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The arguments: Coaching vs. personnel dept.

 

The NFL is about pitting opposing forces against each other in a battle for survival. It's about one team against another. An offense against a defense. A unit, perhaps offensive line, against another unit, such as the defensive line. Sometimes the NFL even pits a team against itself. Teammates practice against one another. Teammates at the same position compete against one another for jobs and playing team.

And at times like this, one department within a team may be forced to face off against another.

That's what it seems might have happened with the Dolphins Thursday. You see, if owner Stephen Ross's visit to the Dolphins training facility was what was widely reported -- a fact-finding mission to help the owner understand why his team was only 8-8 -- then Ross might have unintentionally been asking one department to face off against another.

On Thursday at Dolphins camp it could have been the coaching staff vs. the personnel department.

It was Ross meeting separately with coach Joe Philbin and general manager Jeff Ireland to find out why things went sideways in 2012. And he almost surely got vastly different answers to the same questions.

We already know Philbin believes his coaching staff, led by offensive coordinator Mike Sherman, did an outstanding job in 2013. That's why Philbin wants to keep the group intact. And it's pretty clear the personnel department believes it also deserves a continuing opportunity to upgrade the Dolphins because, well, the talent in '13 was upgraded over 2012.

But both cannot be exactly right when they're both responsible for a team folding in the final two weeks and losing as many games as it won. So here are the different views of the world:

The coaching staff's view: We did as well as we could under difficult circumstances and talent that simply wasn't good enough.

The personnel department's view: We provided enough talent to get this team to the playoffs and the development and coaching of that talent failed to get us there.

I'm not saying that is exactly what the two department heads -- Philbin and Ireland -- told Stephen Ross. But ultimately, that has to have been the general message for each to make a case they deserve to continue with the team.

Same team. Two different views of why the Dolphins failed to make the playoffs.

And, interestingly, both can score points. Both have a case. It's not 100 percent one department's fault why the Dolphins didn't reach the playoffs.

Consider, if you will, the issues I am about to present. I will give you the coaching staff's view of the issue and the personnel department's view.

The offensive line

The coaching staff's view: Are you kidding us? We worked a miracle with this rag tag bunch. Sure they allowed a franchise record 58 sacks but we lost two starters, we were working with an afterthought signing at RT that got benched midway through the season, we had to start Sam Brenner, a rookie undrafted guy, a couple of games. We might have used a rookie high-round draft pick to fill in but we didn't have any. We had Dallas Thomas but he didn't meet his draft pedigree expectations. We made Mike Pouncey into a Pro Bowl player. And we didn't have Jake Long.

The personnel department's view: We offered Jake Long nearly as much money to sign in Miami as he got in St. Louis and he made the decision to leave. We didn't cast him out. Also, he finished the season on the injured reserve list for the third time in three years so he simply is not a playoff-caliber LT because he doesn't last until the playoffs anymore. We had a solid answer to replace Long with Jonathan Martin but he freaked out. That's not the personnel department's fault. And even before that happened, we traded for Bryant McKinnie and he played well much of the time he was here. As for right tackle, Tyson Clabo was very good in Atlanta last year and was good toward the end of this season. He neither forgot how to play after leaving Atlanta nor suddenly remembered late in the year. His early season struggles was a coaching issue. Oh yeah, we drafted Mike Pouncey.

The run defense

Coaching staff's view: The two new linebackers the personnel department signed -- Dannell Ellerbe and Phillip Wheeler -- didn't pan out as advertised. They didn't play downhill. They didn't make plays behind the line of scrimmage. They weren't the upgrade we were promised. Randy Starks had a good year. Paul Soliai was good as well. We improved the play of Cameron Wake in holding the edge and developed Olivier Vernon into a fine player. We rock!

Personnel department's view: The two new linebackers did not play as well in Miami under this coaching staff as they did last year for different staffs -- Ellerbe in Baltimore and Wheeler in Oakland. And here's a trend: The two guys we got rid of, because this staff wanted an upgrade, played better for their new coaches than they played here for these guys. By the way, we didn't overpay for Starks or Soliai so they played harder in a contract year. And we drafted Vernon. What a bargain!

