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News and opinion on Jonathan Martin interview

First the news, although in this case there is precious little: In his interview with NBC, Dolphins offensive tackle Jonathan Martin claims when he became uncomfortable with what appears to be verbal abuse he told coaches "above me" of his discomfort but "didn't get into specifics because you're not supposed to quote unquote snitch on your teammates."

That suggests Martin told Dolphins offensive line Jim Turner of something going on but obviously was not specific.

Martin also confirmed he never talked to head coach Joe Philbin about his issue, which has been reported here multiple times and Philbin has claimed throughout.

"There was persistent comments of a racial nature, aggressive sexual comments related to my sister and my mother,'' Martin told Dungy in the interview, portions of which aired on NBC's TODAY Wednesday morning. "I’ve spoken to my former teammates in other locker rooms across the NFL and I asked them, does this stuff go on? Is this normal rooking hazing? The consensus was, this is not normal."

Martin claimed he had no issues with pranks (perhaps because he participated in those and pulled them on other teammates also) but said the verbal abuse was "personal."

 "I have no problem with the normal hazing that you see in the NFL," Martin said. "'Get a haircut,' stuff like that, little pranks. The personal attacking nature, I don’t think there’s any place for that."

That's it. That's the news. The full interview with NBC's Tony Dungy will be aired on NBC Network's PFT at 6:30 Wednesday.

Now my opinion ...

At the risk of sounding unsympathetic, Jon Martin, your weak act is officially old. Go away. Just do what you did best as an offensive lineman on the field and back away. Just do what you did when you left your teammates unexpectedly during the season and simply disappear.

Every single step taken by you in this saga feels manufactured and authored by a lawyer as a step toward a suit. And that makes sense because you definitely have gotten excellent legal advice from your family and the lawyer you added to represent you in this matter. And I, for one, would be surprised if your legal team isn't preparing a suit.

The dramatic throwing down of your lunch tray and departure? No other teammate did that when you were among the players standing up and leaving them alone at a lunch table. So the fact you chose that harmless act to make your departure statement seems contrived now.

Seeking medical help? Please tell us where exactly? Please provide the details of what you were treated for? Because it seems you had some issues you're not eager to share. Furthermore, my understanding of classic ambulance chaser strategy is he or she demands you get "medical treatment" so your coming lawsuit can show damage, thus giving the legal action more bite. Give details, please.

The well-timed and slow leaks of allegations of wrong-doing, all of them done anonymously by your camp? Classic. They slimed the parties you intended be slimed and it was done with plausible deniability that you had nothing to do with it. It's brilliant, actually, using a media hungry for a story to feed the narrative of Martin as victim. You did it through the national media, of course, because you wanted to get your "story" out to as many as possible as quickly as possible. But you also wanted to use that vehicle because the national media wasn't going to question your motives. The national media wasn't going to form an opinion that is politically incorrect. And the national media wasn't in the locker room the week before you left when you were stewing and clearly unhappy about getting moved from left tackle to right tackle -- which in hindsight seems like another reason you left the team.

And now this NBC interview? Timed, coincidentally of course, during Super Bowl week. It is the NFL's biggest attention grabbing week of the year. And so that's the week you pick to go public with your first interview. Because that's the week it will get noticed most.

Well, this interview so far, is a dud, big guy.

The most hurtful thing you can point to as reprehensible behavior by the Dolphins is verbal abuse. So where's the "physical attack" your lawyer claimed happened? Why not give details to that? Where's the evidence of code reds?

You mean to tell me the full extent of the "bullying" your camp has alleged comes down to a pattern of mean texts sent and mean and unfeeling insults uttered by your teammates about your race or your mom or your sister?

Are you 11 years old?

You went to Stanford. You know how to communicate. Why didn't you take your tormentors aside and tell them in no uncertain terms the verbal abuse had to stop? Why didn't you tell your head coach, who definitely would have stopped the abuse and done so in-house so as to not embarrass you, your teammates or the organization? And failing that, why didn't you make an open show of one of the abusers in a full-on locker room takedown that would have definitely gotten everyone's attention -- including your coaches -- and screamed something had to change?

