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Marlins make ML history with walkathon

     NEW YORK -- Don't think Josh Johnson, Randy Choate, Steve Cishek and Mike Dunn will be boasting about this to their grandkids when they're older. But they made big-league history earlier this evening when the four pitchers walked four Mets batters in succession.

      Can you say "major league first?"

      That's right. According to Elias Sports Bureau, which knows everything there is to know statistically in major league baseball, that had never happened before. But happen it did at Citi Field, where -- for the first time since Abner Doubleday -- four batters in a row were walked by four different pitchers.

       It all started when Johnson issued his first free pass of the night, a two-out walk in the seventh to Lucas Duda. That's when Ozzie Guillen began a series of three trips to the mound. First in was Choate, who was brought in to face Ike Davis. Mets manager Terry Collins countered with pinch-hitter Justin Turner, who became the second player to walk.

       Cishek was brought in for Choate and walked pinch-hitter Scott Hairston to load the bases. Guillen turned to his 'pen one more time, summoning Dunn, who promptly walked Josh Thole to force in the tying run.

        Four Mets batters. Four Marlins pitchers. Four walks. New major league record.

        Interestingly enough, they were the only walks issued by Marlins pitchers the entire game.

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bob

How about that.

Stan M

Yes, it is second guessing. But we were taken down by the dreaded pitch count. JJ was pitching his best game of the year...by far...and got yanked! Nonsense. And if that wasn't bad enough, Ozzie was outmanaged with his choice of Choate. A simple pinch hitter shot that move. The last insult was to ask our reliever with the least control of the strike zone to get the last out with the bases loaded. I'll bet that every one of us who watched that move just knew he would walk in the tying run. A disgraceful loss. And I agree with the poster on the last blog who questions our hitting coach's effectiveness. Something must be done to shake things up. And they can't fire Ozzie....so...

Briangiubardo@yahoo.com

I was pulling my hair out watching Ozzie running back and forth to the mound. He looked clueless. Agreed Stan that they gotta shake it up.

Andres

Four major league pitchers walked four batters and this is somehow Ozzie's fault?

HENRYH

millions of dollars spent on what? A lead off hitter, a pitcher that pitches every four days and a closer that we cannot get to since we cant score runs. Great off season, same old garbage from last year and the year before. We have no clue on how to judge talent, Lomo is NOT A LEFT FIELDER, Our catcher cant throw anyone out stealing, Our Centerfielder has No Arm so anyone can score from second and we have NO F BULLPEN. LITTLE HITLER AND IDIOT BEINSFEST GREAT JOB, YOU GUYS ARE THE WORST. YOU STEAL LIE CHEAT THE CITY AND COUNTY TO BUILD YOU A STADIUM, SPEND THE MONEY TO GET A QUALITY TEAM ON THE FIELD. BOYCOTT THIS TEAM UNTIL THE DO,.

Ol' Casey

Get Down, HENRYH...you tell em

richiej

we can second guess the pitching moves forever, it was just a freak event. what we should be questioning is the hitting, or lack of hitting. didn't the front office fire the hitting coach that all the young players were familiar with from triple a? as i recall, some of the players expressed their unhapiness with that firing. since that time, eduardo perez has been the hitting coach. i think it is time for him to assume some responsibility for the very poor offense. i hear tommy and rich praise him for the great?????? job he has done.

Lois

Take Reyes out of the lead off spot until he can hit on a regular basis. Have Boni hit lead off and Infante bat 2nd like he did last year and change Stantons name back to Mike. He hit so good as Mike with all kinds of power and now he is just not the same player. Only joking.

Truthteller

I've lost count of the number of times that the amazingly overrated Josh Johnson has taken the mound in the seventh inning with a lead and, by the time the seventh inning was over, there was no more lead. Dominator, my sweet behind. He's so overrated that it's aggravating, but, no matter, he'll be out for the year soon enough. Money well spent.

Flav C

And the funny thing is that lefty Choate walked lefty Turner; righty Cishek walked righty Hairston, and lefty Dunn walked lefty Thole. Is this pitcher-hitter match-up thing overrated?

