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Seahawks, Dolphins on similar paths until they weren't

Today's Miami Dolphins?

The Seattle Seahawks have been there, folks.

When Stephen Ross took over full control of the Dolphins in 2009, bringing one of the biggest wallets to the fraternity of NFL owners, it was only a coincidence that at league meetings the only other NFL owner with more billions to his name was Seattle owner Paul Allen.

Upon closer inspection that coincidence of resources would be only a foundation of similiarities we'd start to see between the Seahawks and the Dolphins. The very rich owner of the Seahawks, you see, faced similiar situations and initially took similar steps to what Ross has faced recently.

And while there were mistakes made, the Seahawks obviously corrected course.

Which begs the question ... Can the Dolphins correct course?

As recently as 2008, Allen had what he believed was a winning combination at the helm of his franchise. Well-regarded Mike Holmgren was his coach and unquestioned football authority. Holmgren had won a Super Bowl in Green Bay and wanted more power at his next stop. Allen, desperate to breathe life into his franchise, hired Holmgren and gave him all the power he wanted.

Holmgren was basically Seattle's football czar, as all the power on the football side of the organization belonged to him.

And it worked at first. Holmgren even took the Seahawks to the Super Bowl early in 2006. But soon things went south. After the 2008 season in which Seattle finished 4-12, Allen decided he needed to go in a different direction.

So Holmgren was gone. But general manager Tim Ruskell, who had become a favorite of the owner, remained. Fans wondered why Allen was so loyal to Ruskell after a 4-12 season, but the owner appreciated what Ruskell had done earlier in his stint under Holmgren. And, again, the owner liked Ruskell.

And this is the part where I remind you that in October of 2010, Dolphins football czar Bill Parcells left the franchice. He had some success in Miami. The Dolphins won the AFC East and went to the playoffs with an 11-5 record in 2008. You people would often write, "In Parcells we trust," in the comment section here.

But things took a step back in 2009 and 2010 was no better. And yet, after Parcells departed, Ross kept the GM and the coach the former football czar had hired.

Back to the Seahawks, Allen in 2009 went out to hire a head coach to team with his well-liked GM. And he handed the keys to the football team to Jim Mora who the owner believed was a rising talent in coaching circles. Mora was no fledgling coach. He'd been fired after a couple of seasons as the Falcons head coach. But he was young, and bright and well prepared.

So Mora, the new coach, and Ruskell, the previous GM, were teamed together.

The Seahawks made a big free agency splash (sound familiar?) with the signing of Edgerrin James and T.J. Houshmandzadeh. The team picked a pass rusher with the fourth pick of the draft (coincidence again?).

The team was in the playoff hunt for much of the season, but collapsed at season's end -- with four consecutive losses in which the offense failed to perform up to expectations (crazy, right?). Mora claimed progress had been made as the 5-11 record was slightly better than the 4-12 the year before. At one point before the season-finale he actually said, "... We're not that far away."

And that's where owner Paul Allen found himself in pretty much the same position Stephen Ross found himself in after 2012.

With a big-time football czar in his rear-view mirror (Holmgren rather Bill Parcells), with a general manager he admired and kept on from that czar still on staff (Ruskell rather than Jeff Ireland) and with a young, unproven but still promising and respected coach under contract (Mora rather Joe Philbin), Allen had a choice. He could clean house or keep everyone or fire the GM and keep his new coach that had shown he couldn't milk wins out of his team late in the year to make the playoffs. Allen in January 2010 found himself n the same situation Ross would be in January 2013.

(Let me rephrase: Allen got himself into a similar situation as Ross did. These guys made decisions that put them on the road they were on. These billionaires made choices that put themselves in their spots.).

It gets weirder. Allen liked Ruskell but didn't want to give Ruskell a contract extension. So the GM saw that as a show of no confidence on the owner's part. So he resigned.

Well, as you know, Ross liked Ireland but actually wanted to trim back his power for 2014. The GM saw he had lost the owner's confidence and the two mutually agreed to part ways.

So now Allen had no GM but a coach he thought had promise although the record didn't bear that out. Just as Ross had no GM but a coach he thinks has promise, although the record so far does not bear that out.

What happened next?

Allen fired the coach.

After one year.

He went with the option to clean house.

