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Getting Zack Martin may require trade up contingency

I spent the morning talking to three NFL scouting and personnel department sources and, of course, my interest was centered almost exclusively on the situation the Dolphins will face at No. 19 when they are on the clock a month from now during the draft.

And the read I'm getting is the Dolphins are going to be wholly dependent on what happens in front of them, barring a trade up, if they are to get the starting right tackle everyone says should go to them -- Notre Dame tackle Zack Martin.

There are apparently four consensus first round tackles in this draft. They are in order from the folks I'm talking to, Auburn's Greg Robinson, Texas A&M's Jake Matthews, Michigan's Taylor Lewan and Martin.

Yes, there are other tackle possibilities such as Virginia's Morgan Moses, Tennessee's Ju'Wuan James, Alabama's Cyrus Kouandjio and even perhaps Nevada's Joel Bitonio, who jumps in there if you're talking to people who don't mind an undersized tackle. But those guys are not considered first-round values. Solid players. Good prospects.

But not as good as Robinson, Matthews, Lewan and Martin coming out.

Having said that, the Dolphins are not getting Robinson or Matthews. Both of them are top 10 picks. And without multiple picks in the first couple of rounds, the Dolphins don't have obvious ammunition to execute a trade up that high unless they want to go without picks in the second and third round or are willing to invest 2015 picks.

Lewan and Martin will be more attainable if Miami wants to grab either of them in a trade up. Why would the Dolphins have to consider a trade up to get one of those, you ask?

Well, apparently neither is certain to be there when the Dolphins pick.

As there are four first-round tackles, there are five teams already ahead of Miami that can use tackle upgrades. St. Louis, Atlanta, Detroit, the New York Giants and Baltimore may all be considering getting help at tackle before the Dolphins are scheduled to pick.

So if things go exactly wrong, with five teams picking before Miami vying for four sure-fire first-round tackles, the Dolphins are left ... well, needing another option.

Furthermore, Arizona (20th overall), Kansas City (23), and Carolina (28) have tackle needs to varying degrees and may consider jumping up ahead of Miami.

The point here is the idea of Zach Martin, who by all accounts is a clean pick and a value at No. 19, being available to Miami when the time comes is very nice and almost convenient. But it is hardly a certainty.

Last year, there was a run on tackles early in the draft and teams were willing to pick players they ended up using on the right side as rookies simply to solidify their lines for the present and the future.

Are teams this year suddenly going to decide the tackle spot is less important and let a solid one be available at No. 19?

Dolphins fans would love to believe so -- especially since Martin is seemingly perfectly suited for Miami's need at right tackle. But a sure thing? No.

General manager Dennis Hickey is going to need trade-up contingencies to be certain he gets Martin.

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Darkoak, did you party with ETFPenus again tonight?
Posted by: Felix | April 11, 2014 at 11:05 PM

The only thing gay around here is your obsession with me. Creepy.

There are no QBs in this Draft as good as Tannehill, best QB since Dan Marino, will have more success than Marino, starting in 2014.This QB is just scratching the surface, let's be patient.

MuuuFuKKAAAHHHH

BONESMOKERS

The Myth of NFL draft.

YOU HOTEL-MOTEL MOFOS

I LOVE

Mofo

MuthaFckkers

Ireland cant even get a job on a garbage truck LOL

There are no QBs in this Draft as good as Tannehill,

Posted by: smitrock | April 12, 2014 at 01:00 AM

There are no QBs in this Draft as bad as Tannehill. They are all more accurate.

BONESMOKER U!

Wow ETF on a bit of a Torrette's rampage here.

I don't want to give up any picks in a draft this deep.

If the top 4 Tackles are gone, I have no problem going after a different position. But, unlike most of Ireland's previous drafts, I want an instant plug and play, impact starter with our 1st round pick.

The only guy like this that will still be available at 19 will be CJ Mosley. I think he can be the heart and soul of our defense. Besides the obvious, the accolades, he's tough as nails too. People talk about his injuries, completely unaware that he's only missed 3 games total at Bama!

With that said, at 50 I would take another Bama player in Cyrus Kouandjio. This guy is probably the most underated Tackle in the draft. Under negatives in his draft profile, they mention positives. He's 6-7 322 with a body fat percentage of only 16. That's unprecedented. Ultimately, Kouandjio should be able to easily take over for Alberts when his times up.

I'm not sold on Bitonio or Morgan Moses. So if Kouandjio is off the board at 50, I would take OG Gabe Jackson Mississippi State or Stanfords David Yankey to play Guard(though he replaced Jonathon Martin for a year at Left Tackle and did great).

Then in the 3rd I take Jack Mewhort, Ohio State to play Right Tackle.

The wildcard for me is Tennessee's JuWan James. He played Right Tackle throughout. He would be a tempting prospect at 50.

I've narrowed it down to the aforementioned. I would be happy with almost any combination mentioned above.

