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Dolphins think value with benefits and repercussions

It's not right to say the Dolphins are bargain shopping in free agency. Not when Brandon Albert got $20 million in guaranteed money two days ago and the highest average per year salary of any left tackle signing during free agency.

It is more accurate to say the Dolphins are value shopping. General manager Dennis Hickey has said that over and over, again and again.

"Again, we always look at value," he said. "That’s what we’ve done so far, and that’s what we will continue to do. Putting a number on those things, again we are just trying to get the best 53-man roster."

And so this is what you must keep in mind as free agency continues ... According to sources familiar with the Dolphins thinking, the club is now value shopping for a cornerback. Miami is value shopping for a running back -- and on this one, the shopping may very well lead to the draft. (More on that in a moment).

The Dolphins are still shopping for both a guard and a right tackle, although getting good value on this front may be more tricky, one source tells me.

Value shopping takes time.

And it is risky because other teams with similar needs can easily set higher values on players.

But this is apparently what the Dolphins are committed to doing. Sometimes it works and the value the team places on a player leads the player to or back to Miami -- think Randy Starks. Sometimes it fails and the value the team places on a player leads him elsewhere -- think Paul Soliai.

There are other instances where setting a certain value or price point for a player doesn't get it done. And the offensive line offers multiple examples of this.

The Dolphins offered guard Zane Beadles a contract they believed to give them (and him) good value. But the Jacksonville Jaguars blew Miami out of the water with a five-year, $30 million deal that included $12 million in guarantees.

That's right tackle money, folks.

Beadles is a guard.

The Dolphins also wanted Rodger Saffold to play alongside Albert at left guard or perhaps right tackle. But the Oakland Raiders blew Miami out of the water with a five-year, $45 million deal that included $21.5 million in guarantees. Think of this: The Raiders were going to pay Saffold, who is not durable and not a home run as a left tackle, more guaranteed money than the Dolphins were going to pay a proven Pro Bowl left tackle.

And the Dolphins offer was to pay Saffold as a guard or right tackle.

They couldn't compete. Thankfully, actually.

Well, last night the Raiders either got buyer's remorse or the team doctor became the smartest man in the organization. The Raiders failed Saffold in his physical.

Saffold is now going back to the Rams.

So where does that leave the Dolphins?

Again (as Hickey likes to say) the Dolphins are hunting for a veteran cornerback, a guard, a right tackle and a running back.

The cornerback issue is one where value has just reared its head. The Philadelphia Eagles this morning announced they agreed to terms with now former Dolphins cornerback Nolan Carroll.

The Dolphins like Carroll. He's big, he's fast. His best football is in front.

But they didn't value him as a starter. They valued him as a No. 3 type guy.

Carroll valued himself as a starter, or at least someone who could compete to start. And the Eagles convinced him he had a place there. So the Dolphins lose the player who started 22 games for them the past two years -- more than anyone else.

The hunt continues for a veteran corner -- one who can compete to start but can slide into the No. 3 role if he doesn't win the competition. The Dolphins like San Francisco's Tarrell Brown. They've shown interest in Walter Thurmond.

Dominque Rodgers-Cromartie and Antonie Cromartie are out there. But both are starting corners who expect to be paid like big-time starting corners. Do the Dolphins value them as such? That's the only way Miami has any interest.

I have no idea who the Dolphins are targetting at guard and right tackle now. [Update: The Miami Herald has confirmed Rams guard Shelley Smith is scheduled to visit tonight and tomorrow. He has visited the Giants and is currently in New England. He's looking for around $3 million a year. Good luck with that. He'll soon understand Dolphins are looking for value.]

The Dolphins initially called on New Orleans right tackle Zach Strief and apparently were scared away by 1. His strong desire to return to New Orleans. 2. His price. (Perhaps this changes, perhaps not).

The team desperately and I do mean desperately needs to add a couple of more veterans on the line. The consensus top guards and right tackles are apparently spoken for. What is mostly left are mid-level players.

So can Hickey fight off desperation and not sign a mid-level player for starter money because those mid-level players are going to start?

As to the running back issue, the Dolphins are in something of a tight spot. It is no longer a question of whether the team will add one. Sources tell me that is definitely the plan. The Dolphins want a big, bruising back that can pick up the short yards and also run over people in late-game situations protecting the lead.

(Good-bye Daniel Thomas).

Is there anyone out there like that? Ben Tate is available, but I don't know that is likely because he wants a bundle of cash to be the man. The Dolphins intend to run by committee.

I'm told the team believes there can be value in finding that RB in the draft -- and not necessarily early in the draft. So this can happen later.

I suppose that's what hunting for value is about. Waiting for the right time to strike. And that is often ... later.

