« Analytics suggest Landry a reach, won't succeed | Main | The draft picks and their roster consequences »

Turner played OT in college, must be G in NFL

One of the problems the Dolphins have had with player development the past few years is they don't always have a clear vision about their talent.

Just prior to this draft, the Dolphins weren't sure if they were going to use 2013 draft pick Dallas Thomas as a guard or a tackle. So a year after picking him, having him in training camp and, indeed, getting him started in this year's offseason program, last year's third-round pick didn't know his position. (He should be a guard, folks).

Dannell Ellerbe, signed to a big-money contract to play middle linebacker last year, may be moving outside this year because that work he did at MLB was no bueno.

Koa Misi was drafted as a 3-4 outside linebacker but he's been taking repetitions as a middle linebacker now -- an experiment that has been tried multiple times during his time with the team. Jared Odrick? Drafted as a 3-4 DE. Now a 4-3 DT.

Dion Jordan? Is he a defensive end? Is he an outside linebacker? What's the vision for him?

And that brings me to Billy Turner, a Dolphins third-round selection in this most recent draft.

Turner played left tackle at North Dakota State as the Bisons won three consecutive FCS (small school) championships. Some teams projected him as a right tackle prior to the draft.

The Dolphins have not said where they want him to settle in.

Here's an idea: The Dolphins should settle Turner in at guard and ...

Keep.

Him.

There.

The Dolphins drafted a right tackle in the first round in Ja'Wuan James. They signed left tackle Branden Albert to a huge contract in free agency.

They have a hole at guard.

Turner, by all accounts, has a nasty personality on the field. He plays with good (should improve) pad level. He's a guard, folks.

The Dolphins do not need him competing with fellow rookie James at RT. It's a waste of repetitions. It asks too much to have him learn both spots right now. It doesn't maximize his chances to contribute early.

If I'm the Dolphins, I do with James and Turner what Don Shula tried multiple times in the 1990s: He picked Richmond Webb to play left tackle and Keith Sims to play left guard in 1990 and that's what the two rookies did every single repetition in practice and every single down in the preseason.

Voila, offensive line issues solved.

Shula tried a similar approach in 1995. He picked Billy Milner to play right tackle and Andrew Greene to play right guard. He didn't mess with position flexibility. He had a vision for both and gave each a chance to maximize at the positions they were selected to play.

It didn't work. Greene was not a brilliant guy or a very hard worker. Bust. Milner's talent was not up to par and he was gone from the team a year later.

But the point is they failed based on their talent level rather than a lack of vision or difficult circumstances created by the team plugging them in here or there.

The Dolphins have picked offensive tackle Billy Turner this draft. Make him a guard. Stick with the conviction. Now, release the hounds.

Let Turner hunt.

 

Comments

Feed You can follow this conversation by subscribing to the comment feed for this post.

thill should be solid this year with a new oline long as the line performs. and no more garbage play calling hopefully

CS, that is a very fair comparison.

Both smallish guys but both have balls the size of grapefruits and show no fear.

Extremely fast, agile and can jump out of the stadium.

And he is one of those that apply his metrics to his play. I fell for this kid when I got a chance to watch him in the post season process. Not only by his results and obvious dedication to his craft but in his interview with Deion Sanders you can see that the stage is not too big for him.

The Chargers got a good one.

Then you got your mother's vision then, what do you want from me?

Mass D, agree 100%. Next year is expected to be a rare year for RBs but choosing a Qb may be the priority.

Yeah I agree. I would have been thrilled if he was the Dolphins pick, but they had needs.

I'm ok with the draft. It needed to be done. Time will tell how good it was. Tripp might end up being the big name from this draft. Turner/James could end up being solid players for years to come.

Anyone see Charles Clay made the top 100 players list? Kind of surprising. Guys good and getting better, but has to keep it up.

Mark

C'Mon down for Miami Dolphins Training Camp

If u r self employed like Home
than u can make it

U can meet Home @ the gate and Home will show u around the field and perhaps a quick VIP tour of the practice facility inside

Darkoak...

