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Tannehill much to prove, but not the most to prove

This is the time of year we get caught up in bottom of the roster free agent signings and the visits of college prospects that will be drafted on May 10 (in rounds 4-7) or picked up as undrafted free agents.

Can we be honest?

All that is well and good, but the difference for the Dolphins in 2014 will rest mostly in the hands, and right arm, of quarterback Ryan Tannehill.

Entering his third season and first season away from the Mike Sherman offense he's known and sometimes but not always loved the past five years, Tannehill has a ton to prove. Is he ready to make a jump from mediocrity? Is he the future of the Dolphins franchise? Can he be a winner?

Tannehill recently told ESPN's Keyshawn Johnson that, "I've got to make a big jump."

So the Miami quarterback understands the grace period of the past few years is over. Fans want to see more from him -- in the pocket, in big games, on his deep throws, on the leadership front. And coaches, who are counting on him to produce so they can stay employed, are similarly going to ask him to raise his level of play.

But as with all things, the local focus clouds the reality that even though Tannehill is under the microscope in South Florida, he's not nearly under as much pressure as other quarterbacks around the league.

ESPN's NFL live today had a segment on quarterbacks with the most to prove in 2014. It was an interesting exercise. And it showed why Tannehill may feel the need to show significant growth ... but he's not under the kind of pressure other QBs are about to face.

Consider the Salguero list of QBs with the most to prove in 2014:

10. Tony Romo ... He's coming off back surgery and he has the weight of the Metroplex and America's Team on his back. His defense has been terrible and if he doesn't play well, his team will stink. Oh, and by the way, critics don't trust him in late-game situations and he hasn't gotten his team in the playoffs since 2009.

9. Joe Flacco ... That $120 million contract was a wonderful reward for winning the Super Bowl in Feb. 2013, but what did he do for an encore? Flacco's defending champions missed the playoffs last year and were actually eliminated from the playoff hunt in a game Flacco threw three interceptions. Flacco finished 2013 with 19 TDs and 22 INTs.

8. Jake Locker ... This is probably his final chance to prove he's a franchise quarterback before the Titans move on to finding a new franchise quarterback. Locker, going into his fourth season, not only must prove he's a good player but that he's also durable. He played only seven games last season and hasn't played more than 11 in any of his three NFL seasons.

7. Andy Dalton ... It's no longer about the regular season for Dalton and the Bengals, although he's had some notable failures there as well. But Dalton has been terrible in getting what is considered an otherwise very good NFL team to play well in the playoffs. And if you cannot play well in the playoffs, you aren't elite.

6. Eli Manning ... He had a terible season (27 interceptions) behind a terrible offensive line. And he's recovering from ankle surgery. The fact he recovered from his last terrible season with a Super Bowl win and has won the Big One twice is good enough to give Manning the benefit of the doubt for now. But keep playing poorly in 2014 and New York will turn on him.

5. Geno Smith ... Terrible quarterback play was a thing in New York last year. The difference between Smith and Manning is the Jets went out and got a guy to replace Smith in Michael Vick. So the job is Smith's for now, but he has to prove he's better than slightly terrible to keep it.

4. Josh McCown ... Remember him? He was in the Dolphins' 2008 training camp but became expendable when Chad Pennington decided he wanted to play for Bill Parcells. Well, last year McCown was the Godsend, this time to the Bears. He was amazing in throwing 13 TDs and only one INT. And now he's Tampa Bay's starter. But he has to stay on the course he plotted last year to keep the job. And given his career history, that will require hard work.

4, tied. Sam Bradford ... The Rams are committed to him as their franchise quarterback and are paying him $14 million this year as a result. But that takes a lot of faith because Bradford has been unable to stay on the field long enough to convince many people outside the Rams organization he's elite. Pressure is on to do that this year.

3. Colin Kaepernick ... He's been good and he's helped a very good team get good results. But he wants a new contract that pays around $18 million per year and doesn't have the benefit of a championship or classic QB style to drive home the point. So what's it going to be? Are you an $18 million QB? Are you championship caliber? Or not?