Quarterback Ryan Tannehill

The coach staff's view: He improved this year. He's still a work in progress but anyone who doesn't see he's getting better is a hater. Yes, he's got pocket presence issues. But Zac Taylor will take care of those next training camp just like he took care of the issue for ... um, nevermind. Tannehill cannot hit the deep pass to Mike Wallace but that's because Wallace runs too fast. Why did we sign a guy that runs too fast? We will get that taken care of next training camp.

The personnel staff's view: We drafted him. Fans said we overdrafted him at No. 8. If he was coming out in this year's draft he'd be No. 1 overall to the Texans. You going to get rid of a GM who finally found you a quarterback? Checkmate.

Mike Wallace

The coaching staff's view: He had a great season. We were given a player who doesn't fight for the football when it's in the air so his ball skills are questionable. He had durability issues in training camp and we milked him for a good, solid season. It's not our fault if someone, ahem, overpaid for him.

The personnel department's view: Wallace is a proven, dynamic, deep threat receiver who averaged 17.5 yards per catch in Pittsburgh and that's what he would have been here if the coaching staff hadn't turned him into a 12.7 yard per catch possession receiver. They always lined him up on the same side of the field. They never motioned him to get him open quicker. They never used him in the slot.

Brent Grimes

The coaching staff's view: We coached him back to his Pro Bowl form.

The personnel department's view: We saw something in him and were willing to pay what other teams, including the Atlanta Falcons, were not. We rock!

Reshad Jones

The coaching staff's view: He took something of a step back once those other guys paid him. We did the best we could and turned him into a run-stopping strong safety.

The personnel department's view: He was becoming a playmaker until those other guys couldn't find a way to stop to the run and started lining him up in the tackle box most of the time.

The rookie draft class

The coaching staff's view: They didn't help one bit. They were always hurt. It's as if they weren't there. We can't make chicken salad out of chicken, well, you know.

The personnel department's view: No one developed them. Great coaching staffs develop players as we go, even after training camp is over. This group gives up on young players after training camp so it takes a year to develop even the good players -- like Olivier Vernon. Trust us, Dion Jordan is a beast and Jamar Taylor will be good.

The running game

The coaching staff's view: We didn't have Reggie Bush. The offensive line fell apart. Daniel Thomas is just a guy. Lamar Miller is just a faster guy, but ultimately he's JAG.

The personnel department's view: Bush fumbled a bunch and was benched in Detroit. How do you think that would have played here? Miller averaged 4 yards a carry. We'll address the position in the offseason. And, by the way, you can't run the ball against Buffalo (the No. 26 ranked team against the run) if you don't try it more than 12 times. New England ran it on Buffalo 43 times one week after we tried only 12 runs. They gained 267 yards.

The collapse

The coaching staff's view: We had a bad game at Buffalo and none of the players made a play. That's a talent issue. Against New York, they played very well. We congratulate the New York Jets for the victory. They deserved to win. But everyone gave effort. We tried hard. We milked every last point out of a team that was so lacking in talent we were 3-4 against AFC teams that failed to make the playoffs.

The personnel department's view: We were talented enough to beat Phillip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Andy Dalton and Tom Brady but we lost to Thad Lewis twice and Geno Smith with the playoffs on the line? We were 4-1 against AFC playoff teams but lost twice to the last-place Bills and the winless (at the time) Bucs? That inconsistency isn't a talent issue. We had the talent to make the playoffs.

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John @ 10:14 - the Bills really brought the press coverage against us in the 2nd game and that led directly to a couple of sacks. Bigger receivers would help. We lost all our size once Binns, then Keller, then Gibson went down. Even Clay is a asmall TE.

It's fitting that the dolphins are average team, Even the Miami Sports writes are average = Omar kelly, Armando Salguero and the rest of the bunch.

*Writers

J T Sander,

You are right. No OC with ambition and talent is going to make the Dolphins their first employment choice. Others will look at the team and conclude it's a one year deal and could taint their career, especially if Tannehill and/or the offense regress.

