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With JJ, Hanley out Edwin Rodriguez said the Marlins have to play .500 ball to survive

When Marlins manager Edwin Rodriguez talked about the Marlins being "the last team standing" back in spring training, he never envisioned it happening with his top hitter and pitcher out with injuries. 

But that's the scenario Rodriguez and the Marlins have found themselves in over the past week -- and could potentially for several more -- as All-Star shortstop Hanley Ramirez battles inflammation in his lower back and ace Josh Johnson continues to try to build enough strength in his throwing shoulder to warrant a return from the disabled list.

"Remember when I was mentioning about our room for error being very small in spring training? We're seeing that," said Rodriguez, whose team has gone 1-5 since Ramirez was pulled in the second inning of an 8-0 loss to the Dodgers on May 29.

"With JJ being down and Hanley out we're scrambling and trying to put pieces together. I think the guys have been doing a good job. If we keep playing .500 ball until those guys get back, we're going to be fine. We're going to be in good shape when they come back."

Ramirez is expected to finally go on the disabled list after Sunday's game. How long he'll be out remains a mystery. But as far as Rodriguez is concerned, he thinks the Marlins should take the same approach they've taken with Johnson and keep Ramirez out until he's able to return at 100 percent.

"Even when Hanley isn't hitting, his presence in the lineup makes a difference -- because he can get on base, steal bases, make things happen," Rodriguez said. "And then with JJ out of the rotation, it's a huge difference.

"We don't want [Ramirez] to go on the DL. But if he has to do it, he has to do it. I don't want him on the field if he's not 100 percent. Same with JJ. We already battled and we fought, we put ourselves in a position where we can go .500 in the month and still be in good shape without those guys. We worked for that."

Johnson, who has been on the disabled list since May 17 with right shoulder inflammation, was originally hoping to return to the rotation this Tuesday. But Rodriguez said Johnson still hasn't regained enough strength in his shoulder to even get on the mound for a bullpen session.

The Marlins want Johnson to throw a couple bullpen sessions and then get a rehab start in before returning to the rotation. Johnson said Saturday all he's been able to do thus far is throw long toss at about 150 feet.

Rodriguez said whoever the Marlins call up from the minors after Sunday's game to start Tuesday against the Braves can plan on being around for awhile.

"We're going to be looking for an option in the minor leagues and planning on that option to be here for awhile," Rodriguez said. "We have a double header next week. Even if JJ's back, we're still going to need another pitcher. And if JJ's not back by then, we're going to need two more pitchers. We're planning for that too."

Rodriguez said there are four options down in the minors: veteran right-hander Chris Sampson (2-0, 3.50 ERA in Triple A New Orleans), left-hander Brad Hand (7-1, 3.53 ERA in Double A Jacksonville), right-hander Elih Villanueva (4-5, 5.70 ERA in Triple A New Orleans) and right-hander Tom Koehler (5-1, 4.24 ERA in Triple A New Orleans).

"Sampson has been doing good. Brad Hand has been doing good. Villanueva has been struggling. Koehler's last outing was a little bit shaky," Rodriguez said. "Whoever comes up I would like them to sit in the dugout and be here for [Monday's game]. I don't want them to just fly up on the plane and pitch."

HENSLEY HAS AC JOINT SPRAIN: Injured setup man Clay Hensley said he's expecting to miss at least three weeks with an AC joint sprain, an injury he's never had before.

Hensley, who went on the disabled list retroactive to June 2, said he's looking forward to the time off so he can also rest his sore left shoulder blade and ribs, which he injured slipping down the stairs at the team hotel in Cincinnati at the end of April.

"I guess Anibal [Sanchez] went through the same thing a couple years ago and his was actually worse than mine. He came back from it just as good, so I don't think there's going to be any surgery needed," Hensley said.

"I don't know if I was compensating for stuff with my left shoulder. I know I changed my mechanics a little bit just to get through the games and stuff. That's one thing I think played a factor into this because I never had anything like this before. I guess a good thing now is I'll be able to let everything heal on the left side as far as my shoulder blade and start from ground zero and come back and kick ass the rest of the year. That's the game plan."

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Samson's Boyfriend

Injuries are part of the game,and every team has to deal with them during 162 game season.. It's a conveient excuse for any manger to use..In games, decisions after the 6th inning are where managers earn their pay..Managers cant control injuries,errors and clutch hitting...Players win games...Good managers don't win games, their decisions don't BLOW games...

Glags

You're right. It's about execution. Looks like June is not going to be their month.

