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Dolphins think value with benefits and repercussions

It's not right to say the Dolphins are bargain shopping in free agency. Not when Brandon Albert got $20 million in guaranteed money two days ago and the highest average per year salary of any left tackle signing during free agency.

It is more accurate to say the Dolphins are value shopping. General manager Dennis Hickey has said that over and over, again and again.

"Again, we always look at value," he said. "That’s what we’ve done so far, and that’s what we will continue to do. Putting a number on those things, again we are just trying to get the best 53-man roster."

And so this is what you must keep in mind as free agency continues ... According to sources familiar with the Dolphins thinking, the club is now value shopping for a cornerback. Miami is value shopping for a running back -- and on this one, the shopping may very well lead to the draft. (More on that in a moment).

The Dolphins are still shopping for both a guard and a right tackle, although getting good value on this front may be more tricky, one source tells me.

Value shopping takes time.

And it is risky because other teams with similar needs can easily set higher values on players.

But this is apparently what the Dolphins are committed to doing. Sometimes it works and the value the team places on a player leads the player to or back to Miami -- think Randy Starks. Sometimes it fails and the value the team places on a player leads him elsewhere -- think Paul Soliai.

There are other instances where setting a certain value or price point for a player doesn't get it done. And the offensive line offers multiple examples of this.

The Dolphins offered guard Zane Beadles a contract they believed to give them (and him) good value. But the Jacksonville Jaguars blew Miami out of the water with a five-year, $30 million deal that included $12 million in guarantees.

That's right tackle money, folks.

Beadles is a guard.

The Dolphins also wanted Rodger Saffold to play alongside Albert at left guard or perhaps right tackle. But the Oakland Raiders blew Miami out of the water with a five-year, $45 million deal that included $21.5 million in guarantees. Think of this: The Raiders were going to pay Saffold, who is not durable and not a home run as a left tackle, more guaranteed money than the Dolphins were going to pay a proven Pro Bowl left tackle.

And the Dolphins offer was to pay Saffold as a guard or right tackle.

They couldn't compete. Thankfully, actually.

Well, last night the Raiders either got buyer's remorse or the team doctor became the smartest man in the organization. The Raiders failed Saffold in his physical.

Saffold is now going back to the Rams.

So where does that leave the Dolphins?

Again (as Hickey likes to say) the Dolphins are hunting for a veteran cornerback, a guard, a right tackle and a running back.

The cornerback issue is one where value has just reared its head. The Philadelphia Eagles this morning announced they agreed to terms with now former Dolphins cornerback Nolan Carroll.

The Dolphins like Carroll. He's big, he's fast. His best football is in front.

But they didn't value him as a starter. They valued him as a No. 3 type guy.

Carroll valued himself as a starter, or at least someone who could compete to start. And the Eagles convinced him he had a place there. So the Dolphins lose the player who started 22 games for them the past two years -- more than anyone else.

The hunt continues for a veteran corner -- one who can compete to start but can slide into the No. 3 role if he doesn't win the competition. The Dolphins like San Francisco's Tarrell Brown. They've shown interest in Walter Thurmond.

Dominque Rodgers-Cromartie and Antonie Cromartie are out there. But both are starting corners who expect to be paid like big-time starting corners. Do the Dolphins value them as such? That's the only way Miami has any interest.

I have no idea who the Dolphins are targetting at guard and right tackle now. [Update: The Miami Herald has confirmed Rams guard Shelley Smith is scheduled to visit tonight and tomorrow. He has visited the Giants and is currently in New England. He's looking for around $3 million a year. Good luck with that. He'll soon understand Dolphins are looking for value.]

The Dolphins initially called on New Orleans right tackle Zach Strief and apparently were scared away by 1. His strong desire to return to New Orleans. 2. His price. (Perhaps this changes, perhaps not).

The team desperately and I do mean desperately needs to add a couple of more veterans on the line. The consensus top guards and right tackles are apparently spoken for. What is mostly left are mid-level players.

So can Hickey fight off desperation and not sign a mid-level player for starter money because those mid-level players are going to start?

As to the running back issue, the Dolphins are in something of a tight spot. It is no longer a question of whether the team will add one. Sources tell me that is definitely the plan. The Dolphins want a big, bruising back that can pick up the short yards and also run over people in late-game situations protecting the lead.

(Good-bye Daniel Thomas).

Is there anyone out there like that? Ben Tate is available, but I don't know that is likely because he wants a bundle of cash to be the man. The Dolphins intend to run by committee.

I'm told the team believes there can be value in finding that RB in the draft -- and not necessarily early in the draft. So this can happen later.

I suppose that's what hunting for value is about. Waiting for the right time to strike. And that is often ... later.

 

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Quick Dashi, name the 5 other players on the cards D better than Dansby that you mentioned.

Hurry, don't google it.

Posted by: The Blog | March 13, 2014 at 10:12 AM

That's easy and no need to google it!