It probably has a lot to do with Scott Mitchell coming and not especially terrible in relief of Marino...althogh I was partial to Steve Deberg as the best back-up...

Steve Deberg and the PINKY finger....

don strock easily best backup

If the Phins had taken Verret at 19, I'd have been happy with that. Still huge question marks opposite Grimes. Just a matter of time before Finnegan is hurt and neither Taylor or Davis showed anything last year.

yup mass. fins easily had to get a corner at least second pick and wasted it big time on landry

Home Government assistance doesn't count as self employed.

Your fantasy world is interesting though.

No glasses needed for Home
Never
Just great insight w o being biased

Fact is Tannehill is not a winner, not yet
and he has much improvement need and or remain a below average losing QB

Home Government assistance doesn't count as self employed.

Your fantasy world is interesting though.

Posted by: CommonSense | May 15, 2014 at 10:03 AM

lol
Home = self employed since 1994 w licensed & registered Florida corp

Actually Mark

Home's father was a sniper in the United States Marine corp
and Home has excellent vision

Despite ur mna love for Tanneeehill
He never beat out anyone

Tim Tebow in fact took over a 1-4 team and did way better than tannehill could ever dream about in his first 11 starts and play off win against the Steelers defense

Would sign Tebow today for 3rd string QB in a second and build a dozen good offensive plays around him

Home 4 GM would have John Manz, Tannehill and Tebow
All SIGNED TODAY and on the cheap
Mike Shula would be OC and QB coach with Dan Marino signed as special QB coach during camp for one month or more if he would take it

Manz, Tannehill,Tebow

Every game would ALREADY BE SOLD OUT !!!

Home 4 GM!

Sure ya are buddy :)

Home, i thought you were self employed.

What are you doing running the tours for the tourists like myself?

I thought they usually hire hot young chicks to do it.

Only the Miami Dolphins...

Wish I could buddy, but even though I'm self employed, I have to make face time every day. Brazilian company likes to make everyone show up and work in the office even though I could easily do the work from home.. damn South American dictators!!

MassD, it was a brilliant and obvious draft opportunity for the Miami Dolphins to take a corner there. Verrett and even Roby would've been the top corners in last year's draft - easy.

I still like Taylor an thought he was a very good pick for where he was selected but man Grimes won't last forever and a trio of Grimes, Verrett, Taylor would've served the Dolphins well in the meantime.

COnsidering how the draft went, I wouldn't have cared if the Dolphins traded their 2nd and third and maybe even a mid round pick next year to position themselves for James in the late first.

Anyway, it's done.

dusty, I had Phillip Gaines going in the 3rd to Miami instead of Turner...liked that big fast corner from Rice ...

Mark you gong to the Bills/Dolphins game in Buffalo?

I'm making it up for that one this year.

Actually Mark
"Home's father was a sniper in the United States Marine corp
and Home has excellent vision"

Posted by: Reel Dolphin In Sight w Home | May 15, 2014 at 09:53 AM

All POINTS BULLETIN: OK if there happens to be a serial killer discovered in Fla region at any point in the future it would be irresponsible for ANY poster here NOT to call
"The Tip Line"

Don't do it MIT, it's a trap!!!

Here is one stat that I like about Moreno. Receiving last year was 60/74 548 yards but the YAC is 488. Using him as a pass blocker and the screen gives us a dimension we never had last year.

CS, I will be there. So happy it's week 2 this year instead of near the end of the year. Dolphins got horrible luck with that weather too. It was nasty.

I want to make Detroit too since I haven't been to a game at Ford Field yet.

Garn, Home couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, no worries...

Dusty....

Stock is a bit before my time....

My only images of Strock was the Monday nighter when he was Qbing for the Browns....AGAINST Marino....

Great game....we won on the final drive....if memory serves.....

Opti I agree, the screen is comin to Miami big time I think, look at all those yrs in GB how successful it was & think Moreno pick up has a lot of Philbin stamped on it.

