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Dolphins new offense asks a lot of Tannehill (and others)

Ryan Tannehill played 51 games (19 in college and 32 with the Dolphins) under the old Mike Sherman offense. It was so familiar to him that, as a rookie, he often helped veterans on the Dolphins learn the nuances of it. It was comfortable for him. It was home for him.

The new offense coordinator Bill Lazor is installing for the Dolphins leaves Tannehill just as unfamiliar with the scheme as any other player and perhaps less than some players more familiar with variances of it. Rookie Jarvis Landry, for example, says he ran the same Dolphins plays at Louisiana State under former Dolphins head coach Cam Cameron, who is now the LSU offensive coordinator.

So Tannehill has work to do and, clearly, his abilities on the field and work ethic and ability to digest information off it will be tested in the run up to the regular season.

Can he get it all down and be proficient quickly after coasting in the knowledge of the old scheme the past few years?

 “I think so," Tannehill said. "I think we already have a baseline of going through it just the beginning stages at this point.  There’s still a learning curve.  It’s not going to come overnight.  It’s going to take some time not just for me but for all of our guys.  The receivers are running routes that they haven’t run before doing adjustments that we haven’t done before, so there’s going to be a learning curve but that’s what this time is for.  This spring practice that we have, everyone here, it’s getting better when they have to be here because we’ll have a full camp here.

"t’s a learning process.  We’re doing some different things in the backfield that we haven’t done before.  We’ve been doing it on air but it’s completely different when you throw a lot of defense out there then you’re trying to process a lot more information so it’s the fun process.  I’m exciting to get in and watch the tape and see the mistakes I made and how I can correct them.  But that’s what this time is for and I’m just excited that we have this time, that we’re able to get everyone out here, have all the receivers out here that are healthy working and just start building that chemistry just a little bit so when the ball comes we are ready."

About those receiver running routes and making adjustments they haven't done before ...

One of the complaints I had about Sherman's offense last year was there was hardly any motion used to help receivers get free of coverages. Indeed, receivers often lined up in the same place play after play as a so-called strategy.

Not so with Miami's new offense. Receivers will be in motion a lot.  There will be five players in the pass pattern a lot -- that coming in multiple combinations such as two WRs, two TEs and a RB or 3 WRs, a TE and a RB. And most of the time, receivers will have options on their routes.

This Dolphins offense places a premium on speed that the so-called West Coast offense of the past couple of years did not. Mike Wallace is happy about that. This offense requires a strong-armed QB and Tannehill fills that need well. The offense also relies a lot on timing. Tannehill will often be throwing to a spot and expect the WR to be there.

That can be good as it will get the ball out quickly. But that can also be problematic if the receiver and quarterback are not in synch, as sometimes happens when things are new.

The new scheme also requires Tannehill to fix the deep ball accuracy issue of the past because otherwise the long ball -- and the offense often looks long first and then works back -- is of no effect.

So the chemistry between Tannehill and Wallace is a bigger deal than last year.

 “Well it’s big. It’s big time," Tannehill agreed. "I think that’s one thing you looked at from last year is just connecting more.  Not only on deep balls but just connecting more on every run and he’s been here working in the offseason and putting forth a lot of effort and that’s exciting from a veteran guy like that who’s been in other organizations that maybe haven’t had the same offseason type program that we have.  For him to come here and be working this year it’s exciting."

Much work needs done on this. During Tuesday's OTA session, Tannehill tried one deep pass to an open Wallace that I saw. He overthrew it. So the issue isn't exactly fixed yet.

Look for a lot of inside running out of the new Dolphins offense -- something that might give Daniel Thomas more of a shot at making the team than even I previously thought because he's the biggest back on the team. (Yeah, I'm still not convinced he's it. He's had three seasons and shown very little. I doubt suddenly he has an epiphany in Year Four and becomes John Riggins.)

