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Getting Zack Martin may require trade up contingency

I spent the morning talking to three NFL scouting and personnel department sources and, of course, my interest was centered almost exclusively on the situation the Dolphins will face at No. 19 when they are on the clock a month from now during the draft.

And the read I'm getting is the Dolphins are going to be wholly dependent on what happens in front of them, barring a trade up, if they are to get the starting right tackle everyone says should go to them -- Notre Dame tackle Zack Martin.

There are apparently four consensus first round tackles in this draft. They are in order from the folks I'm talking to, Auburn's Greg Robinson, Texas A&M's Jake Matthews, Michigan's Taylor Lewan and Martin.

Yes, there are other tackle possibilities such as Virginia's Morgan Moses, Tennessee's Ju'Wuan James, Alabama's Cyrus Kouandjio and even perhaps Nevada's Joel Bitonio, who jumps in there if you're talking to people who don't mind an undersized tackle. But those guys are not considered first-round values. Solid players. Good prospects.

But not as good as Robinson, Matthews, Lewan and Martin coming out.

Having said that, the Dolphins are not getting Robinson or Matthews. Both of them are top 10 picks. And without multiple picks in the first couple of rounds, the Dolphins don't have obvious ammunition to execute a trade up that high unless they want to go without picks in the second and third round or are willing to invest 2015 picks.

Lewan and Martin will be more attainable if Miami wants to grab either of them in a trade up. Why would the Dolphins have to consider a trade up to get one of those, you ask?

Well, apparently neither is certain to be there when the Dolphins pick.

As there are four first-round tackles, there are five teams already ahead of Miami that can use tackle upgrades. St. Louis, Atlanta, Detroit, the New York Giants and Baltimore may all be considering getting help at tackle before the Dolphins are scheduled to pick.

So if things go exactly wrong, with five teams picking before Miami vying for four sure-fire first-round tackles, the Dolphins are left ... well, needing another option.

Furthermore, Arizona (20th overall), Kansas City (23), and Carolina (28) have tackle needs to varying degrees and may consider jumping up ahead of Miami.

The point here is the idea of Zach Martin, who by all accounts is a clean pick and a value at No. 19, being available to Miami when the time comes is very nice and almost convenient. But it is hardly a certainty.

Last year, there was a run on tackles early in the draft and teams were willing to pick players they ended up using on the right side as rookies simply to solidify their lines for the present and the future.

Are teams this year suddenly going to decide the tackle spot is less important and let a solid one be available at No. 19?

Dolphins fans would love to believe so -- especially since Martin is seemingly perfectly suited for Miami's need at right tackle. But a sure thing? No.

General manager Dennis Hickey is going to need trade-up contingencies to be certain he gets Martin.

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Take Saulo-Filo then get Brandon Thomas or James Hurst in a later rd.

Use the 2nd rd pick on BPA@ MLB, WR or TE.

Why does it take the Dolphins 4 years to realize their QB stinks?

I will repeat my mock from a couple of weeks ago:

1. Zach Martin, RT/G, Notre Dame
2. Jimmie Ward, S, No. Illinois
3. Chris Borland, ILB, Wisconsin
4. AJ McCarron, QB, Alabama
5. Andre Williams, RB, Boston College
6-7. BBA - Best Bully Available.

Still hoping to get a QB in the draft somewhere in case Tanne does not progress.

Hahaa, what a complete and utter waste of time...

See you're off your medication again and want to start internet fights.

No one is giving a 1st rd pick for Jordan.

Home would trade Jordan for the 22nd over all pick of the 2014 draft

Home would also trade Tannehill for the 8th pick of the 2014 draft

A 1st and 2nd rd pick for Jordan just a year, now we're lucky to get even a 2nd rd pick back.

