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Good news for J.J. -- No structural damage to shoulder

   OAKLAND -- Good news for Josh Johnson, who saw Dr. James Andrews in Alabama today. Tests showed no structural damage to Johnson's injured right shoulder, according to the pitcher's agent, Matt Sosnick.

   However, Johnson's return to the mound for the Marlins would appear to be delayed beyond the mid-July target date as Sosnick said the pitcher will be put on no-throw status for 10 days before resuming his program.

   Johnson is on the 60-day disabled list with right shoulder inflammation and had begun pitching off a bullpen mound in preparation for his return. But after completing a throwing session on Friday, he complained of discomfort in the shoulder and traveled to see Andrews.

    Most likely, it'll be August before Johnson returns to the mound for the Marlins.

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Samsons Boyfriend

Believe It When It You See It...

Lou Vales

Even then don't believe it because he might still have stuff going on his shoulder that nobody knows about.Talk to me when he pitches a complete season OR at least 4 months at peak effectiveness.

laurelbowie

Lou,
Even though you set the rules for the July predictions contest, I for one will allow you to change your prediction, seeing as how you messed up. See the comments under the previous blog about U2 (whoever the hell they are).

bob

Yep, the Marlins' season is definitely over now.

Samsons Boyfriend

Marlins minor league High Class A Jupiter Hammerheads havd lost 9 in a row,going for 10 right now...Like father,like son...

Stan M

Not all news is bad. Clemens suit against his trainer isn't going to happen. Hope his trial is on TV. I'd rather see Clemens go down the tubes than a Marlin "laugher" victory.
Lou, I think you are unfair in the depth of your vituperation against Tommy. What do you expect of him? He has to try to make the games interesting and he often expresses his disatisfaction on how a play or at bat was handled. The TV team do a good job...listen to other announcers, even network announcers, and few do a better job and most are different degrees of awful. There is only one Vin Scully and I'll admit that the NY Met announcers are terrific. Just who would you want to replace him? And for a minute, do you think he would be other than a Loria flunky? And we all know that he would be gone if he really spoke his mind. The team is performing terribly. That isn't Tommy's fault. Knock the FO all you want, I'm with you all the way there.

Lou Vales

Dearest Stanley, I agree with you totally about the Mets announcers being the best. Having said that what do you think Keith and Ron would have had to say IF they were the Marlins announcers during this disaster? Do you believe they would have tucked their tails between their legs ala Tommy OR do you think they would have maintained their standards and detailed this abortion as it should have been explained. Ron and Keith would not have hid behind the color of tiles on the mezzanine level or worried about naming rights. They would have eviserated this team in the manner it deserved and have gone out with their honor intact.

Do you REALLY disagree with that?

By the way, I believe I have already knocked the front office and even predicted how this minor league system would eventually get this team in trouble. Did I see this putrid decline? No.Nobody really could predict the complete on the job quitting of basically an entire 25 man roster. Around 4 guys have maintained a level of pride.the others belong on a can of Alpo.

Roger S

Comparing how the on air talent would react from a market like NY to how the Marlins do makes no sense. It's like asking why the media in South Florida doesn't go after the dealings of the front office more than they do. The standard for the Marlins and this market is not comparable to the larger ones. There is more of an expectation for announcers in NY, Philly, Chicago and the like to tell it like it is because there is not only a larger audience, but a more demanding one as well. South Florida audiences may indeed care how the Marlins do, but they won't be outraged because one of the announcers doesn't blow a gasket over the team's performance. This is not NY or Philly, Lou. Stop with the expectations. Your constant vendettas against people in this organization, sans the front office, is so foolish and annoying. Curmudgeon as hell is more like it.

Roger S

And for the record, I enjoy both Rich and Tommy. Rich actually did a game on MLB network last week with John Smoltz. They don't let stiffs do their games. He's good. Tommy is eccentric a bit, but I like him as well. Too bad some people love to poke and prod every frighan thing constantly.