Come on guys, never saw him play as his greatest contribution was before my birth.

But the most important and best performing backup qb in Miami Dolphins history was Earl Morral.

Undefeated, Super Bowl winner - nothing more needs to be said.

Yeah I didn't go last year because of it being Week 16. Week 2 will be good. Looking forward to that one.

I remember people on an Dolphins forum I used to frequent that were obsessed with Cleo Lemon. Called them Lemon Heads lol.

Posted by: Garn79 | May 15, 2014 at 10:31 AM

Losing Cogs and Jerry will make an Oline screen possible. Because we never called them the last two seasons and I think it was because we couldn't execute them, or Sherman really was that dense or both.

Mark.....

If you're one of those guys that believe that RINGS are all that count....then it is hard to argue against you're logic @ 10:32....

So I won't....

The absolute best backup qb's are the ones you do not have to use. Morrall was great for 10 gms when Griese broke his leg and put in a very admirable performance.

Strock on the other hand, was pretty much backup defacto starter. Huge difference. Morrall's situation was we had an unquestionable starter in Griese. Strock, Wood/Strock anyone? This says it all.

Morrrall and Strock'ssitutons were two entirely different beasts.

Kris, don't think it's the end all and be all - but how do you measure teh contribution of a back up?

For me, it's how does it affect the overall performance of the team in a positive manner.

By that measure, Brady was the greatest backup of all time in year 2, Doug Williams and Earl Morrall high on that list.

Biggest failure Dolphins backup has to be Pat White.

MIT, Flutie was an amazing backup apparently from his experience playing. He could simulate just about any style of opposing QB in practice accurately.

Morrall, and yes I saw him play, his game may have been totally unsuited for today's offensive play. He was in the "PERFECT SITUATION" in Miami at the time. Dolphins were a the league's #1 defense that year also. So, Morrall was never put to the test of really playing from behind, and had a very dominating run game

All Morrall had to do was not lose the game. This he did indeed. He didn't throw int's, he knew coach Shula was not having turnovers. Actually, with Morrall, you had to be there to really understand it. The Dolphins of that era were one of the "MOST COMPLETE" teams in NFL history.

There have been "MORE STERLING" championship teams in NFL history, but none more overall complete.

Pat White was not a failure as "a backup qb". Pat White was a failure as an NFL qb PERIOD!

Get it right. :)

Darkoak yes I agree, didn't mean imply it was only the RB position. These linemen should be able to pull and get to the 2nd level. It's a dimension this offence really needs..could come in handy vs Buf

The fact the gmen picked up Jerry says a lot about their Oline woes. Maybe he'll fit better in their system but I doubt it!

Posted by: SAM I AM | May 15, 2014 at 10:58 AM

So how old were you when you saw him play in 1972?

Darkoak, agree with both your points.

YG has to be at least 76. I know I give him a hard time but I applaud him for learning how to use a computer at his advanced age and obvious signs of advanced dimentia.

Manz, Tann and Tebow

Home's QB trio
on the cheap

trade Tann froa high 2nd round pick if he cannot immediately hit the deep ball this season

Moore will not be resigned, too much $
Devlin is certainly Mr. Irrelevant QB

Posted by: Garn79 | May 15, 2014 at 11:00 AM

Every single olineman acquire this offseason and expected to be starters, have the athleticism to do everything you described in this post. Need not worry.

If any are not successful, clearly it was a problem between their ears, not their athleticism.

Posted by: Garn79 | May 15, 2014 at 11:00 AM

You're right, and screens can help protect Tannehill. It really burns an aggressive D to have a well called screen or to audible to it. Screens work well against zone coverage as well. If we're a passing team we need to have our RBs involved in the screen game.

Not expecting much from the fat guy Ju'Waun

Turner will not be able to handle opposing players at this level

Landry was are only good pick

Tannehill should be benched following the bye week
and the Tanneeehole expirement should be over

I think jerry is another in a long line of players this staff had no clue how to use.

