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Getting Zack Martin may require trade up contingency

I spent the morning talking to three NFL scouting and personnel department sources and, of course, my interest was centered almost exclusively on the situation the Dolphins will face at No. 19 when they are on the clock a month from now during the draft.

And the read I'm getting is the Dolphins are going to be wholly dependent on what happens in front of them, barring a trade up, if they are to get the starting right tackle everyone says should go to them -- Notre Dame tackle Zack Martin.

There are apparently four consensus first round tackles in this draft. They are in order from the folks I'm talking to, Auburn's Greg Robinson, Texas A&M's Jake Matthews, Michigan's Taylor Lewan and Martin.

Yes, there are other tackle possibilities such as Virginia's Morgan Moses, Tennessee's Ju'Wuan James, Alabama's Cyrus Kouandjio and even perhaps Nevada's Joel Bitonio, who jumps in there if you're talking to people who don't mind an undersized tackle. But those guys are not considered first-round values. Solid players. Good prospects.

But not as good as Robinson, Matthews, Lewan and Martin coming out.

Having said that, the Dolphins are not getting Robinson or Matthews. Both of them are top 10 picks. And without multiple picks in the first couple of rounds, the Dolphins don't have obvious ammunition to execute a trade up that high unless they want to go without picks in the second and third round or are willing to invest 2015 picks.

Lewan and Martin will be more attainable if Miami wants to grab either of them in a trade up. Why would the Dolphins have to consider a trade up to get one of those, you ask?

Well, apparently neither is certain to be there when the Dolphins pick.

As there are four first-round tackles, there are five teams already ahead of Miami that can use tackle upgrades. St. Louis, Atlanta, Detroit, the New York Giants and Baltimore may all be considering getting help at tackle before the Dolphins are scheduled to pick.

So if things go exactly wrong, with five teams picking before Miami vying for four sure-fire first-round tackles, the Dolphins are left ... well, needing another option.

Furthermore, Arizona (20th overall), Kansas City (23), and Carolina (28) have tackle needs to varying degrees and may consider jumping up ahead of Miami.

The point here is the idea of Zach Martin, who by all accounts is a clean pick and a value at No. 19, being available to Miami when the time comes is very nice and almost convenient. But it is hardly a certainty.

Last year, there was a run on tackles early in the draft and teams were willing to pick players they ended up using on the right side as rookies simply to solidify their lines for the present and the future.

Are teams this year suddenly going to decide the tackle spot is less important and let a solid one be available at No. 19?

Dolphins fans would love to believe so -- especially since Martin is seemingly perfectly suited for Miami's need at right tackle. But a sure thing? No.

General manager Dennis Hickey is going to need trade-up contingencies to be certain he gets Martin.

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PHILBIN WAS COACH THAT BENJAMIN REFUSED WORKOUT FOR

LOL

Ralph, I would offer as high as a 3rd, a 2nd, no way... I would actually come out swinging offering a fifth and hoping they accept a 4.

There are several different draft calculators out there Ralph with different point systems so it's not exactly like the point system you are using is biblical in terms of being absolute.

Dion Jordan was the right pick for the future even though I liked Lane Johnson.

Mark,

What kind of popsicle flavors are available in CANADA?

I will only travel to foreign lands that offer a complete array of popsicle flavor options.

I don't get it anyway. Why do many think we should have this mythical super oline in 2014? Time take times. Wise decisions take patience. But in this microwave society, we want what we want and want it right now. This is not real reality folks.

It took a many trots and a WHOLE lot of patience before the Walls Of Jericho came tumbling down.

Orlando, what does Omar say about Dennard (the better player who plays a position of ultra need) sitting on the board?

They would rather take a lesser player when they already paid Giacomini big money to play RT?

As Omar would say ...

SMH

Bears went from the 32nd ranked OL in 2012 to the 10th ranked OL in 2013

Mando, when you wrote that the Dolphins would continue looking for veteran, cheap WR options this is what one of the douchiest of your readers posted in the comments section:

Dolphins need receiver help.
Apparently Mando was the last to get the memo.
Jace Amaro and the excellent WR 2014 draft class offers some very enticing long term options in the first two rounds of the draft.
Get one ...
Burlson also broke Hickey's closing streak. What happened?