And he went out and hired the hottest coaching prospect he could find in Pete Carroll. And a couple of weeks later general manager John Schneider was hired.

And while it wasn't until this year that Seattle's success reached championship levels, the seeds for that title were sown immidiately. The new management drafted Russell Okung and Earl Thomas and Golden Tate that first year. They traded for Marshawn Lynch. And although they only managed a 7-9 record they also went to the playoffs and won a wild card game.

After a subpar 2011, the Seahawks changed their uniforms and logo in 2012. They drafted their quarterback of the future in 2012.

And there are other coincidences.

But it's impossible to get over the fact that while Allen and Ross's first instincts were similar -- have a big-name guy atop the organization, keep his GM when that big name was gone, hire a young, promising coach to pair with that GM the owner really liked  -- the Seahawks didn't really take off until Allen hit the brakes, turned the steering wheel and pointed the franchise in a totally different direction.

Now look at the Seahawks.

They're where the Dolphins long to be.

The Dolphins, as you know, veered from the Seahawks course this offseason. While Allen made the mistake of not cleaning house the first time a group failed him, he did so the second time. Ross declined to clean house after Parcells left and again in 2011 after he fired Tony Sparano. He kept the same GM both times. And now, he's fired that GM, but kept his coach thus declining to clean house for a third time.

That's where the paths have separated.

We know Seattle followed its course to the Super Bowl. The Dolphins? We'll see.

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Well folks, it's been a pleasure puppeteering Marco....pulling his strings for your entertainment. As you can see he is a trite lost soul searching for identity. (I think he is on the wrong track LOL)

Good night.

Marco didn't ruin the season, my drafts did, and so did Failbin for not playing my crappy acorns

Someone is obsessed and jealous of Marco....

Your job Marco?

How Big and Strong are you?

Some details would be nice you Big Twink!

6'4" douchebag. Its ok I understand you are upset and want to shift the arguement away from Thills stats. I wont

Thill.

1. 24th rated QB in the NFL.
2. 2 TD's in the 4th quarter in the last 11 games,
3. Regressed in passing yards per attempt.
4. Has a lower rating than any of the 2012 QB's to start over 21 games.
5. Has taken a knee on more sacks than any QB in team history.
6. Has led his team to all time lows in offensive production in games for passing yardage in 16 game season.
7. Actually regressed in ints per attempt from rookie year.
8. Has a 15-17 record as a starter in Miami, worst on the Dolphins roster amongst current QB's by far.

On and on. I know you are thick as pigs Shite but try to keep up.

nice to see marco douche get toasted and put in his place - a camels crack.

I see Marco likes to run away when he is being exposed for the fraud he is.

Stats mean nothing

Posted by: mike rowave | February 11, 2014 at 12:00 AM

Roasted. Ha ha, by who ? Im still here they have run away. You are here clinging on by your finger tips !!!

I see Marco likes to run away when he is being exposed for the fraud he is.

Posted by: Yeah You | February 11, 2014 at 12:00 AM

Run away or just got bored of your BS mate. Ill keep it going against you and your many names all night long if I have too. Thill is Shite and its great to see how this upsets you.

Just cause you don't have a job doesn't mean you can't answer the question.

6'4"? I didn't know they stacked chit that high anymore.

We all know you are not 6'4". But it is a blog and you have to lie to make you feel superior.

You didn't say how big you are. You just said how tall you are.

Details!! That is how we know you are lying.

You can give a bunch of details about T-Hill and how much he sucks.

But when it comes to yourself, you are extremely vague with the Details.

Missouri coach: Gay player may not be welcomed in a locker room like Miami Dolphins
by Andrew Abramson


A day after Missouri defensive end and SEC Defensive Player of the Year Michael Sam said he was openly gay, the debate has begun as to whether the announcement will hurt his draft stock or if he will be welcomed in a NFL locker room.

Missouri coach Gary Pinkel said he does believe Sam will excel in the right locker room. But after the fallout from the Incongito/Martin scandal, Pinkel singled out Miami’s locker room as a place that Sam could struggle.

“I think the incident that happened down in Miami with the Dolphins — I don’t know the people involved there, and I’m not really judging them, but when you have a locker room atmosphere like that, when people are verbally being destructive to each other and you call it fun, I think there’s a fine line there,” Pinkel said

Many names?