The Dolphins' new offense places a big demand on the tight end. It was out of this kind of offense that Kellen Winslow Sr. and Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates gained prominence. Is Charles Clay, coming off a breakout season, ready to take another big and significant step in his development?

The Dolphins used a lot of double tight end formations at Tuesday's OTA so are Michael Egnew and Dion Sims ready to become factors? (Rookie Arthur Lynch is nursing some sort of injury that seems minor.)

The possiblities are grand. But the possibilities for a grand disappointment also exists. Remember that Cameron's version of this same offense didn't exactly lead to a great season in 2007.

"It’s fun. Just the way things turned out last year wasn’t what we were looking for," Tannehill said. "Personally, from a team standpoint, from an offensive standpoint, to come out, kind of have a fresh start, new identity, new offense with really talented players across the board.  You know you look at our roster, especially on the offensive side of the ball, you see a stacked receiver room.  Brought in Knowshon  (Moreno) in the backfield.  The guys up front that we brought in are really talented players and I’m just excited I get to play with them."

 

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did lazor change tannehill's go an go-go?

I said it when they first hired Lazor, and am glad that Lazor is doing it. The Success of the "Chip Kelly Offense" is that the QB has 2.5 Seconds to release the ball after the snap. That means the QB better make quick decisions. I also believe that releasing the ball quick causes less turnovers. Doesn't give the defense time to pressure the QB and doesn't allow the QB to over think the throw.

Posted by: Dashi | May 28, 2014 at 09:35 AM

And just like 2007 the team will burn out and have several 3 and out series, quickly, and the defense will have to carry the burden. Like the past 2 seasons, but faster.

How many times did the team sack Brady last season? Bill and Brady have made a dynasty from 5 yard passes that are out in 2 secs

So the Dolphins are going to use the old Coryell strategies basically. Everything old is new again.

We as fans get excited about change. Sometimes the change is to something we've already tried before. Thanks for not being fooled.

It's been stated by me and several others.
QBR, TQBR, Yards per attempt, TD efficiency, etc, etc, etc. The list goes on
Sources? NFL.com, ESPN.com or ANY other site that tracks stats
Posted by: Marc | May 28, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Are you sure it's "EVERY" stat though?

HAHA. "EVERY". Maybe not, 90% of all meaningful stats? certainly.

He's definitely near the bottom more often than he's near the top.

This is obvious based on his QBR rating, which is COMPREHENSIVE!

Are you trying to split hairs?

Since nobody else is here and I'm bored I'll play along for now

I dont normally read the transcripts. But I highly recommend reading the transcripts of Bill Lazor, it is a fantastic and gives me a little chubby!!

Where is the BLOG POST titled "POUNCY is a JACK@SS".....

#tradepouncy

Lol spree....only if they changed John Jerry slapping Pouncey's leg as well.

Wonder how many other tells our OL and QB had last year.

By default, no matter how Lazor does, it has to be better than what Sherman gave us.

Tanny's TQBR sits him right behind all of the decent QBs including some that people wouldn't expect, and in front of a bunch of scrub QBs, two of which beat Miami the final two games.

Lazor definitely sounds like an improvement over Sherman. It would be nice to see the Dolphins field a team with an effective offense. It has been a little while.

This team does have potential. Be interesting to see if Egnew can earn his keep as a receiving TE. Would surprise a lot of people.

Posted by: Marc | May 28, 2014 at 10:17 AM

Ok so you embellished to make a point, and what you originally said was technically inaccurate. I'm OK with that. It does affect the credibility of your upcoming arguments though, just saying.

For the record it looks like Lazor might just put Tannehill through the crucible he needs to be put through to know if he has it or not this season. Tannehill needs a fire lit under him, and an Oline that can block for us to know for sure.

If he's not a top 15 passer this year then we should be looking QB next draft IMO.

Sup kris,


Not trying to get in a debate. But the more I think about it. The more I see it from Pouncey's point of view. Kris, I know we disagree about Jonathan Martin. You think he was mis-treated terribly and I think he handled EVERYTHING the wrong way and sold out an entire team.