Interesting article if this were really happen I think the Philbin and his coaching staff has at least 70% of the blame. I said before the season this team had the talent to win 9 to 12 games and if you look bad at
2 losees against Buf with a 3rd string QB
1 loss against win less Tampa with his starting RB out
1 Loss against the Jets Team at home a team they totally
dominated 3 weeks ago with the playoff at your reach
1 Loss against a Carolina team that we at the end play
soft defense and let them beat us in the last few
seconds

you can said that must of this losses were more Coaching that Ireland fault . them you have players that play much better for other teams that they play for us like Wallace , Ellerbe , Wheeler , Claybo , Dansby and Burnett that also said a lot
once again I think the best options here is for Ross to open his wallet and try to get Bill Polian and Tony Dungy or Scott Pioli and Bill Cowhwer to fix this mess because in my opinion this team underperformed under this regime Ireland / Philbin and if Ross decide to stay put with Philbin which i think he will at least he should make him fired the OC , OL and QB Coaches and if he can get a better DC also go for it ( Chudsinsky and Mangini ) just a hope

DC @ 10:14, I don't think it's the worst scenario in the world - would lvoe a more aggressive approach with our defense too but whatever.

Three years with the same coach, GM, and Qb - there can be no excuses for anyone at the end of 2014. Like you said, a one year prove it deal. Ron Rivera pulled it off in the same scenario.

Sigh...you think they way I do with regards to any decent OC coming here or even a good one waiting in the wings. You typed it up first, so you deserve the credit.

This story is all speculation. There is no story here.

It's so obvious to most of us that it is a combination of both. Players weren't always put in a position to win, the game planning mostly sucked, and the schemes didn't best utilize our talent. That's on the coaching staff.

Of course, there wasn't great talent on the field in many areas and, in other areas, the talent just plain stunk (OL in particular).

That's on the GM.
Ross really needs advisors to tell him that?

PLEEEAASE!

Sig, I keep seeing you quote this ranked 10th out all Qbs with 3 years experience or less. Where is this ranking from?

moving up and losing our round 2 pick to draft a defensive line project at #3 overall is a luxury only good teams with good olines can afford. Only a clueless acorn caresser would do that

I think Carolina fired their GM during the 2012 season; if only the Dolphins had done that, then the 2013 draft might have contributed more than just a kicker with a deep kick accuracy problem as bad as Tannehill's deep ball accuracy problem.

JT,

I could see a guy like Norv Turner being a fit in Miami. Veteran guy, been a head coach before, chance to make his mark on a team thats close, probably doesn't need the money or security, chance to work with a competent QB. Not sure he has any ties to Philbin but I think it could work. I still like this team. They beat themselves in a few games this year and I think with the right upgrades in FA and the draft, we're there. Just my opinion but thats what I see.

Ireland and Philbin will be tasked with making the playoffs next year or they'll be gone and I think all things considered that's the best solution. Thill should be on notice too. This will be year three and a make or break year for him.

Craig @ 10:22, as you's suspect, i'd be more than welcome to a change id defensive philosophy. It's obvious the talent is there .. and if you were to really upgrade teh talent on defense, what would you do? I mean besides cutting /benching Wheeler .. there isn't as obvious an answer as there is to the offense. So I think a change in philosophy would do a world of good. This unit has gone straight downhill in two years with this coach depsite numerous $ spent in free agency and top draft picks.

J T,

I think others have mentioned it too about the OC so we can all share credit (or blame). Lol.

Funny post mando!
Truly there seems to be a misconnection between ireland and philbin
If they think they made grimes the probowler then they really are a joke

Around 6.00pm i will talk about jimmy wilson!

Funny to hear all the fans comments. None of you run a business as successful as Ross and yet you guys have all the answers
Posted by: Craig

I hope you are referring to his real estate business because he is not running a very successful NFL franchise. Yet, you said you would like to see changes and welcome Scott Pioli at GM. Sounds pretty hypocritial while you are bashing the fan base for not knowing anything Craig.

Let's give Jeff Ireland a mulligan on the 2013 draft. All indications are that he won't allow any distractions to mess up his selections this year.