Stan M

Lou, I was constructing an answer while reading your retort; then saw what Roger S posted. It was exactly what I was thinking so why be redundant. You say that you have disparaged the front office. Lou, you have only reemphasized this criticism about the FO about 500 times. We need more. Seriously, of course you and everyone else has jumped all over the front office. And rightly so. But the TV guys??? This is a small market and there simply can't be as much flagrant criticism as in the big media areas and I'm surprised that you couldn't see that. You are usually more precient as you like to tell us, but sometimes when you open your mouth, you close your mind, at least as it pertains to simple reason. You are better than that, Lou. Can't someone disagree with your position without being attacked personally? Think about that , Lou, and look back to how defensive you become over and over again. Why is that, Lou?

Lou Vales

Stan, Where did I attack you?I questioned what you said. I even went to a Michele Bachman rally in Greenville.I Was going to try to trip her up by asking her the first 3 words of the Constitution? My second question was going to be why a person can't be accurately portrayed as a fascist and socialist at the same time?

She,of course, did not take questions from the media or throng of around 400.

Lou Vales

Stan, I'm sorry.I did not answer your question.Got distracted like some of the candidates. I expect people WHEREVER they are to say what they are really thinking or to keep their mouths shut. If those standards are too high for Jeffrey Loria and he would fire Tommy Hutton for saying what he thinks, I believe Tommy should walk. I bet that you would walk. Samson's Boyfriend would walk. Matt would walk and I would walk. I think Glags would walk and I think my race track buddy would walk. Life is too short to be a shill.

Stan M

Lou, didn't you get kicked off that other blog for going political? I did! As much as I admire Peter Gammons, his frequent insertion of some small minded liberal slant drives me up a wall. Let's not any of us go there. And I couldn't disagree with you more about losing one's job by speaking one's mind. It ain't done in real life, Lou. That is unless one prefers masochism to providing for one's family. Lou, that's one of those nutty ideas that is downright silly.

Lou Vales

Stanley,Since when has it become either a liberal,moderate or conservative maxim to possess not one iota of historical knowledge? And I'm really stretching it by writing an ability to differentiate between the Bill of Rights and the Constitution qualifies as intelligence.

Now if you really wish to continue to insult my butt about my personal ideas or thoughts when I have NEVER once got personal with ANY of your stuff feel free with the knowledge that I will continue to NEVER say anything PERSONAL about you with the proviso provided later.

Now understand that I really don't believe you believe Tommy Hutton's ability to provide for his family is dictated by his ability to be the Marlins Color Man.That would be an extreme insult for a guy who played in the Majors for a relatively LONGGGGGGGGGGG time with a commensurate pension. I'm not discussing some Walmart single mother of 2 who prays to God that her 2 year old never gets a 104 degree fever so that she doesn't have to take her to an emergency room to wait 5 hours to be seen.Your concern for Tommy's financial status is blanking exemplary. Send him an e-mail.

This is the last time I hopefully address you.You can come after me one more time to get the last word.Be as personal as you wish, really zap me,however, after that all bets are off as to my personal responses on this blog.

Your stories are entertaining and your protection of this woeful franchise actually demonstrates a degree of chivalry. I always wondered why you excluded John Buck from your personal coccoon of protection when it came to insults.You can't stand John Buck. You made that manifest.I never said a single word about your DISGUST for the Buck acquisition even though I placed it quite low on the Problems That Need To Be Remedied Board.That was because it was YOUR opinion and I tend to only bash people who are over compensated for performing badly and/or those who have the ability and means to improve an entity but refuse while continuing to foist it off on the public.Feel free to BASH Buck at any time you want.that is your right and I would only criticize you for exercising that right with the expectation I could expect the same in return.

Once again this is my fault.I correspond personally---over the PHONE---with my 3 buddies on this blog and my being aggravated with your crap does show a weakness in my ability to ignore the mundane. For that I do apologize.

Lou Vales

I really mist clarify so that NOBODY believes I'm a Liberal "Whack Job", I could easily vote for Jon Huntsman, could less easily vote for Romney, am anti-abortion,fiscally conservative(but have the brains to realize we can't go into default on our obligations), believe borders need to be tightened, want our troops out of these God forsaken countries--that means I SUPPORT THEM--if you want kids in Afghanistan,volunteer your own kids first. I'm actually an Eisenhower republican but he would be branded as a liberal now by the nut cases because taxes were too high--as they were under Reagan.What I really believe is you should be SMART--DEMONSTRABLY--to be President.You better not be afraid to field questions from the press, you should have read a book in the last 5 years, you should have done really well in college, you should not make this country look bad the first time you travel outside the US as President and it would probably be a good idea to understand that Founding fatheres did not fight to end slavery and that John Quincy Adams, at age 9, did not play a large part in the American Revolution.If you can meet those criteria I don't care what your political affiliation is and just know IF you want to fight ALL government quit taking those government checks, stay off those government built roads, start taking NON-FDA approved drugs, start eating food that has not been deemed safe and start drinking water that is not checked and live near nuclear facilities that are not regulated. Don't be a hypocrite.