I think Pouncey has a sense of humor that rubs people the wrong way and comes across as immature. These things are true, but does that make him a bad person? He never gets in trouble off the field. Yes I know there were things said about him when he was at UF, but was anything ever confirmed and has anything happened since?

I was one of the people who thought his joke after J James was drafted was a dumb move, only from a PR perspective.

But the more I think of it. Why should Pouncey have to change his personality and act a certain way, when he isnt hurting anyone? He does his talking on the field and does what he supposed to with training and such and teammates love him.

Perhaps my immature sense of humor falls in line with his, hence I am defending him. Look at all my posts, I am always talking about wieners and sex websites. This behavior might make people think I need to go see a psychiatrist. Why because I like what I like and think what I think and act how I act?

At the end of the day. We all need to be honest with ourselves and other people. Whether they like it or not. The PC world is meant to squeeze the life / soul out of people, who think differently.Doesnt mean you are crazy or need a shrink.Perhaps you being in the military adds to our different points of view . If I was Pouncey I would hate Jonathan Martin till they day I die and I can honestly say I dont hate anybody I know.

Let's get this straight: "Tannehill" beat "Brady, Luck and Ryan", but lost to Geno and Thad. Does that mean that "Geno and Thad" are better than "Brady, Luck and Ryan"?

Everybody Knows, in 2 watts mind it is

Posted by: EVERYBODY KNOWS | May 28, 2014 at 11:06 AM

It's a team game anyone with half a brain gets this. Though a great performance or really great game plan can tip the scales.

Hey Marc see if you knew this, RT 10th in yards, 22nd in yards .1 behind Brady, and 12th in TD's in the NFL. That doesn't sound too bad.

Sorry 22nd in passing percentage, .1 behind Brady.

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phins ol gave up
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against the jets
who is to blame for the 3 int's?
the stupid homers blame Sherman
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lol

rdubs.....just a reminder that YOU said "little" chubby, not us

you see everybody knows? he will continue to make that argument even if tannehill lights it up this season and gets us to the playoffs, he will use the last two game scenario next summer lol. lameeeee

If Wallace caught that deep pass that he dropped in the endzone the last possession against the 1st bills game we would have won and made the playoffs. but no Wallace had to drop a beuatifull pass from tannehill.

Comp % 34th Henne 31st
YDs avg 37th Geno Smith 29th
INTs, 7th Henne 9th
1st down % 23rd tied w Ponder
58 sacks 1st 2nd, 48 Flacco
QBR 34th, Fitzpatrick 31st

That's not even getting into the advanced stats
The 2nd half of game and 4th quarter stats being dead last or close to it

TH had numerous games last year where his stats/rating were good, but unfortunately enough where those same stats were lousy and offset the good performances.

we've all seen the upside and talent--his biggest issue is he needs to deliver that consistently, and cant be "awful" or close to it at all--its consistency that he needs to develop....Brady/Brees/Rodgers and others dont always have great games, but they never/rarely have awful games--TH needs to eliminate the awful games.....and his ratings/success will be fine

I don't think Tannehill or the team as a whole can be truly evaluated on last year's performance. It was an anomaly because of the Martin thing that would not go away. Pride and confidence are so important in playing any kind of sports. They went out and beat good teams (Pittsburg for one) and all the media wanted to know was what happened with Martin and Ingognito. Tough to keep your perspective.

Add to that half the draft class was injured all year and you have a truly perplexing situation. Ireland and Sherman lost their jobs during the fiasco. I am not sure that was justified but time will tell.

Good point benz & everybody.

Though I do think Sherman needed to go one way or the other. If they didn't have the players/talent to fit his scheme then he needed to adapt. He didn't do that. Didn't make adjustments. Couldn't even move a WR.

Also rdubs you getting a chubby whatever the size doesn't necessarily take a whole lot these days. Per your recent post.

