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News and opinion on Jonathan Martin interview

First the news, although in this case there is precious little: In his interview with NBC, Dolphins offensive tackle Jonathan Martin claims when he became uncomfortable with what appears to be verbal abuse he told coaches "above me" of his discomfort but "didn't get into specifics because you're not supposed to quote unquote snitch on your teammates."

That suggests Martin told Dolphins offensive line Jim Turner of something going on but obviously was not specific.

Martin also confirmed he never talked to head coach Joe Philbin about his issue, which has been reported here multiple times and Philbin has claimed throughout.

"There was persistent comments of a racial nature, aggressive sexual comments related to my sister and my mother,'' Martin told Dungy in the interview, portions of which aired on NBC's TODAY Wednesday morning. "I’ve spoken to my former teammates in other locker rooms across the NFL and I asked them, does this stuff go on? Is this normal rooking hazing? The consensus was, this is not normal."

Martin claimed he had no issues with pranks (perhaps because he participated in those and pulled them on other teammates also) but said the verbal abuse was "personal."

 "I have no problem with the normal hazing that you see in the NFL," Martin said. "'Get a haircut,' stuff like that, little pranks. The personal attacking nature, I don’t think there’s any place for that."

That's it. That's the news. The full interview with NBC's Tony Dungy will be aired on NBC Network's PFT at 6:30 Wednesday.

Now my opinion ...

At the risk of sounding unsympathetic, Jon Martin, your weak act is officially old. Go away. Just do what you did best as an offensive lineman on the field and back away. Just do what you did when you left your teammates unexpectedly during the season and simply disappear.

Every single step taken by you in this saga feels manufactured and authored by a lawyer as a step toward a suit. And that makes sense because you definitely have gotten excellent legal advice from your family and the lawyer you added to represent you in this matter. And I, for one, would be surprised if your legal team isn't preparing a suit.

The dramatic throwing down of your lunch tray and departure? No other teammate did that when you were among the players standing up and leaving them alone at a lunch table. So the fact you chose that harmless act to make your departure statement seems contrived now.

Seeking medical help? Please tell us where exactly? Please provide the details of what you were treated for? Because it seems you had some issues you're not eager to share. Furthermore, my understanding of classic ambulance chaser strategy is he or she demands you get "medical treatment" so your coming lawsuit can show damage, thus giving the legal action more bite. Give details, please.

The well-timed and slow leaks of allegations of wrong-doing, all of them done anonymously by your camp? Classic. They slimed the parties you intended be slimed and it was done with plausible deniability that you had nothing to do with it. It's brilliant, actually, using a media hungry for a story to feed the narrative of Martin as victim. You did it through the national media, of course, because you wanted to get your "story" out to as many as possible as quickly as possible. But you also wanted to use that vehicle because the national media wasn't going to question your motives. The national media wasn't going to form an opinion that is politically incorrect. And the national media wasn't in the locker room the week before you left when you were stewing and clearly unhappy about getting moved from left tackle to right tackle -- which in hindsight seems like another reason you left the team.

And now this NBC interview? Timed, coincidentally of course, during Super Bowl week. It is the NFL's biggest attention grabbing week of the year. And so that's the week you pick to go public with your first interview. Because that's the week it will get noticed most.

Well, this interview so far, is a dud, big guy.

The most hurtful thing you can point to as reprehensible behavior by the Dolphins is verbal abuse. So where's the "physical attack" your lawyer claimed happened? Why not give details to that? Where's the evidence of code reds?

You mean to tell me the full extent of the "bullying" your camp has alleged comes down to a pattern of mean texts sent and mean and unfeeling insults uttered by your teammates about your race or your mom or your sister?

Are you 11 years old?

You went to Stanford. You know how to communicate. Why didn't you take your tormentors aside and tell them in no uncertain terms the verbal abuse had to stop? Why didn't you tell your head coach, who definitely would have stopped the abuse and done so in-house so as to not embarrass you, your teammates or the organization? And failing that, why didn't you make an open show of one of the abusers in a full-on locker room takedown that would have definitely gotten everyone's attention -- including your coaches -- and screamed something had to change?

(Sorry people, but sometimes a man has to be a man and defend himself and his honor with whatever tools are available. Yes, flight is one of those tools, but that one pretty much sealed Martin's fate in Miami. He'll never play on that team again. He had to know that.)