Roger S

This blog is turning into the Post blog. Posts that have absolutely nothing to do with teh Marlins. A long winded diatribe about the perception of that person's political affiliation. Enough already!

Glad to hear that JJ has not structural damage. I'm not sold on him coming back this season, but if he's healthy enough then it's something to look forward to at this point. Stanton displaying a nice glove tonight, but another golden sombrero at the plate. Absolutely no discipline.

Lou Vales

Oh Yeah!! That change in batting coaches really helped.I swear that at times it appears Stanton can't see the ball.I really don't understand how he can miss the ball by that margin.It's not even close. the inevitability of SloMo's AB was really stunning.Why would you ever throw either of these guys a strike until they first prove they won't chase.

It's fun to rarely watch now. I turned it on in the top of the 8th with the bags full and 1 out.You know what happened. looks like they have a real good chance to get to 4 wins. Someone MUST do a program to see the biggest number of games that a 2nd place team has fallen behind in one month.This is really incredible. Matt actually predicted this to me in May,now not this bad but he NEVER took them seriously. Smart Guy!!!

Stan M

Lou, I am not insulting you; rather some of your rational. I have not been alone in this. Somehow, you just can't seem to understand that this blog is about the Marlins. You constantly interject yourself. Just look at your post above. You became upset when I respectfully suggested that we would have a more interesting discussion if you cut back on the first person singular. Frankly I don't give a damn whether you are a liberal or anything else. I do object when you refer to Barbara Bachmann in a derogatory or any other way. This is a Marlin blog, not a political blog. Just in passing, I believe the woman has a PhD. Stupid people do not qualify for PhDs. I will grant your precept that Tommy could probably retire. However, you are ignoring that you also placed several fellow bloggers as persons who would also walk away from their positions in order to express their true feelings.
You often write interesting posts and you are undoubtedly popular with a majority of our fellow posters. I don't dislike you in any way. However, as I said before, some of your stuff is juvenile and beneath you. These rants don't add to the overall level of this blogs basic purpose. I fact, I think they drive some people away. I also won't dwell on this again.

Ball game!!! Ricky pitches a shutout! Vazquez, Volstad and Sanchez have all pitched well lately. JJ's shoulder is supposedly free from damage. Maybe we can all...hopefully...start to see a brighter future.

Glags

Good win tonight. Not sure if the current resurgence of quality pitching has to do with mechanical adjustments or that they are playing the AL west but I hope it's a trend. Oh by the way, I had said that the Marlins can't trade anyone I can honestly say that if JJ comes back and Vazquez is much improved I say you ship him off to a contender but they would have to package Helms in the deal somehow.

By the way, is Peterson still hitting in NOLA? If so does anyone think he can spark some offense if Morrison follows in Coghlan's foot steps.

laurelbowie

Tommy Hutton played part of 12 seasons in the Big Leagues. The most he made in any one year was $125,000 with the Expos in his final season, 1981. He made $49,000 with the Phillies in '76 and $68,750 with the Phillies in '77. I didn't bother to check his salary for other years, because I don't really give a hoot. I only mention these figures to show that Tommy may actually NEED his broadcasting job. And I for one think he and Rich do a
decent job. I watch the games to relax and enjoy myself, and I don't want to listen to a couple of know-it-all TV announcers ranting and raving and sniping all night long the way some fans apparently would prefer. Their job is to broadcast the game and, yes, point out when players screw up. I think they do that. I don't need them constantly telling me that the Marlins ownership is cheap and their FO doesn't have a clue. And I don't need them constantly reminding me that this team is really, really bad. I think I can figure that out all by myself.

Glags

LB I didn't want to comment on the subject since things were getting carried away but I think you hit the nail on the head.