Ross wont can Ireland. He is a better snake oil salesman then Philbin aka The Crypt Keeper. Besides, Ross is big on mentoring, coaching lesser employees aka players and believes the hires he made are responsible for this aspect. So unless 2014 proves to be a playoff year, and I mean winning a game as a bye team and winning a game in the divisionals, all of them will be out of work come Jan 2015.

Mark in Toronto is right (as he & DC usually are). The Dolphins played too well too often for lack of talent to be the issue. The OL problems were real, but a lot of that was the Incognito/Martin craziness, i.e. COACHING.

Coyle also has to take the blame for a poor defensive year, compared to what our D is capable of. He needs to improve next year, perhaps change the scheme. But I wouldn't say "fire his ass" like Sherman & Co. need to be fired.

Mark,

I'm not opposed to replacing Coyle. This defence had a big hand in us going 8-8. I'm not convinced Coyle is the guy. I just worry the team isn't looking at this. I've always liked Leslie Frazier but I'm not sure what he'd do differently. Part of me thinks this team will become a 3-4 defence again with the loss of either Starks or Soliai. I think with the personnel we have we'd be better suited to run that. I'd like to see a lot more of Jordan next year and further good play from Vernon. I'd also hope for better health and play from Taylor, who I like a lot. Somehow they need to get better play out of Jones next year too.

Regarding the offensive line the Dolphins had the opportunity to get Brandon Albert for a second round pick before the season.That same second round pick provided NOTHING this season.

The Dolphins decided to go with Martin at left tackle and we all know how that turned out. My problem is that between Turner,Sherman,and Philbin they have over 40 years of offensive coordinator experience and could not coach UP players,could not make adjustments before or during games.Had no answers to our offensive line problems.

It's kinda the perfect storm when Ireland has had half A decade to find players to improve this offensive line,You have a coaching staff that wants to run a quick zone blocking scheme and Ireland has the slowest offensive line in the NFL.

So what we have left with is very little talent talent outside of the center position,wrong players for the scheme,no ability to coach up the players that we have,and no one accepting responsibility when everyone from Ireland and all coaches associated with the offensive line are responsible.

It starts with the OL and the QB. So those saying it was mostly the coaching can't have it both ways. The OL was probably the worst in football. That is PERSONNEL fellas, not coaching. Now, could Sherman have been more creative and roll Tanny out more, or have more designed run plays for him? Sure? Would have it fixed the offensive line issue? No way.

As I have stated many times, Ireland hasn't done us any favors and his track record speaks for itself- average after 4 years.

But some don't want to start over. I would like to know what the players feel. I would place bets that most could give a crap about whether Ireland leaves and probably support their coach more than we think.

Not that I am a fan of either, because my vote would be to blow it up

Tvegas,

It's 'hypocritical'? How do you figure?

What I'm. Referring to is all this guys who claim Ross is an 'idiot'. He's not. People don't get why he's taking his time with this. It's OBVIOUS......because its not a simple answer. If you get rid of Ireland who do you hire? Pioli seems obvious but he may not be the answer. Does he even want to come here? Would he want to work for Ross? Does like Philbin?does he like Tannehill? Maybe he comes here and blows it all up. I'm not sure thats what we need.

My point is its hilarious that guys have this all figured out. Ross doesn't have it all figured out and he lives this every day, 24/7.

From NFL Stats (QBs in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd year):

Foles 119.2
Wilson 101.2
Kaepernick 91.6
Dalton 88.8
Newton 88.8
Luck - 87.0
Locker - 86.7
RGIII 82.2
Glennon - 83.9
Tannehill 81.7

I tried to include only those QBs who were starters or who played a lot.

Of course, ratings are NOT everything. Personally, I'm shocked that RGIII had a higher rating than Tannehill. Also, Brady was 'only' at 87.3, so stats only tell part of the story.

I think you and I agree that the defense was very disappointing this past season and that another TE and a big WR (plus an OL) would help this team a lot.

In my own opinion, this team has too many needs to address after all the drafts and free agent signings of the Ireland era. I think they are a long way from being on a level with SF or Seattle.

Only referencing Ross' tenure as a football owner. His business accumen is excellent as told by his net worth. Onto the business of the Fins.

