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Getting Zack Martin may require trade up contingency

I spent the morning talking to three NFL scouting and personnel department sources and, of course, my interest was centered almost exclusively on the situation the Dolphins will face at No. 19 when they are on the clock a month from now during the draft.

And the read I'm getting is the Dolphins are going to be wholly dependent on what happens in front of them, barring a trade up, if they are to get the starting right tackle everyone says should go to them -- Notre Dame tackle Zack Martin.

There are apparently four consensus first round tackles in this draft. They are in order from the folks I'm talking to, Auburn's Greg Robinson, Texas A&M's Jake Matthews, Michigan's Taylor Lewan and Martin.

Yes, there are other tackle possibilities such as Virginia's Morgan Moses, Tennessee's Ju'Wuan James, Alabama's Cyrus Kouandjio and even perhaps Nevada's Joel Bitonio, who jumps in there if you're talking to people who don't mind an undersized tackle. But those guys are not considered first-round values. Solid players. Good prospects.

But not as good as Robinson, Matthews, Lewan and Martin coming out.

Having said that, the Dolphins are not getting Robinson or Matthews. Both of them are top 10 picks. And without multiple picks in the first couple of rounds, the Dolphins don't have obvious ammunition to execute a trade up that high unless they want to go without picks in the second and third round or are willing to invest 2015 picks.

Lewan and Martin will be more attainable if Miami wants to grab either of them in a trade up. Why would the Dolphins have to consider a trade up to get one of those, you ask?

Well, apparently neither is certain to be there when the Dolphins pick.

As there are four first-round tackles, there are five teams already ahead of Miami that can use tackle upgrades. St. Louis, Atlanta, Detroit, the New York Giants and Baltimore may all be considering getting help at tackle before the Dolphins are scheduled to pick.

So if things go exactly wrong, with five teams picking before Miami vying for four sure-fire first-round tackles, the Dolphins are left ... well, needing another option.

Furthermore, Arizona (20th overall), Kansas City (23), and Carolina (28) have tackle needs to varying degrees and may consider jumping up ahead of Miami.

The point here is the idea of Zach Martin, who by all accounts is a clean pick and a value at No. 19, being available to Miami when the time comes is very nice and almost convenient. But it is hardly a certainty.

Last year, there was a run on tackles early in the draft and teams were willing to pick players they ended up using on the right side as rookies simply to solidify their lines for the present and the future.

Are teams this year suddenly going to decide the tackle spot is less important and let a solid one be available at No. 19?

Dolphins fans would love to believe so -- especially since Martin is seemingly perfectly suited for Miami's need at right tackle. But a sure thing? No.

General manager Dennis Hickey is going to need trade-up contingencies to be certain he gets Martin.

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Moses projected to be drafted by New Orleans or Carolina in the first round at about # 26-28

Mark,

I don't have Pitt going OL either but I do have them going CB. IMO Dennard is a Pitt type of player and he could slide just a tad bit to them. Some mocks have him sliding further but I don't buy that. he's a good corner.

Armando,

Seeing that Stephen Ross is of the Jewish faith he may demand the Dolphins Draft Moses. It would be a slam dunk if he had gone to Michigan.

tre mason visiting dolphins today

Home is HARRPing on Moses now. I heard the guy is a plodder not a mobile tackle. Our offense leads to needing more athletic olinemen, could he work?

You heard right, Darkoak.

After drafting TE Ebron and creating a very good duo w TE Clay

draft Moses:

"Ideal length and proportion throughout for an NFL offensive tackle.
Exhibits a strong first step and impressive burst for his size, when asked to fire through to the second level as a run blocker. Powerful hands to latch and steer against opponents of all sizes."

Moses can help make the Dolphins relevant again

RB Miller could earn 1000 YDs on the ground

Imagine that, the Dolphins could run block!

I've read Moses is a good leader. But he will demand the team to follow his 12 rules or else.

Moses does a good job of exhibiting patience off the snap as he routinely establishes width and good bend in his base to either absorb or mirror his opponent in pass protection. Makes good use of his long arms by extending and punching to keep defenders off his frame. Displays a fluid, consistent kick-slide when asked to track and dictate a speed rusher around the edge.
Exhibits a strong first step and impressive burst for Does a good job sustaining effort and contact to the whistle, and makes a concerted attempt to drive his opponent off the block rather than simply occupying him. Impressive lower-half flexibility and anchoring strength when absorbing a bull-rush.