Flav C

Hey Truthteller, if you've lost the count, I can give it to you: 4 times.
Now, maybe you've lost the count of the number of games the Marlins couldn't score more than 2 runs when he pitched 7 innings allowing 0 or 1 run in the game: 26 times.
Or the number of games that the bullpen blew the lead after the 6th or 7th inning, while he kept the team with the lead: 14 times.

Peter Gammons Dog

The Ozzhole goes by the Book, just like FatAzz Fredi did.Great managers throw the book away. Loria fired the hitting coach last year because Hanley complained about not getting along with him..It's a Latin thing ...hired T Perez' son,without a resume on hitting or coaching hitting. Can you say nepotism? Unqualified? Gotta speek Spani? Marlins are in the bottom 5 teams in scoring runs again,just like last year. That's progress for ya. Not.

laurelbowie

Actually, Flav C, Justin Turner is a righty, brought in to counter Ozzie's move to Choate. Why Ozzie didn't didn't bring in a righty immediately to face Turner befuddled me then and befuddles me even more in hindsight. What a disaster. Everybody talks about Ozzie being so honest. I wonder whether he is honest enough to admit that Collins totally outsmarted and outmanaged him last night.

laurelbowie

Another point that should be made: Ozzie's lifting JJ for Choate prompted Terry Collins to remove Ike Davis, who's mired in a terrible slump and hasn't had a hit since the Big Bang, for Turner, who's a pretty good pinch hitter. Would have been much smarter just to let Davis take his hacks.

Flav C

lb, you're right.
Well, as bad as Ozzie's moves were, the pitchers were even worse.

Toad305

I hate this team. They're bums.

laurelbowie

Toad,
That's too bad. They all speak so highly of you.

George Brett (Yeah...that's Right!)

I just could not read any more without commenting! You Fans have never really had any CLUE as to what goes on in this Game (and I expect some "Nasty" Letters for saying that)but...you guys Really Take First Prize!

Josh Johnson is Much More Valuable than ONE WIN! If JJ's Doctor has Recommended a "Pitch Count" then by golly...you go by his Recommendation! As for bringing in Choate...most Managers would have done the same and for the "BoneHead" that was befuddled because "...Ozzie didn't didn't bring in a righty immediately to face Turner...". Dude! It takes a while to get a Relief Pitcher up and "Warmed Up"! You can't just "Pop them in a Microwave"!

As for "...Four Different Pitchers...Walking Four Different Batters..." you cannot Blame Ozzie for that!

Plus all this Talk about "Hitting Coach"! How many of you guys actually "Played the Game"? These Ball Players have been Hitting a FastBall since Little League! And a Breaking Ball since High School. All the Hitting Coach does is "Point Out" Discrepancies in their Swings and usually it's a Parent or someone that has been watching them all of their Lives that catches something wrong.

No...the "Hitting Woes" does not come from the Hitting Coach. A big part is from the Caliber of Pitching they've seen. In no way is this Team going to continue Hitting like they have been!

It "Tickles" me to read all of the "Expert Comments" from those that have never Played the game at a Level above Little League or "Park Ball". One more thing...I had the Extreme Pleasure of being Coached by Charlie Lau. Now...There was a Hitting Coach that made a DIFFERENCE! Charlie REVOLUTIONIZED Hitting! Edwardo Perez is a "Decent" Hitting Coach that has Pointed out a few things to Marlin Hitters that has helped them. Give this Team some more time before you Jump Ship like rats!

Man...I'm sure glad I NEVER Had Teamates like you Guys!!!!!

Stan M

There seems to be a consensus here. That hitting coach should go. And Ozzie and his fartcatcher, Joey Cora, showed themselves to be fallible in decision making as many of us have pointed out above. It's hard to blame JJ on this one. He certainly didn't want to come out. When we play NY, I like to tune into the Met announcers. Ron Darling and Keith Hernandez are excellent analysts. And boy, did they ever praise JJ's pitching.