3, tied. Matt Schaub ... In 2009 he threw for the equivalent of 2.7 miles (4,770 yards) and was considered a solid if not spectacular starter. But last year, playing for a talented team with great receivers, a fine running back and behind a solid offensive line, Schaub became a human pick six machine. And that got him benched and eventually cut. He's been exiled to the NFL version of Siberia (aka Oakland) now were he must play well to simply stay in the league.

2. Johnny Manziel ... He's not even in the NFL and already he's a magnet for controversy. Does he have a bad attitude? Does he feel entitled? Or does he indeed have that magic he showed at Texas A&M and will it translate to the NFL? Is he the next Russell Wilson or Fran Tarkenton? Oh yeah, whatever QB needy team that takes him will be under immediate pressure to play him.

1. Robert Griffin III ... The Redskins in this draft will continue to pay the ransom of draft picks they gave up to get him and hope that after a terrible sophomore campaign, RG3 can return to his rookie form. The question is will he prosper under QB whisperer Jay Gruden? Will he stay healthy? Will he be more than a spread option, one-read thrower?

So you think Tannehill has a lot to prove? He's not even in the top 10.

It's all relative, folks.

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I'm just interested to see Tannehill play for an OC that isn't Sherm. No idea if Lazor will be better but the fact it's not Sherm makes me happy.

In 32 NFL games

Passing stats:

Kaep has only 11 INTs & 5 Fumbles

Tanny has 30 INTs & 11 Fumbles

Kaep is much better and way better QB instincts

Darkoak....

Those that obsess over Tanne's fault's are just as bad as wanting to be Tanne's #1 fan....

anybody with a bit of common sense can see that he (Tanne) falls somewhere in the middle....and imo...slightly to the left of Franchise....sure he has all the physical tools....but to me...he is a step slow between the ears (reaction time)....

That leads to poor throws....under throws....not leading the reciever....making sure the WR is WIDE OPEN before throwing it....and perhaps worst of all.....SACKING HIMSELF....

still a bit pissed that he ran out of bounds in the 4th quarter of that one game....who does that?????.....maybe a high school QB...or a 1st year starter in college....ONCE....to me that was very Henne like....

Hey Mark, Home seems to be struggling to find those stats for me. Did he ever post them I mean you've dealt with him longer than me. Has he ever backed any if his football claims, hell has he backed any of his chemtrail claims for that matter?

Darkoak,

Sorry did not know how much help u really needed

This is for u, pal

Tannehill worst 3rd down QB in the 2012 NFL:

Ryan Tannehill can't remain NFL's worst QB on third downs
Ryan Tannehill hands off to Marcus Thigpin during training camp, Monday, July 22, 2013, at Nova Southeastern University in Davie.
Ryan Tannehill hands off to Marcus Thigpin during training camp, Monday,… (Joe Cavaretta / Sun Sentinel )
July 25, 2013|By Omar Kelly, Sun Sentinel
Ryan Tannehill's supporters have plenty of excuses for why he was a bottom-tier starting quarterback in the NFL last season.

Tannehill was a rookie with 20 college starts at Texas A&M.

Tannehill needed to become familiar with the speed of the NFL game.

Tannehill didn't have the best weapons around him as a rookie.

The Dolphins didn't allow Tannehill to throw many passes in the red zone.

ALL of these excuses are accurate!

I've heard them all, and you've probably used them all to prop up the player South Florida hopes will become the Miami Dolphins' franchise quarterback.

But the excuses aren't important, or relevant for the 2013 season. What's relevant is what the Dolphins' second-year starter is doing to improve his 76.1 passer rating, which had him ranked the 27th best passer in 2012, and how he'll produce a winning record as Miami's starting quarterback.

PLENTY of improvement is needed considering Tannehill was the WORST third down passer in the NFL last season.

On football's MOST CRITICAL DOWN Tannehill completed 85-of-144 (59%) of his passes for 946 yards, throwing three touchdowns and seven interceptions.

The Dolphins converted 37.7 percent of the team's third downs last season, which ranked Miami 16th in the NFL.

Tannehill had a 65.3 passer rating on third down, and pedestrian quarterbacks like Blaine Gabbert, Brandon Weeden and even Mark Sanchez were better than him.

