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Quickie reaction to Dennis Hickey draft presser

Well, you know there was no news made at Thursday's Dennis Hickey press conference when the topics of Zack Martin, Cyrus Kouandjio, or Teddy Bridgewater didn't come up but there were extended conversation and multiple questions asked about Leslie Nielsen playing Hickey in an imaginary draft day movie.

It all started when Hickey said he'd pick Nielsen to play him in that move.

"The serious Leslie Nielsen," Hickey said, "Not the Naked Gun guy."

Shirley, Hickey won this presser.

On a serious side Hickey says the Dolphins board in the early rounds is set up. there might be minor tweaks made there before Thursday's start of the first round. The team is still working on later rounds and priority free agents.

The Dolphins have been with the rehabilitation of their injured wide receivers, Hickey said, adding that he's been "pleased" with the manner Brian Hartline, Brandon Gibson and Armon Binns have looked in the offseason conditioning program.

Hickey said he orobably prefers more picks to earlier picks. No idea if that's in this draft or as a philosophy, but to me that suggests he'd be wide open to a trade back.

And if you combine the fact the higher rated RTs -- Jake Matthews, Zack Martin -- will likely be gone by the time the Dolphins are on the clock at No. 19, I believe that suggests Hickey will try to trade back.

“We definitely explore all avenues that we feel like we can help the team," Hickey said. "We’re in contact with other GMs to see where they stand and what their ideas and thoughts are going into the draft. We’re exploring all avenues – trading up, trading down – and we’re prepared for that

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And if you combine the fact the higher rated RTs -- Jake Mathews, Zack Martin -- will likely be gone by the time the Dolphins are on the clock at No. 19, I believe that suggests Hickey will try to trade back.


Posted by Armando Salguero at 01:59 PM | Permalink

Looking at value in a draft were you'll have players with 1st Rd grades in most drafts scattered in Top-100! Go Mr. Hickey and exercise the draft demons of the last decade by hitting on 3 players in the Top-100 like the Chargers of 2013!!

Mark,

From the last blog...

You still hoping for someone like Gabe Jackson in the second? Still a fan?

Darkoak = MORON
deity = MORON
dashi = MORON
dbo the great = MORON
all canadiens = MORONS.

lazor
not a fan
of tpuke
so there is
bic at the
end of the tunnel
.
lol

Apparently, f4l, as he practically grew up in the OB, his Maternal Grandfather played American Football in Cuba. Perhaps my uncle, Raul Canosa, coached him.

Posted by: oscar canosa | May 02, 2014 at 02:08 PM

My Granfather like alot of people in those days went to School in the U.S. while speaking perfect English. At the Country Club in Havana by the way they had there Semi-Pro Football League's from what I was told by those of his Generation who played the game as well and were very diverse in American Culture back when you rode a fairy to and from the Island to the States. Those whose families were among the 1st to migrate as far back as between 59-62 are quick to have the Old Timers tell you that Castro wasn't the 1st exposure to the U.S. It surprises me that you wouldn't know that given you post alot about what it was like in the ERA before Castro were you claim you came from an affluent family??

i am going to
throw a parade down calle 8
just like texas a+m did when tpuke
is finally gone
oscar will be on his float
.
lol

Trading back is not a bad option, adds depth and prevents one from making a pick just to make a pick. Not sold on Mosley as a pass defender, but he seems to kill it as a run stuffer. But its a predominantly pass first league now. So if you can't get lucky and grab the NC TE (Ebron), and can't get the O-lineman you want, trade back, build picks for the future.

I'm moist now.

Cyrus Kouandjio, great RT and a good pick for a team with OL problems. Maybe trade back and get him.

Lets hope for some continuity between Hickey and the coaches.We need to play Rookies this year or Tanne will beon his back as much as last year.Get a plan BIG JOE P GO PHINS!!!!!