Samson's Boyfriend

Rather have a June Swoon unlike last year,when they had a rough Aug and injury filled Sept..time to get healthy, regroup,look at other player options and tread water until Marlins can get to full strength if that's possible...running on all 8 cylinders..then be in position to be buyers the last week of July..

Lou Vales

Mea Culpa.I deserve that. I turned the game on at 4:00 thinking it was probably over and I got that Sanchez AB.

Beinfart

CHOKE..CHOKE..CHOKE..CHOKE..LOMO HAS HEAD UP AAAZZZ..Shoulda tried a squeeze in bottom of 9th with Gaby one out, then Stanton with 3rd basemen playing almost on outfieid grass..Edwin if your gonna use the bunt and give up an out make Damn sure your players Know how to lay one down..To many young guys on team ,no veteran player in line-up to lead by example when you need a clutch hit... Marlins CHOKED the same way 3 games in a row...

Lou Vales

Matt told me there was a time last year when he just quit watching.The first time I tried I made it through 2 games and 3 hours and that was not enough.Now I must try harder. The meltdown has started. the inevitability of the way they lose is mesmerizing.

Bases loaded and 1 out, the guy you want up there is in the box, 5 infielders are drawn in all your contact hitter has to do is find a hole somewhere in a vacant outfield.he grounds softly to 3rd. Of course the deep enough fly ball comes with the next batter.

Now the craziest thing is this Logan Morrison Situation--and it is a Situation.It is a Situation because of the sameness of it.I mentioned a week ago that even when Morrison is HOT he CAN'T--I'll repeat that, CAN'T hit2-0 and 3-1. I know that sounds crazy but there are sites you can pull up what I have charted. It will be a lot more believable if you read it on a site instead of getting it from me. I'm actually imploring Edwin to give him the "take Sign" on that 3-1 but how can you give your 3rd place hitter the take sign even though your charts in the dugout shows you he can't hit in that count and he has not seen a runner in scoring position this year that he likes.

The Hanley Saga of course continues as many of us predicted. They would rather play a man short than DL tis guy. Edwin is right--"What's he to do?" This is it. There ain't nothing else. the Marlins have taken great pride in Sanchez, Coghlin, Stanton and Morrison having emerged from their system. At the same time they have hinted that no club could promote that many and not feel the consequences. I agree with that but IF those 4 stop functioning and you realize there is nothing behind them, you are of course screwed.Can't change your lineup because alternatives would not even be on most good teams' roster. I refer to Martinez, Cousins and Helms. Hayes is obviously fine.

Now we face the "Call-Up"--who in the Hell it will be is anyone's choice.i tend to believe they throw the dice and hope they catch lightning in the bottle with Hand. He is the only one of the choices with REAL upside so might as well run him up here.

If it is Hand, I will watch the game. If not, I must really stick to that self-enforced vacation I promised myself.This is way too painful.

This is sickening.

By the way, It's Hand!!!.I believe the "brain trust" has probably decided already that it is a year early and they might as well start exposing Hand to the Bigs.

The Braves batting order is really tough except for the second baseman.

Samson's Boyfriend

Lou..believe you're right about Hand...his scheduled turn, being a Lefty,might as well play that Hand in this poker game..

Samson's Boyfriend

Saw Helm's wife at game..Uncle Wes might look slow on the field, but must be in top playing condition off the field to play with her on a full-time basis..my compliments Uncle Wes..

Lou Vales

Samson, I can't believe I turned it on. Yesterday I was so disciplined. Dinner, play and coffee with my wife. Only 1 minute of disgust as I checked box score on Yahoo.This time I get about an hour of predictable BS--That could also stand for Blown Save.

Helms'slowness may be paying off.

Samson's Boyfriend

Lou ..saw alot of Marlin family members this weekend...Got Comp tickets to Sat nite game in restricted area for family members of team... Ahhh,the life of a Ballplayer...Based on what I saw,it's very easy to leave the game and it's frustrations at the Ballpark...Caught the Beatle concert MC'd by Ed Sullivan after game....Pretty Good Stuff..more to come later...

Stan M

If you want to talk about take signs, Hayes was up as the last out 2 days ago. The pitcher had just walked the bases full and his first pitch to Hayes was ball one. A walk ties the game. Hayes swung at the next pitch which was high and obviously ball two . He subsequently struck out. Where was the take sign on that 2nd pitch? It sickened me.

Maybe Hayes sterling performance in today's game will get him more starts. Contrastingly, Sanchez stunk today when he was behind the plate. Coincidence?