His rookie contemporaries clearly showed youth and inexperience has nothing to do with third down production. Seattle's Russell Wilson had a 96.2 quarterback rating on third down (5th best in NFL), Washington's Robert Griffin III has a 93.9 (7th best), and Colts quarterback Andrew Luck had a 75.5 passer rating (22nd) on third down.

Just to illustrate the gulf that exists at quarterback between New England and Miami it is important to point out that Tom Brady's 110.8 passer rating on third downs tied him with Green Bay's Aaron Rodgers for the NFL lead on third down efficiency.

Brady threw 13 touchdowns and one interception on third downs.

That's a great example of why he's a first ballot Hall of Fame quarterback who has never had a losing season.

Ur welcome
Love,
Home

1 Denver Broncos 120.7
2 Tennessee Titans 109.3
3 San Diego Chargers 109.0
4 Dallas Cowboys 103.1
5 New Orleans Saints 103.0
6 MIAMI DOLPHINS 101.6
7 Kansas City Chiefs 99.4
8 Pittsburgh Steelers 98.6
9 Oakland Raiders 98.3
10 Philadelphia Eagles 98.1

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/quarterback-rating-in-red-zone/2013/

The kid gets it done inside the 20. If he improves his bomb, doesn't hold the ball too long and uses his legs he'll be good to go. go dolphins!!

Darkoak,

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-07-25/sports/sfl-ryan-tannehill-cant-remain-nfls-worst-qb-on-third-downs-20130725_1_ryan-tannehill-third-downs-miami-dolphins

NH, not sure i agree with your comment, on winners v not winners ...

I would concede that Tannehill is presently not good enough to win with our roster. I mean it's a lot easier to win when you have no team weaknesses. SF and Sea have enough talent to let their qbs struggle and they can overcome it. You think we would have won any games if Tannehill struggled for a half? I think maybe Cincy is the only game that comes close to proving otherwise but it's not like he made any mistakes in that game either. Otherwise every single game we won, he had a well above average performance.


I think Tannehill has proven himself to be an adequate qb if you have a great roster (i.e. dominant defense, top shelf running game, or something of the like) but he is obviously not a Brees, Brady or Peyton or Rodgers either.

I see it's going to be another day of endless Tannehill posting here.

No offense, guys, but just reciting the same things over and over and over ceased to be interesting at about the third post three days ago. It's right up there with watching paint dry at this point.

Got better things to do. Seeya.

Darkoak....Home is still grappling with the link I provided earlier showing Tannehill ranked 9th in pass weighted plays last season.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr/_/sort/cwepaPassesCondensed


This is very important stat and shows that he can throw the ball, but we all know his decision making is 'slow' at Kris points out above.

Bottom line, what has Kapernick done , what has TANNY done, time will tell and then you can judge, my money is on TANNY

Lewan's stock is dropping due to off field issues
Do we take a chance on Lewan?

Give thill the defense and oline kaep has, and see him flourish.

Darkoak, trying to rationally debate with Home is like trying to debate with a mentally retarded clown. Better luck sticking with Kris.

Home is the king of made up stats and half truths and flat out schizophrenia.

Home is a troll. He likes it when you argue blindly with him.

Darkoak,

U Get That, Huh ?!

On football's MOST CRITICAL DOWN Tannehill completed 85-of-144 (59%) of his passes for 946 yards, throwing three touchdowns and seven interceptions.

The Dolphins converted 37.7 percent of the team's third downs last season, which ranked Miami 16th in the NFL.

Tannehill had a 65.3 passer rating on third down, and pedestrian quarterbacks like Blaine Gabbert, Brandon Weeden and even Mark Sanchez were better than him.

His rookie contemporaries clearly showed youth and inexperience has nothing to do with third down production. Seattle's Russell Wilson had a 96.2 quarterback rating on third down (5th best in NFL), Washington's Robert Griffin III has a 93.9 (7th best), and Colts quarterback Andrew Luck had a 75.5 passer rating (22nd) on third down.

Just to illustrate the gulf that exists at quarterback between New England and Miami it is important to point out that Tom Brady's 110.8 passer rating on third downs tied him with Green Bay's Aaron Rodgers for the NFL lead on third down efficiency.

Brady threw 13 touchdowns and one interception on third downs.