 

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We might have to trade down and pick up an additional draft pick in the third round just so that we can get the bodies we need in the OL; MLB; and RB
If we trade into the second round maybe we would be better off. I for one do not want to have any of the ex OL starters as starters again, except for Pouncy. So that means we need 3 bodies in the draft for OL (LG;RG;RT) plus the MLB and RB that is 5 bodies in the four rounds
Probably go for the other needs after these needs are met.
Unfortunately the way it seems to be going we might have to start one of the OL already on our team. Or it could mean bringing back Clabo which is not an upgrade at all.

smokescreen by Ross

like how he doesn't mention that with the 400 million dollar shade umbrella he doesn't want to pay ANY taxes anymore on the stadium just like the swindlers

and then later he will throw a bone to the schools and parade around like a Saint

lol

this is the most dangerous period of free agency.....when mid/lower tier players get way overpaid, out of desperation, which is exactly what many here are talking about--its one thing to overpay for a good player, but it can be a disaster to overpay for an average player (see Wheeler, Philip)--look, if quality players arent available then so be it, but reaching for them aint the answer....and yes, that means some our our '13 draft class have to contribute....but we cant be paying old/crappy players 5-6-7 mill/yr just because.....no

woodshed, ebron will be gone before we pick. but would like that if he dropped to us.
only one OL??

Posted by: jaison | March 13, 2014 at 12:39 PM

I took Ebron because he was available in my simulations. I take Zach Martin if Ebron is gone or trade back and take Amaro.
My thinking behind taking only one OL guy is that I believe we will fill either LG or RT through FA and Brandon Thomas could play either RT or LG. I see Brennan and Dallas Thomas battling to be our RG.

MIT.....I said several days ago here that they should re-sign Jerry for backup money and plenty of folks laughed....but guess what, I still think they should--I'll say it again, I'd rather pay our crappy ex-player than someone else's crappy ex-player because at least we know what we got, and he's experienced--adds MUCH needed depth....he aint good but he aint awful....sign him for backup money.

Last year the Bills were 4-10 team and then the 5th choice 3rd string practice QB beat the Dolphins twice giving them a 6-10 record

How much are front row club level suites?

That sounds like an excellent product

lol

With Smith it appears that we would have, at least, one pulling guard.

DH....I'm in agreement with you that with a good GM. Who makes the roster better we our still left with Philbin and Coyle. For all the reasons you just mentioned.

Most accurate statement of the day, just like all other bilionaires

guess what.....most of the Olineman left/available are gonna be roughly at John Jerry's level anyway....who do you think is out there at this point, outside of maybe an exception or two?--and Jerry can play (or more accurately he can suck at) both OT and OG--we....need....bodies

hey Reel....they're about $25 on stubhub....why?

Unfortunately
This year Home has no idea who the Dolphins should draft in the 1st round

No idea

just dont see much hope

We cannot compare w the Big Dogs


Reel and Deity....problem seems to be that you both expect something different from Ross and "the other billionaires"....huh?--wake up boys, just the way it is....thats like going to Ireland and complaining about the rain

benz

was lookin for a place to take a nap on Sunday

only $25 for club level 1st row, Huh?

I think Hickey is too scared of Ross to truly swing for the fences and be bold.

Grimes and Albert were givens, and that was Philbin. Mitchell was new offensive line coach John Benton.

Im perfectly fine with an average G who fits the zone scheme. Draft RT, brenner/thomas/garner fight for other G spot.

Dolphins going cheap as usual, results will be cheap to match

Thought Ross was gonna put huge tarps over thousands of empty seats and we were gonna pretend they were not there

oph, you want to take a nap?--geez, just go to a marlins game

Home had to laugh at the reports during FA

said The Dolphins were looking for a cheap safety

"cheap safety"

that's encouraging, Huh?

lol

I don't think Revis was overpaid in NE.

revis/ne + 2nd season
tpuke tpuke
can't
get a break
.
lol

We're perfectly fine w a cheap QB that cannot throw past 60 ft

lol

Seriously
When the Pats signed Revis

It was like getting punched in face by Mike Tyson

Ughh!

The Pats got Revis? YIKES!

safety is a non-premium positions, and plenty of teams find solid ones with late round picks....and we've seen plenty of washed up/slow CBs converted to safety....cant be spending a ton there, especially when we already have Jones

Good thing is . . .

no one here wants to punch Home in the face


lol

Mark,

There's a big difference between signing a guy to a five year, $30 million deal, with $15 million in guarantees and a guy to a one year, $3.5 million deal. You're a smart guy, you know this.

Nothing wrong with Collins as a player and in hindsight it might have been smarter to sign Collins as the LT but I don't think you can sign both of them. We still have do something about the guard positions.