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | April 07, 2014 at 10:12 AM

People who call out the reporter should start getting called out when they are WRONG.
Posted by: Frank Caliendo | April 10, 2014 at 08:42 PM

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2014/04/dolphins-host-wr-damian-williams.html#storylink=cpy

jordan, what position did Joeckel< fisher,a nd Johnson play before they got drafted? And they played what position after they were drafted?

Please, never played RT before, foolish thing to say ....

he enver played RT before because he was the best dam offensive lineman on the team, nt because he couldn't play it...

In Lewan we get a RT for a few years then get a LT when Albert's play falls in a couple of years.. how does the move not make sense???

It's the best dam move in the draft the Dolphins can make...

has anybody here ever heard of a guy who was good enough to play LT that couldn't play RT... ever???

And let's not say J Martin, he can't play any position ... maybe punter.

2013 Patriots 8-0 at Home

enuf said

Sit at 19. take bpa.

How was I wrong at 1:14?

Mando was the one that was wrong.

I said Miami needs recievers.. said it since the Season ended.

he was the one questioning why Miami was looking for receivers...

again, Frank Caliendo and whoever you are should get some reading comprehension classes

Even if its a qb

Mark, @ 1:16 agreed.

Tryon Smith got taken at 9 overall and played RT for a year or 2 as well.

Anthony Davis played left tackle at Rutgers then got taken at 11 overall to play right tackle since they had Staley at left. They might flip soon as Staley gets older.

I'm sure there are other examples, but its not a good argument for not drafting a guy high.

I can only hope Hickey is much smarter than the gibberish I read here, trading up for an olineman(RT).

Seems thus far he's off to a nice running start. Trading up for a right tackle(multiple picks) would be equivalent to breaking ankle after a nice running start.

If Martin fell to us he falls to us. If not, leave it alone. In a couple years some of you advocating this will be bashing Hickey for "OVERPAYING" because a couple of these 2ND RD LT's will be playing as well, if not better than a couple of the 1st rd LT's.

Sometimes one can be so smart he outsmarts only himself. Did not Jeff Ireland teach youses anything?

2014 Miami Dolphins sewing together bigger tarps to cover 10,000 empty seats

so NFL fans won't see the complete lack of interest in this flipping flopping disappointing hapless AFC east team

The Miami Dolphins lead the league

... in head covering paper bags for Dolfans leaving the stadium

Go Fish !


Unless the Dolphins trade Jordan and gain the No 22 overall pick trading up for a RT in RD 1 is just a DUMB move. And yes Lewan will be there. Martin I could see going to Rams Steelers or Ravens.
Steelers and Ravens both need help in the secondary so that is where they would go instead of Lewan.

Posted by: jordan | April 11, 2014 at 01:07 PM


This is from a report two days ago -

Buried in the preoccupation with pass catchers is that the Eagles, according to a respected NFL source, made an offer almost two months ago for pass rusher Dion Jordan, who played spectacularly for Kelly at Oregon but hardly at all last season with the Miami Dolphins.


The details are unimportant. The Eagles are said to have included a second-round pick and linebacker-defensive end Brandon Graham. For now Jordan is still part of the Dolphins, who say they’re going to find a way to get him more snaps next season.


Almost everything about a deal for Jordan still makes sense, including the contract should the Eagles package in some way a first-round pick.

Then take the best tackle in rd #2,,,don't not trade up to get Martin,,,not worth it,,,he's no Jake Long.

There are other options than just trading picks.
There is the option of trading a valuable player, say Cam Wake and the 19 pick to move up.
Envision Bortles going #1 and St Louis taking Watkins then Jacksonville are on the clock. They would most likely be taking Clowney at this time and hoping to get their QB in round 2. How about trading them Cam Wake and #19 for the #3 pick and taking Robinson.They could have their pass rusher and get their QB . Good deal for both.