That's a great example of why he's a first ballot Hall of Fame quarterback who has never had a losing season.

*** Now don't ever challenge Home about his factual stats again ***

Home knows the Miami Dolphins

Home knows football

Now Get Your Shine Box, Darkjoke!

Yes, Tannehill sucks

Love,
Home

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/15/third-down-conversions-quarterbacks/

Here you go Home. You're wrong, Omar is wrong (not a shock), and ETF will snap as his hero is rated last that season.

FTW!

In what decade will the Dolphins finally land a franchise QB?

All Home stats are Reel

BUTT
The ignorant jaded oblivious Dolfans can't stomach the Truth

All facts above

Home 4 GM

See darkoak, this is what you get with Home, his article is dated from before even the last season started.

he would never acknowledge that Tannehill scored as many Tds as Kaep, or put up over 1,000 more yards, or had the team with the 9th best red zone offense last year despite having a running game that was ranked somewhere near 26th in the league.

No he's not perfect but he's much improved and we will see if he improves further.

This is all that matters, everything else is just white noise, backgorund noise, insignificance ... insignificance, a Hallmark of Home's existence.

Mark cannot see clearly cuz he's slobbering allover Tannefail's pecker

lol

Home has the Tannefail facts 100% accurate

as uasghe

:)

There is nothing a franchise QB couldn't fix on the Dolphins.

Darkoak asked for Tannehill's 2012 3rd down stats

Home provided them and provided other Reel QBs in the NFL on 3rd down

Home is right AGAIN


Home might be the only one here that knows the Reel Dolphin stats

Home 4 GM

Mark...

know for a while it seemed that we were scoring more PPG....and for a short time...the FINS were somewhat exciting to watch....

but in the end....19.8 PPG....probably on par with last seasons snoozers.....

and that equals 26th in the league...out of 32 teams....

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/sort/totalPointsPerGame

Posted by: Reel Dolphin In Sight w Home | April 16, 2014 at 10:19 AM

Just because Omar says it doesn't make it fact Home, lol. Politicians loves people like you.

Check out the stats I provided, otherwise known as "reality".

On football's MOST CRITICAL DOWN 2012 Tannehill completed 85-of-144 (59%) of his passes for 946 yards, throwing three touchdowns and seven interceptions.

The Dolphins converted 37.7 percent of the team's third downs last season, which ranked Miami 16th in the NFL.

Tannehill had a 65.3 passer rating on third down, and pedestrian quarterbacks like Blaine Gabbert, Brandon Weeden and even Mark Sanchez were better than him.

His rookie contemporaries clearly showed youth and inexperience has nothing to do with third down production. Seattle's Russell Wilson had a 96.2 quarterback rating on third down (5th best in NFL), Washington's Robert Griffin III has a 93.9 (7th best), and Colts quarterback Andrew Luck had a 75.5 passer rating (22nd) on third down.

Just to illustrate the gulf that exists at quarterback between New England and Miami it is important to point out that Tom Brady's 110.8 passer rating on third downs tied him with Green Bay's Aaron Rodgers for the NFL lead on third down efficiency.

Brady threw 13 touchdowns and one interception on third downs.

That's a great example of why he's a first ballot Hall of Fame quarterback who has never had a losing season.

HOME, is obviously a puke jet fan, why do you guys give him any attention. That's what starved, bullied , snot nose children crave, stop answering him already.

Posted by: Drying Paint | April 16, 2014 at 10:17 AM

The handle basically describes every post you've ever made on here....boring.

mark
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20-7
fax jax
oh,and put some
sun screen on the back of
u'r neck
u r getting scorched !


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lol

This has got to be the worst football blog I've ever seen (and I've seen some bad ones).

God, are you people boring. Same people--same posts---every freaking day.

GET A JOB YOU OBESE, ALCOHOLIC WELFARE QUEENS!

Home stop quoting Omar and read what I posted, your thoughts on that analysis?

That is the company the Dolphins' franchise savior keeps in his rookie season because of his 72.3 quarterback rating.

Even more troubling than Tannehill's cumulative rating is his performance on football's most important snap, third downs. If that isn't enough pain, here is more.

There isn't a single starting quarterback in the NFL worse on third downs than Tannehill, who has a 60.2 quarterback rating on that critical down.