Moses adedd two new rules last year. No Bullying and No Dunking over the goal post's. He only had 10 before last year.

Moses is the definition of a "dancing bear" with his mammoth size and nimble feet. He likes to use his limbs to get his hands on defenders and take them wherever he wants, but needs to continue and refine his technique. If he continues to develop while staying in shape, Moses will be an attractive blocker for the NFL.

Yes but Moses can part rivers.

I like Ja'Wuan James more.

Ok fine if it will shut you the fuuk up

I'll go with

Taser Bill Lazor as he stuns DC's in 2014

You happy now?

James has been a RT all his college life and will be a RT in the NFL. He is plug and play day 1 leave him there the next 10 years, like Mayock likes to say.

Moses has gotten his Mammoth Body in good shape from 345 in college to 314 at Pro Day

All 32 NFL teams represented and took interest in Moses

the mocks have Moses going to New Orleans or Carolina
two teams that have very good GMs w excellent recent draft histories

they must know something the sports bloggers dont on Morgan Moses RT

J Martin > Z Martin

Texas, who's playing LT for the Steelers?


I didn't know, had to look it up, some guy named beachum.

I would conclude CB is much more real possibility but if Lewan is on the board, no way they pass on him to take a CB when they can get good talent in the 2nd. At LT though, no way...

Reel Dolphin In Sight w Home

Maybe Moses should go to Dancing With The Stars. Sounds like a sure fire winner there.

Moses is a poor fit in a zone blocking scheme but Home don't care...

I figure it's just easier to let him post to himself continuosly

On offense
Dolphins have signed 3 offensive linemen and a blocking RB

none are going to score points and Miami desperately needs to score points

TE is our biggest area of need

Home goes w drafting TE Ebron @ #19 or even jump up a couple of spots and get em

The Ross Dolphins are strictly a minor league franchise doomed to losing every year.

Morgan Moses

Offensive Tackle

Height: 6'6" Weight: 314 lbs

40 Time: 5.35 sec

Virginia

Strengths: He excels at engulfing defenders in the rushing attack. However, people look at him and assume he is nothing but a road grader, but his game is actually well balanced. His exceptional frame and long arms (35 3/8") allow him to keep defenders engaged in both the run and pass game. Uses his length and power to drive edge rushers far beyond the QB to establish a large pocket. For a player of his size, he has quick enough feet to get out of his stance and prevent edge rushers from establishing a rushing arc.

Wonder if Tannehill could use/like this:

"Uses his length and power to drive edge rushers far beyond the QB to establish a large pocket."

Maybe Moses should go to Dancing With The Stars. Sounds like a sure fire winner there.

Posted by: albert | April 11, 2014 at 02:27 PM

lol
Would be a great partner for dancer Warren Saap

Already had 2 yrs too many w TE Egnew

Time for TE Ebron

In two seasons TE Egnew has a grand total of 7 receptions for 69 yards

The F.B.I.
would call that a clue

that Egnew will not be helping Miami reach the 2015 Superbowl

I'm actually all for signing McKinnie as a depth signing. No problem with it at all.

I thought we were boycotting linemen w/ the last name "Martin".

Also "the Dolphins are going to be wholly dependent on what happens in front of them", isn't that the case practically every year? Sure feels like it.

McKinnie depth signing is a very good idea

and he is willing to play anywhere on the line and cheap

Home you sure about McKinnie playing RT?

Not 100% but I think I remember reading that he refuses to do such.

Also he will be available later on anyway, no need to sign the guy now.

and 4 more w TE Ebron = 36 Pssing TDs Tannehill

McKinnie publicly said he is willing to play anywhere in 2014 if Miami resigns him

Albert @ 2:12

The school of busines at the University of Michigan is "The Ross School of Business".
I think it fair to say that Steve is an alumnus.

10 Wallace
8 Clay
6 Hartline
4 Ebron
4 Moreno
3 Miller
2 Mathews

That's 37 TD Passes 2014 Tannehill

and a shot at a Wildcard game in the Playoffs

Go Dolphins!

Very first play for the 2014 Miami Dolphins should be a bomb to Wallace for a TD
and get the monkey off of Tannehill's back

like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7UTXD4hhCE

Stay put and draft Morgan Moses---UVA is an NFL OL factory.

There are several different draft calculators out there Ralph with different point systems so it's not exactly like the point system you are using is biblical in terms of being absolute.
Posted by: Mark in Toronto | April 11, 2014 at 01:11 PM

Exactly Mark. Look at the point values for the trade up we did last year. We should have given up more than a 2nd to the Raiders.