Flav C

Amazing how one bad series can turn things around. Before the 1st game against the Brewers, the Fish was alone in 2nd place in the NL East only 2 games behind the Phillies. We had the 3rd best performance in the Major League (behind Phillies and Cleveland) and the 2nd best in the NL. Also,the Fish was in the lead for the wild card. After 3 losses, we are still in 2nd in the NL East, now tied with the Braves and 3 games behind the Phillies. We now have the 12nd best record in the League and fell to 4th place in the Wild Card race. To make matters worse, the 1st and 2nd in the wild card race are the D'Backs and the Brewers, winners of the last 2 series against us.

Lou Vales

In the words of Vince Lombardi-"What the Hell is going on out there?" Koehler just got rocked for 6 runs in the 1st against Nashville--whose lineup is not as good as the Braves---West was rocked in his last start, Villanueva is another one of those "Must hit his spot guys" which translated means fastball sitting where he will be rocked in the Bigs and then you have Hand who may be the only guy with a shot besides Sanabia. Who in the Hell is responsible for this flotsam and jetsam?

Hey 3 Stooges---Jeffrey, David and Larry---how about some pitchers with projectible stuff in tomorrow's draft? Jeffrey, I know you wish you could sign 1st Rounder for a 100 dollars but just remember that nice new stadium and what it has done for value of your franchise and maybe not draft a guy whose sole value is signability.

Abdul frfrom Guantanomo Bay

Rather be Water-Boarded than watch the Marlins try to win a game...

Amarillo Slim

Bet your next Hand on Tuesday starter being Mr Hand...

Matt

I have to admit that I really don't watch the games in full anymore. I'll catch maybe one or two a week in full depending on how the game is going. I closley examine the box scores and take a look at individual player at bats for each game, but other than that I have limited my intake. It's too frustrating and unhealthy to do otherwise. Some matchups with elite clubs like Philly, SF, etc obviously deserve my full attention, but for the most part I stopped my obsessive ways last year.

I said to Lou the other day that I thought this club was playing way over its head. There was bound to be a reality check sooner or later. Injuries will kill you and obviously they're part of the game so you have to suck it up and keep battling. I don't fault the players at all, it's always the front office that I'm concerned with. Playing short handed is a rediculous strategy and one that has cost a few games here and there. With very little help down on the farm this thing could get ugly quick. Looking for help outside the organization may not be a bad idea, but we've all seen how reactive our FO is.

So long as the arms stay relatively healthy and the LoMo's, Stantons, Coghlan's and the like continue to improve then I'll be satisfied. This club is really built toward 2012 so seriously competing for the postseason this year would be an added bonus. I think we've all been a little spoiled by the start, so coming back down to earth may be good for the psyche.

Samson's Boyfriend

Mike Hill is in charge of Marlins draft tommorrow...hope he has better luck than 'His Larryness', who has herman munster Volstad to show for his #1 draft choices since Loria was given Marlins by Pud Selig

Matt

Don't forget that light hitting catcher, Skipsworth, who looks fantastic in BP. We should call up Jeff Allison and feed him to the wolves. He was a can't miss #1 taken by Beinfest as well. Bring him up.

Samson's Boyfriend

Try these names on for size...Hermida02'..Allison03'..Tankersly04'... Class of 05'.all pitchers,Volstad,Thompson,Marceaux,Tucker,West,...Sinkbeil06'Coughlan06'Dominguez07'.Skipworth08'..C James09..Yelich10'...How many #1 busts did Beinfest the Blowfish reel in during his brillian, over-rated career here, so far?

Beinfart

Where's Dave Dombrowski when you need him ???

Lou Vales

Dombo traded Jair Jurgens for Renteria and al so signed Bonderman, Robertson, willis and Ordonez to contracts that cost Mike Ilitch somewhere in vicinity of 150,000,000.Dombo has morphed into an idiot.

Lou Vales

Samson, Thank You!! for the great list. I forgot how bad it was.Maybe that is why New Orleans and Jacksonville have so many 30 year old guys on the roster.

Must tell you guys something funny. just talked to a kid at the club I work out at and told me he was going to visit Dallas.i told him to visit Dealay Plaza.He said "Why"and I said that was the area where Kennedy was shot and he said--"Oh Yeah. The Library Conservatory."

You can't make stuff like that up. But we don't like people who read anymore anyway.Hell, we used to value the "Elite" because they had special skills or had attended great schools--but now we want people we can have a beer with. If you can't differentiate between the Constitution and thedeclaration of Independence and a Socialist and a Fascist--you are a MORON and I don't want to have a beer with you.