Another thing:

Please Tony Dungy, you're a nice man and a Christian. So where is your discernment in all this, my brother? So far this interview shows no moment where you ask Martin why at the height of his frustration he didn't simply get face to face with whomever was tormenting him and do what men have done since David faced down Goliath -- they stand up for themselves.

No, NBC would probably frown upon this line of questioning because it would fly counter to the politically correct demasculinization of men in the 21st century. But if Martin's response to the abuse was always to grin and bear it, or even join in the abuse of others to be part of the group, that speaks poorly of the abusers, no doubt, but it also shows how weak Martin is in a den of Alpha males.

Dungy, by the way, is part of Dolphins owner Stephen Ross's committee that will look into establishing a code of conduct in the locker room. That the Dolphins need such a committee speaks poorly of the coaching staff because it is their job to establish that code and make it clear to players in no uncertain terms. Discpline on the field is born off the field, folks.

Dungy should be removed from this committee because he no longer seems impartial.

One more thing:

None of this gets Richie Incognito off the hook. He's a meathead. He displays all the signs of a bully -- loud, obnoxious at times, demanding attention. He will not be and should not be in any future Dolphins locker room. His abuse of Martin and perhaps others within the Dolphins organization is reprehensible. And his text messages? Who talks like that? But because he's something of a bully, he can be stopped dead in his tracks.

Early in training camp in 2013 he started calling another reporter a "nerd." One day as I'm standing in the middle of the locker room, he walks by and starts joking about me looking like I was lifting weights (which I don't) and then started speaking gibberish as if in mocking Spanish.

I asked Incognito politely, but firmly and seriously to stop. "Just stop."

He did. Never again.

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Posted by: Sam I Am | January 29, 2014 at 02:01 PM

You mental midget. Thanks for the opportunity but you digress? That makes no sense. Was that translated from some other language? God you're stupid as hell.

hahaha @ 1:58...

Phins 78 = Board Moron

Posted by: Phins78 | January 29, 2014 at 02:00 PM

WTH is wrong with you today sweetheart. First you take all I say out of context, 2nd you purposely skip over my repentant posts, 3rdly you just cant get me off of your mind.

Want to sit in my lap while you tell all about too, dear? Sorry, but, that is not happening. :)

Armando, Very Good. I lost respect for Martin a long time ago. He is a coward. He is nothing but a pawn in this matter. No doubt this has been rehearsed and planned by his family and attorneys. If ANY other NFL locker room welcomes this clown the shame would be on them.
On another note I have lost much of the respect I had for Tony Dungy. "Mr. Goodie Two Shoes" comes across as a chess piece being manipulated by Martin's legal system and NBC.
Shame on you Tony. You sold yourself cheap!!

Marco is making MIT go all Craig Moron on the blog. Hilarious!

Marco you said Fielders numbers were average at best, I know that.

But then you went on to compare them to a second year players numbers. That's where you went off track imo and I wanted to point out some facts.

Awesome Mando. Thankyou JM, for almost single handingly sabotaging what was a decent start to the season (with help from sherman), and costing us a solid lineman in Cogs.


Phins 78 = Board Moron

Posted by: Can we all agree | January 29, 2014 at 02:05 PM

ABSOLUTELY!

lol

Phins 78,

Jay Fielders first two years as a starter was all I was talking about. We don't have Thill sum total of his career to talk about yet. Up to this point Thill has very similar numbers to Jay F. As far as win lost is concerned they are facts, so should be easy to understand?

I don't want to start a new BS debate, but Thill hasn't shown me anything to suggest he will be much better than Fielder, as my opponent was stating. If you care to read the whole post its there for you.

...Mark in Toronto..From the last blog..

I strongly support drafting a quarterback this year so that this team has fall back options just in case. I do not want to wait and be forced to play the draft a guy to high because we need a quarterback game(See Tannehill, see most of the guys drafted in round 1)

The best case scenario is that Ryan Tannehill is the answer. He earns a second contract here, and there are no questions to be asked about it. Even then. Who is to say Tannehill stays upright. I would like a competent young quarterback that could come in and win a game or 2 should we need him. A guy that we could showcase to use as currency(in this best case scenario). Take a 4th round guy and turn him into first or second round pick down the road.

Now of course there is the nuclear scenario. Where Tannehill turns into Mark Sanchez, or Ponder, or Henne.. Tannehill is not going anywhere the next 2 years. He is going to be the guy(minus a real bad injury) But to me..A third round guy(for the sake of debate)that has 2 years as an understudy is going to be just as ready as 90 percent of the guys coming out of a draft anyway. We need security. Drafting a guy now gives us real security.