Call Bellichik, he may give us a 1st rd pick for Jordan, he knows how to freaking use him. If Bellichik got hold of Jordan, he's probably on the fast track to the hall of fame. :)

meh, give me the 6,2 220lbs WR that runs a 4.4 and competed in the SEC anyday over some middling QB

Home would trade Egnew for a bowl of soup

cuz u aint gettin back the 3rd round -78th pick for egnew

Heck, I'd take a 4th rd pick for Tanny. He'll be totally worthless after next season.

belicheck already has Dion jordan. his name is jamie Collins - he's a freaking clone. Also, he didn't need pick 3 to get him, he drafted him right before we picked Jamar Taylor. And he was smart enough to play him as a 4-3 OLB where his gifts can be utilized, not insist he was a DE...

He wouldn't want or need to trade for Jordan.

personally I was a big advocate for Collins with the pick ~ 40 we originally had...

Home would call Da Raiders

Trade em Tannehill for their 1st round pick

Hell, even but em dinner too

;)


Home would trade Jordan for the 22nd over all pick of the 2014 draft

Posted by: Reel Dolphin In Sight w Home | April 11, 2014 at 03:46 PM

Bellichik would turn Jordan into a hall famer. Just as he has probably done with Wes Welker. Welker may not be a 1st ballot, but, at some point I believe he has a great chance to get in.

Had Welker spent his entire career in Miami, he probably has a news paper route by now. :)

The Raiders dont want TannePuke

Even though I think Tannehill will prove to be the real deal there are 2 QB 's I would take in if they fell to the 50th pick.

Bortles (I have the Texans taking him at 1) and Garrapolo who has a Marino-sequel release of the football.

Home would call Da Raiders

Trade em Tannehill for their 1st round pick

Hell, even but em dinner too

;)

Posted by: Reel Dolphin In Sight w Home | April 11, 2014 at 03:50 PM


You forget Al Davis is dead. :)

There it is

Trade Dion Jordan
to the Eagles for 22nd overall pick
*
Trade Ryan Tannehill
to Da Raiders for 5th overall pick
(throw in Egnew for free)

So how bad does this draft day movie look to everyone else?

Not sure how Kevin Costner gets work...


Even though I think Tannehill will prove to be the real deal there are 2 QB 's I would take in if they fell to the 50th pick.


Posted by: The Woodshed Gang | April 11, 2014 at 03:53 PM

Woodshed,

Going into year 3, if we still have to "THINK" Tannehill "MAY BE" the real deal, then boy oh boy are we into great potential trouble.

I mean, going into year 3, and we cant even get "EASY POINTS" from him. Wallace has 5 steps on a defendr and he underthrows it every time. That's not a real NFL qb.

If Garrapolo fell to our 3rd rd pick, he's a no brainer.

There it is
Trade Dion Jordan
to the Eagles for 22nd overall pick
*
Trade Ryan Tannehill
to Da Raiders for 5th overall pick
(throw in Egnew for free)
Posted by: Reel Dolphin In Sight w Home | April 11, 2014 at 03:56 PM

KEEP DREAMING!! CHRISTMAS ISNT HERE YET!! lmao!!

CommonSense, think StoneMasons....

This is too deep of a draft and especially OT's to give up picks, plus Zach Martin is a good player but no one trades up for a RT. Take the BPA and wait till the 2nd and 3rd rounds to get your RT and G.

If 4-5 OTs get taken before Miami picks at 19 then Mosley will be there and they should take him (anyway).

But Mando doesn't know what he's talking about.

4-5 OTs will not get taken before 19, Mosley will be gone, so Miami will be taking Martin with the 19.

More importantly, Mando should be writing about how more realistic it is, why it makes sense, and at what cost Jordan goes to Philly.

My answer: Philly really wants Jordan. Why wouldn't they? He's going to be a natural fit as a 3-4 OLB. Dude will be a beast...OLB is basically a stand up DE who gets to wreak havoc on QBs and stay in on 3rd downs to break up passes. Did I say...BEAST!!! Miami isn't going to use him like that so it makes sense to get some value. So at what in return. Well, word is Philly offered a 2nd and Graham.