This is the Draft to trade down, not up, down. How many times are We to say this? You could get that huge G/OT, David Yankey, from last year's Stanford's great zone blocking OLine early in the 2nd Rd, perhaps later and =or> in value and talent to Zach Martin. Lewan is out.

Posted by: SAM I AM | April 11, 2014 at 01:13 PM

This coming from a guy who fist pounded for Hyde first round for a week and half straight and anything else was idiotic. Now seems to be leaning at the plausible pick of LB.


Mark, @ 1:16 agreed.

Tryon Smith got taken at 9 overall and played RT for a year or 2 as well.

Anthony Davis played left tackle at Rutgers then got taken at 11 overall to play right tackle since they had Staley at left. They might flip soon as Staley gets older.

I'm sure there are other examples, but its not a good argument for not drafting a guy high.

Posted by: NeMo | April 11, 2014 at 01:21 PM

Yeah, and these teams did not trade up for these players. The Cowboys have yet to see the playoffs after any of their moves.

Only the Dolphoons would select another player at RT named Martin

after 2 dismal embarrassing yrs w "Martin" at RT/LT


and they wonder why there are 20,000 empty seats

rid the name "Martin" from the 0-line

TE Ebron has a nice ring to it

followed by Moses
if ever this team needed Moses
it is now

No trading up in this draft.
Trade back, yes, but just say no to trading up.
In regards to a proposed Jordan trade: 1st rounder or bust. Plus another pick.
The fact that the Phins turned down a 2nd rounder plus Graham is a good sign this GM actually has a brain, unlike his predecessor.

TE Ebron will probably be wearing puke green and running into the Dolphins end zone


Z.Martin Sucks!!

If the Fins move up it better be for Matthews or Lewan.

Martin is a Guard at the Pro Level.

Posted by: Dashi | April 11, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Thanks for stating something you have ZERO idea about. Not even the hint of a clue. You have no training, evidence, knowledge, expertise, experience to make such a claim.

NONE!!!!!!!!!!! Stick to what you know!

When are the idiots in here gonna learn to not speak of things they re oblivious about?

David Yankey... forgetting Johnathan martin and wanting to draft his mirror image so soon...

I haven't heard anything from 2 watt today. I think Mark, Darkoak, and I might have hurt his feelings yesterday. lol

Last yr he was not

Butt this yr
Home thinks Wallace will be better than the low paid Edelman

Sam @ 1:26, the 49ers actually did trade up to get Anthony Davis. Didn't seem to go terribly for them. We can just agree to disagree on this one I guess.

I'm a Dolphins fan that lives in Los Angeles. Fins would be wise to select UCLA guard/tackle Xavier Su'a Filo at 19. This guy is a beast that can play guard, right or left tackle!


FINALY MANDO CATCHES ON

I'm the first one that said we need to trade up not back in the 1st round.
I can prove it simply by going through the archives, in fact that is probably where Mando got the idea.

Posted by: ExposingTheFraud | April 11, 2014 at 01:11 PM

You are such a lil bi*ch! ME ME ME! I said it first.

NO ONE GIVES 2 SHI^S ABOUT WHAT YOU SAY OR WHEN.

You are a self centered, obnoxious idiot.

You're welcome!

Sam, Tyron martin has been a very good player for the Dallas Cowboys ... last I checked he never played defense or threw the untimeliest of INTs

And all those 5 linemen we talked about were taken before pick 12 of their drafts. NFL 1st round LTs don't fall to 19.

Trade the mid round pick and buy pure top tier nfl talent...

@home how is that possible if you think tannehill is a bad QB. Your starting to flip flop on your beliefs. just like a dirty infested politician.

sorry, Tyron Smith... martin on the brian today...

Very realist that the Dolphins could get
Ebron & Moses w o any big moves up or perhaps by simply staying put


Our TE position would be set w Clay Ebron & Sims (cut Egnew)

Our O-line would be set by the cheap signing of McKinnie w Albert, Fox, Smith and Moses

(that's 5 new fat guys on the O-line that were not going to be here in 2014, now signed)

Yeah I don't see the Jets grabbing a tackle early. Their secondary at this point is highlighted by Milliner.