The fact that this conversation is happening today and not after the Super Bowl is a complete joke to me.

Tony Dungy loses all credibility with me from this.

HICKEY IS NOW 100% IN CHARGE OF THE ROSTER

And was not impressed with what he saw from Tanne against TB this season.

Armando, thank you for writing what we have all wanted to see from someone that not only is in the media, but was actually inside the Dolphins locker room with access that the national media doesn't have.

HICKEY: JOSH FREEMAN STILL AN EXCELLENT YOUNG QB

And he's a free agent.


personally, I knew martin was always FOS. Knew this since he was drafted. But as a fan, I'm afforded such luxuries.

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | January 29, 2014 at 02:04 PM

You Sir get the distinction of always saying I told you so on this one....

I remember in that draft being high on Martin because after following Luck through the 2011 Yr. at Stanford I felt while his press deserved they were really over looking the run game with Stephan Taylor!

I felt the Stanford OL was one of the best I had seen in College ball, as in EVER! They did alot of off LT and Martin seemed a beast although in the WAC! Yet I felt he would translate and you told me time an again you HATED his work on the 225 bench at the combine. As a matter of fact I don't recall you ever in the time we've posted here being more down on a guy, so from this fin fan to you, you get the "I TOLD YOU SO!"

Well said, Armando. Once, again you continue to shed light and show the obvious nature of this saga. Glad, it will soon be over. Thanks and keep the solid reporting!!

Can we just put this to bed already. A story about two average linemen who were apart of the worst line in franchise history. The dolphins are a better team without either of these two. Trade Martin for a football at this point.

I'm just sick of hearing about average talent that contributed to the downfall of this past season. Move on already

Posted by: Grier | January 29, 2014 at 01:57 PM

No it isn't. You do realize they play 16 games a year right? Which averages to 176 games in 11 years. Divided my amount of tds thrown in his career.

Feeling pretty stupid? Wish you didn't put your foot in your mouth?

fin4life @ 2:14

Stanford plays in PAC-10, no? Not the WAC.

DD, I understand I also agree that the team must start coming up with a plan a year or two down the road if it doesn't think paying Tannehill is the thing to do.

I just think finding a worthy starting qb in the 3rd round is a tough task.

I just rather cut bait and pull and Indy Colts if Tannehill is not the guy. Sink down, get a guy near the top of the draft and build it all up again.

Despite what others IMPLY what I say, i merely thought Tannehill improved form eyar one to two to the point where he is a decent but not outstanding QB by NFL levels. He gets one more year to improve further. he needs to improve - I've never said otherwise. I'm just not a fan of drafting a qb if it's not a first round talent - although some QBs recently have played well despite not being first round guys - Wilson, Foles, Dalton.

Just a personal opinion on approach is all. Personally I don't think a 3rd or 4th pick provides security or continuity. But your approach can work too even if it's not the way I would like to see the team go about it.

Bottom line, we don't know who the Qb will be in three years. And I won't want to see the team pay Tannehill $20M a year if all is he is is a Flacco or Cutler.

Jonathon Martin is walking sewage. Anybody that gets close to him is going to stink. Tony Dungy stinks real bad right now.

Posted by: darryldunphy | January 29, 2014 at 02:08 PM

We have to invest in a QB 3-4, pending FA signings and the other players left on the board. Best case, worst case we can't go wrong having a young QB work with Lazor and develop under him. If Thill tanks we have a guy ready to go. If Thill is a decent game manager, al la Chad Pennington, we keep the kid as the back-up or trade him if we get a decent offer.

QB is the key to winning a championship these days. You won't win a superbowl without a top 15 QB. Even then you would need an awesome D, o-line, RB and HC. We have none of those and are nowhere near it.

thanks f4l, but that's impossible since I'm a blind homer... haha, jk...

I do like my protypical players. i like them to be stronger, faster, bigger, more productive, more agile, or be more explosive than the average.


Posted by: Grier | January 29, 2014 at 01:57 PM

No it isn't. You do realize they play 16 games a year right? Which averages to 176 games in 11 years. Divided my amount of tds thrown in his career.

Feeling pretty stupid? Wish you didn't put your foot in your mouth?

Posted by: Phins78 | January 29, 2014 at 02:16 PM


Seems someone had "red wings" on toast for breakfast this morning. He's stuck in "attack mode".

gotchya Marco.

agree with most here....simply put, well done Mando


gotchya Marco.