Ignoramus. I have only used one name. You are just delusional and think that only one person has an issue with your stupidity.

Posted by: Yeah You | February 11, 2014 at 12:07 AM

Iam 6'4". Why is it so hard to believe. Is it because you are so small. I'll give you my full name address and bank details my friend, only if you promise not to abuse the details ?

Many names?

Ignoramus. I have only used one name. You are just delusional and think that only one person has an issue with your stupidity.

Posted by: Yeah You | February 11, 2014 at 12:10 AM

Yes TROLL many names.

Keep being around the Bush.

I could care less if you are 6'4", or 7', or 5'4". I just know you are blatantly lying.

Would Ross ever trust a black GM or HC? Is there still racism and discrimination on the team?

Keep deflecting and lying.You are great at that.

why are we still fighting about tannehill ?

For tonight...

Marco is beaten and exposed, badly....

we should be able to move on from the qb debate, we have a draft and fa period to discuss.

marco is a troll that has always hated tannehill ignore him at all times, yeah you. though you seem like a troll too, so leave with marco.

Posted by: Gong | February 11, 2014 at 12:18 AM

no he is not beaten, they are equally weak and have nothing to offer the blog. brandon albert is now the top fa target for the dolphins, incase you fail to notice, we need him.

Dusty. WTF are you going on about tonight ?

Im gone Gong, yeah its all been too much and I have been beaten by the Thill fans again. The arguement is too overwhelming for me to cope.

Marco...dropping stats, figures, facts again?
How'bout these facts Marco?

My sources in the Dolphins organisation (?) just called and said that the Caserio dead is done. He has accepted the position and they are working out the details of the contract. News conference to be held Monday. Tuesday at latest.
Posted by: Marco January 25, 2014 at 10:09PM

Carserio (?) will report directly to Ross. Caserio and Philbin will make personel moves and Aponte will manage the cap and help to work contracts.
Posted by: Marco January 25, 2014 at 10:19PM

My sources are never wrong. They are within the Dolphins organization. The deal is done. Caserio is spending the evening in Miami to work out details of the contract. I am told Shula was contacted as a John Carroll alum.
Posted by: Marco | January 25, 2014 at 10:23 PM

Do not make me embarrass you with FACTS.....
Posted by: Marco January 25, 2014 at 10:35PM

My sources are never wrong. I stand by my statement. Caserio accepted the position and is awaiting contract details.
Posted by: Marco | January 25, 2014 at 10:28 PM

I am not a child. I am a grown European educated successful entrepreneur that has direct contacts in the Dolphins organization. Why do you think the Dolphins are playing in London next season?
Posted by: Marco | January 25, 2014 at 10:34 PM

Mr Caserio is still in Miami to work out contract details. Call the Hilton and ask for Mr Caserio.
Posted by: Marco | January 25, 2014 at 10:30 PM

Ok, ok I just called my people and they assured me that Caserio is in fact not the next GM. The job will ultimately be offered to Mr. Gaine. It satisfies the Rooney rule and keeps the team mgmt. status quo as Aponte and Philbin will share in the power. Seems like candidates do not like the power structure at present.
Posted by: Marco | January 25, 2014 at 10:37 PM

Only a Jests fan would still support Tannehill.

Dashi 6'1 250 isnt small. Porter was 6'3 255 and he did ok till his knees went. Our ends will cover the tackles to let that kid Sam go.And he is hulk like strong. If ray lewis could handle guards ,this kid is strong enough to get by as an olb.only thing,like you said,is his agility to move around when a tackle beats our guys.

The biggest problem left on this team is Philbin should have brought in a legit D coordinator and Ross should have fired him for keeping Coyles when he obviously sux.

Coyle is the nest coach we have.

"best"

I have read all of the posts about Sam coming out
I will tell you from my experience in the USAF, as a security policeman, that we had to shower up to 50 people at the same time in open showers in the military in the barracks in Iraq. There were 2 guys one from Texas and one from the Bronx that always picked on a much bigger guy, whom we all though was gay, but he would not come out and admit it. No one else had the guts to defend this guy, because he was bigger than almost all the guys in our squadron, and no one wanted to be seen as a defender of Gays. The 6 months we spent in Iraq were pure hell for this guy.

Yes times have changed in the last 5 years. Yes younger people accept gays more readily than older ones. Yes there is still lots of discrimination against Gays. Much more so than color of you skin. There is very little discrimination because of color. It is extremely rare.