Where is Oscar Canosa? I want him to demonstrate some of the tribal chants and war cries of his native people. Also, show us how they make potions to ward off evil spirits.

I got nothing better to do than sit here all day waiting to be first on a new post. Unfortunately their are many other losers with nothing better to do either. WE never accomplish anything in life and criticize those that do. Aren't we special?

Trading back, the absolute best we'll get is a GLORIFIED 3RD ROUNDER, whoopee foopie doo!

Even trading back a little, 5th-6th rd'er at best. Have to be one lucky mutha-ucker to find a star here. Basically you're trading down to acquire more "draft-clutter".

Even trading down with SF for pick 62(glorified 3rd rd'er), the only advantage is getting a better shot of drafting Aaron Murray a rd early. There no other advantages. Not really worth sacrificing on the quality of 1st rd player for this.

Sure, you can trade down and get an extra pick somewhere. But this starting roster in Miami needs more quality, not quantity. The moves a gm makes absolutely has to match the state of his team. Trading down does not match the state of this starting roster. Need more quality starters, not quantity.

Anyone who can not see this, well, are not you use to losing yet?

“We definitely explore all avenues that we feel like we can help the team," Hickey said. "We’re in contact with other GMs to see where they stand and what their ideas and thoughts are going into the draft. We’re exploring all avenues – trading up, trading down – and we’re prepared for that

HOw does this quote say that he'd prefer to trade back?

Perhaps he said something else to make you think that. But this quote tells me everything is on the table - not an impetus for trading down..

There is absolutely nothing wrong with trading down if a draft does not go as planned and a player you have targeted will still very likely be around with a later selection.

Jimmy Johnson made a career of doing it. Bill Walsh and the dynastic Niners of that era as well.

There is NOT any "magical formula" to the draft or any one way to do things. You react to the draft as things unfold and respond accordingly.

Craig, Gabe jackson is still a solid pick in the 2nd round. Still some guys I like more but the team could doa lot worse IMO.

Jackson and Smith would give you some serious push in the run game...

our oscar canos is poor white trash, everyone knows that.

he's as Cuban as Craig M.

If Donald/Mosely/Hyde are still on the board, Hickey would be a fool to trade down. All 3 of these guys should be amongst the more productive rookies in 2014.

Take an olineman in the 1st? WHY? After Zach Martin, there isn't a huge drop off in the quality of olinemen available after him. If there were, I would say hell yeah, take an olineman 1st rd no matter what.

There are a couple 2nd rd olineman that could be as good if not better than these olinemen expected to go top 15.

Ahhhhhg. Anyone got a smoke?

hahaha, inside a horse...

I would not spend the 1st two picks on oline unless Zack Martin fell to us at #19. Then I would go David Yankey or Trai Turner 2nd rd.

This is the only scenario I would go 1st two picks, oline.

Posted by: SAM I AM | May 02, 2014 at 01:00 PM

Sam,

I agree that Trai Turner has the potential to be just as good as Sua-Filo, just not at the same position and not in a zone scheme.

Turner doesn't have the same lateral movement skills that Sau-Filo does and is more of a mauler. AKA, a younger Incognito that is slightly quicker. He would be a RG on our team.

We need a LG that can pull and make blocks on quicker defenders in space. Aren't you tired of having screens blown up in the backfield because we don't have a guar that can pull and finish blocks in space?

IMO, the unraveling of our offense at the end of the year was that teams knew we didn't have a back that could consistently run up the middle and we didn't have the lineman with the lateral speed to get blocks outside for sweeps and cutbacks. That pretty much turned us into a pass only offense which isn't what you want to be with a 2nd yr QB .

Oscar lives in Hialeah, which is known to be one of the most elegant and exclusive cities in the world. It is a global center of finance, culture, and vibrant nightlife and fine dining.

As someone who's actually been to Paris twice and the State of Florida many, many times, I find that 3:02 post hilarious.


