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Survey: Guillen "least respected" manager; Stanton in "best physical shape"

    Marlins manager Ozzie Guillen didn't fare well in a Men's Journal magazine survey of 100 big-league players. When asked to identify the manager they respected least, Guillen was mentioned by 36 percent of the respondents -- considerably more than the runner-up, Boston's Bobby Valentine (14 percent). Third on the list is Cleveland's Manny Acta (5 percent).

    Ozzie In a release from Men's Journal: Players bristle that Guillen is "loud" and "can get under your skin." Says one opponent, "He loses it all the time." Adds another, "He always preaches that he backs his players, but he's been known to throw them under the bus." A rival reliever says, "You can't call your guys out every weekend, and he does that."

    Given how outspoken and prickly both can be, more so than most managers, it really comes as no surprise that Guillen and Valentine head the list. So far, though, I've yet to see Guillen throw any Marlins player under the bus, or call anyone out, and there have been a couple of occasions when I thought he might.

     The survey also asked players to identify the "player in best physical shape." The winner: Giancarlo Stanton, who was mentioned by 28 percent of the respondents. Giancarlo

      From Men's Journal: "He's a real-life Under Armour mannequin," one major leaguer says, marveling at the 6-foot-5, 248-pound outfielder, a former USC football recruit whose off-season rituals include running the stairs at UCLA's track stadium. "He's not normal, not human." An NL slugger adds, "I don't think he has any body fat."

      The full poll results are published in the July issue of Men's Journal, which hits newstands on Friday.

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MarlinChick

OZZIE PLEASE GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR BACKSIDE!!!

Tonight's starters if I were making the card..

*Jose SS
*Salono 3B (Hanley night off}
*Stanton RF {He will not strike out 4 times tonight}
*LoMo LF {Finding his swing instead of looking cool on twitter}
*Ruggiano CF ( 2nd best physique on team}
*Omar (Pleasse play with more passion}
*Dobbs {Lefty on mound should not matter}
*Hayes {Lesser of the two evils}
*Ricky

Please Ozzie give us a chance!!

flagstafffishfan

Nice lineup card MarlinChick!! In fairness to Ozzie he hasn't thrown anyone under the bus publicly. Maybe he should have by now but he hasn't. He has stuck with struggling guys too long and is far to careful with some of the egos on this team. The bigger issue is the team he has been dealt. He doesn't have a catcher, 1B, only one outfielder when Boni is healthy, and a 3rd baseman that appears to need a scenery change for his career to survive. So that's pretty much the nucleus of the team that isn't performing. Everyone on this blog knows that the Marlins 6,7,8 hitters are horrible and we saw proof of that last night. Ozzie wouldn't even entertain the thought of pinch hitting for any of them. Why? Listening to the broadcast last night Tommy was all upset about the lack of votes for the all star game for Marlins, ask yourself who is truly deserving of being an all star on this team? Stanton maybe? Cishek? Hard to think of position players that are worthy. Still early but time is quickly running out. Will we be buyers or sellers come July? And who would you let go of? Maybe I'd let go of Larry Beinfest!

Flav C

Alex,
I'd appreciate if you re-read what I posted and see if at any point i tried to misinform anyone. By May 4th, JJ had an ERA above 6. One can call a 6 innings, 3 ERA a quality start for a Buehrle or Zambrano. I don't call it a quality start for the ace of the team. But then again, this is my opinion. It is different than yours and I respect that.
I apologize if you interpreted what I wrote as being "six starts in a row". If you are quoting me , I guess you are absolutely wrong. I never used these words.
All I was trying to say is that JJ was not his usually self (with a 6+ era) and Anibal was pitching lights out in that period of time. That's all.
I'd appreciate if you could stop with your personal accusations towards me. I don't know you. I don't have anything against you.
Just respect the opinion of other people in this board, even if they are different than yours. Several times in the past we agreed to disagree in this board. Cordially, as a matter of fact. No one was ever called "idiot", or being accused of "working for the Front Office", just because of difference of opinions.
At this point we are all aware of your alleged age and knowledge of baseball, but it doesn't mean your opinion is better or more truthful that any other one's opinion here. There are people who come here and criticize the Marlins, and they are called "morons". Again, it is their opinion.
This is a venue to share our ideas, to vent our frustrations towards the team, to share positive (or negative) information and data.

