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Stanton to test knee Friday, but not play

    MILWAUKEE -- Ozzie Guillen said Giancarlo Stanton will not play Friday when the Marlins open a 3-game series in St. Louis. Whether he plays the other two days of that series and, beyond that, participate in next week's Home Run Derby and All-Star Game remains to be seen.

    Stanton took batting practice in the indoor cages on Thursday, and he said he'll take part in all of the pre-game rituals -- taking batting practice, shagging in the outfield -- on Friday. But Stanton also said that if he does not play on both Saturday and Sunday in St. Louis, he probably won't take part in any All-Star festivities.

     "Tomorrow's the test," Stanton said.

     Stanton said that if his knee doesn't feel right, it's unlikely he would compete in just the Home Run Derby on Monday and not play in the All-Star Game on Tuesday.

     "It all depends on how hitting out there, and not just in the cage, feels, especially trying to get it over the fence all the time," he said. "I definitely don't want to go there and have to come out after five or 10 swings."

     Stanton said the MRI on his knee revealed a "loose body" of either bone or cartilage of about 6 mm.

     "The description of it is like the tip of your pinky," he said.

     Stanton, the Marlins' only All-Star representative, said he wouldn't necessarily go to Kansas City and make an appearance even if he is unable to take part in the Derby or Game. He said there's a chance that he could return to South Florida to have the loose body removed arthroscopically, instead.

     "If I have to go down (to Miami) and get it out, then no," Stanton said.    

 

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Alex

This is all starting to sound EXACTLY like Josh Johnson's injury last year. First they say he may play, there's POSSIBLY a chance, blah, blah, blah, then in the end they shut him down. Now Loria has his excuse to bail out on the season. He will say the following:

"In my opinion we have a great team, a playoff team, but injuries did us in. Yet I still tried, I didn't give up! I did my best by getting Carlos Lee and I really tried to get this team in position to win THIS YEAR, but it just didn't work out without JJ, er uh, I mean without STANTON. So, we are just going to focus on getting this team ready for next year and I pledge to do EVERYTHING I CAN to have us ready to win in 2013!"

What that translates to is the following: we will be sellers at the trade deadline, Stanton will be back in September some time, and that's all she wrote for 2012. Of course this is Miami, so Loria can get away with doing anything he damn well pleases.

I mean just look at that STUPID ARTICLE on the Herald Sports Page: THIS IS A HO HUM TIME OF YEAR FOR SPORTS FAN IN MIAMI. I read that and I wanted to punch that moron in the mouth. On the ONE HAND, the IDIOTIC SPORTS WRITERS here will bemoan the fact that baseball fans in Miami are not this and they're not that, but on the other hand they make it a self fulfilling prophecy by WRITING such GARBAGE!

If you write that this is a "Ho Hum Time for Sports" you help to MAKE IT THAT WAY! These IDIOTS here are so stupid it's INCREDIBLE. We have this kid Stanton that SHOULD BE the next big sports sensation. He's young, strong, hits HRs, and he's good looking too. He's the obvious heir to Jeter as baseball's next pretty boy Superstar, and trust me, if this was New York or any other REAL SPORTS TOWN, the sports media would be hyping him and promoting him as such. He would not be able to walk down the street, especially after that Sports Illustrated article. Instead he's basically a NOBODY in this town.

Well, that's how it goes in this SECOND RATE SPORTS TOWN. One of the main reasons that it IS a second rate sports town is because the SPORTS MEDIA HERE is SECOND RATE.

Pope

Davi J Neal is not a real sporstwriter anyway. He was hired to be the Heat pub writer and the Heralds gopher for the Heat players. Besides,what he knows about MLB cab be put in a shot glass ,with enough left over for the Atlantic Ocean to fit in. What would you expect from a wanna-be Heat jock sniffer. He couldnt write about MLB without showing his ignorance about Baseball.

Press Box Spy

Neal uses his press pass at Marlins Park ,just for free food and drink.. typical mooch shvartza.

Alex

Thanks to Pope & Press Box Spy for setting me straight about that David Neal guy. I didn't THINK he was a real sportswriter. But then again, they gave him space on the Sports Front Page to WRITE that Bullspit, didn't they? Very disappointed in the Herald. Big Time.

