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Too much? Will Joe Philbin come clean and answer questions?

When the Dolphins held their press conference to introduce Dennis Hickey as their new general manager, everyone in the organization who is anyone attended. And that means coach Joe Philbin, who was part of the interview process for GM, was there.

But as soon as the floor was opened for questions, Philbin left.

He obviously didn't want to answer questions about the interview process for a new GM. He didn't want to talk about Hickey. He didn't want to answer this question: "What responsibility do you believe you have for your relationship with former general manager Jeff Ireland deteriorating into dysfunction?"

I relate Philbin making himself scarce for the last of the Dolphins opportunities to speak with the press, and by extension you the fans, to get to this:

Philbin is good at not explaining what it is that troubles the Dolphins. He declined to take questions at the presser by simply fleeing. He often declined to explain what was wrong with his team in 2013, instead contending the club was "close." He declined to discuss the NFL scandal as it was happening by saying he could not talk about it because there was an ongoing report underway.

When Ted Wells asked Philbin questions, the coach made it quite clear he knew nothing that was going on. That was plausible to Wells.

That is unacceptable to me.

I don't expect Philbin to know every detail about every player on his roster. I don't expect Philbin to be aware of the interpersonal relationship between players away from the Dolphins facility. But a coach is paid to have the pulse of his locker room. Philbin particularly made a point of often telling us how wonderful the locker room culture in Miami was.

And yet, as Richie Incognito and his group harassed Jonathan Martin, often within that very locker room Philbin often vouched for, the leader of the football side of the Dolphins organization was completely ignorant to what was happening.

Stuff was happening at practice and Philbin didn't see it.

Assistant coaches were hearing and seeing and doing things and Philbin didn't know. And when he asked, they apparently lied to him.

Philbin asked players to "respect each other," according to the Wells report. And those players Philbin is paid to lead ignored the coach's wishes.

I don't know what's worse, the ignorance of the problem or being ignored by the players Philbin asked treat each other with respect before things get out of hand.

Either way, Philbin shows an obvious lack of leadership.

Will that get the coach in trouble? I doubt it. Owner Stephen Ross apparently doesn't see any problem in Philbin's lack of leadership.

I do. And I predict we haven't seen the last of it.

The Dolphins -- no, Philbin -- should have fired offensive line coach Jim Turner on Friday in the wake of that report. Didn't happen. The NFL might snatch the control from Philbin's soft grip and suspend Turner instead.

And when all this is over, will Philbin answer for any of this, the most embarrassing chapter in Dolphins history? I predict he will not. He declined to take questions about the NFL scandal when it was ongoing.

I doubt he ever calls a press conference and answers questions about the issue following the NFL's resolution of the matter. I doubt he answers why he didn't ask Martin why he walked away from the team? Why he never had an in-depth discussion with Martin about his May 2013 contemplation of suicide anytime after May 2013? Why he allowed Incognito to be a team leader when so many within the organization saw the guard is a divisive guy?

And if he doesn't give us some answers it'll be further proof -- up there with the losing record and two-game collapse at the end of 2013 and the dysfunction with Ireland -- that the Dolphins job may be too big for Joe Philbin.

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So basically fire Philbin we get it, I happen to agree.

only a bully would fire such a sweet man like Philbin.

Good one Armando.

He needs to be fired. Agreed.

Fire Philbin- hire Dan Quinn!

This is the whole thing in a nutshell, no pun. When as a self-respecting person, not to mention a grown man, is offended by someone's insinuations ; he or she draws a line. In some way what was done by the offender, is addressed.

If a friend steps over the line, a simple verbal indication is all that is required. If Martin never said anything to his teammates and so-called friends that their actions were disturbing, and continued to banter the same, this situation is his fault. That is if this is the real situation.

The other possibility is that he just rolled over on his team and friends to get an easy (cowardly) way out of not being able to play at this level.

Either way, Martin is a puss. Zonka should have been in charge of the investigation.

"Too much? Will Joe Philbin come clean and answer questions?"

The short answer is "no way." Philbin is in way over his head. Never called a freaking play as OC at Green Bay. WTF? What has he accomplished for the regard Ross sows him? Absolutely nothing.