Bill W

Hey Brett...are you still going to AA meetings? You were a piss ass drunk half the time, still drinking???That's what we hear. Oh well. the HOF is full of alcoholics like you. You're in good company. Bottoms Up.

flagstafffishfan

I say the Fish sign George as a hitting coach!! Heck yeah George would be awesome...Loria has a short fuse and Perez could be gone even if it isn't his fault. C'mon George join the Fish man!! Bringing the knowledge of Charlie Lau to these young guys would be huge! Clark let Jeffrey know will ya?

laurelbowie

Hi George,
How are things in South Carolina? You probably didn't get to see the game last night. 'Cause if you had, you'd realize the Fish already had a righty up and warm when they brought Choate in. See you on the radio.

Stan M

Brett's post wasn't up while I was writing mine. LB, do you think Brett live is Greenville, SC?

Mayor of Greenville

Greenville,SC is too much of a redneck shithole for a party animal like Brett.

Briangiubardo@yahoo.com

Stan did Darling or Hernandez say anything about pulling him after that walk? Just curious.

laurelbowie

Stan M,
In answer to your question, there is no doubt in my mind.

Stan M

Sorry, I had switched back to the Marlins telecasters at that point. Wish I didn't. What amazed me was that Darling and Hernandez were playing up JJ's pitching even more than Santana's. They called it, "Good ol' country hardball", said JJ was one of best in majors, and called a couple of his sliders to LF hitters "as close to unhittable as a pitch can be".

laurelbowie

Stan M,
I think there is a universal law of physics that says two of them can't exist at the same time in the same galaxy. So it has to be our friend.

Stan M

I don't remember anyone saying it above, and I'm not going to reread them all. There was one major good that came out of that very disappointing loss last night. JJ certainly looked like his old self and we all have reason to be hopeful in that regard.

Flav C

I agree with some of the things that George Brett wrote above. Yes, JJ is much more valuable than one win. And maybe taking him out was the right decision. In fact we'll never know. The Marlins never said that he was in a pitch count. Since day one Ozzie and the others have been saying that he is doing great as far as his health is concerned. I just thought it wasn't the best decision since he is a much better pitcher than any other in the bullpen and the Mets (a team that cannot hit) just couldn't find his sliders all night. He struck-out 7 out of the 9 with sliders. Anyway, the decision of bringing Choate was very normal, considering coaches nowadays love the "pitcher-hitter" match-up. The thing is the hitting team always have the upper hand since they can pull the hitter for a PH that will not match with the pitcher. Smart coaches sometimes have a lefty and a righty warming up, just in case. Bottom line, to me, the responsibility is on the bullpen. All they had to do was to get one guy out.
As far as Ed Perez, i don't know how much of the bad hitting performance can be credited to him and how much to the bad plate discipline of some of the players. If we take a look at a hitter who is struggling big time (Gaby Sanchez), he is swinging at 40% of out-of-the zone pitches, whereas his avg over the last 2 seasons was 30%. I'm sure that if I am able to see it, Perez does too. So does Gaby. How much of that can Perez actually fix?
If we look back at Jim Presley, he also coached hitters that had bad plate discipline (Uggla, Hermida, Jacobs, Cantu, etc), and some of them never improved. But somehow he was able to find the strength of each hitter and worked on it, improving the swing and posture for a particular type of pitch in certain areas of the strike zone where does guys strived. It kind of worked out, since the Marlins over almost 3 years (2008-mid 2010) was in the NL top 5 of Runs scored, HRs, etc..They hitted for power, never for average. Miguel Cabrera is a player that never stops praising Presley's ability to improve his swing and plate posture. Again, i'm not worshiping Presley. I just think that maybe he realized some aspects of plate discipline would take longer than usual to be improved, so he decided to work on getting those guys even better at what they were. I'm kind of curious to see how Perez's approach will be, since at this point the players are not hitting neither for average nor for power.

Flav C

And wherever you read "hitted", I meant "hit". Some call it bad grammar, others call it "brain fart".

