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Marlins checking on Dobbs and Vazquez, but not Lopez

     The Marlins are gauging interest in resigning two of of their free agents -- Greg Dobbs and Javier Vazquez -- but not the third, infielder Jose Lopez. Barring an unexpected change of heart, Vazquez is almost certain to retire.

      Dobbs, on the other hand, is enticing. His value would be as a lefty bat off the bench and insurance at third base, where he started 84 times last season. He also saw action at first base and the corner outfield spots. Dobbs re-established himself at the plate after two unproductive seasons, hitting .275 with 31 extra-base hits.

      In the past, the Marlins would have considered Dobbs a luxury they could not afford, as they did when they allowed Ross Gload to walk following a successful 2009 season with the Marlins. Gload ended up signing a 2-year deal with the Phillies for $2.6 million. But with plans to increase payroll, the Marlins are probably more willing to keep Dobbs.

      The Marlins have exclusive negotiating rights with their three free agents until 12:01 a.m. Thursday.

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      The Marlins are expected to announce their 2012 coaching staff for new manager Ozzie Guillen within the next couple of days, and first base/infield coach Perry Hill will not be on it. Hill spent most of the past season hobbling about on bad knees and was given time by the team to decide whether he felt he could continue in the role. But after giving it careful consideration, Hill has apparently told the club he can't go on. Pitching coach Randy St. Claire, third base coach Joe Espada, hitting coach Eduardo Perez and bullpen coach Reid Cornelius are returning. Guillen is bringing Joey Cora with him from the White Sox to be his bench coach. The Marlins will name a new first base coach to replace Hill.

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laurelbowie

Don't know what Davey Lopes' contract status is with the Dodgers, but wouldn't it be great to bring him in to help guys like Boni, Hanley and Petersen on the base basepaths?

Stan M

Hey, LB, we're back to baseball topics again. Regarding the article, how can they justify keeping St. Claire?

If we must have a big name free agent, I'll take Rayes over the two overpriced first basemen. I've already said they should go for Votto in a trade. I think CJ Wilson might be overrated and Buehrle has an awful lot of innings on his left arm. If they were less expensive, I'd go for both Capuano of the Mets and Oswalt who was hurt most of last year and should really benefit from Marlin's larger outfield. For a reliever, I'd like M. Gonzalez from the Rangers. I would definitely invite Dontrelle and L. Hernandez to camp if possible and Sergio Midre as well. If these three don't pan out, so what? When he was healthy for a couple of months with the Marlins, Midre was fantastic. Grady Sizemore has a tremendous upside and might sign for one year to rebuild his reputation...I'd grab him. I guess my point is that we could get much of the above for the price of one Pujols...and I'll never believe he's only 32. All of the above except Votto are free agents.

'witz

Mitre, who had great stuff before hurting his arm --seemed like every pitch he threw wiggled like a snake-- has had several years to show he can be that good again. He hasn't been able to do it.

laurelbowie

Stan M,
Call me crazy, but I'd rather have Votto than Fielder or Pujols. But the Reds have him tied up through 2013, so Loria might have to gut the Fish (get it?) to land him. Think Cincy is supposed to pay him $9.5 million in 2012 (plus $1.5 of his signing bonus) and 17 mil in 2013, so theoretically, the Marlins could afford him. But as thin as their roster is right now, they CAN'T afford to trade away many key parts to get him. I agree the Marlins should spread the money around rather than spending it all on one so-called superstar. There's no one guy out there who can turn this franchise around all by himself.
It baffles me what Loria sees in St. Claire. He certainly hasn't done anything to improve the Marlins' pitching — or anybody else's as far as I know.

laurelbowie

BTW, John Heyman of SI sez Reds are saying there is "no chance" that Votto will be traded during the offseason. Of course, anybody who's ever bought a used car knows that could be a negotiating ploy.