(Sorry people, but sometimes a man has to be a man and defend himself and his honor with whatever tools are available. Yes, flight is one of those tools, but that one pretty much sealed Martin's fate in Miami. He'll never play on that team again. He had to know that.)

Another thing:

Please Tony Dungy, you're a nice man and a Christian. So where is your discernment in all this, my brother? So far this interview shows no moment where you ask Martin why at the height of his frustration he didn't simply get face to face with whomever was tormenting him and do what men have done since David faced down Goliath -- they stand up for themselves.

No, NBC would probably frown upon this line of questioning because it would fly counter to the politically correct demasculinization of men in the 21st century. But if Martin's response to the abuse was always to grin and bear it, or even join in the abuse of others to be part of the group, that speaks poorly of the abusers, no doubt, but it also shows how weak Martin is in a den of Alpha males.

Dungy, by the way, is part of Dolphins owner Stephen Ross's committee that will look into establishing a code of conduct in the locker room. That the Dolphins need such a committee speaks poorly of the coaching staff because it is their job to establish that code and make it clear to players in no uncertain terms. Discpline on the field is born off the field, folks.

Dungy should be removed from this committee because he no longer seems impartial.

One more thing:

None of this gets Richie Incognito off the hook. He's a meathead. He displays all the signs of a bully -- loud, obnoxious at times, demanding attention. He will not be and should not be in any future Dolphins locker room. His abuse of Martin and perhaps others within the Dolphins organization is reprehensible. And his text messages? Who talks like that? But because he's something of a bully, he can be stopped dead in his tracks.

Early in training camp in 2013 he started calling another reporter a "nerd." One day as I'm standing in the middle of the locker room, he walks by and starts joking about me looking like I was lifting weights (which I don't) and then started speaking gibberish as if in mocking Spanish.

I asked Incognito politely, but firmly and seriously to stop. "Just stop."

He did. Never again.

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Come back MIT, we need your Racist BS to keep us entertained and your Thill love interest to keep the masses happy.

"Through the whole debacle Armando was the only reporter who questioned the situation. He threw up red flags when everyone else was jumping on the bully bandwagon."

Posted by: Phins78 | January 29, 2014 at 12:46 PM

In fairness, many other S. Florida beat reporters seemed pretty skeptical of JM's motives - agreed, not as skeptical as Mando - but I got the sense from most writers in the Miami media that they clearly did not like Ritchie, but nonetheless hinted that JM story was foul and his motivations less than honest. There's a certain opinionated reporter at another paper who I have no time for, but I admit he also seemed to be calling BS on JM.

That's one of the first clues something wasn't right - the south florida media - who to some degree knew the men involved and locker room culture better than most other sports reporters in the country - had a very different tone than the national narrative.

What's astounding, though, is how the national media refused to take any cue whatsoever from guys like Mando. No one questioned JM's motivations, no one bothered to draw the link to his parents (his mom just happens to be one of the most popular workplace discrimination lawyers in the country - funny how that worked out). I'm not saying at the time these ledes were conclusive, but to not even bring them up? They missed the entire story

Martin my get on a team but he won't be a starter anyware.

Can't wait to see him run off the field crying mommy when the first DE he palys againt says your mama and sister eat "blank".

Again show me wherer I said Tannehill made Hartliine great...

And Wallace had a very similar year under under Big Ben as he did under Tannehill..

SHOW ME WHERE I SAID TANNEHILL MADE HARTLINE GREAT. IF YOU DO I WILL DISAPPEAR FROM THIS BLOG FOREVER. BUT IF YOU CAN'T THEN YOU SHOW EVERYONE THE IRRATIONAL LIAR YOU ARE. GO AHEAD, DO IT....

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | January 29, 2014 at 12:46 PM

If only you would !!! Calm down. Go to the last post. Read your comments about Thill and Hartline. Then return and explain yourself, you tiny racist slug.

Nice job Mando. This is a bad joke, he was a terrible tackle and a spineless bum. Cogs is an idiot too.

I see you have no comeback to that challenge. Truly Pathetic.

Canadiens should be seen and not heard.

WAY TO GO MANDO!!!