Samsons Boyfriend

Glags...Im wondering the same question with Bryan Peterson myself...342 thru 65 games..11HRs..On 40 man roster #16,has uniform hanging in clubhouse...Problem is ,Petey needs to play everyday..Nawlins has only 3 outfielders on roster now with Marlin retread Chris Aguila{remember him?} in left, Petey in Cf..Hope Cogs stay in AAA and they give Petey a shot..Saw him P/H a few times earlier in season.and he's surprisingly fast..He's 25yrs. old, 4th rd. pick in 07', If he gets a full time shot ,he could be a player..No LH PH off the Bench though...Marlins made mistake with Cousins in that role,which should always be a Veteran...

Samsons Boyfriend

Jupiter loses 10th in a row...speaking of Jupiter.. Whats up with Baker..is he in the Marlins Witness Protection Program?

Samsons Boyfriend

Cogs put on DL 6/17..decision looming soon.. 30 day DL or AAA..

Glags

I don't think they could justify reactivating Cogs without sending him down at least to rehab for a game or two. I'm glad to hear that Peterson is playing CF which maybe means something. Although I asked previously and was told he's better suited for LF.

Glags

And to answer your question I don't remember Aguila so I looked him up. The guy is 32 and has played 15 years in the minors. That's crazy. Talk about holding on to a dream.

Samsons Boyfriend

Cogs is supposed to resume what they call Baseball Activities this weekend..Hope Marlins keep him in AAA as long as it takes for him to prove he can hit,even if it takes the rest of year..tired of watching these hackers..With this season lost,no matter what anyone says, now is the time to give guys like Peterson a full-time shot..

Flav C

I'm glad to see that Ricky didnt try to be a hero last night as he usually does and get himself in trouble. His usual M.O. is to try to strike hitters out no matter what. Last night he pitched for contact and succeed, thankfully to a good defensive game by the team. Stanton made two great grabs on right field, robbing the A's from extra bases. Wise played quite well too. Since coming back from his eye-infection stint, Stanton has been hitting .222 with a strike out ratio of 1 per 2.2 at bats. This is really bad considering that in May and early June his ratio was 1 SO for every 3.8 at-bats. Interestingly enough his return from the eye-infection situation coincides pretty much with the arrival of the new hitting coach. But maybe that's just coincidence. On Tommy and Rich - I have my TV on mute. I'm not too fond of TV announcers on sports events. I was raised in another country (Brazil) listening to sports on the radio (the local TV channels didnt air any sport events). I think it gives more color to the game. So i still do it. Watch the game on mute, and listen to the radio announcers. Yes, i know, it doesnt sound right, but that's me in a nutshell.

Samsons Boyfriend

So Jack holds meeting about situational hitting before game...Good, hope the new hitting coach was there also,taking notes..Today is exactly 3weeks , 21 games since Perez took over and this team ,except hanley has hit worse than before he showed up outta ESPN...He'll probably take the credit for Hanley picking it up, the rest of the team has hit like CRAP...What a EFFIN Joke..E Perez...

Roger S

Agree Samson, I recall EP saying something like the hitting talent on this club is scary and that they can be the best offensive team in the bigs. Really? Some of that may be true if they had a decent hitting coach to guide them, I don't know. Surely EP is not that. Was Mallee really the problem? I still can't wrap my head around his firing, especially when he had a close following with most of the players. I bet if Jack had his way EP would be a goner.

Flav, that's interesting about muting TV and listening to radio. I've done it myself on occasion, but the problem I've run into is that the radio feed is always ahead of the video sometimes by a good 5 seconds or more. Do you run into that problem?

Samsons Boyfriend

The firing of John Mallee was Lorias over-reaction, and will prove to be another bad move added to the endless list of Rank Amateur Moves that the FO has made over the past 6 years....Period..

laurelbowie

Roger S,
I've also tried listening to the radio and watching TV and have had exactly the same problem you describe. Often, I've heard, there is some kind of delay on live broadcasts to allow them to censor out any foul language etc.
But the weird thing is, I sometimes have the game on a TV in the family room (HD) and in my bedroom (SD) — and they aren't in sync either. One is 3 or 4 seconds behind the other. If somebody knows why, I'd love to find out.

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