No he wasn't a star but look back at his performance when jake Long went down in 2012 and tell me he doesn't play a better left tackle than J martin or Clabo ever did.

Guy could've been our in house answer at tackle but ever since this staff got out here, that's all we saw was him at OG.

I mean look at his size and footwork and tell me that isn't a tackle.

Sam what you said about the "between the ears" thing..

I'm curious if this OC will somehow simplify the O making the transition a bit faster for some of these guys..

Philbin, Hickey and Ross ALL wear glasses

. . . telling

Home has sniper vision and Reel Dolphin In Sight

Should note that by "simplify" I don't mean less dynamic

Lazor has no experience as a play calling OC in the NFL

Dumb dumb Dolfans are enamored w his name, . . . Lazor

so there is that

;)

Actually don't want to alarm anyone but Jerry when he came out was more atheltic than either James or Turner.

He might have ate himself out of that athleticism since then, I don't know - but when he was graduating, the guy had all the earmarks of possibly being a decent tackle and even showed it on the field when given the chance.

Lame Miller dropped two screen passes of 3 YDs last season both on 3rd down

smh

Who needs Chris Johnson ?

Jerry at LT? And some here actually think Mark In Toronto is some kind of football guru. This comment is proof enough.

Just because a guy comes in and does an ok job at LT, for a couple gms, does not mean he'll be effective longterm. Hell, Garner is proof enough of this.

As a backup, Garner gives you 2 decent games a year, then it's "all downhill" from there. Jerry as a fulltime LT?

Mark In Toronto, you really have proven, you've totally lost your mind! :)

Home have you ever played Tackle?
MIT have you ever played receiver?

Exactly! Dumb and dumber!

You guys have no idea what you are talking about. And the fact that you think you
do is quite comical.

Like Odin always says. Sit back and leave the football talk to the big boys.

The Dolphins are rising and to quote Ali "we knocking out all bumbs"

MIT I would like to believe that an experienced coaching staff would explore all avenues with players BUT yeah your right sometimes they see a guy a certain way and get locked into tunnel vision.

Hoping that's not what happens to Turner, from everything I've read on the guy, there's credible evaluators out there who really feel this kid could be a tackle at some point. If so hope that doesn't pass us by!

Grimes and Wake went undrafted

So the Dolphins are quite possibly the worst NFL team in the draft

past 3 yrs we were awful

esp w Kuechly & Manz falling in our laps and the Dolphins reaching and out thinkin themselves

The Dolphins now would have to trade their entire 2015 draft picks, all of them for a
(Home's pick @ #8)Kuechly trade

Soon u could offer our entire 2014 Draft picks, all of them and u still wont get Manziel

Kuechly + Manz

Home 4 GM

Sam, you must have slept through those 4 weeks or so Jerry played left tackle for an injured Long. It's ok, as you get older, you forget things easier. Not saying he should be our left tackle but if he had kept himself in check, he may have developed into a solid right tackle for us... I mean it was a position he was actually projected for.

Jerry at his coming out weight of 328 pounds was a very solid talent.

But din't he balloon up to about 360? Guy wasted it...

Our new fat guy dumb arse Ju"Wuan was dumbfounded and confused when someone simply handed him a $5.00 wooden hand saw
Ju'Waun almost cut himself just picking up the saw
and was terrified of this complex object, not sure what end to hold

lol

what an idiot!

smh @ not picking Johnny Football for QB competition/ possible Great Franchise QB

plenty of stupid fat guys in the next 100 picks for RT

I'm not worried about Turner, Garn. For where he was drafed, it was a solid investment.

I don't know if he's a day one starter but I don't care about that.

Home OC has one thing in common with all great and not so great OC's..

They all got their shot at some point..

should of taken murray and jean baptiste

No Home started and played skilled positions

WR and LB

then
WR & safety

also always KR/PR

have a HAARPy day

Even now Home still has WHEELS :)

« 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 »

The comments to this entry are closed.