24 HOURS OF POSITIVITY HAS EXPIRED

Tanne = Bust
Hickey = Loser
Philbin = In way over his head
Dolphins = LAUGHINGSTOCK
Marino = 18 years of self-worship

What evidence do you have to back up that statement ?, ZERO. As for Jay Fielder, yeah he was average at best, but his record as a starter is

21-10 in his first two seasons.
15-17 for lowly Thill.

Next 10 years, next 10 games you mean ?

Posted by: Marco | January 29, 2014 at 12:52 PM

he will blow away anything Fiddler has accomplished. And Fiddler was a veterean when he came here not a rookie.

Can we all agree that drafting Jonathan Martin was not the fault of Jeff Ireland?

Best Blog by far you've ever written. Martin is a wuss and was ticked about getting moved. he was a game away from being benched all together. I hope he never plays in the NFL again. He stole a season of salary from the phins and like you so astutely point out, every thing he has done since this started has been staged with one goal in mind. Major law suit so the big sissy doesn't have to play a game he clearly isn't man enough to play. So glad you're on board with the truth here Armando! Well done.

I have a new found respect for you Mando. Someone had to say it in the media. Jonathan Martin was a baby, destroyed a guy's career and bailed on 51 others because his feelings were hurt and couldn't stand up for himself. Bravo Mando!

Good read, Mando. That is all.

Also, I'd like to again point out that the Hickey hire was good, imo, as long as the structure Ross laid down holds true.

If this ends up being a situation where Hickey is ultimately overruled by Philbin getting in Ross' ear (which is physically possible considering) about a certain they're targeting then everything is for not.

'I own the team'

I didn't think we could stoop much lower when it comes an owner after Wayne. With Wayne you had an owner who didn't know anything about football running the team and did his best to put football people in charge. With Ross you have an owner who pretends to know something about football but still wants other people to run it. Bad combo.

Exposing the fraud = stay at home shut in.

100% agreement.

Incognito is certainly a meathead, but...

Martin is beyond weak.

Does Martin seriously think he'll resume his career and be welcomed into another team's locker room? He had to know when he was walking out on the Dolphins that he was walking out on his NFL career. This is his way of walking away from the game, which he clearly is not man enough for.

he will blow away anything Fiddler has accomplished. And Fiddler was a veterean when he came here not a rookie.

Posted by: wallyfin | January 29, 2014 at 01:22 PM

Fiddler, never heard of him ?

Posted by: Marco | January 29, 2014 at 01:04 PM

Stark and Solia are both 30 years old

PER ARMANDO:

"Please Tony Dungy, you're a nice man and a Christian. So where is your discernment in all this, my brother?"

My brother? Really Armando?

Your self-righteousness finally shows it's true colors. now indisputably trekking onto the "Dark Side".

Not that proof was needed.

I also hope Cogs files and wins a massive lawsuit against the NFL and the Dolphins. This entire situation was a liberal media mind ****.

Martin's feelings were butt hurt so of course everyone else is made to suffer, and Cogs no longer has the ability to earn a living.

u ever hear of Starks and Solia?

These aren't original thoughts by Armando. Didn't any of you watch Stephen A and Skip Bayless this morning?

Armando only regurgitated everything they said, nearly word for word. Wow, are many of you gullible. No wonder Armando refers this blog as the "Peanut Gallery".

Peanut Gallery itself refers to that which is below the upper, meaning Armando is king and you are his foot stool. Armando thinks very highly of himself and very lowly of the all of you's.

BREAKING ON NFL NET!

Dolphins and Brian Gaine agree to part ways....

I know as fans we NEED to get behind Hickey but honestly felt Gaine was someone we should have kept. He was the one stabalizing piece left in the Scouting/Personel dept. and to me more importantly the only one that was Scouting at the resent Sr. Bowl for the Miami Dolphins who has an idea o were this team is truly at and were it needs to get pluged. I know Hickey isn't blind but felt he could have used Gaine to help him transition.

Way to go Armando...well said and so true on all ends.
This is a weak man/boy just looking for an easy out and a lawsuit so he never has to actually work again.
In other word "LOSER".