First, let's talk about Graham. Dude was a top 3 4-3 DE out of college in 2010. Philly got him with the 1.13 and now don't use him appropriately. So where Fins Fans get fanatcial over Jordan. Philly Fans did over Graham. They thought his ceiling was high too....wrong fit!

Graham won't start right away, but will rotate in and would be a cheap resign when his contract is up in 2015. May be an eventual Wake/Vernon replacement.

Now, since Philly was willing to part with a 2nd that means Miami can squeeze a little more out of them. Their 1st and Graham would be ideal, but doubtful. However, Graham, 2.54 and 3.86 are very possible.

Philbin wants to build through the draft, but he wants to pick his players. Jordan was more Ireland.

I'd hate to see him leave then become the beast he'll be in Philly. And Fanatics like many of you will call for their heads, but he really doesn't fit their system, so would you rather hold him back or go get guys who can contribute???

Dolfans cannot deal w drafting another Martin for the o-line

fans will be climbing to the top of the stadium and hurling their bodies over the side

Graham as a draft pick in 2010, sheesh... that's 4 drafts ago. he should be a player of the present tense, not future.

He's been injured time and again as well. And Philly played a 4-3 most of the time he's been there. his time has come and gone..

I don't think it's an issue. I've said all along, McKinnie is serviceable and we can sign him back for a year if needed. If all 4 tackles are gone you take Ebron if he's there or Mosely (MLB) Alabama. Then you grab one of the remaining 3 tackles in the 2nd. It's never good to reach it generally doesn't serve well.

Only fair Philly gives us their 22nd over all pick for Jordan who was 3rd over all only last season plus he has so 1 yr of NFL get ready and 337 snaps where he did okay when not pulling a disappearing act or committing penalties

stay where your at get bpa dont pass a wilfork for a cary

Mark in Toronto,

You just compared a 4-3 OLB to a 3-4 OLB and called them clones...hmmm

Tannehill cannot throw long
Miller cannot catch short screen passes

so all we have for weapons is Clay, Hartline and Mathews

Draft TE Ebron in the first

Tannehill is a total bust. He isnt an NFL QB. And Jordan isnt worth near where he was drafted. Maybe we could get a 2nd rd pick for Jordan but Tannehill has no trade value.

I think its unlikely that they trade up for a guard/tackle tweener. If the top 4 OL prospects are gone, they will probably look at ILB,TE, S, or trade down.

Posted by: phins4ever | April 11, 2014 at 04:15 PM

I know Home has been saying that forever, is there a connection? lol

Da Raiders have not had a franchise QB since Rich Gannon

Since some folks believe Tannehill is a franchise QB

How could they refuse a franchise QB with soooo much upside
for their 1st round number 5 pick ?

Henne > Tannehill

No Darkoak
No connection

It is eerily similar though
lol

Jordan would be excllent as a linebacker in a 4-3. Tell me what it says in this link under "Bottom Line"

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/profiles/dion-jordan?id=2539288

I can go further in depth of how their test results virtually mirroed each other but you can start here and if you have any questions, i will enlighten you further.

Fact Tannehill QB stats... 6th in plays over 40 yards, 12th in plays over 20

In what decade are the Dolphins finally going to get a franchise QB?

How could they refuse a franchise QB with soooo much upside
for their 1st round number 5 pick ?
Posted by: Reel Dolphin In Sight w Home | April 11, 2014 at 04:23 PM

Not happening you got to give up on this tired train of thought. I'm personally on the fence with Tannehill, but ai understand he's in this team and almost certainly starting barring injury this season. You and your other aliases and others repeat this stuff every day. Why bother no one on this blog can change the fact Tannehill is the starter.

If it's just so you can say "I told you so" if he fails save it until it actually happens you don't need to belabor it every single day.

That said I believe that if the BPA in this draft is QB we take it.

yeah CommonSense,

Butt
U gotta sell Tannehill with all that upside, plus he did not have much exp, poor coaching, bad o-line, bad WRs, no RBs that could block, blah, blah, blah

How's that? Doin it like the Tanny Supporters/Lovers

lol

Nick, you also do realize Jamie Collins played DE at Southern Miss, right, and would be an excellent 3-4 olb himself...