I Act Surprised

Mark Girlie, outpitched again. Quel shocque.

clubhouse confidential

Is it Ozzie's fault the FO is forcing him to play Coghlan,so they can at least try get some value for a trade before thet lose him thru the waiver wire if they try to send him down again? If it was up to Ozzie alone ,Coghlan wouldnt be on this team. Period. Coghlan will be gone one way or the other,when Boni comes back. By the way, Coghlan's agent is Scott Boras, the only Marlins player he represents. The more MLB service time Coghlan gets this season the closer he is to his 3 yr service time for ARB.Get the picture?

Stan M

I guess you missed what was a game saving catch by Coghlan last night...saved 2 runs. Nothing with the bat but he still made his presense felt in a big way. In his rookie year, Coghlan was close to being our best player. The man has demonstrated achievement. Granted he is all messed up now, but to cut him would be a blunder equal to letting Cody walk. He has too much upside to throw him to the wolves. LoMo was given plenty of opportunity and is coming around. We could win this thing if Coghlan comes around too.

Flav, I second your comments to Alex. Joe F isn't here so forget him. I also was tossed from his blog, mentioned why once and forgot about it.

I like Marlin Chick's lineup, but would flip flop Stanton and LoMo. As I said last week, Infante hasn't been the same since he had that personal leave. No idea why.

Glags

Cut your losses already. The two runs he saved really don't matter considering these guys couldn't hit water if they jumped in the ocean. He needs to get himself right but it doesn't look like its happening at the MLB level. Question, wasn't Coghlan sent down once already or did he start the season in the minors?

Flav C

Glags, he started the season in the regular lineup. He was batting .118 by end of April and was sent down to the minors.
Last year in June, he was in a big slump as well when he was sent down to the minors and a guy named Dewayne Wise took his spot. At that time, instead of going to Triple A, Coghlan went to DL, because of some sort of knee injury that ha had not disclosed until that very moment.
The interesting thing here is that Ruggiano is indeed hitting the ball well in the opportunities he had. But is also true that there are several reasons why he never made the starting roster with the Rays and Astros. One of them is that he is out of options, so they could not send him to the minors anymore. Same thing will happen here if he gets the starting position and for some reason, he goes on a slump. But for now, he is one of the few true outfielders we have.
clubhouse comments above do make sense too.

Flav C

I do think that Ozzie should move Infante back to 5-6 position. He had his best performances while hitting 5 thru 7. All his HRs and almost all his RBIs came during tihs period. He is not swinging the bat well, not even giving himself a chance to produce a BB. With Reyes constantly on base, we have to have some hot at bats after him. Either LoMo or Solano should play 2nd.

Clark

Just to clarify something. Coghlan still has options. He would not have to pass through waivers in order for the Marlins to stick him back at Triple A. Also, Solano and Ruggiano are in tonight's lineup, which goes as follows: Reyes, Solano (LF), Ramirez, Stanton, Infante, Ruggiano (CF), Sanchez, Hayes, Nolasco. -- Clark

MarlinChick

He started the season in the minors. I figured there had to be a reason why Ozzie keeps trotting Coggs out there. I have watched this team a long time now. Last night was the only time I felt like not watching the game the following evening:( But I am sure I will be tuned in. On a lighter note took my kids to the game a couple of weeks ago. It was so great. Worth the 2 1/2 hour drive. Stadium is one of the best in baseball. And we have been to a bunch.

Flav C

Clark - Thanks.
Interesting. No LoMo.
The pitcher is lefty but his numbers against left hitters is not that much better than against righties.

Stan M

Thanks, Clark. By all means he should be sent to AAA to get himself straightened out. We all ask Ozzie to be creative and use our two new men, and he is doing just that. Also Infante down 5th and Buck benched. This is the best we can currently put out there.

Clark, did you see my question about whether or not a team can lie about attendance figures? Would love to hear your take on this. Ballpark looked more than half empty last night and they announced 29,000+.

Flav C

Stan, take a look at the link I posted on the previous post. It might have some answers regarding the attendance.

Glags

Thanks to everyone. My memory failed me.

Alex

Flav, I didn't see the above post of your, so please disregard my reply to you on another thread.