Trading back is not a bad option, adds depth and prevents one from making a pick just to make a pick. Not sold on Mosley as a pass defender, but he seems to kill it as a run stuffer.

Posted by: Nick M | May 02, 2014 at 02:27 PM

ROTFLMAO! What rock did you just slither from under?

1st of all, at many positions on our roster we're starting "DEPTH PLAYERS". And you want to add "MORE DEPTH.

2NDLY, Mosely is "HANDS DOWN" the best pass coverage mlb in this draft. Dude, you should find a new barber. Where you get your football news from now, nobody knows sheet. Including you. :)


Perhaps he said something else to make you think that. But this quote tells me everything is on the table - not an impetus for trading down..

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | May 02, 2014 at 02:52 PM

Perhaps it's the DIRECT quote from Hickey that he prefers MORE picks?

Some of you should not be allowed to post until you can comprehend the English language.

ok, enough is enough fellas, we have to nip this in the butt


Posted by: The Woodshed Gang | May 02, 2014 at 03:01 PM


No offense, please catch up man. Shelley Smith is our new pulling guard. We do not have to necessarily have two pulling guards. Its a luxury, not a necessity.

The more picks Ireland had, the worse job he did of drafting.

Sam,

In a zone scheme, you need 2 guards that can pull. Shelly Smith will be a very good RG for us, we need a LG.


Jackson and Smith would give you some serious push in the run game...

Posted by: Mark in Toronto | May 02, 2014 at 02:55 PM

You know I've never been to the fan draft party in the NSMB (Saban Memorial Bubble) I may go this Yr. I never went before because I like sitting down and following whose coming off the Boards, whose dropping ect.... This Yr. though I might just attend!

Posted by: The Woodshed Gang | May 02, 2014 at 03:14 PM


I think you need to Google "zone scheme blocking". You're either leaning to your "own understanding" or rehashing errant crap from someone else.

Zone blocking only means you will not blocking the defender lined up across you from the snap of the ball. In some cases its "double teaming" at the point of attack where you plan to run.

Where does this "must be a pulling guard" to play zone comes from? It's more, "offensive linemen need to be athletic".

Looking at value in a draft were you'll have players with 1st Rd grades in most drafts scattered in Top-100! Go Mr. Hickey and exercise the draft demons of the last decade by hitting on 3 players in the Top-100 like the Chargers of 2013!!
Posted by: fin4life | May 02, 2014 at 02:05 PM

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I concur.....and


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There is absolutely nothing wrong with trading down if a draft does not go as planned and a player you have targeted will still very likely be around with a later selection.
Jimmy Johnson made a career of doing it. Bill Walsh and the dynastic Niners of that era as well.
There is NOT any "magical formula" to the draft or any one way to do things. You react to the draft as things unfold and respond accordingly.
Posted by: common sense | May 02, 2014 at 02:55 PM

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I concur again. And I also agree with you both. :)

Woodshed Gang,

A pulling run play isn't even zone scheme. It's a power play. Right from the pages of the old Lombardi Green Bay sweep.

The more picks Ireland had, the worse job he did of drafting.
Posted by: SAM I AM | May 02, 2014 at 03:11 PM

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Good point. I think it opened him up to more free wheeling like giving extra picks for Daniel Thomas.

Please mother of Satan please stop talking about LINEMEN! What did Long do? How about Pouncey? Smiley? Carey? Blah, blah...They're linemen. As long as they aren't weak sissies like Martin and the QB gets the ball out it doesn't matter

Normally I like trading back but this year I feel the roster is deep already and all of last year's picks are still on the roster and I expect most to contribute this year. Extra picks might just end up being late cuts.

Pulling guards help on Oline screens and counter runs primarily. Two things you can do to burn aggressive pass rush and stacking the box respectively. Pulling guards give you more flexibility and create mismatches.

nip?

is that an asian racial slur?

I don't condone those actions...

Where does this "must be a pulling guard" to play zone comes from? It's more, "offensive linemen need to be athletic".