No idea how it will pan out, it is always a crap shoot. Best we can wish for is teams getting QB happy so tackles and linebackers fall to 19.

I don't think I would trade up, if those guys aren't there I'd trade back and go for a decent guard/second level tackle with the extra pick.(Maybe trade a 2015 pick? A lot of underclassmen in this draft will next years class be weak anyway?)

I wouldn't mind Su'a Filo at all at #19 only he is ranked below that.

One true thing about this Armando entry is that Draft rankings are all obscure now. They will be getting more clear as Time moves on.

Home truly believes w the drafting of TE Ebron and 0-linemen Morgan Moses

The Miami Dolphins offense would be in very good shape

This new Fortified O-line w Moreno blocking and 2 TEs going out for passes w Wallace and Hartline would really click

Home would the expect Tannehill to pass for aprox 32 TDs with his new Fortified O-line and two very good TEs

Go Dolphins !

Drafting another fat guy @ #19 that wont score any points
will assure Miami will be competing for 4th place in the AFC east w the Bon Jovi's new team, the Bills

I wouldn't mind Sua-Filo at 19 too Oscar but I would be extremely happy if we got him at 26 and grabbed another 3rd round pick.

Home, would be happy with Ebron at 19. Not a huge fan of Moses in round 2, but I've been wrong before.

32 TDs for Tannehill would be great, and its actually not out of the realm of possibility.

Two simple deals for the Dolphins to complete the o-line

Re signing Mount McKinnie and drafting Morgan Moses

Behind this new o-line an Moreno throwing a block
Tim Tebow could run 3 times in a row and march all the way down the field for TDs

We dont even need Tannewhatshisname

There are no quarantines for a trade up or a trade down.

So with that in mind which sounds better.

Trade down and get an additional 3rd round pick and get Sua-Filo or whichever player you deem worthy and realistically available.

OR

Trade up, lose a 3rd round pick and get Lewan.

I take the first option all day.

I don't see the Giants, Steelers, Ravens or Lions taking a tackle in round 1.

They all need defense and the NYG and Pitt also need WR's.

Moses is gonna be good and only get better

nicknamed the Rock of Gibraltar

Fox & Moses -right side subbing in Smith

There are no quarantines for a trade up or a trade down.

Damn spell checker. guarantees

Texas @ 1:49

How about trade into the top 3 and take the best LT not the 4th or 5th best?

Jordan + #19 to Jville for #3 = they'll do that.

ETF, that equals a 3rd oveeral pick and a 19th pick for ... a 3rd pick.

Then, by concensus of professionals that know Football, ETF, that would be Jake Mathews.

ETF

I wouldn't mind that if I didn't like Jordan so much. I'd give Pouncey if they lose out on the Mack deal. The Brown's are probably going to match the offer.

Pitt doesn't need a WR... they did the smart thing and drafted one in the mid rounds even though it wasn't a need in Markus Wheaton...exactly the thing I suggest here but people can't seem to comprehend. Brown is a true #1. Pitt is going o line

THE DRAFT IS FOR FIVE YEARS, NOT ONE.

IMO Dion Jordan hasn't even started to scratch the surface of what he can do in the NFL.

agreed, Texas, and I have doubts that our idiot DC can figure it out too

Morgan Moses ideal length and proportion throughout for an NFL offensive tackle. Does a good job of exhibiting patience off the snap as he routinely establishes width and good bend in his base to either absorb or mirror his opponent in pass protection. Makes good use of his long arms by extending and punching to keep defenders off his frame. Displays a fluid, consistent kick-slide when asked to track and dictate a speed rusher around the edge.
Exhibits a strong first step and impressive burst for his size, when asked to fire through to the second level as a run blocker. Powerful hands to latch and steer against opponents of all sizes. Does a good job sustaining effort and contact to the whistle, and makes a concerted attempt to drive his opponent off the block rather than simply occupying him. Impressive lower-half flexibility and anchoring strength when absorbing a bull-rush.

Armando,

If the Dolphins can get Zach Martin with the 19th pick they will for the first time in team history have their starting tackles with four first names. Branden, Albert,Zach and Martin. Who needs last names anyway.

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