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Too much? Will Joe Philbin come clean and answer questions?

When the Dolphins held their press conference to introduce Dennis Hickey as their new general manager, everyone in the organization who is anyone attended. And that means coach Joe Philbin, who was part of the interview process for GM, was there.

But as soon as the floor was opened for questions, Philbin left.

He obviously didn't want to answer questions about the interview process for a new GM. He didn't want to talk about Hickey. He didn't want to answer this question: "What responsibility do you believe you have for your relationship with former general manager Jeff Ireland deteriorating into dysfunction?"

I relate Philbin making himself scarce for the last of the Dolphins opportunities to speak with the press, and by extension you the fans, to get to this:

Philbin is good at not explaining what it is that troubles the Dolphins. He declined to take questions at the presser by simply fleeing. He often declined to explain what was wrong with his team in 2013, instead contending the club was "close." He declined to discuss the NFL scandal as it was happening by saying he could not talk about it because there was an ongoing report underway.

When Ted Wells asked Philbin questions, the coach made it quite clear he knew nothing that was going on. That was plausible to Wells.

That is unacceptable to me.

I don't expect Philbin to know every detail about every player on his roster. I don't expect Philbin to be aware of the interpersonal relationship between players away from the Dolphins facility. But a coach is paid to have the pulse of his locker room. Philbin particularly made a point of often telling us how wonderful the locker room culture in Miami was.

And yet, as Richie Incognito and his group harassed Jonathan Martin, often within that very locker room Philbin often vouched for, the leader of the football side of the Dolphins organization was completely ignorant to what was happening.

Stuff was happening at practice and Philbin didn't see it.

Assistant coaches were hearing and seeing and doing things and Philbin didn't know. And when he asked, they apparently lied to him.

Philbin asked players to "respect each other," according to the Wells report. And those players Philbin is paid to lead ignored the coach's wishes.

I don't know what's worse, the ignorance of the problem or being ignored by the players Philbin asked treat each other with respect before things get out of hand.

Either way, Philbin shows an obvious lack of leadership.

Will that get the coach in trouble? I doubt it. Owner Stephen Ross apparently doesn't see any problem in Philbin's lack of leadership.

I do. And I predict we haven't seen the last of it.

The Dolphins -- no, Philbin -- should have fired offensive line coach Jim Turner on Friday in the wake of that report. Didn't happen. The NFL might snatch the control from Philbin's soft grip and suspend Turner instead.

And when all this is over, will Philbin answer for any of this, the most embarrassing chapter in Dolphins history? I predict he will not. He declined to take questions about the NFL scandal when it was ongoing.

I doubt he ever calls a press conference and answers questions about the issue following the NFL's resolution of the matter. I doubt he answers why he didn't ask Martin why he walked away from the team? Why he never had an in-depth discussion with Martin about his May 2013 contemplation of suicide anytime after May 2013? Why he allowed Incognito to be a team leader when so many within the organization saw the guard is a divisive guy?

And if he doesn't give us some answers it'll be further proof -- up there with the losing record and two-game collapse at the end of 2013 and the dysfunction with Ireland -- that the Dolphins job may be too big for Joe Philbin.

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Really hate to bring this up. But it does apply to this Philbin situation VERY DEEPLY.

Philbin missed the tell tale signs of HIS OWN sons suicide. Why would he know what to ask Jonathan Martin as to contemplating suicide.

Philbin missed the obvious signs that led to the demise of his OWN NEAR AND DEAR son. So how would he not miss the signs leading to the demise of this franchise?

Like I said, I deeply hate bringing up about Philbin's deceased son. But, it shows history of Philbin blatantly obvious, missing sign leading to demise of things which he is entrusted to be in charge.

Coletrane,

Would you much have these so called leaches on system committing crimes in your local neighborhoods?

Many of these people are not leaches, just need legitimate hand ups, not hand outs. As for finding jobs, America hasn't seen a period like this since the depression.

Do this Coletrane, quit your job today and see how long it takes to find the next one. People gotta survive. As a people, Americans need to band together to give each other a hand up.