These aren't original thoughts by Armando. Didn't any of you watch Stephen A and Skip Bayless this morning?

Armando only regurgitated everything they said, nearly word for word. Wow, are many of you gullible. No wonder Armando refers this blog as the "Peanut Gallery".

Peanut Gallery itself refers to that which is below the upper, meaning Armando is king and you are his foot stool. Armando thinks very highly of himself and very lowly of the all of you's.

Posted by: Sam I Am | January 29, 2014 at 01:34 PM

If that is truly the case then wouldn't it be more apropo to simply say, 'Hey, if you were able to see Stephen A and Bayless this morning then you would've seen that Mando ripped off their material?', as opposed to calling people gullible?

Well, I finally agree with you on something. Well said!

One day, the many of you will learn everything and and everybody in life has "some sort of agenda" encircling about. Knowingly or unknowingly matters not.

Even the many of you, including myself, all have "self serving agendas. That's nothing new in the crux of mankind. It isn't a First nor last.

We're all a walking billboard of "personal agenda". It's just more fun to poke at and prod into that which isn't our own. It somehow makes us feel "better than" our lowly brother.

It's grand boobie prize in this freak show called human existence.

'Mando for PRESIDENT!!!

Respect. Nice article Armando.

Have very similar point of view on this whole bs scandal.

The report should be interesting. Hopefully it gets rid of Turner. Maybe they kept him so they can fire him as a result of the report?

Marco, I said Hartline improved once tannehill took over.

You twist my point, said Tannehill made hartline great.

You don't comprehend English.

I'm done with you, fawk off... don't need to discuss with liars. not why I'm here.

I challenged you and you showed everyone here what you are ... a liar.

I have never posted before but I had to on this. Wow! Somebody with the guts to write the truth. Miami Herald editors take note of all the comments and reward Armando somehow. Absolutely, spectacular!

So where was all of this heated opinion against Martin when this thing went down.?Mando you blamed the National Media for being politically correct, but you guys in the local media were fueling this flame. As for Martin.....I live in Los Angeles and I'm very familiar with his high school and the area he lives in.........his team is
known as a soft team and the area he lives in could possibly be confused as Beverly Hills. Now, how do I know this, but you guys didn't? You guys didn't do your homework and rushed to conclusions, and this article is just you trying to save face.


BREAKING ON NFL NET!

Dolphins and Brian Gaine agree to part ways....

Posted by: fin4life | January 29, 2014 at 01:36 PM


You're a little late, the story broke about an hour ago. But, really, Gaines leaving is news?

It was reported he would leave during the same time it was reported Hickey was hired. By actually leaving, he only confirmed those reports were true. Nothing else.

Preach it Mando!!!

Watched the introduction of hickey as GM.

Ross at one point states he wants the best people in place and allow them to do their jobs. I take issue with this as all the best candidates turned Ross down because they wanted the power to hire and fire their own coach. Ross would allow this so he's not letting them do their job.

Ross your not savvy nor do u have a clue what makes a successful HC in this league. If you bring in a GM, allow that person to find the right man to coach the players you have.

If you want the person you hire to run your team as you say you do then allow them to perform in all aspects of the role, not the ones you seem fit


If that is truly the case then wouldn't it be more apropo to simply say, 'Hey, if you were able to see Stephen A and Bayless this morning then you would've seen that Mando ripped off their material?', as opposed to calling people gullible?

Posted by: THED | January 29, 2014 at 01:40 PM


You are so correct. Guess I have having a Richard Sherman "in the heat of the moment" moment. :)

You guys are applauding Mando? Why? This article should have been written months ago........Mando is just seeing this now? How many people on this board were saying this months ago and when we were saying it, we were being chastised for being insensitive and racist. This is unreal.

Oops. That should read. Ross wouldn't allow the new hire to fire and hire the HC

"But if Martin's response to the abuse was always to grin and bear it, or even join in the abuse of others to be part of the group, that speaks poorly of the abusers, sure, but it also shows how weak Martin is in a den of Alpha males."

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Bingo. And not just macho "weak." It's morally duplicitous & depraved to go along just to get along while you (illegally?) record, transcribe & cherry-pick private conversations for the sole purpose of personal aggrandizement.