A few things: WTF do you mean my "alleged age"? If someone says they are whatever age, I take it for the truth. Yet you seem to be implying that I'm lying about my age. How STUPID are you? Why would I lie about being 56 years old? What a really scumbaggish thing to say. Yes, I'm 56 years old, born March 31 1956 in Brooklyn NY. And I have FORGOTTEN MORE ABOUT BASEBALL than you think you know. I remember Curt Flood and Andy Messersmith and the first free agents, and all sorts of stuff you only READ ABOUT, child. Grew up reading Gallo and Young, and other REAL sports writers. Have some RESPECT for your elders.

Secondly, this is an EXACT QUOTE from your post about JJ:

"But also it is important to remember that when he was having a series of 6 bad starts."

A SERIES OF SIX BAD STARTS. Oh, you said a SERIES! Sorry that I "misunderstood you" and I thought you were saying that he had SIX BAD STARTS IN A ROW. Now I get it! He was having a SERIES of six bad starts, but NOT in a row. How could I possibly make such a mistake! Hilarious, LMFAO! Everybody knows that "a series of six bad starts" means OVER THE COURSE OF THREE MONTHS! How dumb of me. But the truth is he hasn't had SIX BAD STARTS ALL YEAR! Anyway, you know what you said and you know what you meant and so do I. And we both know EXACTLY why you put up that post criticizing JJ, so knock it off. You posted that garbage because I just put up a post saying JJ the Ace has returned. I mean seriously, how OLD ARE YOU? Because you must be about 16 if you don't think that wasn't transparent as hell.

And all your pious crap about "This is a venue to share our ideas, to vent our frustrations towards the team, to share positive (or negative) information and data" is truly funny! Sure, I called the OBVIOUS TROLLS WHO COME HERE "MORONS". That's what they are, but just so I don't give you any more ammunition to attack me, I won't go there again. Let the trolls have fun, I damn sure won't say anything to them anymore! Hilarious, you defending the likes of that "Fed Up" guy, etc. "Bad Alex! Don't call the morons morons!"

You are really a sad guy. You don't want me "on your case"? Don't mess with me. Don't reply to anything I post. Ignore me and I'll gladly ignore YOU. It's not that hard for me to ignore you! You don't post anything noteworthy, other than to defend the Front Office, and I'll never be one of your fans. I don't kiss butt and that bothers you. I understand. You been here a long time I guess, and here I come, a new guy posting my opinions rather strongly without getting to know who is who over here. But that's because I DON'T CARE who is who over here. I guess you expected me to tip toe around and post mild stuff until everyone got to know me and I got to know wqho the "Board Leaders" were. Sorry, I respect some of the guys baseball knowledge over here, and all I do is talk baseball with a few of them. But I don't believe in "Board Leaders". Unlike you, I have no desire to be liked or admired ON THE INTERNET.

Alex

To the rest of you guys, I apologize for getting into this beef with Flav. This crap should not detract from our Marlins talk. I should have just ignored him completely. That's what I plan on doing from here on in; provided he keeps his mouth shut about what I post, I won't say anything about what he posts. Again, I apologize. Now let's just talk baseball.

Anybody remember Ed Brinkman? How about Ron Hunt? Felix Millan? Joe Pepitone's sideburns? LMFAO

Glags

Awkward.

MarlinChick

I would rather see LoMO at first than Gabby. Is it me or does he pop everything up. Never changes his approach no matter the count. I like the line up. BTW the Red Socks stink as well. So we have a good shot tonight!!!

laurelbowie

The Red Sox had our old friend Andrew Miller warming in the bullpen last night. I was truly hoping they were going to run him out there for an inning. Maybe tonight.

Who's on1st I dont know is in CF

clark...how many options does Coghlan have left with the Marlins? Can you clarify this. Coghlan has be up and down like a yo-yo since his ROY season in 09'.Very confusing.

Flagstafffishfan

MarlinChick you're right it appears that Gaby just pulls off of everything and pops it straight up. It is frustrating watching his AB's when they're so predictable. Thank you Clark for straightening out the Coghlan options issue. Well this is the lineup we've been hoping for gang...let's see how they do. Go Marlins!

another_one_bites_da_dust

LOL!! LMFAO!! alex??alex??? or should u b called OrlandoBosch59? or SHARP_STEELS_SPIKE? diffrnt name same shitty behavior LOL!! showing his true colors n' ready to be booted off another board...LOL...your ip address is becoming famous in 305 worldwide...LMFAO!!! jackal n' others miss ya lots!!