Rdubs...

I see you're post...

Work has been busy as of late...

I will give you a decent responsetomorrow or Friday at the latest....

I have quite afew thoughts on you're boy Pouncy....

one of them being this...

#TRADEPOUNCY

i agree with marc....we can only make so many excuses.....i'm a TH supporter but the facts are facts, and the kid needs to produce consistently and especially at the key times in a game--performance was way lackluster to flat out bad on plenty of 3rd downs, and in the 2nd half (late in games)--he just came up short in way too many important times/plays....I was frustrated often at how he seemed to just "give away" numerous plays with poor/lackadaisacal throws, or sacks he took, or his unwillingness (at times) to scramble and try to make something happen).....numerous times he had plenty of time (several seconds at least) and when he couldnt find an open WR, he simply took the sack instead of rolling out of the pocket--just gave away too many plays, with little to show for them....then pressed in the 4th quarter as time was running out--not good

What if bully scandal never existed, what if the line was competent enough to not give up 58 sacks, what if we had a better run game, what if mike Sherman had a brain to gameplan? what if

I just heard on NFL Network that Johnny Football has a degree in advance calculus.

I guess Home really did hear that.

Tannehill's ratings and stats were not earned in a vacuum. The first half of last year, Brady's stats were horrible because his supporting cast was stinking it up. As a matter of fact, I thought he played his best at that time. The Patriots won with Defense last year. Brady had a team and system around him he could count on.

agree sense.....I dont think Sherman did TH or the offense in general any favors--he was brutal, unimaginative, questionable/lousy play-calling.....in fairness to TH, Sherman and Zac Taylor seemingly did little to help him to develop/progress--hopefully Lazor will

yes, pouncey is a direspectful clown who doesnt seem to grasp his standing at the moment (or more likely doesnt care)....but the idea of trading him is ridiculous--he's one of our top players and IS our top OLman, and area that we can ill-afford to weaken further.....plus lets be honest.....many NFL players are clowns/meatheads, with similar attitudes or at least not great attitudes....troublemakers, bad dudes, whatever--they aint boy scouts, so are you sure his replacement would be better?--deal with it...

What if, I agree.

But you cannot just say "no excuses" and then place the blame on Tannehill. If the rest of the team was still running the ball and blocking, I would be right there with you calling him out.

Run the damn ball and TH will do better.
Stop the run and TH will do better.

Too many times last year our offense sputtered to a 3 and out...then our defense could not stop the run, or stop on 3rd down.

...net result: a tired defense and a out of sync offense

Run & stop the run = victory

Benz. After listening to Lazor, I have to agree that Sherman did not place the intensity on things that he does.

The statement of "the receivers will catch up" led me to believe that just because you see an interception in practice,don't blame it on Tannehill. Of course it may be his fault, but it keeps the reporters off the players backs and lets them learn. IMHO a much better set up for the players. It is amazing how many times last year we were up or down based on how many int's were thrown in practice.

Why should Pouncey have any regrets? Regrets are for poosies. Good for Pouncey #NOREGRETS

"Rookie Jarvis Landry, for example, says he ran the same Dolphins plays at Louisiana State under former Dolphins head coach Cam Cameron, who is now the LSU offensive coordinator."
-Mando


So Cam Cameron's offense is all the rage?

Posted by: JUSTIN CREDIBLE | May 28, 2014 at 11:33 AM

How does he have a degree when he didn't finish college? That's the smell test question.

Trade a guy because he speaks his mind and doesn't back down from his stance? Trade a guy because J Marty is a giant poosie? Trade a guy that is a top 5 center in the NFL because you think he is a meany? Because you think he is stupid? Half the players in the league would be out of a job.

#GETREAL. #KRISISALAMEASS. #HASHTAGSAREFORHOMEOS

For better or worse I am excited for this season to get underway.

I'm excited to see how Tannehill progresses in his 3rd year and to see the new wrinkles in our offense with Lazor at the helm.