One way or the other, we LL still pay the tab. We either lend each other a hand up. Or even more of our tax money will go to jails and prison. Because we have to house and feed them there and build new jails and prisons to house the massive overflow.

The answer to these issues are not as simpleton as some may wish to think.

People are not going to sit idlely bye and just starve while waiting to die. They will get what they NEED one way or the other.

Technology has decreased the demand for huge work force. Then add in massive amounts of jobs have been moved overseas, where the labor is FAR MORE cheaper.

This isn't the same America you may have been used to even 15yrs ago.

Sam I agree, Philbin sux. I hope this is an attempt to change the subject to football--a much more amenable subject.

30yrs ago, the American workforce had the HUGe companies by the ball because of the demands for a Huge workforce.

Now, in the age of great technological advances, they now have us by the balls. They no longer need huge workforces. Even companies who still do have moved overseas to pay FAR LESS in wages.

Welcome to the "new and improved" America.

Coltrane, it will really sux if eventually found that Philbin has his head buried as deep up his ass as Ireland's head was buried into his.

Philbin's head was buried deep enough up hi ass, he didn't recognize his on son's coming destruction.

I agree Philbin has ducked every question regarding bullygate until the Wells Report is complete. Now the report is complete and the findings are shocking. Philbin must answer on the conduct of Turner towards Martin, Jackson and Garner. Philbin must now be forced to back Turner and actually condone his behaviour. Now Philbin has the knowledge that Turner did according to witnesses conduct behaviour that was in breach of employment law.

Philbin in my opinion did know what was going on, he just chose to ignore it. Sherman was Philbins boss and he loved Turner and told Joe he would be the o-line coach, as he did with Taylor as the QB coach. This regime headed by Philbin is no meritocracy, its a dictatorship, which goes deeper than football.

Ross and Philbin are linked in other ways completely outside the football world. Just think about it !!!

How many have actually read the report? I find it be a slanted piece of self promoting BS and hardly impartial nor surprising. There's my conclusion Mr. Wells...so excuse me if I don't get all worked up.

The "report" told us it was a comprehensive discussion of the relevant facts.....really?

The 'old boy' network at work in the Miami Dolphins. In Miami under Ross football ability, coach or GM has little to do with talent. Ross supports Philbin because they are in the same guilds and societies. Think about it !!!

How many have actually read the report? I find it be a slanted piece of self promoting BS and hardly impartial nor surprising. There's my conclusion Mr. Wells...so excuse me if I don't get all worked up.

The "report" told us it was a comprehensive discussion of the relevant facts.....really?

Posted by: Bad Phans | February 15, 2014 at 04:53 AM

I haven't read the report, I take it you have ? Is the abstract on Turner and his abuse of other players false ?

Really how can people comment on something...they haven't read for themselves? Let me know when you have read the report so we can have an informed discussion. I'll admit it's a boring difficult read but necessary.

Ok,Sam--I work for a Japanese owned industry in America. I am one third of the personnel that keeps this company going. That is my job--keep everyone going.
I see the American industry in a perspective many do not.

I would like to go back to the days of American owned American served. I can't see it . And this company has many benefits above many others I have worked for. I see the Chinese as the invaders. This company has a 'grandfathered in' status in my opinion.

HEY MARK!

How is this for PROOF????

http://63bba9dfdf9675bf3f10-68be460ce43dd2a60dd64ca5eca4ae1d.r37.cf1.rackcdn.com/PaulWeissReport.pdf

Lol.....

Sam, I had a response to the whole industry topic we were on; it did not make it thru the sensors. Maybe next time.

HEY MARK IN TORONTO!!!

How is this for proof?????

http://63bba9dfdf9675bf3f10-68be460ce43dd2a60dd64ca5eca4ae1d.r37.cf1.rackcdn.com/PaulWeissReport.pdf

lol......

PHINS 78!!!!!

Mr. 30 years in a LOCKER ROOM.....

I hope to be hearing from you soon....

I said it before and I say it again: If you are in charge of an organization and you foster an environment in which things like this can happen you should bear the consequences.