Flagstafffishfan

Anyone watch Bryce Harpers HR yesterday? Holy sheet!

Stan M

Flav, I read it as soon as you put it up yesterday. No it doesn't answer the question, but it was very interesting anyway.

Alex, just stop it!. By now you've told your life's story to the point that we all have it memorized. And if it comes to Flav or you, you will not fare well. Stick to baseball and you will be respected for your opinions. This self justification stinks and is unnecessary. Flav, I'm sorry, but I don't know your gender.

I try to switch to the Nats each time Bryce Harper comes up. It was a ringer and to dead center. But it's everything else that kid does. As so many have said, he respects the game. Oh, if Hanley had his makeup.

Regarding Gabby, since half way through last year he has been doing an excellent job of trying to copy Buck at the plate. He's a goner, but has no trade value at all. It's been too long to think he can turn it around and even if he did, all he would do is rise to mediocrity.

flagstafffishfan

Agreed Stan that Gaby is toast. Love the comment about Hanley just having a small part of his make-up. Not sure if you heard the interview in Canada yesterday after the game where a reporter asked if he was going out to have a beer because of the drinking age being 19. He looked at the guy and said "that's a clown question". The Marlins need a scrappy talent like that...where instead of that "lo viste" sign just plays HARD! Lo Viste? Oh god....help this team.

flagstafffishfan

and Clark just tweeted that Ozzie gives himself a C+ or a D with his managing so far this year. Anyone care to grade old Oz? I give him a C-.

Glags

He's no dummy either. At 19 he's pretty quick on his feet. "That's a clown question, bro" I believe is what he replied after some reporter asked if he'd go out drinking. It endeared me to him because I use the word "bro" a lot. Too much I've been told.

Stan and everyone else, I think its best to ignore any of Alex's posts that have nothing to do with baseball. I don't necessarily agree with the notion that your a butt kisser if you don't call people out or that such a thing as a "board leader" exists. We've all asked him to tone it down a couple of notches but it's obvious he's incapable of doing do. Trying to rationalize with the individual seems to only ramp him up even more. We'll ignore him and he'll ignore us. Only this way will we co-exist. I have no problem with a debate or disagreements but if this conversations were in person he'd probably end up getting tazed.

Glags

Don't taze me bro!!! Anyone remember that guy.

Stan M

I would give Ozzie a B-. He has tried many variations of lineups and has defended his players as he should. But it would be nice if he called out one or two, but it's hard because even Buck hustles. Unfortunately, the talent simply isn't there with him. I haven't seen this kid on the Angels yet, but he must really be something if he is considered to be a better prospect than Harper. I don't care how far Stanton hits a ball (and I really do like him) but given the choice, Harper would be my man. He never looks lost as Stanton does upon occasion. It kind of hurts to think that I will not be around when he makes the HOF in about 25 years. Washington won again this afternoon, he went 1/5 but is still at .303 in BA. What a talent!

tony carlesimo

Now that opposing managers know how to pitch to Stanton, and realizing that fifth through ninth in the order are minor threats (based on their averages and recent performances), run production will probably suffer. Pitch Stanton low and outside. If he walks, no big deal. If he swings and misses (as is so often the case-four Ks last night) it's an out.

Flagstafffishfan

And once again Cy Young pitching.

Glags

Flags I was thinking the same thing.

Flagstafffishfan

Are we having fun yet? Holy crap you've got to be kidding me. I love the shots of our coaching staff. I wish I could be the batting coach for the Fish. Obviously there are NO productivity expectations. Old Eddy was hiding from the cameras tonight. Saw Mike Lowell was at the game. Can I change my grade for Ozzie? What about a grade for Lucky Larry? Is this some brujeria by the Cubans on Ozzie and the team? 3 count em 3 hits through 7.

Flagstafffishfan

Make it 4 now ALRIGHT! Here comes a Beinfest special ANDREW MILLER! This should be great.