Alex

But hold on. I didn't see this remark from Press Box Spy at first: typical mooch "shvartza."

Listen, I'm a white man, but that kind of racial garbage pisses me off big time. I don't like it, and I bet that YOU are a typical INTERNET COWARD who will make comments like that ANONYMOUSLY but has no balls to say it to a black guy's FACE.

German Jew

shvartza is a common name for blacks in yiddish..also shvartz means black in german

laurelbowie

Alex,
That's something that needed to be said. I truthfully didn't know what the word meant, but when I looked it up, I was glad you told the creep off. Rascists are invariably cowards. The same DNA that makes them bigots also makes them chickensh*t.

Carlos sanchez

What the hell is up with Ozzie and his comments about Gaby Sanchez ? Unprovoked he said "I don't think he should be blaming anybody.Gaby has no one to blame but himself. We gave Gaby alot of opportunities." Is it a Cuban thing?
I wander why he does not feel this way about Bell?
Anyway this guy is a loose cannon-wish the Marlins made wiser decisions.

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/fish_bytes/2012/07/carlos-lee-talks-about-becoming-a-marlin-wvideo.html#comments#storylink=cpyWhat the hell is up with Ozzie and his comments about Gaby Sanchez ? Unprovoked he said "I don't think he should be blaming anybody.Gaby has no one to blame but himself. We gave Gaby alot of opportunities." Is it a Cuban thing?
I wander why he does not feel this way about Bell?
Anyway this guy is a loose cannon-wish the Marlins made wiser decisions.

laurelbowie

Hey Stan M,
You never answered my question. Isn't Hendersonville the place where they have the museum with dinosaur eggs? If you and I ever wandered in there, they might decide to keep us.
Actually, I just wanted to make sure you knew I hadn't ignored your kind invitation.

tio Jose

Carlos Sanchez...Gaby's relatives posting in

Alex

I have a good friend in Hendersonville. Oh well, back to baseball.

As far as Ozzie's remarks about Gaby, I think everybody is way off base. Where is the "unprovoked attack"? All he said was "Gaby has no one to blame but himself", which might be a bit tactless, but IT'S TRUE. Come on; whose else IS to blame but Gaby?

Look, I have been RIPPING Ozzie over and over again the past month or so for BAD MANAGING. Ozzie makes some REALLY BAD MANAGERIAL DECISIONS! Look how long he kept Ruggiano on the bench when all the kid did was HIT whenever he got into a game! Look at the crazy outfields that Ozzie keeps putting out there: Dobbs in the outfield, Kearns in the outfield, etc., etc. Look at the crazy pitching changes, putting Chad (Game Over, Change the Channel) Gaudin into close games. Ozzie has made a LOT of really questionable MANAGERIAL DECISIONS that he definitely DESERVES TO BE CRITICIZED FOR and I am starting to think all those Chicago fans who were laughing at us for signing him were 100% correct.

But to blame him for TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT GABY is just crazy. Look, all of us were saying basically the same thing about Gaby and wondering why Ozzie kept writing his name on the line up card day after day when the kid WASN'T PRODUCING. To RIP Ozzie for SAYING that Gaby had plenty of chances and didn't produce is just looking for an excuse to RIP the guy. And there's no need to LOOK FOR REASONS TO RIP OZZIE; there are PLENTY OF GOOD REASONS RIGHT IN FRONT OF US!

When Ozzie was hired, we all knew he was NOT a diplomat, that he often shot from the lip. To attack him now for basically being the guy we all knew he was, is reaching for straws.