Truthteller

Josh Johnson is great for the first six innings of games played before the All-Star Break. Groovy.

Stan M

Oh Flav, I couldn't disagree with you more regarding Presley. He was a HR or nothing hitter with a very low BA and that's what we got from those Marlin players that he coached. They did score well, but I would posture that talent overcame Presley's approach.

You are perfectly right in crediting the bullpen with the loss, but I still think Ozzie made not one, but several unwise decisions. Pulling JJ, pulling Cistek, inserting Choate, and above all relying on Dunn not to walk a batter with the bases full.

The team took a nose dive 1/3 of way into last year and still can't win now. As you so correctly point out, a hitting coach can mainly stress approach and attitude. By any criteria, results count and because of this Perez should go if for no other reason than to shake up the status quo. If it is true that the former coach was sacked because of Hanley, then it is a disgrace.

One thing Ozzie has done so far is to juggle his lineup. I'd like to see Bono lead off and Reyes hit second just to see if it helps jolt Reyes out of his slump. Too many fly balls and that's not his game.

Stan M

Oh Flav, I couldn't disagree with you more regarding Presley. He was a HR or nothing hitter with a very low BA and that's what we got from those Marlin players that he coached. They did score well, but I would posture that talent overcame Presley's approach.
You are perfectly right in crediting the bullpen with the loss, but I still think Ozzie made not one, but several unwise decisions. Pulling JJ, pulling Cistek, inserting Choate, and above all relying on Dunn not to walk a batter with the bases full.
The team took a nose dive 1/3 of way into last year and still can't win now. As you so correctly point out, a hitting coach can mainly stress approach and attitude. By any criteria, results count and because of this Perez should go if for no other reason than to shake up the status quo. If it is true that the former coach was sacked because of Hanley, then it is a disgrace.

One thing Ozzie has done so far is to juggle his lineup. I'd like to see Bono lead off and Reyes hit second just to see if it helps jolt Reyes out of his slump. Too many fly balls and that's not his game.

Flav C

Stan, in other words, we agreed on the same thing regarding Presley. I just put in other words that, since he could not improve plate discipline, he played with what he knew best and what those hitters knew best: hit for power.

laurelbowie

Guys, I know Tony Perez and Hawk and Conine all have other duties. But when the team is this desperate for hitting and you have three hitters of that caliber working for your organization, it seems as though one of them could be enlisted to help out — either by hiring him as batting coach or by asking him to be a "temporary assistant batting coach." There is a lot of top-notch help available, but they're all shuffling papers in the front office.

JG

Laurelbowie - once a new pitcher is brought into a game, he must face at least 1 batter. So once Choate was brought in, he had to face whoever the Mets sent up there, whether righty or lefty. They couldn't immediately remove him when Turner was sent up for Davis.

spitballer

These losses have been tuff, 4 of which should have been victories. We have 6 games remaining in April, we are 7-9...we still have a good shot at finishing above .500 for the month.

Jimmy the Geek

wanna bet? D-Backs are tough.

laurelbowie

JG,
Thanks. All the years I've been watching baseball, I never knew that. Guess I'm still not too old to learn something new (but I'm getting there). Wonder what happens if a pitcher comes in, picks a runner off first base without ever throwing to the hitter. Suppose that's the third out of the inning and the manager wants to lift him for a pinch hitter. There's a rule to cover everything, so I'm sure there's a rule for that, too.

Stan M

LB, I might have already told you this. Once at Belmont in the enclosed area with all the "rich" people, I was standing next to Jimmy the Greek as he checked his card. I've forgotten if it was 5 or 6 in a row, but he hadn't won yet!

Jimmy the Geek

new rule in MLB this YEAR,that a pitcher entering game has to pitch to at least one Batter...

flagstafffishfan

Just a curious question regarding the Marlins and old Fish that could be a good coach. What about Mike Lowell? For conversation sake. Any news on our friend?

laurelbowie

Stan M,
You know jockeys and bookies are notoriously lousy handicappers. Of course, it's a tough game — and there were times when it felt like I was 0 for 6 DAYS!

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