Posted by: SAM I AM | May 02, 2014 at 03:20 PM

Yes and yes. To pull you have to ALL of your lineman be capable of moving well laterally. Otherwise the defender lined over the pulling guard goes unconstructed into the backfield. So you want ALL of your lineman to be able to move in space and make blocks at the second level to seal a running lane.

Thanks for emphasizing my point.

faggit @ 3:07, show me the direct quote in the blog up above where HE says he likes more picks as a definitive statement and not Mando paraphrasing, please..

Marc,

You're right. 58 sacks against last year and no running game to speak of. Nah....no need for linemen on this team. Lets just keep drafting perimeter players and let our QB get killed. Great idea!

"Hickey said he probably prefers more picks to earlier picks"
Yeah, he's not trading up. He gets it. The "We're exploring all avenues.." is something all GMs say.

MassD, interesting since the direct quote he says is ...

"We’re exploring all avenues – trading up, trading down – and we’re prepared for that"

Something tells me you guys read what you want to read..

Unless I see the direct quote and not a Mando paraphrase, I'm not going to be convinced one way or the other.


Jimmy Johnson made a career of doing it. Bill Walsh and the dynastic Niners of that era as well.

Posted by: common sense | May 02, 2014 at 02:55 PM

In a very deep 86 draft Bill Walsh tradedout of Rd-1 all together and got.....

2nd Rd Larry Roberts DE
3rd Rd Tom Rathman FB
3rd Rd Tim McKyer DB
3rd Rd John Taylor WR
4th Rd Charles Haley
4th Rd Steve Wallace OT
4th Rd Kevin Fagan DE
5th Rd Pat Miller LB
6th Rd Don Griffin DB

This was the last draft that was considered as historically deep but Walsh famously said he liked it better in the Middle Rds than at the Top so he traded down several times.With the exception of 5th Rd LB Miller everyone of those players not only started but went to Multiple Pro Bowls. Some stung like Fagan who was at UM and dropped because of injury. Another McKyer wound up traded to Miami for a 2nd Rd pick and all were the nucleus of a 2X SB Champ 89/90

I understand your lucky to pull that rabbit out of your A S S once!! 8 Pro Bowl players in 1 draft, JESUS!! The mentality though employed by Walsh was to add the ammo later given he saw the 2nd to 4th loaded with comparable talent doesn't happen every Yr. nor every 10 but this one is regarded on that level.

That Yr. by the way the draft was so deep even Shula the G.M. couldn't blow his Top picks! We traded our #1 that Yr. in the Hugh Green deal with Tampa and took Offerdahl Rd-2 follwed by serviceable DE TJ Turner and ST's ACE Reyna Thompson (who did his Pro Bowl work for the Giants but we drafted him)

Trading down is picking quantity over quality. Its for losers.

MIT, I would make a bet with you on whether or not Hickey moves up in the draft, but I don't take Canadien money. It does not work in the vending machines here.

fin, good post.

I think people get entirely too caught up in the "names" in the first round and tend to forget that after the first handful of picks you really don't have "can't miss" guys regardless of how much someone may convince themselves otherwise.

A smart GM, be it Hickey or anyone else, goes into a draft with a plan--no question--but only a fool would STICK to a concrete plan if the draft does not fall the way you would ideally like. If trading down gives you the most sensible options and value, then you do it.

Our QB gets killed because he's not aware enough to scramble, and not quick enough to get rid of the ball

I retract that YOUR QB. To me he'll be gone in another year as the latest failure to stand under center for the Dolphins

Yeah, Tannehill's inability to extend the plays is as dissapointing as his lack of accuracy. How the heck did he go in the 1st rd??

Right, Marc. Listen, its well documented on here what a non-fan you are of Tannehill. No bias in your comments about him.