What he is good at is politics. Look at how he owned Ted Wells. Look at how adeptly he skated away from the locker room travesty that transpired on his watch. Look how quickly he figured out Ross is porking Aponte and drew her into his inner circle.

Ultimately, however, it is Ross who is the problem as Philbin continues to hoodwink this feeble NFL owner.

Is Philbin responsible for the dysfunction in his locker room? Of course he is.

As I understand it, JMartin had bullying issues in HS and in the pros but not at Stanford. High school is high school and 90% of boys are extremely immature. By college let's say 50% are still immature and by the pros perhaps 80-90% have matured to a reasonable level.

So why did JMartin have problems in the Phins locker room but not at Stanford. Two reasons: Harbaugh coached at Stanford, Philbin coaches the Phins. I'll bet a week's pay the 49er locker room looks nothing like the mess we have here.

The real sad kicker is this: we knew Philbin was a worthless stiff long before all this came to light.

The fact that Stephen Ross thinks this feeble chump can lead an NFL team and earn the respect of the players is beyond pathetic.

Coltrane,

You obviously have limited understanding of how people react to a bullying situation. This is understandable if you are of limited intellectual capacity. Or if you yourself have bullied people. Calling JMartin a "puss' leads me to believe you suffer from both impairments. I suspect JMartin could turn you into a pants-pissing puddle of a "man".

I disagree. Martin found himself in a situation where he had to stand up for himself; he did not have the fortitude to do so. He went to his mama, and she stood up for him in the way that she knows best.

Don't get me wrong, I think Philbin was aware of the situation, and I think he has showed no evidence of being a competent coach, but there is no evidence to the fact that Martin ever indicated to his teammates that they were stepping over the line. That is all that was necessary--just draw the line man to man.

What a mess. Everyone should have been fired when Ireland was.

If Phibin knew nothing he should be fired.

head coach of an nfl team is not about calling plays or football strategy. its about leadership and command. philbin has none. he is a nice guy and thats all that matters in life - but not as the captain of an nfl ship. mutiny and taking on water. this ship is sunk.

Pouncey needs to be cut too.

So we are to believe that the coach we all saw on TV challenging players for untied shoelaces, elongated potty breaks, and general messiness, all of a sudden is unaware of the details going on in his locker room AND practice. When he says he doesn’t know he is either being honest or he isn’t, and either one is equally troubling…. Time for you to clean house Mr. #Ross.

Coltrane,

I doubt I would respond to the situation the way JMartin did but I accept that there are dozens of ways to respond to a crisis and we are all different. If JMartin was able to perform admirably at Stanford but not in Miami then that tells me the problem is with the organization more than it is with JMartin. Shouldn't a competent coaching staff be able to utilize all its talent to the highest level?

Letting the thugs drag JMartin down not only destroyed his contribution to the team but the entire output of the Oline. Fifty-eight sacks and one of the worst running games in the league? WTF? The fish rots from the head down.

Armando is a f'ing tool. He sucks up to the players who were actually in the room when this sh*t went down and said and did nothing. In fact, they strongly defended Incognito. Didn't they know?? Yet he rails against the coach who was rarely in the actual locker room because "he should have known." There is no way he EVER confronts any of them, even Pouncey, about their rolez other than to ask how "bad Philbin is at leading" and conveniently giving them an out and a scapegoat. Gotta keep those sources.

Iowa,

Killing the messenger is what folks who can't handle the truth do. Go stick your head back in the sand.

Well there you are wrong,Sam. I have been bullied, in school as a child and as an adolescent. Also, as an adult; I felt like a friend that I worked with intentionally tried to put me down in front of our workmates to promote himself.

When as a child, I let the first incident go and the treatment continued again; the next result was a fight. A valuable lesson was learned. A bully is easily recognized, and never give a bully the weakness he is seeking.

The incident with my friend,I let go for a while until we broke for lunch. During that time, the wound festered and I confronted him at lunch privately. We are still good friends, probably better than we we were.

You say I have limited understanding of bullying. I have the proper understanding of bullying, because I learned to stand up for myself as a child.

I don't feed off of the insecurity of others, but I don't let them feed off of me.