Posted by: Phins78 | January 29, 2014 at 02:21 PM


Gotchya? I think it's gotcha? You're kindly welcome sir. :)

gotchya Marco.

Posted by: Phins78 | January 29, 2014 at 02:21 PM


Well, you could have written "Got ya?". Again, you're so welcome "King78".

Best piece of journalism I've read on this story. PERIOD. You captured most fans' thoughts on this big sissy.

This whole thing has, from the start, sounded like a hostile workplace lawsuit on behalf of a gay man in the NFL.

Armando, ditto!!! I have to tell you that I have been asking myself why no one has called Martin on this whole soap opera. YOU NOW HAVE. You have expressed the sentiments of many that follow not only the Dolphins but the NFL. What team in their right mind would want this man in their locker room. What teammates would accept and trust this guy. I played high school football and when a player didn't do his part the rest of the guys would make sure he knew it. I'm glad that you had the co-jones to say what needed to be said. GREAT PIECE! Thanks.

gotchya Marco.

Posted by: Phins78 | January 29, 2014 at 02:21 PM

I was no Fielder fan either. I always thought Huard was the better QB, but Wanny was standing by his man. Its sad to see personal feelings for a person get in the way of whats best for the team. Real leaders put the best people on the field to win now. It's now always that simple of course, but as fans we are drawn to certain players over others.

Last season Clay showed me the greatest effort and passion on O. I know you like bigger TE's, but he is a player and gets results, we need him. I can see Egnew getting more playing time with Lazor, he has some speed and played well when given the chance.

Seeing how neither is a word a use gotchya as in got you or got ya. Are you hear to talk football because I'm not interested in chit chatting with lonely strangers, I have to leave soon.

"I can't speak to how this was covered locally, but up here - where no sports agency has a dog in the fight - either when it comes to the Miami Dolphins franchise or the NFL in general - the stance was to think this was "bizarre" and needed to hear more information come out before they formed an opinion."

Posted by: Mark In Toronto | January 29, 2014

Hey Mark. With respect, we're from the same town and I didn't get that impression from TSN and Sportsnet. They appeared to be parroting same national US media line. Perhaps McCowan on the fan took a more questionable view but not sure how many others. Sure, right off the bat when JM walked, all the media thought it was weird and no was was saying much. But as soon as those out of context texts and voicemail transcripts from RI to JM were made public, then the proverbial RI lynching began - and it was no different from up here. At least that's my take

Yeah, you all have anointed Armando "royal knight" after this blog. Yet, he refers to all of you as his "peanut gallery". Are any here familiar with how the term Peanut gallery came to be?

Those sitting in the upper theatre balcony, always showered the lower levels(peanut gallery) with the hulls while they enjoyed their PEANUTS from up above.

This what Armando truly thinks of himself and all of you(peanut gallery).

Posted by: Phins78 | January 29, 2014 at 02:29 PM


We luvya honey. Gotchya! :)

Armando, the "sociologist":

"No, NBC would probably frown upon this line of questioning because it would fly counter to the politically correct demasculinization of men in the 21st century"

Yes, "demasculinization" in a sport in which concussions are leveled multiple times and former players are killing themselves because of their brain damage...yes we need MORE of this type of "manhood"....or the "manhood" that's involved in a husband beating the crap out of their wife when he is "disrespected" that sounds like a "real man"...I can't believe that Armando asks if Martin is 11 while at the same time calling for an 11 year old response "stand up to the bully"! ITs absolutely absurd. Men still wield a disproportionate share of political and economic power in this society, women are still more likely to be assaulted by those "close to them" (i.e. their boyfriend and husbands) and women still make about .80 cents for every dollar that a man makes, BUT according to Armando we are being "de-masculinized"...Armando, you have now entered the state of being a fool as opposed to simply being sexist. Well done.


fin4life @ 2:14

Stanford plays in PAC-10, no? Not the WAC.

Posted by: ExposingTheFraud | January 29, 2014 at 02:16 PM

Sorry I meant the PAC-12! ETF as usual there you are to filter the mistakes!

C'mon, Armando, everybody knows his medical problem was suicidal ideation. This happens when a person gets so depressed that he/she sees no other way out of their predicament but death. Hasn't happened to any of you here, not just wishes but real ideation of ending your life accompanied with a definite plan, I will stab myself, I will shoot myself, I will throw myself from the 5th floor? If it ever happens to you, go to the nearest ER or call 911. It is a medical emergency. I see it everyday.

