Tit for tat: Hanley Ramirez pokes back at David Samson

      In a Q&A interview with MLB.com, Marlins president David Samson said one of the reasons that infielder Hanley Ramirez was traded in July was because the team wasn't winning with him. Actually, Samson's comments were mild compared to the explanation that was given to me by another front office exec just after the deal was made. He said the team's higher-ups had decided that Ramirez was "a loser," implying that NO team could win as long as he was on it.

      Well, Samson's comments reached Ramirez, who fired off a barb of his own: "Now are they winning without me?"

      Ramirez might have added for extra measure that, without him, the Marlins now have a third base problem, one they will try to to address during the offseason. But he didn't. As Bill Shaikin points out in this Los Angeles Times notebook. the Dodgers' winning percentage has declined since Ramirez's arrival -- "from winning percentages of .541 before and .467 after" -- even though his raw offensive numbers have improved a shade.

Comments

[Camera Mike]

All I can say is I'm thankful I'm not related to either Hanley or Samson.

[bob]

Hanley can suck it.

[bob]

Eovaldi better step it up, Turner is making him look like Heath Bell.

[alice]

Heath Bell season was not his typical year. I think if
given another year he'll have the incentive to prove everybody wrong.

Hanley's problem was that he realized he was not "the man" for the Marlins, Giancarlo Stanton was.And as you all know Diva's like to scream and pout. Lets see how happy he'll be when he is back to playing third
when the Dodgers shortstop gets back. Won't be long before we start hearing about Dodger Divas Hanley and Beckett.

[alice]

QUESTION??????

UPON SEASON ENDING REVIEW,

CAN LORIA DEMOTE HIMSELF? hummmmm.....

[K-town Marlin]

The sincere heartfelt words of Hanley Ramirez and those of David Samson, hum .......

[cantstandeither]

Samson has been trying to get poked by Hanley for 6 yrs.

[lbj]

The gang on MLB.TV tonight (Harold Reynolds, Chris Rose) insisting that the Marlins kicked Tiger butt in landing Brantly and Turner for Sanchez and Infante. Just reporting what they said.

[1968]

hey , hey , lbj ,how many kids did U kill today...

[spitballer]

I agree with Bob...the Eovaldi trade is looking like a bad one. This guy should or will be spending time in NOLA next year.

[BHD2801]

Hanley hit .250 for the Marlins and is hitting about that for the Dodgers. It won't be long before the Dodgers catch on to Hanley's lazy, primadona ways, and start shopping him. Hanley, I can see that you and your .250 avg. is really helping the Dodgers....NOT!!

[lbj]

Hey '68...
Kill a commie for mommy, you Fonda-loving hippie freak!

[JUAN YANES]

RAMIREZ AND STANTON HAD BEEN HURTING FOR MISTAKES DONE FOR UNMATURE COACHES; EXAMPLE: RAMIREZ WAS PENCIL # 3 IN LINE-UP A LOT OF GAMES SINCE YEAR 2009 FOR FORMER MARLINS COACH FREDDY GONZALEZ, IT WAS SUCCESFUL FOR A WHILE BUT NOT FOR ALL THE TIME, SOON HE FELL IN SLUMP MAINLY WITH RUNNER IN SCORING POSITION, NEVERTHELESS HE CONTINUED AS #3 INSTEAD OF BE BACK TO HIS OWN PLACE LEADOF WHERE HE FEEL MORE CONFORTABLE. ABOUT STANTON, WHY HURRY WITH HIM, HE IS STILL IN DEVELOPMENT AND UNMATURE TO BE PENCIL # 4 IN MARLINS LINEUP HAVING CARLOS LEE WHO IS DEGREE IN THIS SPOT. STANTON NEED LEARN MUCH MORE FOR NOW AND PENCIL HIM AS # 6 WILL BE BETTER FOR HIS OWN CONFIDENCE, BECAUSE HE HAS POWER BUT LOW ACKNOWLEDGES OF THE STRIKE ZONE

[JUAN YANES]

I THINK THE MARLINS HAVE A GOOD TEAM FOR BE CONTENDER BUT THE COACHES MUST IMPROVE THEIR PERFORMANCE. I NOTICE THEY FAIL TO MUCH IN EVERY GAME, MAINLY WHEN I COMPARE WITH OTHERS COACHES AS DAVEY JHONSON, BOCHY, DUSTY BAKER, AND SO FORTH.

[Stan M]

I read somewhere that the Dodger's winning percentage was slightly higher before they got Hanley. In other words, the team is doing slightly more poorly since they got him. Good!