Stan M

To get Votto, the Marlins have to start with Hanley. How about adding Volstad and 2 minor leaguers. I would never give up Volstad unless Vazquez resigns though. Couldn't team let him fly home a couple of times a week. I simply don't believe that kind of competitor will retire after the past year he had. Regarding Mitre, he features a devastating sinker, so pitch speed isn't paramont. You are correct in saying he's shown little of late, so he just might be content to be a non-roster invitee and the team's risk would be minimal. All this stuff about moving LoMO scares me. You don't trade young players with his talent; ever.

F-You

Ever since St. Claire joined the club, .. the pitching actually got WORSE ! Josh Johnson has never been able to really find his stride like he had before. St. Clare screwed with Johnsons mechanics, possibly the reason why he's gotten injured more often than before, St. Clare's arrival .... St.Claire SUCKS !!!!

laurelbowie

Maybe Coghlan and Hanley for Votto. A year and a half ago, I'd have said the Marlins would be nuts to make that trade. But given recent events, Cogs and Hanley have become the biggest "ifs" on the Marlins roster (along with JJ, of course). Anybody else get the feeling that the FO is as fed-up with Coghlan as it is with LoMo?

Mr. B

So, if Hanley and Cogs are 'ifs' for the Marlins, why would the Reds trade a sure thing, former MVP for them? Jocketty makes a couple of million bucks a year for a reason. Come on use come common sense.

Flav C

I've posted here before some links to articles by orthopedics and sports medicine specialists talking about how risky it was for teams to have players like Wainwright and JJ. One of the articles that was written right before last spring training season was "prophetical" on the type of injuries JJ could have in a near future. It is not unrealistic to say that JJ will never be that dominant pitcher he was, considering his injury-prone status. With that in mind, IMO, the Marlins will need to get not one, but two quality pitchers in this offseason. My take on this: Gio Gonzalez (lefty) or Mat Latos (righty) via trade. Both players are under team control for a few years and both teams are in need of good offense. The Marlins could throw in LoMo, Coghlan and maybe Nolasco (or Volstad), even though i'm quite sure that the A's or the Padres would be asking for a pitching prospect (Chad James?), instead of Nolasco.
The 2nd pitcher would come thru free-agency and i would shoot for Edwin Jackson, who has proven to be as reliable as CJ Wilson or Mark Buherle and would come probably cheaper than both of those two.
Just like you guys, I would hate to see LoMo go, but every team in this league that has been flagged talking about trading with the Marlins wants LoMo. If I were the Marlins, i would just trade for him if there is good value in return. And both Gio or Latos are exactly that: Good and young talented arms, that would remain under team control at least for 3 more years.
As far as position players, call me crazy, but i would shoot for the best (or 2nd best) defensive short stop of the NL: Jimmy Rollins. He would come much cheaper than Reyes. There is no better sure-glove than Jimmy in this league and the infield would be amazing with him and Infante. He still has good pop left in his bat, so i would offer him a 2 year contract, in case he doesnt renew with the Phillies. I would move Hanley to 3rd base, where he would cause less damages defensively than as SS.

Stan M

Mr B
There are some excellent reasons to think the Reds would trade Votto. They have no SS worth a darn. They have an excellent prospect who is a fine hitter but can only play 1B. Hanley is tied up for more years than Votto and is actually cheaper. They also need one more OFer.
Look at it this way. Until this past year, a Hanley-Votto trade would have favored the Reds as Hanley plays the more critical position. In effect, they would be getting him on the "cheap" and could command others as well. To make this trade, the Marlins would probably have to sign Reyes for they foolishly gave up their top SS prospect for the new manager. Personally, I would much prefer Reyes and Votto than either Pujols/Fielder and Hanley in the long run. Better fielding and better chemistry by a long shot. Such a trade would also make Gabby expendable...involving a third team and subbing Gabby for Coghlan would be a plus in my book.