I lime Norv Turner as an OC/QB coach. His HC experiences are not too good, but he is an excellent OC...always has been. I know a lot of folks will freak at this but Wanny as a DC was outstanding as well. That said, I wouldnt let him pick a hamburger at McDonalds. He is the type that will show up at your doorstep with three magic beans in his hand and no cow.

Good article Armando, I'm no Ireland supporter but I believe coaching is the major issue. The coach is nothing special. Who on our staff would any other team want. Kacy Rodgers? Like a Quarterback, if you don't have IT as a coach keep looking. Philbin isn't a young man you develop either. Time for a Reboot...The Guy a would consider is Jay Gruden

Sigh, JT pointed out perfectly why we can't move forward with Sherman. He's stuck in his ways, the team can't improve with him at the helm.

Craig/Mark, you bring up an interesting choice in Leslie Frazier. He also has HC experience (like Sherman) which Philbin could use to bounce off of. He's a pretty good defensive coach. That would be an interesting proposition.

To Craig's question, is Coyle the right guy, I think like everything else, it's up in the air. Weren't we better stopping the run last year (under Coyle)? Did he not fully implement his system to utilize his personnel more effectively I wonder? Maybe he sees he needs to blend back to that old system (or find a hybrid).

I wouldn't mind a change at DC too, but don't see Philbin wanting to totally overhaul his staff (basically for 1 year).

J T,

I agree with you about Wanny. He was a very good DC at Dallas. He was horrid at drafting in both Chicago and Miami. Lol. I still remember his drafting of Fletcher (the CB) instead of Brees.

I never stated Ross was an idiot Craig. He is a waffler though? Yep, I would say so. His track record of decision making is not stellar by any means. For instance, letting Ireland and Peterson lead him on a dog and pony show to recruit Harbaugh while Sparano was still employed was widely criticized by everyone.

What do you think that says to future coaching prospects that might want to come to Miami?

The guy may be a genius in the real estate world but that doesn't mean diddly for running an NFL franchise. There are many great men that have left their legacy but have failed in many other aspects of their lives. Don't automatically assume Ross is a genius and the rest of us are dummies. You have a strange way of stating your points sometimes

Ah, I figured, basing it solely based on Qb rating. I would be very careful believing too much in just QB rating. It's pretty short sighted.

And the difference between 81.7 and 85 or 86 is not much at all.

And those crazy ratings for Foles or Wilson, consider that those two qbs only passed an avg of 24 and 25 times per game.

Keep in mind that Brees had a rating of 104.7 and passed 41 times a game. You think Foles or Wilson are in that class? I don't think so at all.

I think with Foles you may have a case ranking him top 10 this year but how much of that is based on that one game against Oakland? Subjective arguments but stil worth considering.

Tvegas,

So if the Dolphins win the last two games and finish 10-6 are they average? Why did they lose the last two games? Why did they blow leads to Buffalo, Carolina and New England? Part of that is coaching, part of that is the players and part of that is on Ireland. Totally agree the OL was abysmal. Thats on Ireland. Is it reason to get rid of him? Perhaps. But what about the additions of Grimes, and the drafting of guys like Pouncey, Clay, Vernon, Matthews and Carroll?

So there's a lot of good and bad. If the new guy could. Come in and fix the problems, then great. But I'm not convinced he would. I think he'd come in and do things his way, to put his stamp on the team. I'm not sure we need that.

DC,

I agree that Sherman needs to go. No question there. I just wish Philbin and Ireland were going with him. Lol.

Although I've been critical (or skeptical) of Tannehill's development, I will say that I have far more hope for him than I do in either Philbin or Ireland.

I agree with you about Coyle. The defensive collapses were not what I expected at all this year.

ask Dan Marino how important a running game is, he would have a ring if he ever had one, he never had a defense either. He always telegraphed his hand offs maybe that was the problem

Craig M,
the dolphins got blown out the last two games. What's this "if" crap. Are you clueless

.i don't believe we're that far away.improved OL, better running game and better run defence and I think we're there.
Posted by: Craig M | January 03, 2014 at 08:24 AM
This equates to 15 new starters,Yeah,real close.Boy are you ever so CLUELESS.LOL

The one thing that bothers me is that with 24 picks (includes trades for those picks) in the first three rounds since he became GM, Ireland has only one who MAY be elite at an offensive skill position - Tannehill.