There is a great likelyhood that the dophins will need to employ the Best-Player-Available at the second most important position of need strategy in the first round. That would be running back or guard. But that would be considered a reach as far as 1st round value. They haven't the ammunition (extra draft picks) to move up. They need all their draft picks. I might even be for them trading down to pickup more picks if the top four tackles are gone by the 19th. I see them picking JC Mosely with the 19th, however. They dolphins are in a very tricky situation this year.

Kelvin Benjamin @ #19

No other words need be spoken

KELVIN BENJAMIN = BETTER ATHLETE THAN ANYONE CURRENTLY

On phins roster

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE THINKING:

I should off myself right?

ETF,

I support your lifestyle choices.

With 26 days to the draft anything can happen. It's clear Hickey has brought in some quality FA players. Still wouldn't mind seeing a proven vet get signed for the OL. With that the draft will be more about adding quality depth and competition. I don't really see that many holes in the team where a player will start other than the OL. Wouldn't mind a trade down of say 5 spots if we can't get Martin. That would give the team a pick in the late 3rd or 4th round.

BTW....81%.... is a very impressive percentage. According to James Walker on ESPN. That is the poll number that believe T-hill will thrive this season and make the jump. Proving my point how small of a group it is that don't believe in the guy.

ETF-

I was Blogging about the goodness of kelvin Benjamin since the season ended. Dashi likes him too. I just don't think they will use number 19 on him unfortunately :(

Jordan, Taylor, and Thomas suckkkkkk.

No need to get Martin or Lewan. If Ebron or Mosely are off the board then the smart play is...
TRAAAADE DOOOOOOWN!!

XAXIER SUA FILO will be there late 1st and will be an all pro pulling left guard!! Bank on it!! Dallas Thomas can handle RT.

Then BPA combined with need from there on out. With the mindset that we still need an exciting seam threat TE and an instinctive, strong ILB.

why is everybody down on the Dolphins? They pick @ #19 because they finished better than almost 2/3's of the rest of the NFL. It's the whole NFL that sucks. The talent level is spread way too thin in the NFL. Miami is an embarrassment and they are still finished better than 2/3's of the other embarrassing teams. That is proof the NFL succs. It was far better when football players has to grad college before they could enter draft. No you have nothing but young inexperienced punks entering the draft and ruining the game.

The NFL is getting harder to watch as each year passes, and now with all the politically correct crap they bow down too, it's becoming less of a real man's sport

*now you have

No need to get Martin or Lewan. If Ebron or Mosely are off the board then the smart play is...
TRAAAADE DOOOOOOWN!!

XAXIER SUA FILO will be there late 1st and will be an all pro pulling left guard!! Bank on it!! Dallas Thomas can handle RT.

Then BPA combined with need from there on out. With the mindset that we still need an exciting seam threat TE and an instinctive, strong ILB.

Well, Manziel scored a 32 on the Wonderlic. That's bad news for him as most HOF QBs usually score in the 14s.

kaep scored a 39 oscar, means nothing

No need to get Martin or Lewan. If Ebron or Mosely are off the board then the smart play is...
TRAAAADE DOOOOOOWN!!

XAXIER SUA FILO will be there late 1st and will be an all pro pulling left guard!! Bank on it!! Dallas Thomas can handle RT.

Then BPA combined with need from there on out. With the mindset that we still need an exciting seam threat TE and an instinctive, strong ILB

dallas thomas,looooooooooooool

Dusty.

He was a 3rd rounder. He was not coached up or used properly. Now we have one of the best OL coaches in the business. Watch how Benton maximizes the whole lines talents. Then we'll see who will be LOL.

one of the best, how many times have i heard that. wheres houck at now

Hi

Well jury out on Jordan if he pans out great if not lane Johnson not just another guy easy to find as suggested he's looking like the best tackle out of last yes class philly wouldn't make that trade what sucks is Johnson perfect fit for scheme fins want to run and well Miami coaching staff already proven don't know how to utilize players like him I.e bush and wallace

Trading up for Martin is ridiculous. I'm not even sure he can play tackle in NFL. He's a good player that should be considered if he's there. However, if he goes earlier, then it just means someone else gets pushed lower. Fins should just wait and take fave guy who IS there.

In what decade do we get a franchise QB?

Dion Jordan = Another Irescum bust?

this would be a big winner of a draft:

1- Martin G/T or Sau'Filo G or Mosley ILB
2- Bitonio G/T or Mason RB
3- Borland ILB or Mewhort T/G
4- West RB
5- Norwood WR
6- Watt G OR best player
7- Boston FS

Nothing in the draft is ever a sure thing it's a crapshoot in our case I enfasize crap

Jordan is undersized and always will be he's 230 lbs way to light

He can't anchor the line

Oscar where are you

25 frackin days to go till we reload geez whiz can't we just start now

5 posts in a row. lonely?

Yup lonely and a torn meniscous a real bummer

Hello, Dolfans
Here is the plan!
1.We already have a deal with Clabo on the side for one year. We have J.Fox who will probably be the right tackle to begin the year anyway.So,With that in mind.Watch this.