Coach Philbin comes across to the public as a very nice and caring guy, but this could be his public side only while he acts totally different in private. Ok I know these are all assumptions but I personally know a lot of people who act nice and are totally immune to feedback on the other side. And if you know those people yourself, you know it really does not matter to them if the feedback comes from peers, friends or family. They just have it their way and their way only. At the end of the day it makes them blind to all what’s going on around them. With people like that you just tune out and start not to try to give them feedback anymore because you know nothing will change anyway. I know a lot of very successful people in business like that. But normally they end up being very alone and disconnected there on the top.

My hypothesis is that Coach Philbin might belong in this category and he should be accountable for his actions. If not then maybe Mr. Ross needs to take a closer look. Here some examples:

• Bush, Dansby, Long went to his office to ask how to handle the Ochocinco story better in the future (Hard Knocks 2012). We all know they had no future after that discussion with Philbin none of them was part of the 2013 team. Philbin immune to feedback? Maybe.
• Philbin and Ireland blaming each other for mistakes. Philbin immune to feedback? Maybe.
• Assistant coach Naohisa Inoue not coming forward when being harassed by players? Maybe because he is afraid of losing his job like Long, Bush, Dansby? Philbin immune to feedback? Maybe.
• It also looks to me that there was quite a disconnect with OL coach Turner because if you hear what Philbin said about integrity and so on and how Turner ran his own little kingdom it looks like Philbin had no clue about Turner giving a “Male blow-up doll to one of his players”, etc. – by the way great job coach. If these are the people you bring in to foster the environment you would like to establish than ok, but you better be accountable for it.
• If the story is true that Philbin wanted to get rid of Incognito before 2013 and Ireland made the call – ok Ireland left. But if you don´t want Incognito on your team why make him a leadership council member – are you freaking kidding me. At the end of the day that’s your call and you should be accountable for it.
• Etc. I think you get the point

By the way great job by Mr. Ross to lose all his favorite GMs because he wanted to keep Philbin and probably will have to finally let go anyway. It will be hard for the newly hired coaches Lazor, Duffner and Benton if the Fins now would axe the HC. I would have loved to see what Lazor could bring to the table by the way.

In this case the Fins will lose the last bit of credibility if there is some left (which I honestly doubt). And maybe we need to reconsider Hickey again as well, because everybody tells us that he and Philbin are getting along super well and are on the same page and I really really do not know if I can or want to handle this anymore.

GOOD LUCK PRESSING THE RESET BUTTOM FINALLY – BUT PRESS IT HARD!!!

Posted by: Bad Phans | February 15, 2014 at 05:08 AM

If you have read the 1400 page report, then you are some man. I would take it that the extracts are true. If the Herald or any other media outlet mis-quoted the report legal action could be taken against them. Turner has not denied any of the early reports of abuse and Philbin now has to comment.

If you have read the report, you would know if Martins accusations towards Turner were true ?

I said it before and I'll say it again; a child that did not know how to handle an adult circumstance went to his mama--the lawyer.

PHINS 78!!!!!

Mr. 30 years in a LOCKER ROOM.....

I hope to be hearing from you soon....

Posted by: Kris (In Germany) | February 15, 2014 at 05:25 AM

Well said Kris. Philbin will try to wriggle out of this one again. The report is a complete contradiction of Philbins account. Turner lied to him, or Philbin turned a blind eye to the abuse. Either way Philbin has to can Turner and he looks really weak and unable to control his players or coaches. Truly pethetic !!!

Posted by: Bad Phans | February 15, 2014 at 05:08 AM

Just going to pour a mug of Joe and read the report that Kris linked up for us.

The report is 144 pages not 1400 pages. Keep trying to convince yourself though that you don't need to read any of it to be informed. I'm fine with that if you want to just repeat what others have reported and not come up with your own conclusions based off the report.

I wonder why we all of the sudden hired an assistant line coach?

Read it up Marco...

I plan on dropping many nuggets from this report over the next week or so....

When things looked bad for Martin I all of this.... I conceded points on this form to the two afore mentioned....

Now that the FINAL WORD on this topic is published.....will sack up and do the same....

Or will they just try and rationalize it away... ..

Will they....