But don't take my word for it.. read this "Bottom Line"

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/profiles/jamie-collins?id=2539311

Darkoak

Home only posts here under Reel Dolphin In Sight w Home or HAARPed up Home

anyWHOO
Home is always in the name somewhere

makes it easy for readers to follow

Nick, you also do realize Jamie Collins played DE at Southern Miss, right, and would be an excellent 3-4 olb himself...
Posted by: Mark in Toronto | April 11, 2014 at 04:31 PM

Not always Mark, 3-4 OLB has a lot more responsibilities than a 4-3 DE. Defensive ends pin their ears back and get after the QB or RB on almost every play, OLBs need to play man, zone, contain, and get after the QB.

I feel a 3-4 OLB transitions to a 4-3 DE a lot better than the other way around if they have played those positions through most of college.

19-0
20-7
2012 final 28-0
Tscum IS POND SCUM....SHOOT YOUR DAMNED SELVES YOU PATHETIC STUPID HOMERS.

I'm personally on the fence with Tannehill,

Posted by: Darkoak | April 11, 2014 at 04:29 PM


Sounds like a Broke Back Mountain moment


"I'm personally on the fence with Tannehill,"

Home= smh

Posted by: 4 watt | April 11, 2014 at 04:38 PM

Yes as your minuscule understanding of football shows any fan or any team is automatically a "Homer". I will be sad when I read you obituary when you take your stupid homer life.

Darkoak, correct not always, but in Collins case, yes he would've translated. The coverage skills he's shown playing OLB in a 4-3 lend itself to this theory.

Also it seemed to be an optimal position for him as suggested in his draft profile - I attached the link.

Collins moves around like a gazelle and can also get after the passer - like I said very very similar to Dion.

T-Puke 37th in yds per pass play
Most 3 n outs in football
Pathetic in the 4th quarter

gave Tannnehill a projected 37 TDs if we draft TE Ebron

did u not see the Home Tannehill love here?

10 Wallace
8 Clay
6 Hartline
4 Ebron
4 Moreno
3 Miller
2 Mathews

That's 37 TD Passes 2014 Tannehill

and a shot at a Wildcard game in the Playoffs

Go Dolphins!
Posted by: Reel Dolphin In Sight w Home | April 11, 2014 at 02:53 PM

Most 3 n outs in football
Posted by: Just Sayin' | April 11, 2014 at 04:41 PM

Just BSing you need proof. Link?

Now, here's something with huge implications for the 2015 draft ... guy is uber talented and now turns into a high upside later round pick with tremendous upside and character concerns...

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10768484/missouri-tigers-dismiss-dorial-green-beckham-team-wake-incident

Wonder how RB Lame Miller will be running by Wilfork, then Mayo, then into Browner ?

how far will he get by 1,2,3

last game none of those players were on the field against RB Miller

Wilfork, Mayo or Browner

Nat Moore @ 4:21

Jason Cambell and Dan Orlovsky and Ryan Fitzpatrick all got multi-year contracts this offseason.

That means Tanne will be on an NFL team for the next 15 years.

Will he win a SB? Who knows.

Will he be inducted in HOF? who knows.

Will he be paid > $1mil each of the next 15 years? absolutely he will.

Will you make >$1mil total over the next 15 years? No

All we ever hear about is this upside that's coming for
Ryan Leaf, . . . er, ... meant, . .. Ryan Tannehill

NO MORE 2-A-DAYS IN THE CBA

That means teams have to give 90% of the reps to one QB and take 1-2 years to develop whoever is drafted. It also means that a QB who has reps as a starter can play as long as they want to.

Tannehill and Henne will be in the NFL as long as they want to be.

What about downside?

How come that's never in the equation?

oh yeah, Kool Aid drinkin homer Dolfans

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