Spitballer, I have to respectfully disagree with you. I don't know what your feelings were at the time, but some, myself included, felt that the team improved simply by dumping Hanley and anything we got was a bonus. This probably defies most opinions, but while watching both Eovaldi and Turner on TV, it looks to me that Eovaldi actually has the better raw "stuff". He is far less advanced than Turner, but I think he just might have the higher upside. I think both trades were necessary and productive.

[1968]

hey lbj...Fonda-loving hippie freak is an oxymoron, moron....

[LOU]

A Mental Midget

AND

A Legitimate Midget

[LOU]

The Marlins definitely won the trade with the Tigers. We could make the deal a winner more quickly by just dumping Buck as soon as possible. Now IF we continue to Richard around with Buck again next year that will only serve to slow Brantly's development. MLB(ALLof MLB) knows that Buck is a STIFF and this should be over. Turner appears to have lost a little zip on his fastball but many times a young pitcher will get that back. He may have pitched a little too much early. Don't believe he is hurt but he just may have not been ready. That is why I see no problem with babying him the rest of the year. I'm glad that you guys remain optimistic about Evoldi,however, I get the distinct feeling this will be entirely an addition by subtraction move.

Has anyone else that you can recall fallen so quickly out of the elite as Hanley??

[Chris]

Maybe Juan should be the manager of the Marlins....even in his broken English he dissects the Marlins play better than most managers!

[Stan M]

How about Jason Bay, Lou? Todd Helton of Colorado (age?); Soriano of the Cubs; and in yesteryear, Davis of Baltimore (1B?) and that stiff the Mets got from the Reds whose name escapes me. There are a ton of pitchers.

[Flav C.]

Stan, just FYI (i'm sure you already know)

The Grasshoppers did not win the SAL Title this year, but Brent Keys won the batting title, with a .335 bat avg throughout the season. I was reading an interesting article on how he mastered the 0-2 pitches, by simply shortening his swing and trying to make contact. This kid was a very tough out: Strikeout percentage around 12%.
The only bad thing is that the OF is getting crowded with Stanton, Ozuna, Yelich, etc... Let's see what happens.

[mistergator]

Lou...Didn't you say you were going to Tenn-Fla?

[Smells like dead Fish]

it's a good thing OF is crowded...Marlins are so bad they should be allowed to play with an extra outfielder,like in softball.

[LOU]

Sold the tickets--Too many drunks(On both sides), I'm getting old!!

[Flav C.]

Anibal had 9 starts as a Detroit Tigers.
- In 6 of those he went at least 6 innings and never gave up more than 3 Earned runs.
- In his last 5 games, his ERA has been 1.89.
- In September, he had 3 starts with a 2.08 ERA.
- 2 of his losses occurred because Detroit could not score against the almighty Kansas City on a 0-1 loss, and against the Angels, he pitched 7 innings of 3 earned runs and Detroit could not score more than 2 runs.

These are solid numbers for a #3 or #4 in a good rotation, like the Tigers.

Shouldn't the Tigers fans should be upset with Porcello, who lost all his last 6 starts, with an ERA close to 5 during this stretch?

Am I missing something here?

[Stan M]

Flav, I too had noticed that Anibel had stopped embarassing himself some time ago, but not with your excellent statistical proof. He's a guy I really hope does well.

LB, Grienke pitched 8 great innings last night and then was pulled for the "closer" who blew the game.

A while back someone wondered whether or not Ruggiano could play 3rd base. Wouldn't that be nice.

I know that both are doing well, but somehow I feel that both Ruggiano and Reyes are hitting out of position and could do even better if flip flopped.

[Golden Needle]

I'm a Dodgers' fanatic living in South Florida over 20 years. Following the Marlins daily & attending games i can say Hanley's problem is laziness. even with a big pay check he isn't willing to work hard... In LA, surrounded by real stars, he'll fly under the radar if the team is winning, & they should. Hanley is a bum at heart.

[Lou]

I know this is a baseball blog, humor this one transgression, it was my 65th birthday yesterday. Is there anything better than watching 100,000 people, with 1 tooth among them, filing out of Neyland Stadium and preparing to get into their aging RV's and traverse the backwoods roads to their mobile homes in the hollers of Loretti(Yes, I spelled wrong) Lynn?

By the way, nice crowd yesterday for the "scrimmage" with Bethune Cookman. Was Lynn University busy??

[Bob]

Can the Marlins please, please, PLEASE move the fences in next season?

PLEASE?!

[miami politicians]

No. Loria wants the extra room in the OF for tractor pulls, concerts,the circus,and all other events that will line his pockets,and ours.

[Dottie]

At least he can deliver RBIs with the Dodgers. I guess he couldn't be bothered with the Marlins.