There are others as well... But they are far to foul mouthed and rude to carry on a conversation with...Internet gangstas....or I call them....THUMB THUGS...

Never anything of substance to say.... Just a mom joke here....slept with your wife there....and to top it off...9 times out of 10....those others are totally confused by the conversation after about the 3rd post....

I wonder when Philbin is getting fired....next week....6 games into the season.....or do we have to go thru another firing and hiring next off-season....

Which is it Mr. Ross....

I read that Philbin and the new GM don't have a lot of rope left for Tanne to hang himself with....

This thing is very close.....to getting blown-up....

Mallett is a FA next year.....

Look what another 6-6 statue of a QB is doing in Philly.....

It's not about athleticism.....it's about accuracy....always has been....always will be.....

Link....as always....

spn.go.com/blog/miami-dolphins/post/_/id/5298/report-tannehill-on-shorter-leash-in-2014

Armando,

Ross should have chosen Mike McCoy to coach his Dolphins. The team never would have had Mike Sherman as OC or perhaps Ryan Tannehill would not be the QB. That said, we have to deal with reality. Philbin is going to be the coach no matter what happens for the next season. We all realize now that Stephen Ross is loyal to a fault. So no matter what you believe on Joe Philbin's knowledge of the Incognito, Martin fiasco, it does not matter. Just like Ireland, Joe will have his chance to prove he can coach next season. If or when he does not make the playoffs, he will be replaced.

Kris, I made an attempt to read this drivel. Good luck with it.

It reminded me of the kids telling me about the cat chasing squirrels around the pecan tree. I love that cat, I just wish I could hear his rendition of the story.

Coltrane....

I think it's a good report...but for the most part....I have been in the Martin camp all along....

With the exception of a few reports that came out...and made me think Martin had to take responsibility for his part in some of this....

Besides...COGS is just going to lie anyway.....that's what he does....

Alright....

Going to take a nap....driving to Belgium in a few hours....

Not for waffles...but furniture..... :(

The once proud franchise and to think that last year at this time there was so much promise.

1) Incognito and Jerry are FA's and they are gone
2) release Martin
3) trade Pouncey (I can see good teams with a solid leadership giving up a low 1st rounder for him: think SEA, SF, BAL, etc)
4) sign Mack or De La Puente with the money that would have served for Pouncey's extension

If you have read my previous posts, you know how I feel; my perspective hasn't changed. I have little respect for Martin, Philbin or the investigation.

To make myself clear on another front, I don't support Cogs or any of the others on their endeavor to demean others. But I have seen this type of person with their need to ascend above others; their will to be accepted is the driving force behind their aggression.

Orlando I dis agree with you. This article is written like a journalist pissed because he can't convert the coach into a source. Coach Philbin guided this team to a 500 record despite the fact that it loss 2 starting lineman off a already ridiculously ineffective line and was rocked by one of the biggest locker room scandals in history and you are trying to make the case that this job is to big for him, really!

He does not owe us any answers he has said the thoroughly obtained (independent report) made it clear and the players made it clear that he was intentionally kept out of the loop.

I spent 26 years leading soldiers in the Army and trust me when you reach higher levels of leadership there are going to be many things that your junior leaders know that you don't especially if they are complicit with the perpetrators.

To say this guy should have known is fair after all what happens and what fails to happen is always the responsibility of the leader of an organization.

To say this guy was in over his head or the job was to big frankly sounds personal. How many coaches would have held this team together for the most part this year despite the aforementioned.

Lastly Coach Philbin inherited every one of these players from a ineffective General Manager. Richie Incognito should have been dismissed many years ago but Jeff Ireland was concerned about his ego and being wrong and he kept this clown around.

Let the report stand on its own merit and do not try and turn this into another scandal it is what it is. This team will not be better if we fire our coach and start over with a new staff a this point. You sound like one of these idiot fans that don't realize that teams with no continuity never win. Go to Cleveland if you like seeing coaches fired and a loser on the field for years.

Armando,

The Wells Report most likely only proves that one can never trust Lawyers. Martin's parents are attorneys and who knows what connections or knowledge they may have about Ted Wells.
This is why they are considering using Lawyers for experiments instead of rats: Lawyers multiply faster than rats, people become less attached to Lawyers than they do to rats. Moreover Lawyers will do certain things that rats will never do.......