The only other players who, so far are good to excellent out of those 24 picks are Pouncey, Ordick and Vernon.

The others are unknown, busts or no longer on the team (not considered worth keeping).

Ironically, Ireland does better in the acorn rounds. Too bad none of the acorns was another Tom Brady.

Doesn't make sense and if it IS that way then the Dolphins have bigger problems than we think.
---Craig M | January 03, 2014 at 10:02 AM

I don't know that they're bigger than we think, Craig, but I certainly believe Philbin and Ireland have been at cross-purposes this year. Philbin lamenting Bush's release by his comments of not having given Miller more carries during his rookie year is just one indicator.

DC, I agree about the Leadership Council and segment on Hard Knocks. I'm not trying to defend Philbin's actions- I was critical of many- just trying to say that he, as a head coach, would know more about who and what he needed than Jeff Ireland. And I don't think he would want to part with any player who offered many more positives than negatives to his team, as did Bush.

I think Ireland has an ego problem that wouldn't let him cooperate with any HC. I think that's the main reason many experienced coaches interviewing in Miami don't want the job if Ireland is to have control over personnel decisions.

both are to blame, but i would say the coaching staff take 70% of the blame.

the fact alone that Mike wallace was not used properly is enough. He should always be moved around to keep the defenses uncomfortable. He was so easy to defend this year being pasted against the right side line every play it is rediculus.

Sigh, thanks for the stats, though consider how that collapse in the last 2 games affected RT's average. I still don't understand how that happened (besides of course Hartline's injury).

Tvegas,

Where did I say YOU said Ross was an 'idiot'. Please read what I'm writing not put your SLANT on things. Where did i say Ross was a 'genius'. AGAIN your editorial.

What I said was, Ross is right to take his time with things. F*ck the fan base! They don't show up for games anyways. Do what's right for the franchise.

And I disagree with you on Ross. He's been a very good owner. Gives Ireland the money they need to add players. Is involved/interested in the team. Doesn't meddle where he doesn't belong,unlike Synder and Jones, buys up tickets so the fair-wearher fanbase in Miami can watch from home. Can't ask much more from an owner. You don't want a guy making knee jerk reactions like Synder does, forcing trades for RGIII on his coach.

tvegas, Tannehill threw his OC under the bus. Articles like that don't "leak out" unless someone has an ulterior motive. Tannehill could easily get on Twitter or through the team and publicly dispel the story as a myth or a lie. Why is he silent? Probably because it's true, he doesn't want Sherman. And why would that be? Sherman brought him to A&M, groomed him, brought him to the NFL in the first round of the draft, treated him like a son it seems. So why would Tannehill bite the hand that feeds him? He's a smart kid. Only reason I see is he believes he's not going to improve under Sherman's offense. And he wants to be successful (and knows time is short in the NFL to show what you have).

As far as Sherman play-calling based on his personnel, that's what ALL good OCs do! Ok, he was hampered with a horrific OL, then why not understand what you have and try to minimize it as much as you can? Like you said, roll-outs, misdirection, utilizing a QBs mobility, sending RBs (who can't block well anyway) out on passing assignments, use different formations (why the 11 ALL SEASON?). Had he tried all that, and they STILL didn't succeed, I would at least give him credit for trying new things. He didn't. He stuck to the same things, and they worked half the time.

True, had we had a credible OL, we'd probably been close to winning the division. But those are the breaks. Martin/Incognito was something the OL Coach SHOULD HAVE known about, not the GM. And I repeat, OL was NOT the reason we didn't get into the Playoffs, because they played ok (not great, but serviceable) in the final game (zero sacks for Tannehill and team rushed for about 100 yards).

So my question is, why couldn't the coaching staff gameplan and motivate their personnel to win that game? Clay did nothing, Wake did nothing, Geno had all day to see the field and the draw play was working like a charm. Jets missed a FG (we're only down 1 score), where's the motivation that this is OUR TIME from the HC? Or OC building off of that to tie the game (and give the defense a rest)? Ireland couldn't do anything about that.