Thou shalt not move up in the draft to take any OL.
Thou shalt take Moses if Martin and Lewan are gone at 19.

Many here see this all wrong. The primary focus on offense should be building a DOMINANT run game. This is the best way to protect Tannehill, because his strength is in the short passing game.

With a dominant run game he'll be in shorter passing situations.

However, after TOTALLING WITNESSING Tannehill's long ball inaccuracy, many here think the answer is to give him more time to throw his INACCURATE DEEPBALL.

SMH! :)

TOTALLY

As long as Tannehill is qb, this will never be an offense scoring easy points(deepball) thru the air.

I don't give a fukk if we built the Great Wall of China around Tannehill. That still doesn't fix his deepball inaccuracy.

19 is too early to take Moses

Would razzle dazzle
Move ahead of the Jets if Ebron is available say 16-17

or Jets are def gonna get Ebron
Rex excitedly was scouting Ebron himself from about 10ft away during Pro Day

then would have to move up a lil again with our 2nd
making it a late 1st to draft Moses

Latest fanspeak effort. Clearly the greatest mock ever... except Deone Buccanon failed to fall to me in round 3...


19 OT TAYLOR LEWAN MICHIGAN
50 TE JACE AMARO TEXAS TECH
81 RB BISHOP SANKEY WASHINGTON
116 WR DONTE MONCRIEF OLE MISS
155 CB PHILLIP GAINES RICE
190 OT MATT PATCHAN BOSTON COLLEGE
234 G JOHN URSCHEL PENN STATE

LG is the biggest need on our team, not RT. If Zach Martin isn't there at 19, who cares. Take Saulo-Filo and find a RT to compete with Fox in a later rd.

If Tannehill does not connect w his first four deep passes to Wallace

Bring Back Tebow for the Florida fans!

Of course Carolina would trade Kuechly for Tannehill

lol

MIT, now that is a mock I'd be pretty happy with.

Sign & Insert Mount McKinnie alternating w Garner at LG

Albert & McKinnie would be a strong wall side by side

TannePuke cant hit the broadside of a barn from more than 15 yds away.

Hope Hickey isn't seeing the draft as many of us do, or, we are still fukked as an organization. With Tannehill its build a dominant run game or trade up for Johnny Manziel now.

As Ive stated before, Manziel is the only player in this draft I would trade up for and only if he drops out of top 10. Qb position may not be our great greatest need, but, it is a great need.

When Shula took Marino, qb wasn't the greatest need, but a great need. I would take Manziel over Tannehill anyday. Even if letting him sit a year behind Tannehill.

Woodshed, we have a pro bowl LT and C... as long as the guy doesn't crap his pants and do a face plant when the ball is snapped we can be ok.

After all, he hid Richie there for ages, even got him a pro bowl when we had Jake and Pouncey

Tanne can hit the broadside of the barn, but then the barn's knee would get blown out.

mando....
Question on the Alex Mack deal. Since we have Pouncey under contract for two more years (with the option), why didn't we give Mack the money to play center and move Pouncey to guard? We would be set for two years, one could have outplayed the other, backup if one got hurt, three pro bowlers (Mack, Pouncey, Albert), trade up for a stud RT and work hard for the other guard spot. We are going to have to pay Pouncey anyway.. but we can wait because (for a change) we drafted a stud and put a good contract together. Yes Pouncey would not be happy,but he would still need to play his tail off to get paid after two years... just asking. Didn't see the question out there.

Woodshed, that one fell almost exactly perfect... if the stars align, i hope our real one would look like that too.

sorry, meant MassD...

Expanding line clouds - chemtrail invasion
in the south Florida skies all week

Amazing watching the line clouds 6-10 at a time expanding and covering the skies in milky white toxic chemical aerosols

where did the sun go ?

I think transition tagging mack proved we dodged in bullett in Ray Farmer staying in Cleveland, haha what s hitestorm... $26M guranteed... we got a pro bowl LEFT TACKLE for that money...

UP URS FARMER!!!

God, please don't let Hickey be as dumb as Mark in Toronto, thinking Tannehill will lead the Dolphins to the promised land.

You've given us signs of a great flood coming to Miami. A flood of very inaccurate deep balls from Tannehill. Lord please send us an ark. Amen. :)

if the eagles are seriously thinking of giving us there 1st rd pick for jordan keep calling them everyday till they do it

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