2.I stay pat at 19 for trade down.To many moving parts in this draft to not be a qb,db,or wr,not heavily desired by 31 other teams.If by chance a cant move.Fine...I take..BPA.either gilbert,beckham Jr.

3.If I can trade down then...I choose 3 of the 6 players in rounds 1-3.Moses,Mewhort,Bitonio,Mason,Richberg,center from Colorodo State can play guard as well.Will start for 10 years plus from day one .And Kounandjio to play right tackle for 8 years till knees give out.

4. Now your front line is covered for 10 years No question.

If we cant trade?
a.1 round-Gilbert,Beckham.
b.2. round -kounandjio,Mewhort.
c.3 round-Bitonio,richberg.
d.4-round-freeman,west.
e.5-round-b thomas OG guard whos hurt but we can afford to sit this year cause believe it or not o-line is our strength.Smile!
f. 6 -round-D.Fales-qb
g. 7-round-The Ol tackle from Marshall no one knows about.
Done deal!Now pick up phone load up on skill players for free agents shots.

The draft is a breathing organism it's always evolving until it's done

It just dawned on me. There is only one scenario for the Fins in this draft and that is this: the dolphins trade down and pick the best guard in the draft. The reason is they have to address the o-line with the first pick(s). They really have no choice. Albert is the only sure thing as far as an upgrade. Shelley is a good pickup but will he be an upgrade? We do not have starting-level material at RG or RT. So not addressing this in the draft would be a disaster. I'd trade down to the lower part of the first, pick up a second or third and pick the best guard with the first and a running back with the extra pick. Double up on the offensive line in the second .

Great point I like it

A SHORT 8 HOURS AGO I WAS BABBLING IN A STATE OF

Drunkeness about Kelvin Benjamin.
Now magically he appears:

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/37558/daily-draft-dish-benjamin-stands-tall

This is a very deep draft

Mojomark @ 11:42

Agree on the state of the problem, disagree on the solution.
Our first pick will be starting on a weak OL, we don't need the 5th or 6th best OL for that - we need the 1st or 2nd best therefore:
Trade 1st + 3rd = move into top 5 = take Matthews
Trade 2nd + 4th = move into back of 1st = take Filo'Swallow

No need to get Martin or Lewan. If Ebron or Mosely are off the board then the smart play is...
TRAAAADE DOOOOOOWN!!

XAXIER SUA FILO will be there late 1st and will be an all pro pulling left guard!! Bank on it!! Dallas Thomas can handle RT.

Then BPA combined with need from there on out. With the mindset that we still need an exciting seam threat TE and an instinctive, strong ILB.

Posted by: Aquaman | April 12, 2014 at 07:44 AM

I agree that between Fox and Dallas Thomas we have a RT. I'd much rather get a pulling LG and open up our run game.

I'm also down for taking a MLB, so long as it's not Mosley. I've watched tons on this guy and I dont see what makes him more than a 3rd rd prospect. Much rather we take Ryan Shazier, Christian Jones or even Borland.

This draft is deep at the QB position. Besides the "Big 3" there could be 4 other bonafide NFL starters coming out.

THE TRUE ARGUMENT FOR PAYING COLLEGE ATHLETES IS NOT

Being spoken - until now.

Here is how a university makes money:
- A PhD applys for a resarch grant for $10mil
- The grant is approved and now the PhD must find someone to do the actual research.
- Post-bachelor students that are trying to earn a PhD are brought in to do the work.
- In order to entice the brightest students the University offers free tuition + paid teaching assistantship + $50,000 STIPEND/per year.
- 4 years later the research is complete, the students earned thier PhD's and the university made a profit of $9.5 mil.

THE ISSUE IS NOT THAT THE STUDENT ATHLETES GET FREE TUITION. THE ISSUE IS THAT THE UNIVERSITY IS PAYING SOME STUDENTS TO MAKE MONEY FOR THE UNIVERSITY AND IT'S PAYING THE FOOTBALL + BASKETBALL STUDENTS NOTHING AND THEY ARE MAKING MORE FOR THE UNIVERSITY THAN THE PhD'S. ALSO THE PhD STUDENTS ARE WHITE/ASIAN. THE STUDENT ATHLETES ARE BLACK.


1. Ryan Shazier
2. Carlos Hyde(trade back into 1st with 3rd rd pick)
4. Billy Turner OT N. Dakota St
5. Matt Hazel wr Coastal Carolina
6. Spencer Long OG Nebraska
7. The Milk man. I don't care

SAM,
Costal Carolina?
N. Dakota State?

You sound an awful lot like Jeff Ireland

Tyler Thigpen is from Coastal Carolina.
The one game we got shut out in 2009 is the game Tyler Thigpen started.

SAM @ 12:17

The scenario could happen. Turner + Hazel + Long look like career backups so they should appeal to Hickey.

ETF

We're talking 4th thru 6th rd. Have you seen the backups on this tam lately? Even our backups need upgrading. A team's only as strong as its weakest links. :)

Many make the mistake only the starters need replacing. On the Miami Dolphins we have some of the weakest backups in the league. :)

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