Stan M

LB, sorry but just got to your last post. The pablum I had for lunch didn't agree with me, so I laid down...and fell asleep. What is a museum? Do you mean the baseball memorabilia store? There are two eggs there in the Marlin section. According to the listing beside them, one was laid be Heath Bell recently. The other is from the Hanley collection. Evidently it isn't rare at all for there are dozens on display throughout the South. Looking forward to your visit. There are some excellent nursing homes in the area that have free tours.

flagstafffishfan

Good post Alex about Stanton and Loria. Everyone likes to win, even old man Loria but the signing of Carlos Lee is a business decision solely. Ownership must give the appearance that they are trying to win...NOW. We all know that in the real world this team doesn't have a chance and Stanton is going on the shelf soon. This has to be one of the most dissapointing Marlins teams ever assembled. I don't know if the money got to guys like Bell and Reyes to a lesser extent but there has been a marked drop off by both. Marlins fans are tired of Hanley Ramirez and so far Ozzie has shown he's no magician when it comes to motivating this team in Miami. I don't mind the Lee rental but call it for what it is..a rental. It feels like the summer is almost over and we'll be talking about how bad the Dolphins suck but at least it will make David J Neal happy, that his sports purgatory is over. The glimmer of hope that was May was quickly dimmed to a dying ember in a Colorado forest, that was the Miami Marlins inaugural year of 2012. Beat that sheet David J Neal...ya loser.

Stan M

Good morning sportsfans,
It took me nearly 2 hours to read all of the relevant baseball stories this AM. There's an awful lot of stuff out there already, and ESPN's writers haven't put up todays new stories yet. Here are three articles that pertain to the Marlins, the first is one of best analysis of team I've seen...and it's basically optimistic. The second is an analysis of the Lee pick up and the author finds little to enthuse over. The third is more favorable toward the Lee trade.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/ben_reiter/07/03/jose-reyes-mark-buehrle-heath-bell-miami-marlins/index.html?sct=mlb_wr_a1


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/?eref=sinav&sct=hp_nv_a


http://marlinmaniac.com/2012/07/05/carlos-lee-low-risk-high-reward/

GM

When Bonifacio comes back, who would would you start in CF...Boni or Ruggiano...state your case. This is assuming Stanton and Lomo are in RF and LF.

laurelbowie

Doesn't seem that tough to me. Boni has to be in the lineup because the team chemistry seemed so much better when he was in there. So put Boni in center, Ruggiano in left and platoon Lomo and Lee at first. Lomo with his bad knee and Lee at 36 years old both might thrive with the extra days off. Lomo has shown he can perform as a pinch hitter and there's no reason to believe Lee wouldn't a good weapon off the bench when he doesn't start.

GM

gong

laurelbowie

Stan M,
Thanks for the links. It's interesting to read somebody else's take, but when you boil it all down, they're guessing just like we are — only they get paid more to do it. I don't think anybody in Fishland believes that Lee is the answer to all the Marlins' problems, but he looked pretty good yesterday and he might be a helpful piece, especially if Morrison and Stanton end up missing chunks of the season.
I have to admit, my lips got so tired reading all that stuff that I might need a nap now.
And GM, I gong your gong, so whatdaya think of that.

Leo Orestes Barberie

First I must apologize to ALL my Blog compatriots for this upcoming boring post. I promise to never do it again.

Everyone on this Blog knows my real name because my writing style is a tad distinctive. Since my name for the last 3 years or so was the ONLY REAL name on the Internet, I I figured I might as well use it since about 19 others at the Sentinel, Post-Times and Herald were using it. My wife asked me to cease.I understand most everybody who reads here(including Clark) knows my identity is not Leo Orestes Barberie. Therefore I'm still bristling at being called a bigot. Big Stan knows if there is one thing I'm not it's a bigot. In fact Stan and I would argue about health care reform, Grover Nordquist and many other things with me always being the Cal Berkeley type guy(Not that Stan is anywhere within 1,000 miles of being a bigot himself). I feel the need to explain one last time my reference to Marlins management trying to get all Latino players---which I actually believe would be far better than "all Southeast, Southwest, Far West and etc." players. What I was saying about Gaby was predicated on my thoughts that LoMo was about to be disabled and the lineup would have soon gone:

Reyes SS
Ramirez 3B
Lee 1B
Stanton RF
Infante 2B
Bonafacio-CF
Sanchez-1B
.174--C

That is a pretty good Hispanic lineup, and Giancarlo to mostAmericans probably sounds Hispanic. That would leave Buck, and I don't know what that sounds like. With 60% of your rotation also Latino that would leave a pretty impressive mark on the South Florida Hispanic community. To go along with our Venezuelan manager and Espada and Perez as coaches, that sounds like something to justifiably identify with and buy tickets to see play.