Execution on third downs - which NFL players often refer to as the "money down" because of the inference they get paid for excelling on it - is what separates the great from the good, the good from the average, and the average from the mediocre.

New England's Tom Brady has a 102.6 quarterback rating on third downs. He completes 67.3 percent of his passes on third down, throwing 11 touchdowns and one interception.

That is great! The Patriots converted 7-of-15 third downs against the Dolphins, and touchdowns followed two of them.

Tannehill is completing 59 percent of those passes with one touchdown and six interceptions in 12 games.

lauren
is that u?
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lol

Kris, true, scoring was below average but the team was above average league wide is passing tds. Does Tannehill have to accept blame for the lack of rushing touchdowns too or would he have to put up Drew brees and Peyton manning type passing Tds to prove his worth?

The offense was inadequate but I think the kid did ok, not great, ok. He sure didn't get one ounce of support from the rest of the offense though ... well teh receivers played well for the most part but our backs were meh and our line? Well, that's this team's identity (to those that don't follow the team daily) ... not our young qb but our pizz poor o line.

Posted by: Fin fan | April 16, 2014 at 10:23 AM

He'll post to anything on here and change his name to appear like someone that just wants to talk football.

Besides debating questionable football opinions and stats is fun.

mediocre = suxx
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lol

Obviously, Andrew Luck at 7th in the league is pretty remarkable for a rookie quarterback. Look at the other rookie quarterbacks: Wilson- 15th, Foles- 23, RG3- 25, Weeden- 28, Tannehill- 31. ALL of the rest of the top 10 are seasoned veterans.
Tom Brady converting more than 50% of his third downs is pretty remarkable.

Hey I got a job, I'm only 3 pounds over- weight, ok you got me on the other two, beer is my best friend, and so what if I like to dress up like LADY GAGA LOL, KNOW THATS FUNNY.

Unfortunately, the most telling stat for QBs is W vs. L. It's not always fair, but it is what it is. Generally a good QB can elevate the players around them, and provide that spark at exactly the right time. Whatever Tannehill does anywhere else, if he can't lead the team to winning more than 8 wins, it's meaningless.

Here's the actual QB 3rd down percentages for 2012 for those that didn't click on the link.

Peyton Manning 79 82 161 49.07%
Matt Ryan 85 98 183 46.45%
Tom Brady 78 96 174 44.83%
Drew Brees 87 111 198 43.94%
Tony Romo 82 105 187 43.85%
Matthew Stafford 98 126 224 43.75%
Russell Wilson 70 90 160 43.75%
Ben Roethlisberger 64 83 147 43.54%
Aaron Rodgers 79 104 183 43.17%
Andrew Luck 87 116 203 42.86%
Michael Vick 51 73 124 41.13%
Ryan Fitzpatrick 66 101 167 39.52%
Christian Ponder 69 108 177 38.98%
Matt Schaub 57 95 152 37.50%
Jay Cutler 59 100 159 37.11%
Philip Rivers 67 114 181 37.02%
Eli Manning 58 100 158 36.71%
Cam Newton 57 100 157 36.31%
Robert Griffin III 49 92 141 34.75%
Sam Bradford 66 125 191 34.55%
Joe Flacco 61 116 177 34.46%
Carson Palmer 56 110 166 33.73%
Ryan Tannehill 56 111 167 33.53%
Josh Freeman 60 122 182 32.97%
Mark Sanchez 53 111 164 32.32%
Brandon Weeden 58 123 181 32.04%
Jake Locker 38 84 122 31.15%
Andy Dalton 46 121 167 27.54%
Chad Henne 31 86 117 26.50%

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I believe most will agree that Tannehill will be gone if he produces an 8-8 or worse record in 2014.

He won't have any excuse for poor performance or for not making the playoffs after all the problems that supposedly affected his performance (e.g., bad o-line, Sherman, etc.) have been eliminated.

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Posted by: Reel Dolphin In Sight w Home | April 16, 2014 at 09:56 AM

That's all Home talks about when he is with us.

Posted by: Reel Dolphin In Sight w Home | April 16, 2014 at 10:31 AM

Hey Home check out the stats I posted, thoughts?

