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Marlins select center fielder, LHP in Rule 5 Draft

    NASHVILLE -- Rule 5 draft picks are long shots to begin with. But if the Marlins' selection of outfielder Alfredo Silverio pans out, it'll be one of the comeback stories of the year.

    SilverioSilverio, a 25-year-old product of the Dominican Republic and Dodgers farm system, was seriously injured in an auto accident last January and did not play at all in 2012. Silverio suffered back, shoulder, elbow and neck injuries and dealt with concussion symptoms weeks after the accident. Marlins president of baseball operations Larry Beinfest said Silverio also required Tommy John surgery due to the accident.

    But Silverio had a breakout year at Double A Chattanooga in 2011 and the Marlins felt he was worth the gamble in the Rule 5, selecting him with the sixth overall pick. Silverio hit .306 with 16 home runs and 85 RBI for the Dodgers' Double A farm club in '11 and also hit a home run in that year's Futures Game.

    "The outfielder is an interesting case in that he had a big year in 2011 in Double A and was (then) in a very bad car accident," Beinfest said. "He was really hurt, banged up, missed the whole year. But we thought based on what we saw in 2011 and based on whatever information that we could get, that it was a reasonable risk to bring him in. We really like him in center field. If he's not completely healthy, we understand that as well."

     Beinfest said the team envisions Silverio as a center fielder. But, due to his recovery from Tommy John surgery, he won't resume throwing until next month. The Marlins would likely start him out on the disabled list, and it could be mid-season before he is ready to play.

     Under Rule 5 rules, the Marlins are paying the Dodgers $50,000 to take Silverio. If Silverio doesn't remain on the 25-man roster for the entire season once activated, he would be returned to the Dodgers and the Marlins would receive back half of the money.

     "We anticipate he may not be ready to go in spring training," Beinfest said. "We know that up front. We may have to carry him on the DL for a while. But we want to take a look at this kid. We think there's a lot of upside. And he performed at 23, he was awesome in Double A." Lara

      The Marlins made one other selection in Thursday's draft, taking left-handed pitcher Braulio Lara with their second pick. Lara, 23, went 6-10 with a 5.71 ERA last season at Charlotte, the High-A affiliate of the Rays. Beinfest said Lara would be considered for a bullpen role.

      "Big arm, throws strikes," Beinfest said. "We think we may have something. You take a chance on a lefty. The one thing on him, he only pitched into High A, so it could be a little bit of a reach, but we think it's a good opportunity. We'll take a look."

       Lara features a high-90s fastball, slider and change.

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     The Rule  5 Draft was the last official order of business at the Winter Meetings but the Marlins aren't done doing business. They're still on the hunt for a third baseman.

     "We have some offers out (to free agents)," Beinfest said. "And we have a couple of trade ideas. We would like to do it sooner rather than later. We'd like to at least have that comfort level that we have some competition over there."

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cynthia o

Cody Ross to the DBacks for $26 mil. Isn't that the little feller the Marlins gave away for nothing?

Stan M

You must mean the little fella who played hard, played CF and always seemed to get a great jump on the ball, and was a fan favorite. Also a little fella who was deemed too expensive for the Marlins so he went to SF where they loved him and Boston . But of course, they were second class teams, not top notch like Miami. Damn Loria, how that man has hurt thousands upon thousands of fans and even denigrated a city by making its officials look foolish.

Stan M

Answer man,
Could you please copy and paste Cote's column on Samson. I tried and couldn't find it.

not the answer but trying

BLOG EXCLUSIVE!: WHY MARLINS' SAMSON NO LONGER ON 790 THE TICKET: The owner stepped in. Neither Marlins president David Samson nor 790 The Ticket wanted to end Samson's weekly show with Dan Le Batard in which Samson discussed movies along with baseball, but owner Jeffrey Loria didn't like the segment and finally exerted his authority. Add this to the view of Loria as a micro-manager to a fault. Another example: His hands-on editing of Showtime's The Franchise series.
Stan...that's all there is.

Stan M

Thank you, that's enough. The guy is a lovable little teddy bear, that's for sure.

Cynthia,
I think I know why your post was deleted a couple of days ago. If you put up something long, the blog asks you to copy blurred letters to keep away the sponsons. It happened to me once, too. I clicked "post" before I looked below for the extra entry.