That is the last time I explain my reference to "so much patience being shown with Gaby", of course the very next moment our skipper is raking him over the coals.

Sorry for the post.

Leo Orestes Barberie

By the way, Thanks to all my buddies that communicated after this. I'm well aware of the comments on the Sun-Sentinel,however, you would have to write a lot better than that to be confused with myself. 2 Sentence Posts!! Indeed!! If you are going to use my name PLEASE!!!have one person think it is me. We all know it's made up but STILL 2 sentence Blogs.

Alex, Show em how!!

Beinfart

My starting OF would be Lomo ,Ruggi, and Stanton. Boni would not be a everyday starter on my team,he would spot start ,spelling off-days and injuries. His complete lack of power and his hitting style and defensive shortcomings make him a utility guy on my team.

Leo Orestes Barberie

Stan, I would love to come up and see Greensboro-ASheville as long as we do the Grove Park first.

Neil Rogers

Why dont you old Closet Queens make your dating arrangments in private.

Stan M

LOB, Grove Park is now out of my price range. My daughter and her husband took my wife and me because he was a speaker at a medical conference there. It was Sunday buffet and it was marvelous. My outfield would be LoMo-Ruggiano-Stanton. But I would trade either Infante or Hanley and put Bono there. This ballpark is not made for sluggers (Stanton excepted) so speed must be a critical factor. Reyes had to cut back his running game because we were out of so many games. But with both he and Bono running, our whole offense looks different.
Regarding your comments about this team having a predominent Latin flavor...well...duh! Yes, you are an incorrigible liberal and not prejudiced. I am a died in the wool conservative libertarian. In my opinion, a person can think whatever he wants as long as he doesn't try to preach it to others and this country would be a lot better off if political correctness didn't exist.

laurelbowie

Stan M,
Libertarian? That ain't one of them dang hippies, is it?

laurelbowie

Never mind. Now it hits me. You're one of them people keeps track of all the books and keeps 'em neat on the shelves.

Stan M

My take on the Lee aquisition:
It is a 3 month rental for Lee will return to the AL as a DH next year. He is not a savior but an obvious upgrade in our lineup. His defense will be a detriment but he is still worth the gamble. I wasn't thrilled in losing Dominguez. He has just started to hit well.

For years our Marlins have been a young team with untapped potential. Not so any more. Team's average age is a little over 29 and the Marlins as a team are in the highest third regarding age. Hard to believe, isn't it? In the next two years, only Yelich and remotely possible Ozuna could crack our starting lineup. However, Buck will certainly not be resigned after next year so one of our young catchers could become a factor if a trade isn't made. Fernanzez and Conley are two young pitchers with tremendous potential, probably for late 2014 or early 2015. What I'm trying to say is that there is little possibility of a massive turnover from within. So, barring future free agent signings, what you see is what you get and our window of opportunity will decend as Washingtons ascends. They and the Mets are now the young teams with a promising future with the Braves and Marlins as question marks. Only the Phillies ahould be future pushovers.And our primary eggs are in the basket of two potential cripples in LoMo and Stanton.

Stan M

LB, John Stossel is my hero!

laurelbowie

Stan M,
I knew John Stossel 40 years ago when he worked for KGW-TV in Portland and I was a reporter for the Oregon Journal. I was better looking than he was then, and I'm better looking now.

Baseball Stew

How do you explain the speedy Bonifacio having only 1 double and 3 triples,0HR's in 170 plate appearances? Easy. He's got no power and is mediocre slap hitter that strikes out twice as much as he walks. His stolen bases are useless, unless you can hit w/RISP, which the Marlins at #26 in MLB, cannot. Strictly a utility player, slightly better than Amezega, that can keep things loose on the bench with his clown act lo viste. His defense sabermetrics are below average too. Bench player. Period.

Baseball Stew

Marlins catch a huge break with Yadier Molina missing series...placed on bereavement list ..

Mrs Paul

Fishsticks need all the breaks they can get when they play above .500 teams, facing the back end of their rotation.