Stan M

Flags,
I also want to change my grade. This is a badly run team. They deserve to be where they are and it could easily get worse. Frankly, I switched to the Mets game...where the Hopper was in in relief for Tampa Bay. Good enough for the AL East's top team, but not good enough for the Marlins to keep. We have Goudin instead. How is that working out? I'm more disgusted now than I was in April and that's saying a lot.

dejavu all over again

This is june 2011 with a new manager, 100 million payroll at a new stadium, wearing new uni's with a new name. Scary.

Rod Serling

Anybody guessing if any moves will be made,after this fiasco of a game? 1-8 homestand. A year ago on Fathers Day in Tampa ,before the game, Edwin said no mas. Do not try to adjust your picture. Welcome to the Marlins Twilight Zone.

Flagstafffishfan

Bell and Ozzie went at it on the mound! Falling apart...

rbleigh

Looking too similar to last year at same point in the season. Scary. Clark, what was the team's record after they left San Francisco last season? I'm curious if it mirrors their record before this home stand.

rbleigh

Lucky for the team that the majority of Miami is only paying attention to the Heat right now or else this would be in bold in the sport's page.

Flagstafffishfan

It's officially a mess. The FO will try and downplay the words between Ozzie and Bell but just like Men's Journal, the players are losing respect for Ozzie. Is this what Jeffrey ordered after spending all The taxpayers...oops sorry...all his money on this team? Kidding aside like Stan I find myself tuning in to watch anything other than the Fish right now. Rod I know if it were my organization I'd sure as hell be making some changes. .

Rod Serling

Didnt take long..Cogz to NOLA...

rbleigh

A few thoughts: 1st I'll eat crow because I never thought there would be a baseball only stadium built in S. FL but it happened and my other thought is proving correct. The people of Miami will root and show up to watch a winner that's it. People who just want to watch a baseball game will show to do so rain or shine, inconvenient drive or not; doesn't matter. The casual fan will go his 1 or 2 games a year regardless. But yes, it's a beautiful stadium and if this flawed team actually makes the playoffs, every game will be a sellout.

2. I really thought this lineup had the chance to be like 2003's some pop and some scary speed at the top of the lineup wreaking havoc on the opposition. Boni, please heal up.

3. But then I forgot the 2003 lineup had Gold Glove caliber defense across the board. Lowell at 3rd was a vacuum cleaner, Gonzalez at SS was solid and probably never given enough credit. Luis was Luis, amazing. Pierre in CF could track down anything which usually made up for his weak arm. And let's not forget even at 1B, Derek Lee was special too.

Holy crap this year's bunch has a ways to go.

Rod Serling

wonder if they'll call up Cousins and give him another shot

Flagstafffishfan

Or Petey? @rbleigh I too was inhaling the good stuff thinking they'd be at the very least more consistent but wow...this team can't hit, field, still....and has the lowest baseball I.Q. In the majors. Now I don't live in the 305 anymore but I used to be a season ticket holder and would have again with the new park but it will be empty next year if things don't change. Miamians are fickle fans but they will show up for a winner. My fear is that pretty soon camera 12 will only have 350 lb chicks in the pool at the Clevelander!

F. T. Ardkowalczyk

Can't pitch, can't hit, can't field. Worst team in baseball, worst manager in baseball, worst ownership in baseball, worst fans in the country and the worst city in the country. Other than that, we're great. Screw this. Just blow it up. Ban the playing, viewing, and discussing of sports south of PGA Boulevard and north of Card Sound Road. We have no business. We're just not good at it. At all. The world laughs at us, and deservedly so. Just tear down all the stadia and build schools and hospitals. Do something useful for once. Kick these overrated, overrated, heartless, gutless bums out of town.

Flagstafffishfan

Wow F.T. tell us how you really feel. Yep you watched the same game I did tonight.

Flagstafffishfan

Clark did you get the good chisme on the squabble tonight?

Clark

Stan, I believe David Samson acknowledged in a New Yorker article this spring that he lied about the attendance at Sun Life Stadium. On the other hand, I often question crowd figures when I'm on the road, too. The Phillies have had umpteen hundred consecutive sellouts, but I always notice globs of empty seats in the upper deck, and I suspect their run will end this season given the way the team is playing.

RB, they were 29-19 when they left San Fran last year, and they were eight games over .500 at the start of June. Then came the collapse.

Who's on 1st, a player on the 40-man roster has three option YEARS. They can be sent up and down multiple times within those years (see Bryan Petersen).

Clark

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