The 2012 3rd down rating is for QB that start

start all 16 games

and Tannehill was the absolute worst starting QB on 3rd down in 2012

period

ANY projected TOP TEN QB that slides down to # 19 needs to be taken.

Posted by: Swami | April 16, 2014 at 10:34 AM

If they are BPA I agree.

"There isn't a single starting quarterback in the NFL worse on third downs than Tannehill, who has a 60.2 quarterback rating on that critical down"

Mark...

Tanne needs help...I do get that....

but I would be more on his side if he helped himself when the oppertunity presented itself....

IE...the LONG BALL to WIDE OPEN Wallace....

a few more plays made with his feet....they tell us he was a WR in college....

Some more accurate and timely passes...hit a guy NOT named Hartline in stride....

Those things go along way to making a QB look more polished.

Admit Tannehill instead of Kuechly was a mistake that sent this franchise back aprox 5 YRS

next year Tannehill is done and then at least 2 more yrs w a new QB

Home shakes his head

Home 4 GM

Home....why are you pushing 2012 stats? How about 2013 stats? Not sure why you're stuck in 2012 with Tannehill?

Posted by: Reel Dolphin In Sight w Home | April 16, 2014 at 10:34 AM

You keep saying it but the stats don't lie. He wasn't great his rookie season but not the worst. Henne was the worst. Hell Dalton was worse and he started all 16 games lol. Look the stats are right there, easy as day. Worst on bottom best on top, I can't dumb it down for you anymore than that.

See, this will be my last comment on this Tannehill topic unless someone asks me directly about the comments in this post.

I am at peace with Tannehill going into this year for the following reasons.

1. Tannehill is in his 2nd pro season. Still inexperienced and growing and has improved since his draft.

2. He produced the 10th most gross passing yardage in the NFL.

3. he produced 1.6 tds passing per game which is at the league average.

4. he orchestrated the 9th best red zone offense in the NFL. I say he because the team had the 26th best rushing attack and no rb scored more than 4 tds on our team and we only got 8 tds rushing all together (one which Tannehill himself got). 8 rushing tds is awful, awful, awful.

5. Although he wasn't great in eliminating turnovers, the team still finished 16th in giveaways so it wasn't horrible .. just average.

So between the main quantitative factors involved in assessing a qbs performance between yards, tds, red zone offense, and turnovers ... if the worst you can say about a 2nd year qb is that he was average in some areas .. then I think that's pretty good.

So this debate on whether he should be our qb going into next year is beyond assinine. he's done nothing to lose the job.

NH,
2012 stats on third down was the question raised by the Brain stem Darkoak

Why not bring up worst deep ball in the NFL out of any starting QB and most back up too = Ryan Tannehill

Armando or the Herald staff can you please take the stats I posted and validate whether they are correct or Omar Kelly was correct as his fan Home is claiming?

Posted by: Reel Dolphin In Sight w Home | April 16, 2014 at 10:40 AM

Then you concede you were wrong then on the 2012 3rd down stat and will no longer use that falsehood as an argument against Tannehill? That's what I am hearing right now.

Cool this is big step for you Home, I'm proud.

Kris, i do concede he has areas to be improved, by no means a finished product... but which qb after year 2 was?

Like you said yesterday, the most important thing is he acknowledges he needs to get better - that's his focus ... not getting paid $18M a year after being average for 1.5 seasons...

Well fellas im in the same boat as Home, Kris, 2Watt. THill is a a below average to average QB which means hes a failure. A QB taken at #8 should be at least top 10 and hes nowhere near there!

Im hoping Teddy B drops in the draft so we can take him if hes falls ir maybe Aaron Murray in the 4 th round. Just in case THill fails which IMo he will we need to have a backup plan. Worst case scenario trade the backup QB or THill for a pic.

So sick of many of you posting these empty stats THill threw for 4000yard. He had over 600 pasing attempts

Week 14 24 TD passing
Week 17 24 TD passing
Whats wrong with that picture? I know he choked!!

Home maybe Armando can work his PFF contacts for the deep ball stats, those would be interesting to see. In fact he should just post all the key stats for Tannehill, that would be a pre-draft post I'd love to see, set the record straight.

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