Leo Orestes Barberie

Stan Now I'm a little sad. I thought Buck signe a 2 year deal. He will really be here next year? I remember how you hated that deal from the beginning. Since I watch Tiger games as well I'm almost positive he played well against them. Maybe my memory is being distorted the pain of soon no longer having Larry "chipper" Jones to pick on. From what I have been told it was some crazy times when some of the Braves passed through Greenville.

Some people still don't get what June did to the Marlins.The Nats are 48-32. They have 82 left. Let's assume they reverse start and go 36-46 to finish---With THAT team and that staff and bullpen--that gives them 84 wins. To win 84 the Marlins must finish 8 over .500 at 44-36. 6 teams have played 8 or more(only N.Y., Texas and Nats have played really well) over .500 to start the season. The Marlins only chance is the Wild Card---and I've been so disgusted I didn't realize they were as close--BUT it's still 3 pretty good teams to catch(BUT then again in actuality they must only catch 2 of them), Anyway the BS(Blown Saves) have totally derailed what could have been a good start in spite of less than expected performances.

I really did not take the Lee trade seriously as long as they insist on running Buck out there. You can't have a catcher hitting like a 1950's utility shortstop(Willie Miranda, anyone??)in 2012. There really are "replacement value" catchers out there. I'm telling you the Tigers are desperate about 2B and Infante WOULD bring 2 young players. The people might not like it at first, But I'm telling you if they could get Rob Brantley he WILL start next year--check him at Toledo--and a young left handed pitcher who could be up by end of the year(They have 2) that would be a good deal. The Tigers would have contemplated trading Avila because Brantley is so good,however< Papa Avila is highly placed. Boni can go back to 2B where he belongs and we will have the toughest piece to find--a defensive catcher who can HIT and throw. Come to think of it, Tigers probably don't make the deal. Well, they can propose it.

Leo Orestes Barberie

In fact anything at all like Tyler Clippard's performance in Washington for probably about 800,000 a year(Is that 8..2 million less than********??) and Miami is at 45-37. And I'm not saying I expected Mariano Riviera,however,Gregg would have been nice. Did i just say that???????????

Beinfart

If Beinfest tries again to match wits in a trade with Dave Dombrowski..he better leave his wallet at home...Dealin Dave and Al Avila will pick him clean again,just like the Cabrera trade.

Leo Orestes Barberie

Stan, One thing I will go to the mat with you over is this Kyle Skipworth thing. I've seen him play from Greenville to Knoxville to Asheville to points in between and the young man CAN'T hit. He will NEVER hit. It was a horrific pick that early in the Draft. The kid looks like an athlete but that is what The All Airline Terminal team is for. I really wish you could see this Brantly so this tolerance for Skipworth would abate.

Beinfart

Skipworth = Worthshit

Leo Orestes Barberie

I just realized how long it would take some of these people to turn out a "Lou" post. I now get why they just say "Lou is an old dinosaur" and then put my name up. I usually agree with my wife on 98% of things but her aggravation with this stuff is really silly. Stan,Laurel, Flags,Alex,Glags,Samson ALLof you--Help me explain this is a GAME written by anonymous names and NOBODY(not that I would care) believes the name anyway, all they can do is recognize the style.

I actually went on the Atlanta Journal Constitution Braves Blog and posted Public Service Announcements about importance of Prostate Screenings after my surgery in 09. Of course many soon became Lou the Pee Boy and other fun appelations, but I was trying to help people; I will keep doing that.

By the way, get your PSA checked along with physical exam. This is contrary to what you may hear, BUT you will NEVER hear a Urologist/Oncologist tell you to skip it.

flagstafffishfan

Rob Brantly - Bats Left and throws right for Toledo. There are so few catchers out there this could be an interesting trade. 6'2" 205 Here's the bio - Selected by the Detroit Tigers in the third round of the 2010 First-Year Player Draft out of the University of California-Riverside. ... Was ranked the Tigers' No. 16 prospect by MLB.com entering the 2012 season. ... Saw action in 15 games with Salt River in the Arizona Fall League following the season, batting .388 with five doubles and seven RBIs. ... Compiled a season-best 16-game hitting streak July 23-August 14, 2010, batting .355 ... Selected by the Washington Nationals in the 46th round of the June 2008 draft out of Chaparral (Ariz.) High School but did not sign.

laurelbowie

Baseball Stew makes the observation that Bonifacio is a slap hitter and I think most of us know that. But with his speed, he quickly turned 20 of his singles and walks into "doubles," which means he doesn't have to be a slugger to do damage. I would bet that opposing pitchers would stand and applaud the notion of keeping him out of the starting lineup, because the simple fact is, the Marlins were a better, and more exciting, team with him there.
Seems to me the Marlins had a couple of pretty good slap hitters in the lineup in '03 and it didn't hurt them much.