Samson's Boyfriend

Beinfest got his up the ladder baseball exec training in Seattle Mariner organization before Loria hired him,What has Seattle ever won??...Loria also hired Omar Minaya as GM before Omar had his chance to destroy Mets with all his spanish homeys...

Flav C

Classy move from the FO was to hire Randy St.Claire as pitching coach when he had just been fired from the Nationals, which at that point had the worse ERA in the league (5.69). He was constantly criticized by his lack of game planning for the pitchers and failing to teach adequate control.

Matt

'Library Conservatory'...? Oh man, what an idiot. Must have graduated from a lower level state school where the only thing historical that is taught occurred the previous day in the news.

Samson's Boyfriend

Randy Egg Claire is a recycled reject from when Loria owned the Expos...

Flav C

Well, thanks Sam. That explains...

Samson's Boyfriend

Marlins go against Greinke tommorrow..Braves lose to Mets tonite..will come here Tues 1 game down or even with Marlins depending on game tommorrow nite..Fredi used Uggla for double switch tonite after the 6th inning..Imagine sitting the highest payed guy at his position for a pitching change to go into 7th inning of a game your losing...YIKES!!!

Glags

It's simple really. The law of averages has caught up with them. Look at the Indians now. They stink. They still have the best record I think but three months into the season everything is evening out. I'm still not giving up on this team and other than the back end of the rotation I don't see what other pieces they could that would make an impact in the standings. These guys just have perform.

Glags

Damn it! I missed the word Add somewhere in my previous post.

HarryInHollywood

Marlins have lost 4 1-run games in a row..all with the tying run in scoring position with 2 outs...Young players choking when it counts the most...that's what this losing streak is all about..CHOKE..CHOKE..CHOKE..CHOKE..memo to Loria..you get what you pay for..Brewers have payroll of 83.5mill and are in a small market area..Marlins payroll is 57.7mill with 11mill going to Hanley..that says it all about Loria the Shnorrer and PeeWee the Putz...

Glags

Lou are you posting as Beinfart and Harry?

Glags

Well, in fairness to Loria they offered him said contract based on his performance up to that point. I'm not defending Loria but Hanley wouldn't be the first player to under perform after getting a deal. That is all on Hanley not Loria.

Matt

Can't fault the Art Dealer in this instance. When Hanley signed the contract it was at the site of the new stadium and proved to be a turning point of sorts that the Marlins were locking up their starts long-term as opposed to trading them away when their team control was running out. 11 or 12M is not obscene cash to be spending for someone drastically underperforming. The Yanks/Sox would love to pay that wage for their annual overpaid underperformers. One thing is for sure though, if and when he does come back he better perform. No more excuses.

Matt

*stars* not starts. Sorry grammar police.

Samson's Boyfriend

Harry In Hollywood...HaHaHaHa...great post...Shalom Bubbee...Although I'm a Goy, I can agree with you that you can spot a Shnorrer a mile away...Loria wants the Gelt and won't spend Bupkes for players...PeeWee the Putz can also be described accurately as Shmeckle or a Shmendrick...keep it coming Good Stuff......Hanley to go on DL today,will be back around 15th...Draft day today..Marlins draft 14...Guessing Beinfest and Hill go for pitching but they might surprise and go for position player...

Lou Vales

Glags, I believe the little thinga majigees to the right of the post are the equivalent of DNA. You can match my comments and determine by the "DNA" if I'm writing as someone else.

I was Priscilla and Debbie, and one of the Phillies fans. i wanted to fire you guys up tp hate the Phils> it worked!

Samson's Boyfriend

Hey Lou...thought you needed a break..It's like driving by a bad car accident..Gory Scene but you just gotta look...

Stan M

You mentioned kid and the book depository above. Here are two beauts, one I mentioned before. Actually heard this on on air myself. Bud Herrelson, the Met SS, was being interviewed by Lindsey Nelson on June 6th. He asked Bud how it felt to actually have been born on June 6th in 1944 itself. Bud didn't have the fogiest idea what D Day was or that he might have been born on the most significant day of the century. In my business, I used to ship nationally and the product, being live aquatic plants, could freeze. The weather wasn't too bad so I told her to put heat packs in all accounts above the Mason-Dixon line. She was a graduate a of a 4 year college and quite bright. Had no idea what Mason-Dixon line was. I couldn't believe it, so asked her a couple more historical questions. Can't remember them all but one was that the Civil War was somewhere about 1750. She is very bright, it wasn't she, it was the darn education she received. Horrendous. Did you notice how the media made fun of Sarah Palin about an historical comment involving Paul Revere's ride. Historians backed up her account completely. The point isn't so much that she was right and they wrong, rather that the lazy know it alls didn't bother to check the facts themselves.