Of cousre I'll admit I was also excited to see the multi-formation high octane offense that was advertised 3 years ago. That one never completely materialized. At least consistantly.

It is good to read that the players are engaged and seemed to be on board with the changes. Even on defense Wheeler and Ellerbe seem enthusiastic about the experiment with Misi in the middle.

Unless I'm just reading articles in the wrong places all of the players seem like they are happy to be in Miami. No contract disputes, in fighting, or malcontents. It is early though.

he has an associates of advanced calculas ha ha ha ha

Tannehiill is the second coming of John Beck.

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LET ME GET THIS STARIGHT

Cam Cameron goes 1-15 and gets fired so
Wayne H hires Parcells to make changes and
Parcells Hires Ireland as GM and
Ireland hires Philbin as HC and
Philbin hires Lazor as OC and
Lazor is installing Cam Cameron's offense?

SOUNDS LIKE BUSINESS AS USUAL

Posted by: JUSTIN CREDIBLE | May 28, 2014 at 11:33 AM
How does he have a degree when he didn't finish college? That's the smell test question.
Posted by: Darkoak | May 28, 2014 at 12:02 PM

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Not to mention the fact that we could live without Home having that info. If it were true.

So Cam Cameron's offense is all the rage?
Posted by: FckFace | May 28, 2014 at 12:00 PM

Cam Cameron was an awesome OC while he was with the Chargers. Despite our 1-15 yr under him, Ronnie Brown was having an awesome yr before he got injured. When Trent Green went down the wheels came off. That whole team just stunk.

Marc don't know where you get your stats but here is the truth, comp percentage Brady 21st with 60.5%, Rt 60.4% 22nd in the league. Int's 17 tied with Matt Ryan and less than Matthew Safford, less than Andy Dalton, less than Joe FLACCO , less than Carson Palmer, less than Eli Manning.

Posted by: FckFace | May 28, 2014 at 12:00 PM

cameron is a phenominal OC and a great offensive mind.

"Much work needs done on this. During Tuesday's OTA session, Tannehill tried one deep pass to an open Wallace that I saw. He overthrew it. So the issue isn't exactly fixed yet"

Cause one pass gives you enough info to make a valid conclusion. Ludicrous. Show some objectivity. Say the truth. It is inconclusive as of right now.

The "C.Cameron system". Which is a version of the Coryell system. But coming by way of N.Turner. is based more on power formations!! This version (C.Kelly) of the Coryell system is more based on the M.Martz system, with the exception that this will be a run oriented version of the greatest show on turf.

Posted by: Jmike | May 28, 2014 at 12:07 PM

It called cherry picking data, it's a common technique when debating.

To make a more telling argument he could have said Tannehill rated poorly in QB stats that measure accuracy. This would be true, and has stats to back it.

Most people are too lazy for that when arguing so they use absolutes. I work as an analyst by trade so I need to see things from both sides, people debating only want to see there arguments vindicated.

Jmike @ 12:07

Matt Ryan is an elite, franchise QB who by definition raises the level of play of those around him. He is not allowed to be touched by defenders and he is not responsible for what happens on defense or special teams. When the Falcs go 4-12 it is despite the best effort of Matty-Ice.

Posted by: FckFace | May 28, 2014 at 12:00 PM

cameron is a phenominal OC and a great offensive mind.

Posted by: Salt and Vinegar Chips | May 28, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Agreed. Just not a good motivator or talent evaluator.

7 4th q's
with 0 td's
y is it u dumb dumb's
don't talk 'bout that?

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During Tuesday's OTA session, Tannehill tried one deep pass to an open Wallace that I saw. He overthrew it. So the issue isn't exactly fixed yet.

THAT'S A BINGO !

During Tuesday's OTA session, Tannehill tried one deep pass to an open Wallace that I saw. He overthrew it. So the issue isn't exactly fixed yet.

WINNER, WINNER
CHICKEN DINNER

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