P.S. If Martin skipped history at Stanford, he'll be glad to know Nazi capos & collaborators peddled the same defense. OTOH, he'll wet his pants when he learns there were ZERO sales, as judges and juries tossed said defense like opposing DLs routinely tossed Martin.

Still, there IS an ideal place for Martin's malignant brand of pathological self-absorption. A very quiet place with tons of marble.

Bon voyage chump.

Posted by: Sam I Am | January 29, 2014 at 01:34 PM

Sam some of us have jobs to go to so we can't watch TV all day. gullible is not the correct phrase. Thanks for calling Armondo out, but gullible?


Personally, I'm neither here nor there, with the Jonathan Martin issue. I see it as "HIS ISSUE" not mine.

Last I checked, the NFL nor the "talking heads" media, have contemplated nor actually sent me not one paycheck. This means absolutely nothing in how I go about, or effects my daily life.

21-10 in his first two seasons.
15-17 for lowly Thill.

Next 10 years, next 10 games you mean ?

Posted by: Marco | January 29, 2014 at 12:52 PM

Marco it's hard debating people like you in football because you treat the sport as if it were tennis.

You guys have to stop the nonsense. You're comparing two qbs and saying one is better than the other because his record is better?

As if the qbs are the only two players on the field, tennis anyone?

Do you remember the defense and running game Fiedler had? TOP OF THE LEAGUE. HELLLLLLOOOOO?

TD/INT 69–66
Yards 11,844
QB Rating 77.1

IT TOOK FIEDLER 11 YEARS TO AMASS SUCH A CRAPPY STAT LINE.

Tannehills stats are already better (save for yards and tds. BUT HE ALREADY HAS 7,700 YARDS IN YEAR TWO. One more year he will catch up to Fielder, 3 years to throw for over 10,000 compared to 11 years. 69 TDS in 11 years equals 2.5 tds PER YEAR. RYANS ALREADY AVERAGING 18 PER YEAR.

Just stop. Marco you're a fan right? What do you remember about the teams that Fielder was in charge of. What do you remember complaing about the most? Let me help,,,,,,IT WAS FIEDLER! We had an excellent running game, good wrs and te, and a stellar defense.

So who held that team back from advancing in the playoffs? FIEDLER. wHO WERE AL THE FANS SCREAMING ABOUT AND WANTED REPLACED EVERY OFFSEASON,,,,,,,FIEDLER.

Please stop glorifying a qb WHO HAD 11 years to prove he was crap.

Oh and I quite agree about Dungy. How he became this 'wise sage', I'll never know. He was a pretty good coach that had a little luck that's all. What a bull$hitter!!!

Good post t.o fin fan, I hear ya

Posted by: wallyfin | January 29, 2014 at 01:50 PM


Wally, see:

Posted by: Sam I Am | January 29, 2014 at 01:47 PM


:)

PER ARMANDO:

"Please Tony Dungy, you're a nice man and a Christian. So where is your discernment in all this, my brother?"

My brother? Really Armando?

Your self-righteousness finally shows it's true colors. now indisputably trekking onto the "Dark Side".

Not that proof was needed.

Posted by: Sam I Am | January 29, 2014 at 01:28 PM

Sam you care to explain this post to the people who don't understand your stupidity? What do you mean the "dark side"?

I'd welcome J Martin back if we have rid the racism, extortion, and bullying off the team.

Phins78 ...

You math sucks. 69 TD's in 11 years equals 2.5 TD's / Year? That must be the "new math" they were talking about when I was in grade school. Yeah, I'm getting old. But my math is still better than yours.

Armando only proves when its lawful to kick a man while he's down, he'll come equipted with steel toe boot. What a supposed Christian bs'er!

These aren't original thoughts by Armando. Didn't any of you watch Stephen A and Skip Bayless this morning?

Armando only regurgitated everything they said, nearly word for word. Wow, are many of you gullible. No wonder Armando refers this blog as the "Peanut Gallery"."

Sam I'm not because I'm hiding under multiples
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We're gullible because we have jobs and can't watch espn all day you f%$#ing moron? What an incredible idiot you are, stop stealing our oxygen and go die somewhere please.

