 2014 at 12:50 PM

WTF are you talking about? You're a weirdo dude. Dungy ignored a bunch of facts in a case while interviewing "the victim" helping to make him look more like a victim when in reality he is as much a part of this "culture" that made him leave the team. Losing respect for Dungy after that has nothing to do with the media. He's a man and can make his own decisions. He's the one who decided to sugarcoat an interview with a guy who tore a team apart at the seams for no other reason than to cover for his own insecurities. Your post makes no sense, stop trying to play the doctor in here you're a mess.

ETF,

Please start any QB statement you make by starting with your opinions about Henne's QB skills.

That way everyone knows upfront that anything you say about our present QB situation should not be taken seriously. Thanks

Posted by: Marsh Milliken | January 30, 2014 at 12:58 PM


is this MRS. Martin?

I'd welcome Martin back on the team after the racism and extortion are cleaned up. He had problems at LT but performed well at RT. He will be a productive player for many years to come. And he will be playing somewhere so why not for our Fins?

As the Bullygate BS draws to a close over the next few weeks Philbin has to start to take control over this team.

Ross has really built the whole organisation around one man, Joe Philbin. The GM is a soft approach yes man that will carry out Philbin shopping list for the draft and feed that info to Philbin. I don't buy anything Ross say, except the, " Im the owner", statement, when he was challenged on his actions, very weak.

The DawnJoe relationship is air tight for now and Philbin has created a position for himself of strong influence and control, all from 15-17 over two seasons, pretty good.

In Mafia terms Philbin is a Made Man, he's a Godfella. Now that Philbin is in this position I expect him to start acting like a leader of this team. The fact that Bullygate happened on his watch, under his nose without him having any knowledge of it is very worrying. He has to ditch the Index cards, it looks weak and so contrived. Philbin should get into the game more and talk to players during the action he looks so removed from the game.

So many times this year Philbin showed awful indecision on challenging refs calls. The refs got an easy ride from Philbin all year long and had their way with him most of the time.

So please Joe, go find your orbs this season and lets see some leadership.

The SB's about to get really interesting right now. Today, on ESPN, Richard Sherman literally said, "Peyton Manning throws like a girl".

Actually, he said, Manning's passes looks like wobbly ducks. Throws like a girl, is bout the same thing.

Mr. Sherman beware, this girl(Manning) threw for 55tds this year. He's not your average girl.

love to sign tate, browns gonna throw a ton of cash at him though

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No way Tampa would move Martin for a third. It would be a first or nothing on their end.

Sam i am. Im sure your right in that Tampa would not move either Martin or James, but no one seen cleveland moving Richardson to the colts for a first so its not out of the realm of possibilities. They drafted Martin in the third rd i believe so they would be selling for more than they gave up. Doesnt hurt for hickey to kick the tires on it

sam he also said manning is the best qb in football and accurate always. never said throws like a girl. quit making stuff up

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Posted by: The Woodshed Gang | January 30, 2014 at 01:08 PM

Tannehill is on the exact same career path as Henne. Journeyman backups. Take off your rose colored glasses and maybe you will see straight.

Posted by: dusty bottoms | January 30, 2014 at 01:15 PM

Dustybottom, stay with me here. Think about, Manning will find way to use Sherman's statement as fuel for motivation.

I'll bet you everything you hold dear and love, Peyton Manning hears that statement as "Peyton throws like a girl". :)

henne never threw for 4000 plus yards, henne never threw more tds than ints. no clue what your talking about, nowhere near the same

Philbin is making the same mistake Sparano did leaving Matt Moore on the bench.

moore is a decent backup nothing more. nowhere near thill. philbin is a goner after season if ross wants to save his investment

Marco

What your asking of Philbin isnt possible. The man doesnt possess the personality or balls to get in anyone's face. Hes emotionless and is to passive to show the type of fire you want during the season.

Nothing will change with the current culture until Philbin is shown the door. Im sure hes a nice guy, but an NFL coach he is not

agree 100 pct dolfan

I'd get rid of Soliai or Stark, move to a 3-4 and play DJ at OLB. The money that we make from that, go get Tate and sign Carlos Hyde in the 2nd rd. Talk about a 1-2 punch. Say bye bye to Thomas, keep Miller as KR and 3rd back. Put Gillislee on Practice squad and we have a really solid backfield for the next 3 years.

However the QB may be will have a solid couple of power back to take the heat of the pass rush and open up the play action. A OT with the first pick, or best available OG, but two power backs in here would at least start to give us some identity. Thill will be better under Lazor and with two back of this quality won't have to throw deep to often, just as well.

D29, Richardson, whom Cleveland paid highly, wasn't quite living up to expectation. I give the Brows great kudos on shipping him out(fleecing Irsay) while the value was still quite high.

The media now speaks of how we fleeced Cleveland with Devon Bess. But, a greater fleecing occurred when we Cleveland fleeced the Colts with Richardson. :)

hyde projected to go in first. agree let stark walk. have to fix oline before rb matters

henne never threw for 4000 plus yards, henne never threw more tds than ints. no clue what your talking about, nowhere near the same
Posted by: dusty bottoms | January 30, 2014 at 01:19 PM

Henne never ranked as low as Tannehill in QBR. Or in 4th quarter production. And 37th in yards per pass attempt.