I still believe this past draft will turn out to be a very good draft for the Dolphins. You guys have made your mind up after one year, then good for you. Philbin and Coyle have shown they don't play their rookies right away, that's their pattern. I still think Jordan will be a star in this league, I like what I saw fromJenkins and I think Taylor and Davis are talented enough to be good contributors. Most people make a decision on a draft after THREE years. obviously most of you guys are better than most people. We'll see.....

As much as Ireland has made his share of mistakes this entire coaching staff has done far worse. Why is Ross meeting with all these people anyway? Just to hear a bunch of bogus explanations and begging for their jobs?

Where are all these advisors Ross supposedly was seeking help for? This man is utterly ridiculous. Just make a decision already, it can ONLY go two ways: you keep both Ireland and Philbin with the latter firing Sherman (and all his INEXPERIENCED relatives) and possibly Coyle; or clean house.

And if Philbin puts up a temper tantrum for his butt buddy Sherman then he must be fired sir. The sheer fact he brought in people with ZERO experience to develop a WR into a legit QB should be grounds of firing immediately no questions asked (even worse if you consider his relation with him).

Unfortunately it seems that Ross himself is a fan of hiring inexperienced personnel. Do yourselves a favor and look the team's website and search the bios and you can only conclude why this team is an utter mess and is overlooked in league circles and NFL analysts unless you talk about Bullygate.

I know we always say "that's it, I'm done with this team but I have a feeling this time if Ross leaves the status quo that fans will REALLY show their displease with this aberration we have been rooting for.

Not to mention all the games we lost at the end by poor play calling. But the poor use of Mike Wallace takes the cake. There were games we lost that we could have won by double didgits if we used Wallace right.

The OC needs to be replaced. this falls squarley on him.

we had the personnel to go 8-6 and just needed 1 win to get in the playoffs.

We had enough talent to get into the playoffs.

Armando.I'm just a football fan in general.Not a DOLFAN
How does a 1 year away from rookie Head Coach get the
power to have the last say on his coaching staff. Our
brilliant Offensive Coordinator has GOT to go(!)Even I
have figured out that when Tannehill says"28 go,go" it's a running play & "28 go" is a passing play.This is
too much.By now,every defensive lineman & coordinator
should have figured this out.With this knowledge,the
Dolfins should have been crushed in at least 3/4 of the
games. If Stephen Ross ran his real estate business the
way he runs the Dolfins,he wouldn't have a business.
It's time to clean house.The only problem being is
that I don't think any of the real talent wants to work
for the Dolfins.Thanks for listening.

Sherman a huge coaching resource? Sources believe he is running the team enough said. You have to get rid of him and coyle they coach not to lose its a bland brand of football. What happened to coach Joe promising us a faster brand of football two practice fields at same time. Team doesn't use no huddle to keep pressure on opposing teams. These ooaches need to grow a pair. Philpin has two speeches written one for a loss and one for a win. All the locker room speeches should come from within not scripted. It is not throwing your people under the bus but your coaches need to b held accountable for there schemes and you for allowing it as head man. Go Go is what you guys need to do.

DC,

I agree with your last post. Its clear the Jets WANTED this game more than we did. They were playing hard for their coach. But why did they want it more than us? How is that possible? How come the coaching staff had no answers for what the Jets were doing? Thats not on Ireland, thats on the coaches and the players. The team was set up to succeed by winning one of those last two games. How come they lost?

Jets were less talented but more motivated.

This is a half-full, half-empty glass situation.

Coaching staff should be blamed for losing against Jets & Bucs, but talent wasn't enough to beat Saints nor Bills.

The final game was proof that this team requires adjustment in both coaching and management. Why? It's clear Rex Ryan out-coached Philbin in the most humiliating way, but with a better RB this would have been totally different.

Without running power Jets opted for less pressure more coverage, annihilating a desperate to win offense. Once Hartline got injured this became none sense.

So who's to blame for this season? Both and none. As HC & GM missed at important aspects of their roles, and as both collaborate in failure none should be finger-pointed of it.