Interesting though that neither the media nor the coaching staff or GM agree with you, hence the shipping out of Martin, Cogs, Jerry, and Clabo, the first day signing of Albert to a $54 million contract, the signing of Shelley and the soon to be drafting of a guard and/or RT.

Give you a clue....they don't think the QB is the problem.


We need a LG that can pull and make blocks on quicker defenders in space. Aren't you tired of having screens blown up in the backfield because we don't have a guar that can pull and finish blocks in space?

Posted by: The Woodshed Gang | May 02, 2014 at 03:01 PM

I've been blasted on here in the last Yrs. before Bully-Gate given I always told all of you that I HATED the slower than a TURTLE pulling ability of Cogs and it was for this reason, I never forgot either that it was him and only him that got Penny KILLED in his comeback Vs. Tenn then later in the same game whiffed on a stunt and got Henne clipped causing both to get hurt leading to the infamous Thurs. night debacle in 2010 at home Vs. the Bears were Cogs actually close at Center and in the game sailed a bunch over Tyler Pigpen's head. I always said tough as nails but those here for a few Yrs. now Cogs lack of mobility was a pet peeve of mine long before he became the whipping boy!

Yes, that Bill Walsh draft of '86 made the Top Ten Drafts program on NFL network. Even Bellichick has stated in some past drafts where they traded back, that in those particular drafts there was little difference between who was left in the first rd. after the best ones were taken, and the 2nd round.
BTW, even the great talent evaluator Walsh made mistakes at times, stating that Rick Mirer was going to be the next Joe Montana. Definitely not a perfect science.

they don't think the QB is the problem.

Posted by: Craig M | May 02, 2014 at 03:51 PM

This might be true. It took the Dolphins 4 years to realize that Henne stunk and it may take em 4 years to realize Tanny stinks.

Posted by: fin4life | May 02, 2014 at 03:51 PM

Only Sparano could think that Cogs could be a capable LG. Everyone else played him at RG because of his lack of lateral movement.

I thought Dallas Thomas was brought in to be a LG in a plan to supplant Cogs, moving him to RG. I was very disappointed in that pick when it didn't happen.


Turner doesn't have the same lateral movement skills that Sau-Filo does and is more of a mauler. AKA, a younger Incognito that is slightly quicker. He would be a RG on our team.

Posted by: The Woodshed Gang | May 02, 2014 at 03:01 PM

Turner is quick as hell and actually posted the best 40X by any Guard in under 5 at a 4.9/40. The problem lies in his Tech. in pass protection he got schooled some in the SEC. Conversely the same career knock on S.Smith both run graders who are suspect in pass protection susceptible to getting tossed n there cans when back peddling. It can be corrected with time or so they say. I on the other hand prefer the sure polished NFL ready player.

Thanks for your always insightful comments Tony Natahan.

In a very deep 86 draft Bill Walsh tradedout of Rd-1 all together and got.....
2nd Rd Larry Roberts DE
3rd Rd Tom Rathman FB
3rd Rd Tim McKyer DB
3rd Rd John Taylor WR
4th Rd Charles Haley
4th Rd Steve Wallace OT
4th Rd Kevin Fagan DE
5th Rd Pat Miller LB
6th Rd Don Griffin DB
This was the last draft that was considered as historically deep but Walsh famously said he liked it better in the Middle Rds than at the Top so he traded down several times.With the exception of 5th Rd LB Miller everyone of those players not only started but went to Multiple Pro Bowls. Some stung like Fagan who was at UM and dropped because of injury. Another McKyer wound up traded to Miami for a 2nd Rd pick and all were the nucleus of a 2X SB Champ 89/90

Posted by: fin4life | May 02, 2014 at 03:39 PM

So what you're saying so I understand you correctly is I'm not crazy? I'm on more of a genius level of Bill Walsh with my Double Trade Back Scenario?

Posted by: fin4life | May 02, 2014 at 03:58 PM

Further proof some of these guys here talk out of their ass without doing zero research. Too many here parrot what others whom have done zero research.

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