No matter where Sam goes, he will have to be one hell of a player, and strong personality to not cause some disruption. In a 53 man roster there are bound to be some bullies. In Miami the slightest tiniest problem with this guy will be blown apart by the media.
There is no way that Miami will draft him, simply because they cannot afford another scandal.
The media will blow things out of proportion they will be asking teammates about Sam
Some players will resent Sam
Others will disdain him
Others might just stay away.
Finally some but very few will embrace him
I don't think there has ever been a brazen coming out as gay person before a draft before. Yes there were some gays in some teams, but it was low key, and they did not announce it to the news media so it was more acceptable.

In the end this guy will disrupt the team cohesiveness.
I think the NFL is like the Army and the AF
We have some smart guys that know when to shut up, and some low IQ guys who are great fighters, but they always seem to say the wrong things or trouble just finds them.
Whoever drafts him will need a very strong supporting cast in that locker room, to have him not become a distraction. It will take very strong leaders to make their voices heard. Of course if he is a Pro Bowler he will earn much respect, but ................. we will see what happens
If I was the GM I would not select him unless he falls to the 7th round, and I have a need for that position, then I cannot pass him up.
Again I base this on my days in the AF
I have been out 3 years now, but I don't think America is too different than the army and AF grunts.
When you ask for trouble you usually find it.
Draft a Puerto Rican from NY we are the best.

That was a great comparison Mando. We knew wheels came of the train the minute that the owner recognized his coach was of questionable ability to run the team. The day he went to Frisco to try and hire another/hc.

Privately I knew there was a problem when we overachieved and won the AFC east in 08. It screwed up the whole rebuild process. An 8-8 team believed it was Super Bowl bound with what amounted to a bunch of questionable players and a poor head coach who much like this coach failed to adjust at half time.

We needed another strong draft. And didn't really get it.

This year the oline needs to be addressed. A couple of decent guards and elite LT would be great.

We also need to draft players that fit the scheme the coach wants. If you are counting on lbs covering receivers or tight ends you need a tall strong lb that can run fast. Not a bowling ball lb.

Look at what Seattle has, what NE does with it's teams, emulate and win.

I don't believe in Philbin. Simply there are about 5 games that come to mind. The final game in NE 2 years ago where the team just laid down and then the 2 final games this past year. They speak volumes to how much the players want to play for their coach and team. My feeling is "Not so much." The New Orleans team where the team was called out on the field. Called out. Like we are going to beat you up tonight. And what did Philbins team do? They took a beating. Asses handed to them. Now if it were me, I would have changed a lot of things in prep for the game. First of all, I would have the rookies all fired up to play. And they would have in the first couple of series. Then I would have started subbing the the vets. Rub their noses in their paychecks and get them motivated. Philbin was vanilla and this team is vanilla.

Lets hope for a better year.


Anyone remember Ireland saying after last seasons draft "I nailed IT"!! lol!!!!

I challenge you to name one owner of one NFL team--or any other large corporation, for that matter--who is not YKW. Name one.

One story on 10,000 stories of how franchises make it to and win a Super Bowl. If there was a proven, well worn path to glory the parody in the NFL would be remarkable. But there is not. There are proven methods including good drafting and solid coaching and player development that can be sidelined (literally) by injuries and hamstrung by poor QB play.
Everyone begins a season or a new regime with the best of intentions. Only to see it slowly implode as bad Luck and the injury fairy destroy it all in a few short games.

Qb is not the problem.. look at the best offence ever to play the game 1990 Bills, 2007 Pats 18-1, 2013 Broncos all LOST why a great Defense !!!

NY Fish post at 11:38 is spot on. hartline left and wallace right every play was like watching a pee wee football offense. how can you be that stupid (sherman) ? Hopefully lazor will correct this and the entire offense. The fact that dion jordan didn't play all year is a joke. I was so excited when we drafted him over an offensive lineman, and the guy doesn't even play? jordan actually graded out well when he played, but who could get into a rhythm when ur put in for a play here and there. we didn't even move him around either when he was in. remember how good jason taylor was when nick saban was playing the ameba defense? he was unstoppable! this would be perfect for dion!

Seattle's a great city actually, I used to live there for a little while. Love their football.

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