Posted by: dolfan29 | January 30, 2014 at 01:20 PM

I agree, but if Im Ross I want to start to see change at this club. Last years effort from the coaching staff was truly pathetic. If Ross can't put heat on Philbin to get us into the playoffs, what is the bloody point to any of this ?

fyi wrong again, qbr last 2 years for henne = 29 and 31 for thill it = 52 and 45 not even close

Hahaha, wow. Dusty, these guys with their Matt Moore and Chad Henne....


Posted by: Marco | January 30, 2014 at 01:21 PM


Marco, remember, Coyle's still here. Our defensive philosophy will not change not one iota.

Mark, back to your question, I absolutely stick with Dalton (in Cincy). He's gotten the team to 3 straight Playoffs. That's respectable (even if he can't actually win a Playoff game yet).

And as far as Tannehill, you don't need to persuade me. I'm behind Tannehill (for now). As we've discussed, he gets the least amount of blame from the offenses woes. I blame the HC/OC far more than him, and factor in the OL troubles, which led to the RB troubles and then the injury bug.

But, my qualifier is that as it relates to Tannehill, the excuses that have been made (however valid I agree they are) cannot continue to deflect blame from the success (or lack thereof) of the offense in the future. Franchise QBs need to elevate their teams over obstacles. There's something to be said for playing acceptably well. But I'm afraid Miami needs more than that from their QB. They need a winner (like Chad Pennington). A guy that can make something out of nothing.

So to me we can throw around any stat we like, but in the end, it comes down to the post-season. You either make it or you don't. And if we continue not to make it, then we need to look for other talent to do what so many have failed to do.

haters mark, nothing more

FYI, henne never had a QBR as high as the one Tannehill posted this year.

never threw for the same # of yards

Never threw for the same # of tds

Never ran for the smae # of yards

Never had the same # of wins

never showed the same statistical improvement from one year to the next.

Can we please stop with this idiotic comparison.

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Tannehill would be considered a top-tier qb if he hit 2/3 of his open long balls this year. He just needs to hit on those...it's what's truly separating him from the others. We struggle to get some of the easy scores that other teams do and I can think of several games where a successful pass would have either brought us right back into a game or sealed a victory. Gotta hit on them more and he'll be ok.


Henne never ranked as low as Tannehill in QBR. Or in 4th quarter production. And 37th in yards per pass attempt.

Posted by: FYI | January 30, 2014 at 01:24 PM

I will give you that "IT IS ABSOLUTELY MANDATORY" Tannehill improves the 4TH QUARTER FAILINGS.

It's equivalent to "NOT BEING ABLE TO CLOSE THE DEAL" nor WIN as the FINAL CLOCK is ticking down.

This is when CHAMPIONS shine most. That's why they are called CHAMPIONS! Stat sheet fillers are not champions. Ask Dan Marino.

Marco, remember, Coyle's still here. Our defensive philosophy will not change not one iota.

Posted by: Sam I Am | January 30, 2014 at 01:27 PM

Sure Sam. The only thing Coyle did well was keep the scoring reasonably low. Also the offense had so many 3 and outs and our 3rd down conversion was awful. We tanked in a few games on D, maybe through never getting much of a break ? Coyle must be on his last chance. He really escaped a lot of heat this season. Sherman took most of it and quite rightly, but his own performance was weak. The 4-3 was horrible against the run and pass, I have no idea why they stick with it. DJ is a perfect 3-4 OLB, you can't keep the 3rd pick of the draft to 30% of the snaps its dumber than dumb.

DC, excuses are one thing I don't deal in. Don't make them, don't use them. You are what your production says you are.

Finally! Seeing what JM is really all about! The guy is ambulance chasing big pussy! ... and yes, I would say that to his face! ( probably get my ass kicked, but thats what men do!)

Ryan Tannehill = Another Irescum bust

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Posted by: Sam I Am | January 30, 2014 at 01:32 PM

Solid post Sam. Its also laughable, how some people who don't consider QBR a fair rating system use when it fits 'their' arguement... ha ha.

Posted by: DC Dolfan | January 30, 2014 at 01:28 PM

Right now, Cincy has little alternative but to continue with Dalton. In my opinion, Dalton's little more than a "regular season qb".

He has a nice defense and offense, yet can not emerge past the 1st rd of the playoffs. Cincy now has enough on both sides of the ball to clearly examine whether or not Dalton is a championship caliber qb.

Right now, that answer is a resounding and thunderous no!

Marco, you provlone, I wasn't using it to prove anything. just pointing out an inaccuracy in the orginal poster's statement of fiction.

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Marco

Thats my whole point though. Ross will never place the heat on Philbin until it starts to hurt Ross in the Stands and in the pocketbook. Thats the only way Ross will Fire Philbin.

There is no point to any of Ross's moves other than he wants to prove Philbin was the right hire and a great coach. Ross just doesnt have the football acumen to realize Philbin will never be either

Marco, you provlone, I wasn't using it to prove anything. just pointing out an inaccuracy in the orginal poster's statement of fiction.

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | January 30, 2014 at 01:39 PM

Hey Mark. Thought you didn't want to talk to me anymore my friend. Im choking on my pasta here, badda bing !!! Its ok. We have agreed to disagree, Im on to the running game now. I want us to draft Carlos Hyde and go after Tate.

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