The Wells Report most likely only proves that one can never trust Lawyers. Martin's parents are attorneys and who knows what connections or knowledge they may have about Ted Wells.

This is why they are considering using Lawyers for experiments instead of rats: Lawyers multiply faster than rats, people become less attached to Lawyers than they do to rats. Moreover Lawyers will do certain things that rats would never do.......

Possibly Philbin does not agree with the report Mando??? I don't agree with it either so there. Not saying Cogs is a good person or innocent I just believe it is not impartial.

Actually, not seeing many people around Dolphin fan sites that agree with the Wells "report". Of course here we have a lot of trolls so here's it s a just an opportunity for the same crew to pile on the Phins.

I think Incognito is secretly gay. He used his bullying and strip club act to cover up that he is really an NFL player that is a homosexual and couldn't come to terms with it, so he hid behind the tough guy act to mask that he really likes men.

The BOTTOM LINE here is that Steven Ross is a business man from NY that bought himself a toy in Miami. His priority is his multi-billion dollar business. Which is fine. The problem is that the toy that he bought is a complex one. A sports team belongs to the citizens of that sport's team's city and to all the fans of that team. The actual owner of that team usually understands this. He knows he has a responsibly to those fans, on most cases the owner is a passionate fan himself, so the owner usually immerses himself in the team. Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder wear Cowboys and Redskins underoos. They live and breathe their team.
If given a choice between continuing to run their businesses or their team, they would choose team and hand their businesses off to someone.

I saw Ross on CNBC with the morning hosts a few weeks ago. He was there to pitch his company but the hosts started ribbing him about his team. His reaction? Sphinx-like. Did not smile or engage in the football back and forth common amongst fans of different teams. My feeling was that of watching someone on the spot and uncomfortable. I honestly got the impression he knew very little about football. The telling last question was when they asked him if he was upset that the super bowl was in ny and not Miami. His answer? "I'm a Newyorker, I'm happy for anything that benefits this area".

So he is an outsider to our city, our team, our sport. He surrounds himself with advisors that don't understand the Dolphins or their fans (fins-up, orange carpet, club liv, tebow/gator day), hires coaches and team personnel as if he is hiring middle managers for his business (Philbin would be a great "yes man" in the Related organization). He cares about saving face and he cares about the people he is rubbing shoulders with as an owner. He cares for dolphin fans as customers and consumers (numbers). He does not care about the team like we do. He didn't live through the thrills and pains of the Marino years. The horror of that Jacksonville loss in the playoffs. The hope that came with Saban, the anger when he left.

In short, he is not one of us. Cowboys, Redskins, Jets, Patriots. Colts fans might disagree with their team owners moves, but they know they are one of them.

The horror of this nightmare is that until he sells this team, we will not be be to wake up from it.

A very painful pill to swallow for true Fans. Yes.

Kris


Why is it all of your posts basically say the same thing "I was right and you were wrong".


Are you 7 or just mentally stuck there?

A ling, as always:

www.kriskrypouts.com

great column Mando. guess i cant call you "Ross's lapdog" any more...

2012

Start Matt Moore

2013

Draft M.Barkley

2014

Fire Philbin

At least when Dashi is wrong it isn't making some ridiculous statement that is regurgitated a 1000 times a day.

Less either/or, more both/and, please.

Martin was a head case who should have stood up for himself ..,

AND the bullies were jackasses who needed to be made to shape up ...

AND the coaching staff ranged from useless to pernicious.

There's not a single person to blame. Which is the opposite of "no one's to blame."

Armando,

Your right. Blind leading the blind. -or- Clueless leading the clueless is more appropriate.

How can Dolphin fans even hope to get this turned around when these guys appear to be so lost? Not only to us but the players too.

Unless these types of issues are dealt with head on now and in the future, there is no real indication we're moving in the right direction.

While others get paid to relay real information to the fans. This nerd is allowed to post his commentary on a team that he dispised his whole life. A Fins fan took his lunch money everyday growing up in Hialeah.