Shelley Smith is nobody to get excited about. He is looking for bigger $'s but likley wont' get it from any team. So, he may just end up back in St. Louis. IF the Fins sign him we would be competing for a roster spot and play time. Not a gauranteed starter.

He is 26 years old, 6'4" 312 pounds. He went to Colorado State and was taken in the 6th round in 2010 by the Houston Texans. Yes our new OLINE coach new him there. He was let go after being on the IR by St. Louis. He was a back up until our friend Jake Long got hurt. He played in 14 games last year and started in 2 of them. His career includes 25 games and 8 starts.

What about when RT made Brady curse, cry and storm off the podium? How much were those?

Yeah ur right benz

was no sense going after Byrd and his 8 INT av a season

lol

Dolphins r just fine

lol

revis wasnt overpaid

The Cheapo Ross Dolphins are trying to copy the Marlins plan of getting rid of their best players every year.

The best way to tell if the Dolphins front office is better is to see if they are chasing the same players other teams are. Well they are. They are not trying to "catch lightning in a bottle" anymore.
They may not be willing to pay what other teams pay. But they are now back on a normal track.
AND trust me other teams are taking notice.

If that's the real Phinmanski

then tell us how many Dolphin collectibles u have in hat finished sports basement?

My Alternate mock draft from fanspeak:

1) Zach Martin-T/G
2) Kadeem Carey-RB
3) Troy Niklaus- TE
4) James Hurst-RT
5) Jon Halapio-G
6) Logan Thomas-QB

While I said Shelley Smith is nobody to get excited about I would rather him over John Jerry. Jerry is always coming to camp fat and out of shape. He is a mediocre player who is always inconsistent. Watch gam film and watch him walk around on certain plays and totally miss his blocks. He was horrible in his run blocking. I'd rather go with Smith who the new OLINE coach knows and is not so damn fat!!

Byrd aint worth that kind of money, thats all Im saying....and we cant have 15-18 mill sunk into 2 safeties.....and what, you're sure he'll get 8 INTs/year?

check it out.....MOST people think Byrd was way overpaid.....not just me.....hoss

The Dullfins make the Marlins look like a World Class organization LOL

revis goes from
sanchy,freeman,glennon
2 1 of the best evah
in brady,
he is 1 happy Aponte
.
lol

Offense is still looking pretty bad

7-9
All the time


Go Fish !

Offense is still looking pretty bad

Posted by: Mikect | March 13, 2014 at 01:07 PM

Its PATHETIC!

All I want for xmas is for the San Fran 49ers to sign Richie Incognito as a free agent.

Patriots Dynasty week on NFL Network all week for those interested

Is anyone surprised that Incognito's nuts?

and gotta consider the Saints circumstances Reel.....they have a young saftey to pair with byrd so the total money in that position makes sense for them.....and Brees' window is closing, so they're making a run now

benz is trying to be rational with Omar Home. That's cute.

Patriots Dynasty week on NFL Network all week for those interested

Posted by: Reel Dolphin In Sight w Home | March 13, 2014 at 01:09 PM

The longest dynasty ever. 13 years and still going.

yeah
Dolphins never want to make a run now

They're always planning on winning in 3 yrs

lol

well thanks deity, for that irrelevant comment....I didnt know you were the emcee here....so you're like ryan seacrest?.....do you wear a tux?

It's HOmar not Omar Home

yeap
.
lol

I have a tuxedo t-shirt because it's formal but it also says, I'm here to party.

Damon Huard showed us his Superbowl ring and said see, Dan Marino doesn't have one

Still without a line....or could it be that we already have a line?...I think that is it, that is the answer to the riddle, we already have a line....now just looking for acorns

I present you Miami Dolphins 2014 line:

LT - Albert
LG - Brenner
C. - Pouncey
RG - Garner
LT. - Rookie/Clabo

This line is a perfect formula to allow disrupting penetration up the middle and provide a weak run game....hey, but who cares about the field results. we got good value, man

Dickey has just failed miserably for not having the pants needed to be aggressive and get the players we truly needed ( you know the good ones). He wuss out to the old fool and the witch.....anybody in this blog would have known that we had to sign Grimes, Albert...don't understand why so much credit there.....aside for the obvious, which impact player has Dickey gotten us so far?


6-10
Do It Again

Go Fish !

The Fins could make a run AFTER ROSS SELLS THE TEAM.

+ izzo
showed Zach and jt's
his with the middle fingah
.
lol

Dolphins 0-line is all about value and versatility

lots of guys can do lots of things

gogo
garner is best in spot duty
he always ends up
doing what ross did after monroe signed
4 millions le$$
.
lol

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