CB - Patrick Peterson
DT - Darnell Dockett
LB - D. Washington
DE - Calais Campbell

The Honey Badger is climbing on the list as well with the amount of plays he amde as a Rookie.

Players better than Dansby on the Cardinals #2 Ranked Defense

P.Peterson
D.Washington
D.Dockett
C.Campbell
J.Abraham

And the Honey Badger

I know it is difficult to understand how someone is smarter than you. And Knows way more Football than you will ever learn.

The Sooner you come to the realization that Dashi is Superior to You. The Sooner you can move on with your life.

Posted by: Dashi | March 13, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Mark, from last post.

I have read we have a OG coming in today. Shelley Smith from the Rams. I don't know much about him though.

He said 5 & why are you answering for him?

PS, he said 5, you only named 4

"For Dansby to get that kind of money at this stage of his career, god bless him" - Bruce Arians

Deciphered = The Browns are idiots.

This is Armando's best Blog post so far this offseason...very informative

I will admit, I thought the Honey Badger will do worst as a pro.

NOW ADMIT HOW FLAGRANTLY WRONG YOU HAVE BEEN TODAY!! ADMIT IT FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE!!

So go on now. STFU!! And switch your name you loser.

SWITCH!!!

Mando, nice blog. Even though it is a bit stressful as a fan, I believe Hickey's patient approach is the way to go. We will still get some contributors.

Armanda said this was a really good post and thus also admitted his other posts are garbage. That's good stuff right there.

The Honey Badger was his 5th.

Again, a Little Comprehension will help with that Worm Brain of yours.

Deity,

I think sometimes he writes blogs so we have a palce to comment on..nothing wrong with that

"The Dolphins want a big, bruising back that can pick up the short yards and also run over people in late-game situations protecting the lead."

Quote from above scream Andre Williams.

Yeah Rdubs, I reckon. Not a fan personally.

2 years 5.2 million for Carroll. Don't think I would've paid that, good for him though.

I agree with Hickey's choice to not pay 6 million for a guard. I would've looked into Asamoah at 4.5 and Schwartz at 4.2. Saffold got crazy money, so good choice there.

There are still holes, but I think Hickey will fill them at the right price. Remember last year it took us until weeks after free agency started to land Grimes and we all saw how that worked out.

deity,


I like psoting, since I do very little work at work. I like not having to go through 15 pages of posts.New blogs make it more manageable and something to read for 2 minutes

Andrew Abramson ‏@AbramsonPBP 36s
Although he was a reserve, OG Shelley Smith spent his first two seasons under then-Texans and now Dolphins OL coach Benton.

Tweet from the Post writer about Shelley Smith who is visiting today.

We NEED to add at least one more OL and one CB in free agency. I would love it if we could get Rodgers-Cromartie or Antonio Cromartie. Having a pair of stud corners can make a HUGE difference (See: Surtain/Madison)

Salguero, Great Post to calm the Nerves. I agree with Value shopping.

At least Hickey knows what the Holes are(RG, RT, CB and Power RB). And that they need filling.

On the RB thing. Agreed. They need a short yardage back. It also shows that the coaching staff has confidence in L.Miller starting.

They are looking for a Good #2, that can become a #1b.

L Blount is that type of runner too.

This off-season is a complete success just for the fact that Nolan Carroll is no longer a Miami Dolphin.

Cool Texas. Looks like he will be a Phin by EOD. Cool article on ESPN about how these FA visits are really usually just tools to try to get more interest drummed up for the player, or to make a team get nervous and jump a little more quickly.

Imagine the uproar on this blog if we had signed Saffold.

Texas,

Shelley Smith? Awesome, i loved here as Diane on Cheers.

This is a dangerous game Hickey is playing here. Fine and dandy to look for value when you are sitting in a position of comfort but the draft will not find all the answers for the o line - lucky if it finds one.

Said it day one and got roasted for it here but I still believe it - this team is not improved and of course i want him to be responsible and not handing out five year deals to 33 year olds like Ray Farmer- but a little sense of urgency is fine too.

O linemen are coveted by teams, those that start go fast and aren't given up by teams. Those hoping a good one will be cut by someone in camp are dreaming. I've never heard of a very good lineman being cut during camp.

This is as good as it gets here, now.

Texas,

It does scream A.Williams. Or one of those Small School guys.

Bucs sign Collins for 5 years 30 mil. I might've gone for that, maybe he didn't want to play right tackle though. Maybe Donald Penn gets released. Hickey is taking a risk here, I hope it works out.

Glad Nolan Carroll is gone.

Steve Ross save the Dolphins. SELL THE TEAM!

Patriots sign Revis

Dolphoons sing a fat gut who sat out w a
"precautionary knee injury" for the last 4 games of 2013 regular season

Way to go Dolphoons!

LMAO!

Not sure I agree with this being a great blog by Armando.......it's basic knowledge. I don't think anyone here is panicking because we didn't overpay for some of these players.......I mean the minute the Raiders offered Saffold that money, I didn't want the guy anymore.......the Raiders always miss on guys

Wow
Just as Home thought/blogged last week
Revis to the Patriots!

NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS 2014 AFC EAST CHAMPIONS

why bother even playing the games?

simply start the play offs now w the Dolphins on the couch as usghe

lol

Go Fish!

Fat Albert = ROTFALMAO

I am telling you, giving up on Daniel Thomas is a mistake! The kid has talent. This third year he has bulked up, he is strong and smart. Manso, I hope the team reps do not read this blog. DT an be a VERY good running back. Will not say great because he needs to work a lot harder.

I know many of you do not agree, this is my opinion. No need to bash me, just hold me accountable if I am wrong... This could be the breakout year for DT.

Armando should know that you can't overspend. Maybe on your top priority to make sure you get it.,Miami did with Albert but, the other contracts have been FAIR.

Reason why teams don't(unless you're Denver & have to win it all this year) is because you are setting contractual precedent.

You know players look at the last big contract & set the bar above it. These are players who are looking to get more money next FA period.

The more you inflate contracts, the more you will have to overpay year after year.

Overpay for your top need to make sure you get him? Absolutely. Everyone else should get fair market value or you're going price out every FA.

Hickey is smart. You don't sign a lineman just to sign him. You sign guys you like that you think can help you. 2nd tier guys get payed 2nd tier Money.

Sounds like Hickey is looking for acorns.

PREDICTION;

STEVE ROSS AS OWNER WILL NEVER HAVE A WINNING SEASON

TAKE IT TO THE BANK

I am telling you, giving up on Daniel Thomas is a mistake! The kid has talent. This third year he has bulked up, he is strong and smart. Manso, I hope the team reps do not read this blog. DT an be a VERY good running back. Will not say great because he needs to work a lot harder.

I know many of you do not agree, this is my opinion. No need to bash me, just hold me accountable if I am wrong... This could be the breakout year for DT.

What ever helps you sleep at night, bud.

As long as D Thomas and M Egnew are on the roster you know we still stink.

Why aren't we looking at Blount?

PREDICTION;

STEVE ROSS AS OWNER WILL NEVER HAVE A WINNING SEASON

TAKE IT TO THE BANK

Posted by: SWAMI | March 13, 2014 at 10:56 AM

PREDICTION:

WHEN STEVE ROSS DOES HAVE A WINNING SEASON, WE WON;T SEE YOU AROUND THESE PARTS, NOW WILL WE?

I've never seen a pro RB worse than D Thomas.

Tupac = greatest rapper EVER.

cheap ross
.
lol

This D.Thomas 4th season.

D.Thomas was a QB before they switched him to RB and it shows. He isn't an instinctful runner. He runs high. He gets concussed real easy.

Personally, I wouldn't just get rid of DT either. But he is nearing the end of his rope. See some realy good stuff and then some WTF? stuff. Bad thing is the WTF? can tend to outweigh the good.

Adam Beasley ‏@AdamHBeasley

I'm told Shelley Smith will arrive in Miami for a visit tonight.

Yeah that is the ticket, look for value when your team is upside down...that is a luxury a good team can have, one that only needs a player or two, not us

Value means cheap, now I Understand why we have only signed Albert, they did not want to pay for the other good lineman, now is just mediocre players

Homers will cream good value, way to go Dickey....that is until game day, when the mediocre playes play at mediocre lever, then the crying begins

Mark my words his is the witch work, she know that as long as she saves money to the old fool, the results on the field will not impact her job, heck, she would be glorified

ross pooped
his drawers when
he found out
Monroe signed
4 millions le$$
.
lol

cheap ross
.
lol

Posted by: 2 watt | March 13, 2014 at 11:05 AM

Very perspicacious comment, Socrates.

Deity

Agreed

8-8 Aint that great !


Go Fish !

ross pooped
his drawers when
he found out
Monroe signed
4 millions le$$
.
lol

Posted by: 2 watt | March 13, 2014 at 11:09 AM

2 watt
can't seem to write a
coherent sentence, let alone
make an intelligent and insightful
comment.

lol

6-10 Do It Again


lol


Go Fish !

What would a good day on this blog be considered?

One without have to scroll pass the nonsensical ramblings of Oscar, Dashi, YG/DB/Sam/Ape, Craig, Odin & MIT.

7-9 All The Time !


lol


Go Fish !

nemo,smith is also @
the pats
and he can't paxx block

lol

Patriotic Home says,


Go Fish !


lol

Posted by: Tupac's Ghost |
.
the homers poop their
drawers every game day
.
lol

The Dolphoons have a 2nd yr bench warmer Jeffy Ireland CB to start


The Patriots have the best CB in the league


LMAO!

Go Fish !

My biggest gripe with DT before last year is he just would fall the fk down (fumbles). Fighting for that extra foot when not necessary. Just hit the ground son, they are happy with you being held up while taking shots at your face and knocking the ball out.

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