But Jeff Ireland has had enough chances and his management has been an overhauling followed by another overhauling in his 6 years as GM.

Joe Philbin sticks to follow his plan with his men and I assume this is a work in progress and he deserves more time to prove his worth as head coach.

My verdict: Jeff must go to evolve.

DC- Totally agree with you man. I am not defending Sherman in any way. In fact, I think Coyle was pretty bad too, although he had some moments (like the NE game) when we made Brady look average. For the most part though, I never saw adjustments being made on either side of the ball and, for some reason, we liked to fold down the stretch. I am not sure Philbin is a motivator either and not sure he always handles delicate player situations properly. However, I would be willing to give him one more shot over both coordinators.

You know my postion by now. I am not in the Ireland camp, but I sure don't think our coaching on gameday did us any favors either

Hard to ignore how Phiblins team laid down on the last two games of the season. If he isn’t canned this year guaranteed it next season. Way under qualified to lead a team. Ran off all the leaders (players) of this team and got himself bullygate and zero leadership in big games as a result.

I would take Ireland over him but I think team needs a fresh start. Either that or let them go 5-11 next year and let new regime in 2015 have a top 5 pick to work with.

I have news for all of you. Stephen Ross isn't going to fire anyone, unless he fires everyone & starts with a new GM. Joe Philbin has a clause in his contract that only he can hire & fire any of his coaches & unless he wants to fire Philbin all the coaches stay. So like I said, it will be everybody or nobody & right now it's looking more like nobody. He went into his meeting yesterday with only Matt Higgins as an adviser & he knows absolutely nothing about running a team. If Miami loses next year only Stephen Ross will be to blame.

Clee,

Good post above.....

Not enough is made of the fact that Philbin wanted these guys gone,including Marshall.he's made his bed and he should be judged on the results. I'm cool with these guys for one more year but if they fail to make the playoffs next year, then see ya!

Ross thought he bought TD's and wins when he bought Wallace, but in Sherman's system Wallace is just another guy.

Craig-
I actually agree with you on Ross giving his staff leniacy and staying out of the way of the football decisions.

Here's the problem- His leadership has failed him year after year. If you don't see that being a problem, I don't know what to tell him. If you think we're "close" like many state year after year, what's the excuse next year? You defend Ireland's drafts and say it will come to fruition down the road. Maybe, maybe not. All I know is the last FOUR Ireland draft's haven't put this team in much of a better postition than when he started this journey. And, I'm sorry, when not a single rookie can contribute much of anything, fans don't have patience for that garbage.

But we can gang up on the Bills because they haven't produced anythign either and it makes us feel better to pick on the small guy. Fact is, I think you live up North and you should know there is more fire and exceitement in the Bills organization right now then ours. They have a passionate coach that doesnt sugarcoat anything, some exciting young players ( I would kill for their RB tandem), and a recent draft that just looked like it kicked our arses. If status quo is what you want, I can't stop you.

But denial gets us nowhere

How bout sign Cle C Alex Mack and move Pouncey to his natural position of LG.

Ireland has gotten exactly the players the last two HC wanted. I doubt Ireland said hey let's get rid of our two linebackers and bring in two new ones that are faster. That clearly was Philbin and DC decision.

Ireland may go but his only crime was getting sparano and philbin the players they wanted. The coaching sucks. we beat several playoff teams but fail to score 23 out of 24 times against the jets and bills in the last two games. That has to be coaching - or lack thereof. Philbin is totally clueless!!!!!

tvegas,

Come on.,man!, 'more excitement around the Bills'? Have you talked to a Bills fan lately? They had 20 per cent of their seats unsold for the game against us. Against their BIGGEST rival! Chance to mess up our playoffs plans and they couldn't even show up! I was at the game and it's NOT the same fan base. They're pissed off at Wilson, cause he takes one game a year away from them and plays it in Toronto.its not even part of their season. Ticket package. Most of them don't go the game. Most of them see it as the 'same old, same old' but they are optimistic about their young QB and hopeful they have the right HC.

IF you wanted to make this a straight black and white issue i'd say ireland and his staff should stay and philbin and his staff should be fired. but it's not black and white.

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