Incognito was a JACKASS!

I won't waste my time posting on "HONEY SUCKLE" I believe he could have conducted himself more like a man and if not punch someone at least air his grievance! To me A SELF-ENTITLED PUNK! With ZERO BALLS and no sense of camaraderie! I played Football at Miami Killian Sr. growing up and the amount of back-n-forth in the Locker Room was tremendous! Back in the 80's Killian was one of your 1st truly integrated High Schools in Town, if your from Miami you know what time it is!

In those days the kids from Perrine, Cutler Ridge and the Goulds didn't really want to go to School with "WHITE BOYS" or much less play Football with them! I always shoot straight from the hip and will flat out say the Black kids were more racist than the White ones! Again if your from Miami (down South) you know what time it is! My heritage is Cuban and back in the 80's we were all distrustful of each other. In reality (from my prospective) we were the Gen. that broke down alot of Social stigma based on Race and Race relations...

This lent for some serious Locker Room HAZZING!! You had a thick skin or you you weren't one of the boys that simple or on occasion you had that one guy that was even worse (in my book) a PUNK who just lacked a man card and I feel this is were Martin falls! It shows that the Cali. native was a sheltered Lil B! I can't even tell you all some of the things we called each other or that people got tossed out of the Locker Room in a towel, people whipping their butts in others towels before they could use it gross C-H-I-T ect..... I NEVER bought into Martin or his excuses and Hickey IMO would be wise to set precedent by attempting to trade this MENTAL MIDGET or flat out letting him go!!!

Seriously Sam. If you're being racist just be racist and say the n word or whatever you wanted to say.

That's what cracks me up about you racists. You're always so tough when no one can touch you. As soon as you get around black people you're all smiles and compliments. You even change the way you talk a bit to try and fit in. And then as soon as their backs are turned you show your true self. People like you are ruining this planet.


Posted by: Phins78 | January 29, 2014 at 01:56 PM

Thx for the opportunity your highness, but I digress.

Will you ever pardon me my fine, king?

COULD THINGS GET ANY WORSE? LOL

Posted by: Sam I Am | January 29, 2014 at 01:40 PM

Another in a long line of useless posts. What a f$#@ing twit this person is. Hey twit, why did you stop posting under your 2watt name?

The NFL should fold the Dolphin franchise on reasons of incompetence throughout.

Posted by: Phins78 | January 29, 2014 at 01:51 PM

I said Fielder was average at best. You are joining a debate I had with another blogger. MIT and I have been at this for ages, don't let it bother you. We agree and disagree I can handle it. I wanted to move on but racist Canuk wouldn't let it go. Ok.

ONE WORD WOW!!!!!!!!!

It is about time Armando!!

Please bronze this article!!! You hit the nail on the head perfectly!! I feel the same way!!

Everyone jumped to all kinds of conclusions on this topic, and for me personally I never did.

I said the entire time that this was a Jonathan Martin issue PERIOD!!!

I do see the merit in the people questioning why it took so long for Armando to see what so many of us saw.

I can't speak to how this was covered locally, but up here - where no sports agency has a dog in the fight - either when it comes to the Miami Dolphins franchise or the NFL in general - the stance was to think this was "bizarre" and needed to hear more information come out before they formed an opinion.

It seemed odd to most people up here that such a big man who was "man" enough to make the NFL could get bullied but at the same time knew that poeple like Incognito existed out there.

Imagine that - to have a confused stance and needing more information before condemning either Martin or the Dolphins. Now wouldn't that seem entirely too rational now in hindsight.

personally, I knew martin was always FOS. Knew this since he was drafted. But as a fan, I'm afforded such luxuries.

sammy 29 @ 1:27

It is true that I rode my sofa, heroically, for 100 days: getting paid by workers comp and 2 disability policies; medical mj; live-in gf to empty my pockets 4-5 times/week; watching The First 48/Miami and Real Housewives/Miami.

However the doctor released me back to work on Jan 7 and I reported back on Jan 8 so i am no longer a shut-in.

I am still refusing to fall for the hype and you can count on me to ExposeTheFraud wherever I find it.

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