Stan M

I could be wrong in this, put it in a lenghty post toward end of yesterday's blog and no one read it. Here is my point. If Loria draws more fans to the park, he generates more income. Therefore, won't he get a corresponding lesser amount of compensation money from ML baseball? So where is the incentive? Anyone have ideas on this topic?

Lou Vales

I just received my Prostate Specific Antigen blood work back and it showed a 0.0 as it should since I no longer have a prostate. The people on the AJC will be sad to hear that my Survivability Rate at 10 years is 99.4.

GET THE TESTS YOU ARE SUPPOSE TO GET AND JUST MAYBE---Save Your Lives.Don't be Redneck stupid!! Please!! I like all of you.

Stan, i really believe Jeffrey would take that trade in a second.he is something of an egomaniac and just realize the credit he would receive from ALL the business publications if he won ANOTHER World Series with this penurious spending.

Hey you guys, Pick the guys you dislike the most--Can't say me---among:

Loria

Samson

Ramirez

Beinfest.

I'm going samson, Loria, Ramirez and Beinfest in that order/

Stan M

Lou, Don't understand your comment about a trade. What is that about? My first 3 dislikes would parallel yours, but I don't dislike Beinfest in the least. Please read my post at end of yesterday's blog and see if you have any comments. Especially about point #1. How about players we dislike. Nunez and Hanley are only 2 I actually don't like. Your opinion of Wes Helms doesn't coincide with mine.

Lou Vales

Stan, I meant he would trade increased attendance for a dimunition of money from MLB.

You keep sharing that opinion of Wes Helms.Maybe you can request he join us for Sunday Brunch at the Grove Park. I will pay and he doesn't even have to bring his wife. Wes could not win the batting title in the South Atlantic League.In fact I doubt if he would crack the Top 10??

Stan M

Lou,
He isn't on the team to be a star. He has never been more than a journeyman. He fills a void. He is the righthanded pinch hitter as well as mentor to the younger players. Granted his pinch hitting isn't as good as last year. What inexpensive right handed veteran would you replace him with. It is also relevent that he likes and wants the job he has. A malcontent with more talent isn't the answer. There are many far more serious things to blast off on. Hanley, Nunez, Buck and I'm not ready to believe that the pitcher whose name escapes my addled mind actually slipped down some stairs.

Lou Vales

We are not going to agree on Helms.I don't think a blanking MLB team needs a damn mentor who CAN'T play.i believe it sends a message of accepting mediocrity.Mediocrity so bad in helms case that it is obvious the manager will do everything in his power not to play him.Young guys see a no talent burnout taking up a roster spot and they think--Well,winning ain't important up here.

hensley

Stan M

OK, Lou,I get your point and agree that Loria would prefer the added attendence. However, that rise in attendence comes with a price. To get that increase, more interest must be garnered. And to attain that added level of interest, better players are needed. And if better players are needed, more money must be spent to aquire them either through over slot bonuses to untried amatures, or the persuit of more costly free agents. In this discussion, I'm not considering the ballparks 1st season when curiosity will increase attendence by itself. My chief worry is that he is the kind of owner who wants the money with the absolute least amount of outlay from his own fortune.

Samson's Boyfriend

Stan the Man..answered your lenghty post #3 yesterday at 12:50pm...Loria wants corporate season ticket holders,wants his fan base at new stadium to be well-heeled artsy-fartsy types,wants the revenue hand outs and could give a sheet about the average Joe Shmoe and his kid...Saw Loria have a Kid thrown out of stadium during game nobody was at, for heckeling him..Loria and Samson are the kind of guys that got their rear ends kicked regularly, when they were kids...Samson in particular,could use a good Beatch-Slapping on regular basis..Samson is by far the most hated, just by what he says, how it comes out, and how he looks..Saw a respectable gentleman type,when he saw Samson appear on the field during BP one day, yell' Hey Samson,Get Off THe Field, theres No Dog Sheet allowed'..Samson ignored the senior citizen because he's used to being Despised...When it comes to Samson ,think of nails on a chalk-board

Matt

Actually, Helms was once a top prospect in the Braves system and he was a full-time player who put up respectable numbers with the Brewers. After his first stop with the Fish, the Phils then signed him to be their starting 3B. He's moved around a bit, but I'm not sure journeyman is the correct term. I view a journeyman as a guy who really hasn't been counted on to be anything but a bench player over the course of his career. Helms doesn't really fit that description. I think he serves a role on this club, if only for his alleged leadership. Pretty sad that the leader of your team is a bench player that's best days are behind him.

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