Flav C

Just to finish up my insanity, I would get Grady Sizemore as LF (position he is willing to explore), offering him a 1 or 2 year deal, and Boni would be the everyday CF. This would allow both Bryan Petersen and Christian Yelich to continue their preparation in the minors so by 2013-2014 they would be ready to go. I'm sure that Petersen would have a good amount of playing time throughout 2012, replacing Boni and Sizemore now and then.

laurelbowie

Flav C,
Sizemore is a super outfielder, but he's only averaging 70 games a season over the last three years, so how much could you really rely on him if you got him? Ditto Coco Crisp.

Just Wait & See

After the dust settles, the Marlins will end up with pretty much the same team they had in 2011, plus 1 or 2 B type starting pitchers...they will still be playing for 3rd place...that's Reality..

Stan M

Flav,
Some good thoughts above. The point with Sizemore is that he is seriously undervalued because of all of those injuries you mention. If completely healthy, we couldn't touch him. Yes, it would be a gamble, but one of short duration, and if healthy we have a player who would rank right up there with the best in the league. Personally, I'd risk it. Regarding LoMo, there isn't a pitcher alive whom I would trade LoMO for...no one. LoMo will be a franchise player for well over the next decade and pitchers are just too darn vulnerable to breakdowns. Before the team seeks any pitcher, the Vazquez situation must be resolved. Flav, as you say (and I agree) the team needs two pitchers...but only one if Vazquez returns as he must if the team is to compete. And as stated above, I'd bring several non-roster invitees to camp as insurance. I have little faith in a JJ comeback without an operation. I can see him as a future closer if his arm can't stand all of the consecutive innings. Remember, at his best he was a 6/7 inning pitcher who lost a significant number of wins because he couldn't go further into his starts. I would never trade Nolasco for two reasons. He has winning "stuff" and right now he is undervalued and wouldn't bring much in return. There are not a whole lot of #4 starters better than he. Look at his W-L record over he past few years. It ain't bad at all.

Stan M

Is anyone besides me worried that the club might sign Arams Ramiriz of the Cubs. No plate disclipline, a personal stats guy with a modified Hanley attitude. No, no, no!

Flav C

Stan, i'm not a big fan of Aramis, i agree with your comments. I'm glad we are all talking baseball again!

Stan M

You bet, Flav, me too!

laurelbowie

Guys (and gals), let's have a contest — just for bragging rights. See who can guess the Marlins' FIRST offseason acquisition, either by trade or free agency. I'm talking about an active player not on the 2011 Fish roster, as opposed to re-signing somebody like Javy or Dobbs. We have to act fast, because I think the signing process can begin on Thursday. Everybody gets one guess and to win, you have to be the first to guess correctly. If a trade brings in three players at once, for instance, anybody who guessed one of the three would share the title. I don't have a clue who my guess would be, but maybe by the time I sober up, I'll have somebody in mind.

Flav C

Grady Sizemore

laurelbowie

I'll try Ryan Madson.

laurelbowie

Keep your guesses coming, guys. With all the great baseball minds out there, one of us is going to nail it.

Flav C

i was going to say Edwin Jackson first...but i'll go with Grady.

Stan M

LB, what a wonderful idea. I propose that we also evaluate each signing/trade and give each a grade. I'll also go for Grady Sizemore. He would open up so many other possibilities for LoMo's placement, Gabby's possible move in a trade, Bono's position, etc.

Here are the moves that I would make.
1) bring back Dobbs and Vazquez (rest is based on resigning Vazquez)
2) Sign Sizemore
3) Sign Capuano
4) Sign M. Gonzalez (left handed reliever from Texas)
5) Sign Dontrelle (feel good signing that would help attendence with little risk and potential upside...unfortunately I have a feeling that Dontrelle is an alchoholic)
6) Trade Gabby for middle relief
7) Have Coghlan go back to the infield at 3B and use a tandem of him and Dominguez there.
8) Send Buck to anyone who would take him...even if it's a salary dump.

If no Vazquez, then I agree with Flav that we should get Edwin Jackson over the two higher priced lefties.