Mando,

Martin's lawyers are taking notes who to sue next :-); just kidding. Great article!!!

Posted by: Phins78 | January 29, 2014 at 01:51 PM

Tannehills stats are already better (save for yards and tds. BUT HE ALREADY HAS 7,700 YARDS IN YEAR TWO. One more year he will catch up to Fielder, 3 years to throw for over 10,000 compared to 11 years. 69 TDS in 11 years equals 2.5 tds PER YEAR. RYANS ALREADY AVERAGING 18 PER YEAR.

"69 TDS in 11 years equals 2.5 tds PER YEAR. RYANS ALREADY AVERAGING 18 PER YEAR."

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Tannehill ... 36 career TD's divided by 2 years = 18 TD's per year. You got that one right.

Fiedler ... 69 career TD's divided by 11 years = 6.3 (6.27) TD's per year. Not 2.5 TD's per year.

Same basic math for both players TD's/Year stats so tell me what I'm missing ...

For the record, I figured you just made a simple mistake. I wasn't attacking, I was kidding around.


Posted by: Sam I Am | January 29, 2014 at 02:31 PM

Mandos not too bad. He gets more right than he gets wrong. I guess it takes balls to lay his views on the line like that. I haven't seen the interview as he has, hopefully it will all be over soon. This BS has gone on way too long, we have work to do at this club !

Posted by: Will | January 29, 2014 at 02:35 PM


Wow! Someone in this blog that is actually "INTELLIGENT LIFE". You sir, may be on your way to being banned.

Did you not read the fine print associated with becoming an active member of this log? It states:

"Only Brainless club toting, women beating, egg stealing Neanderthals can apply".

I guess we both ignored those qualifications. :)

Nice work Mando. Enjoyed reading the unabashed Salguero!

AMEN!!!!!

You guys talking QB again. Nothing that anyone in the Fins org has said that has been printed would leave you to believe they are in the QB market.

Of course they wouldn't come right out and say they don't think Tanny is the guy but in Tampa you can pretty much read between the lines and tell there will be competition for Glennon.

I don't get that feeling from the Dolphins about Tannehill.

Gaine gone. No story there. Guess he will get an assistants job when Ireland becomes GM of the Seahawks.

YOU SUCK AT LIFE, JONATHAN MARTIN!!!!

TO finfan, just about the only show I pay atteniton to here is Bob McCown's Prime Time on the Fan590. Now, McCown totally bit into this bullying angle - but as Bob is known to do was away one day and that was the same day Tannehill and Hartline were publicly speaking the first time. Sid Sexeiro was guest hosting with Damien Cox and Cox and Sexeiro both found this odd and said we need more info.

On the Friday editions, when mcCown was doing his round table, he totally tried to drum up this bullying angle - but I loved the way Cox and Sexeiro represented the station that day.

Posted by: Marco | January 29, 2014 at 02:39 PM


EXACTLY, my man! It's been so tirelessly tapped, it no longer any news at all. Those still so overdialed into this needs to get a real life.

This is no longer here nor there. And many of those here, would not last 5 minutes in an NFL locker room. Their greatest bravery comes when hiding behind keyboard.

Haha, only people here ever banned ... YG and Home ... the mensa group...


You thought better of him as a journalist then to dispute the national narrative? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

Posted by: Phins78 | January 29, 2014 at 12:40 PM

Phins78,

Mando wasn't exactly disputing the national narrative back in November...

He was actually helping flame it.

This is a quote from him as info was still coming out -

Look, the people within the Dolphins organization claiming complete ignorance of the apparent tension in Martin's mind over Incognito and others are either lying, which makes them complicit, or out of touch, which makes them incompetent.

Either way, it is grounds for dismissal.

Phins,

That was part of a post by Armando entitled "Dolphins America's Team : For Wrong Reasons

Wow Armando, thank you for saying (or typing) what most are thinking but are afraid to say. I read your column all the time and don't always agree with you, but you definitely earned my respect today. Well done.

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | January 29, 2014 at 02:46 PM

Well, as long as fine print reads:

"Only the brainless should apply" you'll always be safe my dear.

Armando,

Best piece you have ever written! Well done.

1st good article you have written in years.
Congrats!

In Martin's case, his depression stemmed from being confined in what to him was a hostile environment that furthermore was taking away opportunities to achieve what he wanted in his career. Try to put yourself in his place. The guy thought he could not fight the whole System, so what did he do, flee from it, but never it should be to the extent of ending his life.

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