Leo Orestes Barberie

Laurel, I'm reading the book about Ben Bradlee by the guy he granted access to and I was shocked to see the word is spelled "lede" instead of "lead", nobody tells me anything.

Leo Orestes Barberie

Flags, Thanks,Buddy.

Beinfart

Opposing pitchers stand and applaud when Bonifacio is in the line-up because they know he's a hacker that will swing at bad pitches, is no power threat,doesnt take walks and is a lifetime .269 hitter with a .331OBP and a miniscule .345 SLG. Unlike ex-Marlins Pierre and Castillo, Bonifacio is not smart enough to cut down on his K's,take his walks, and hit the ball on the ground consistantly for an over .300 avg.like they did.

Leo Orestes Barberie

Dear Bein, Do you think those numbers may be ascendent at this point in his career? I like him as a 2B with his bat but not as a CF. Of course I also don't like Petersen, Coghlin, Mattison,etc, with the obvious exception of Ruggiano. The Tiger scouts I know have always liked Ruggiano. We NEED Ozuna to make it.

Leo Orestes Barberie

C'mon, I need some help from you old people. Tell my wife that it is actually humorous to read in the Sentinel--"Lou %^$%^$" signed Lou.

Honey, As long as they are spelling your name right.

Leo Orestes Barberie

C'mon Laurel, You're an old Stop the Presses guy, why is it spelled "lede", that is crazy!!

laurelbowie

LOB,
I'm not sure whether you were asking me or whether you know this, but journalists traditionally spelled the opening graf of a story "lede" to distinguish it from lead (the metal). It wasn't that long ago that type was made of lead and was often referred to as lead, so the intentional misspelling began as a way to avoid confusion.

Leo Orestes Barberie

Thank You!! I did not know. Very good book about Bradlee.

New Blog Story up.

Beinfart

Leo..thru the 1st 30games of the season til May 8th ,Boni was a rally killer batting second at .233. Ozzie was forced to move him down to 7th ,where he got hot for 9 games,raising his avg to .268 before he got hurt. The only reason Boni was starting in CF was due to the poor play of every other CFer in the Marlins org. Doesnt say much. Would take Infante blindfolded over Boni ,starting at 2B. Boni is a versatile bench player,not much more over the full season.

Stan M

Beinfart,
Last year the TV announcers had a defensive stat head on. I'm not saying that I agree, but he said that Bono was the best defensive Marlin at any position he played. Just the opinion from a differennt source. How do you know that he is inferior to Infante at 2B? How many games has he played there, and how many of them did you see to arrive at such a generalization. For the record, most experts agree that 26 is the most common break out year, especially for players who have been in the majors for a time. It is completely unrealistic to factor in Bono's early stats and compare them to the player he is now. Last year his OBP was one of best in the league. I will grant that he is an undiscliplined hitter as you say. I would blame Ozzie for hitting him second in the order; a place that probably requires your most discliplined hitter. It was my hope that he would lead off and Reyes hit second and I said that more than once on this blog. Now it appears that 7th fits him perfectly and he was a definite asset to this team while batting there. Regarding CF, I believe that the stat heads rate him slightly above average but am not sure and could be wrong. Have you ever seen him overthrow a cutoff man? Throw to the wrong base? Take poor routes to the ball? Show that his speed is not an asset in CF? Display a below average arm? It isn't a cannon, but it isn't awful either. Regarding swinging at bad pitches. Did his walk rate go up significantly last year? You are entitled to your opinion. It is not based on any facts; nor is mine. However, I believe that he is an entirely different player over the past two years. I also think that the facts bear this out.

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