My lineup:
Bono CF
Coghlan 3B
LoMo 1B
Hanley SS
Stanton RF
Sizemore LF
Infante 2B
Hayes/Baker C
(Sizemore #2 and Dominguez #8 when applicable)

Of course if Hanley (with others)could go for Votto all of the above would change.

laurelbowie

Stan M,
You're about six moves ahead of me, and probably at least five moves ahead of Beinfest. So much hinges on whether Hanley and Coghlan can regain their prior form. You and Flav C have convinced me that we should give Sizemore a shot, even though I cringe at the thought of adding one more injury-prone guy to our roster of brittle bones and hurtin' hammies.
By the way, you might as well choose someone else for our little contest because Flav C already has Sizemore and the prize (if only there was one) should probably go to the guy who makes the right choice first.

Stan M

I bow to Flav. My choice will then be Dontrelle.
I was trying to imagine a trade with the Mets, one of few teams with a worse catcher than Buck. I was thinking of Dominguez, Buck, (Gabby to a third team involved for Mets are fine at 1B) and Sanabia for Wright. Would Mets take those 3 and whomever came for Gabby for a star like Wright? Never, except for their present money problems and need for rebuilding. Wouldn't Wright be a prize for 3B. In making any changes, we have to consider that Yelich will be on the big club in 2013 either at 1B or LF, so signing Sizemore for one year while he rebuilds his value makes a lot of sense for both parties...and the FO has done such in the past with relievers.

laurelbowie

I think we would all love to have Wright playing third for us next season, but there is a hitch. The Fish would have to give up a ton for him, and he'd be a free agent after 2012, which means he might well end up being a one-year rental. I don't know how much the Marlins would be willing to part with under those circumstances. I think his salary for next season is 16 mil, but I'm sure he'll be offered a lot more as a free agent.

Flav C

As Allanis Morrisette probably would sing: "isnt it ironic"? The bankrupt, broke, LA Dodgers has 3 golden glove winners in 2011 (Kemp, Ethier, Kershaw). Kershaw is going to arbiration for the first time and his salary will probably jump from 500k to approx 8 mil. Reports are that he could cost up to 35 mil to the broke Dodgers during his arbitration years. Kemp's contract is due next season, so he will become a free agent in 2013. Other LA blogs are reporting that Ethier is probably going to be on the trade block. What a bad timing for the LA Dodgers. Maybe the new owner will have the $$ to keep those guys around.

Stan M

There was talk on another site that Beinfest hasn't ruled out Nunez for next year. Perish the thought. Package him along with Buck if he returns. Sometime when you folks have some free time, bring up a site with all 30 teams and try to find one with a worse catcher than Buck. It's not easy. The horrible expectation is that we have two more years of watching him cause unproductive outs, play catch with the CF on SB attempts, and worst of all, observe his uncanny ability to mentor our young staff. How did that work out? I went nuts when they signed him and nothing that I saw this year has changed my opinion. He is a disaster and knowing Beinfest's ability, a complete mystery. Did any of you see the first trade that the team had with the Calif. Angels for Miguel Carbera? I have forgotten who the other players were, (one was a good pitcher) but Ian Kinsler was one. According to the story that I saw, Loria ruled against it. So maybe we can't throw all of the blame on Beinfest.

laurelbowie

I wouldn't mind seeing Yadier Molina crouched down in front of that fish tank for about 80 games next year. Cards have a $7 million club option on him, so I guess it's not likely.

laurelbowie

Casey Stengel, shrewd baseball man that he was, once said, "You've got to have a catcher or all the balls go to the backstop." I'm with you, Stan M — I'm tired of seeing the Marlins' balls go to the backstop.

alex

Aramis Ramirez

Leo Armbrister

When are the Marlins going to start referring to themselves as the Miami Marlins. The Florida Marlins are history lets look to the future. As for uniform changes the only change I would make is change the F to a M.

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