Coltrane,

I don't disagree that a bully is basically a coward and standing up to him/her is the right thing to do. But you didn't understand that until by a stroke of luck you stumbled upon the recipe.

JMartin came to understand the same but was unable to take the right steps. So what? That makes him the bad guy? Were you the bad guy before you figured out the formula? Why pile on a guy who is already struggling and suffering. It is the thugs who are the bad guys and not the victims who are desperate to struggle their way out of a quagmire.

Ultimately, it is the organization, whose job it is to WIN GAMES, that is most at fault for not knowing how to handle situations like this. Ross is a complete fool (anyone want to tell me that luck doesn't play a huge role in financial success?) and Philbin is nothing more than an administrator and a politician.

I agree Armando. Did that team look inspired for the last 2 games of the season? They were playing like it was a preseason game. Fire Philbin.

Coltrane,

You a jazz aficionado?

The scary thing of all of this, is, EVERYBODY knew what was going on and either did not care or took the "I can't rat on my team mates" stand. Either way; Ross should have cleaned house when he had the opportunity. It is doubtful that he will do it now; even though I would. It will likely cost us another stressful season; and what should have taken place this past season will take place at the end of the coming one. I knew something was majorly wrong outside of Tannehill's poor qb play. I sensed that there was a division on the offense. This would have been huge in Tannehill's favor, had he said something or done something to assist Martin, when he saw him repeatedly being abused. We just had way too much talent not to make the playoffs.

Bond,

Watching how Ross operates, it is highly unlikely that we are facing another stressful season. Several more stressful seasons are more likely in the offing.

Well, I believe that we are a QB and coach away from stardom. I just do not believe Ross will allow several more years of this almost crap to go own.

Hey Close,

When has Armando *ever* taken isdue directly with a player? He has a long history of bad mouthing coaches and management. Remember the high five? At least Cole sacked up, Salguero denied with one BS story after another.

Sorry, Iowa. You lost me with the high five. Explain.

OK quit being niave idiots. Was Philbin in the locker room showering with his players No. He was doing things a head coach does! To many of you people are clueless. Martin does not have the mentality to play in the NFL.Martin did not want to throw a crushing block down field because he might hurt a defender.let's see how many wimps and gays we can get on the team. Wake up morons!

He high fived Jason Cole in public when the Phins were eliminated in '03. Then made up provably false loes about why he was high fiving. Cole admitted his mistake and called Huizenga to apologize.

http://www.sportsjournalists.com/forum/index.php?topic=28983.40;wap2

racemn2,

How far did you get with your education? Just wondering.

What was going that does not happen in every work place there is ? You want diversity? You have it at it's finest. Be careful what you wish for!

OK, Iowa. Didn't come to this blog until 95 and didn't know who Salguero was until then. Maybe you have a legitimate argument. Not a big fan of Armando so I will not even go there.

I don,t think I stumbled on to the recipe, although i see where that could be perceivable. My parents taught me and i heard from their teachings to my older siblings to defend ourselves.

I look back at pictures of my mother from my childhood and she is absolutely beautiful. But my remembrance of her as a child is the strength she exuberated. I remember her telling me to pick up a rock or a stick to hit with in a fight. This is what she was taught from her parents.

I don't know where you are from, but we are from the South. I grew up in the sixties and seventies. We learned to never start a fight, but to never back down from one.

And I do like some jazz, mostly the smooth stuff. But Coltrane is my name, this is how I am referred by most of my friends.

Racemn2, um no. That is not common practice in workplaces. Especially in large organizations.

Sorry. That should have been 05. Fat fingers.

The Dolphins are a victim of Poor fan base. Credit yourselves!

Ross cannot be a billionaire

Philbin cannot be a coach

This is not real

WE ARE CURSED

racemn2,

How far did you get with your education? Just wondering.

Posted by: We're Close | February 15, 2014 at 02:48 AM

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I'm guessing he at least made it to grade potato.

Jason Cole was a much better blogger. He had issues with decisions but he at least would engage in a back and forth. He didn't shut down dissenters.

We're close. I have graduated high school and have a bachelors. Are you working is my question for you?