Buddy, even comic book villains turn good sometimes.

WTH alert....why did Martin text his Dad and say he would get a phone call from his coaches? That is a must read. That whole conversation is very disturbing let alone the fact his Dad knew he was having suicidal thoughts in May...but yet was more concerned about what was said and what was ok to say to the coaches. Don't get that conversation at all!

The Dolphins are terrible, Philbin will be fired sometime this year, when they are the cellar dwellers, looking up at Buffalo, which will be contending for the division lead.

Oscar, How many times have you thought about killing yourself? Serious Question.

You talk about it as if you thought about it a lot, since you think it is such a serious thing. Usually that or someone close to you has committed suicide and you blame yourself for being a coward and not doing anything.

To say it is one thing, To mean it is another. Anyone can say 'I am going to kill myself', we all say things we don't mean when we are angry. But only a person that means it knows if it is true or not.

If you have never thought about really killing yourself, because you are not a severe Manic depressant with real low self-esteem issues like Oscar Canosa. You won't take the suicide threat serious because you can't fathom someone taking their own life. Unless you or someone you know has thought of suicide. Suicide isn't something that should/will be taken serious.

Committing Suicide is an act of Cowardice. And to even entertain a serious thought about it like Oscar, shows how weak minded a person you are.

The same roster problems plagued the Dolphins before Philbin's arrival, thus the focus of the roster issues became GM Jeff Ireland's responsibility.

Dolphins teammates believed Martin and Incognito were good friends so why would Joe Philbin think any different? And the culture amongst the offensive lineman began under Tony Sparano and continued under Philbin as he inherited the lot (Incognito, Pouncey and Jerry).

Philbin has the difficult task of transitioning this team from being dysfunctional as a result of the Ireland/Sparano era. Thankfully he now has the help of a new GM.

And here goes Armando again with his ASININE allegations that Joe Philbin can't handle being the HC of the Miami Dolphins. Is the job too big for bellicheat because AH was murdering people on his watch? To big for Sean Peyton because of bounty Gate? Too big for any coach who has ever had a player of a handful of players who have acted like jackarses? What a joke. Too big for Pete Carroll because his players were popping pills? Get a FKING clue you idiot.

Mando, you've been reading my posts,,again. How does Philbin not know whats going in his locker room, Those idiots could hide a dead body in the locker and Philbin would ask "wheres that order coming from"? The man doesnt have a clue.

Mando, one more thing, did I read the same report you guys read? I don't see what the bur-ha-ha is all about. Mens professional football locker room, theres harsh language, chit chat about women,,,etc etc,,,,,get over it.

Philbin should be fired that should have said in the second paragraph of my last blog entry! Oops! Obviously Steve Ross won't be fired but I am rooting for Ross to get this ship righted!

Man do is a squirter.

Philbin was ill equipped for the head coaching job the day he was hired. Just watching some of the interaction among his coaches and Philbin on the sideline this past season was telling. Ross will eventually fire Philbin but it may not be until after another couple seasons of mediocrity. I think we better get used to it. The bigger issue will likely be that Ross will probably never clean house. He'll continue to change one piece at a time.

That said, Mr. Salguero lobbying on this blog over the next season or two or three in an attempt to see Philbin fired wont do a lick of good. In fact, I get the feeling that if Ross read the blog consistently (he doesn't bother) he would probably be more inclined to circle the wagons. It's a blog, just a blog, so I get it. But it's still boring to read all the different angles used to try and push the agenda. Almost reads desperate. Strike that, it does read desperate.

I don't give a rats cold arse about what Philbin supposedly knew or didn't know about the overblown BS that this Incognito-Martin et al. "scandal" has become. I just care that he isn't capable enough as a head coach. Tying the BS in with his coaching ability is a distraction at best. He is simply a sub par head coach.

As far as the comment regarding Philbin missing signs regarding his sons suicide ... you have no clue what you are talking about. You had absolutely no personal knowledge of or view into Philbins personal life and relationships. And to matter of factly relate that to the Dolphins BS ... even a further stretch. Walk a mile in the same shoes first. I have.

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