Mando - the tale is still to be told on Philbin but...did you ever think that maybe this was an isolated incident. It wouldn't have mattered if Vince Lombardi told Incognito to treat his teammates with respect. He doesn't understand what that means. The 50 other players did. To indict Philbin because one idiot run amuck (and had a couple followers,which bullies always do) is harsh.

OK, smooth jazz Coltrane. I am a huge Miles Davis fan.

Point is, you were raised that way. The South is renowned for its fighters. Almost won the Civil War with half the economic resources of the North. JMartin was raised in CA. Different culture. Cut him a break is all I'm saying.

Ross is not firing Philbin...stop wasting your time typing that message. He is the Dolphins coach for at least 2014 and probably beyond.

I work in a very diverse industry. I see it all the time. I am just tired of hearing about all the excuses people come up with. This team and it's fans are borderline pathetic. One day Armando says this the next it's that. Was it a good situation that transpired? No!
Question for you all? Ray lewis, you OK with him being an analyst?

We're close. Are you working is my question for you?

racemn 2 - I agree, I'm tired of the "gaying" of football (and everything else for that matter). Martin is soft, period, end of story. Everyone go home.

I equally am saying that his upbringing is a problem with his ability to handle this situation. I also am saying that his character is equally at fault. Some people simply have no gumption.

racemn2,

Thanks for calming down. I have a masters in business and yes, thankfully, have a good job.

fatty,

I agree we can't hang Philbin over one incident. It is the pattern and connecting the dots that has convinced me the guy cannot hack it in his present job.

Ross KNEW the conclusions of the Well's report in advance. He's admitted as much. And yet, Jim Turner has not been fired. It's not like he's a jrkoff AND a GREAT coach. He's just a jrkoff. Why can't Ross close and/or make an executive decision? EVER!

ds,

If Turner is not gone by end of next week, I give up on this POS org until Ross is no longer pulling the strings.

Guys. I am a loyal Dolphins fan. Have been since I could really understand the game and for me that was about 12yrs old. They did not have pee wee leagues or anything like that then. Todays parents do bad job of educating the kids on what it takes in life to get through without any handouts. Now days look at the economy, why? Because we did not educate them to support themselves. Sports are a luxury, a bonus, the best excel and make it. The rest of us have to go out and do what we can to to survive. I AM TIRED OF THE EXCUSES.Look yourself in the mirror. The NFL is playing into the race card, the gay card the excuse card. Quit buying into controversy do your part and it will be fine.

Philbin has the authority of coaching personnel. I think everyone in the Phins knew in advance the Well's decision. Ross already put the finger on Philbin to get rid of Sherman. We have a new man in the waiting; let it happen.

racemn2,

You do realize we're in the 21st century now, don't you? I'm 60 and can keep up with the changes. So can you.

: We're Close
I do realize that, does that make it right? You can not give someone something without taking it from someone else. I hope your retired and doing well. I wont have that luxury the way its going I will be working till I am 70 or dead because of the excuses people get away with now. Look at this. I dug this up just for you: we're close

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.



The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan".. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A.... (substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).



After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.



The second test average was a D! No one was happy.
When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.



As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.



To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed. Could not be any simpler than that.


These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:



1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.



2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.



3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.



4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!



5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

Makes complete sense !

Well,

When a franchise goes from the top to approaching the bottom in half a lifetime, the deterioration of the fan base to this degree is to be expected.

Not sure how many of you guys realize this but watch this video. Crowd noise could stop a game! You will be proud of your Dolphins! Enjoy fellas!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsjIVYZtLOY&list=FLXaPvtOONMSYNPE394A21Hw&index=1

Maybe if we still had fans like this we could win a couple more games year?

racemn2,
I would suggest to you to acquire a more eloquent manner in which to expound your opinions. However, I do not disagree, if I properly understand.
I also think there is a grave problem with the entitlement system. There are many people drawing money from the SYSTEM that should be working.

I think the elderly and the truly disabled should get benefits. The problem is that too many system players are on the payroll.

The system needs an overhaul. If any of you remember Reagan put this crap to right. He put in an investigation of the people getting government(our) money, and corrected the mis givings.

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