Lou

Laurel, just called and asked me what was going on with the blog. He said he needed a break with all the other things going on in the world. I told him to come back and give it a good read and engage in some catch up. told him his remarks would be much appreciated.

The baseball talk since I last posted on Monday night actually has exceeded my expectations(LOW!!!) so I have stayed away and let you guys(girl) talk baseball in peace. You all have a Happy Holidays and the best for the New Year.

laurelbowie

Wow! David Samson discussing movies with Dan LeBatard? Isn't that a little like Paris Hilton discussing the Large Hadron Collider with Jessica Simpson?
As Lou said above, I've been here in Oregon trying to deal with some family issues and thought that avoiding all news that smelled of Fish might make life seem a little rosier. Didn't work, so now I'm trying to catch up on the latest Marlins comings and goings (mostly goings, from what I've read).
I see that not much has changed here on Fish Bytes. Loria has refined his Ebeneezer impression just in time for Christmas, we've got a new lady posting who's smarter than some of us hairy-legged boys, and Lou and Stan M seem to have reached round 11 with no standing eight counts thus far.
Gorkys is tearing them up in winter ball. If he hits a little in Spring Training, Redmond could platoon him with JP, maybe moving Ruggiano to left and using Gorkys' speed in center when he's in the lineup.
Our old friend Pierre has always stayed in shape, but at his age, his legs would probably appreciate some regular days off. Just a thought.
I've sent a letter to Loria outlining in detail my suggestions for next season but have received no response so far. Come to think of it, my check still hasn't arrived from Nigeria, either.

Stan M

LB,
You can expect no response from Loria until he has completed the implimentations that I insisted upon. This could take some time for the idea of self immolation if often not immediately accepted. It is nice to have you back...but Gorkys...actually playing on the team? How long have you been hibernating in an obscure state? Is it really a state? It can't be for there is no ML team there. 54-40 or fight and all that stuff. Please reflect upon any past indiscretions and the mysteries of the rosary before suggesting such heresy.
Please post again and often, but sin thee not!

richiej

I guess the economy in San Francisco, Boston, and now Arizona, is much different than in South Florida. Cody Ross is reported to be going to the Diamondbacks, 3 years for $26 Million. The Marlins let him go for $000.00 in 2010. Jackasses.

Lou

Laurel, Nice to see you back. I'll give you a call tomorrow and we can discuss the new blog's format. You have the ability to nueutralize my reprobate behavior which borders on the recalcitrant. Be prepared tomorrow as I'm going to ask you--sorry, know this isn't baseball--to give me your opinion as to whether it was possible that a very wise group of men, who sadly believed in slavery, subjugation of women and slaughter of tribes to assist in westward expansion, just may have not foreseen the advent of the advancement of armament that just may have caused them to temper their wording if they had been preiscent. Well, I belive they saw the Masterpiece as a living document and one they expected would need to be reinterpreted over the next 200 to 1,000 years or so. But maybe they did expect everyone to forever have a musket that it took 60 seconds to load. The way you always talk about your age maybe you were right there with Benjamin Rush and the others. PS----Stay away from Florida for as long as possible. Why don't you try calling Clark and getting this non-baseball content removed, you know how OCD--the only DSM designation I'll admit to---I become once I get started.

laurelbowie

Stan M,
Loria, being an artiste, clearly thought you meant self-emulation.
Also, I hope you're not denigrating the skills of Gorkys Hernandez. He's hitting .359 for Caribes de Anzoategui in the Venezuelan League this winter, and I think he's going to be the Marlins' most improved player in 2013. In fact, I'll bet you $1.25 million that he hits more than .275 and steal 20 bases next year. (I just checked my wallet. Let's make that a buck.)
Call Oregon obscure if you must — just don't call it Ory-GONE. The natives say only effete Eastern snobs call it Ory-GONE.

Lou

What was the reason for the Nigerian check? I've forgotten. Pleasure to talk with you on the board again. I just hope that some of the older bloggers will verify you should not be held guilty by association with the enfant terrible-----well, not such an enfant anymore.

laurelbowie

Lou,
It's very complicated and I'm not really supposed to talk about it. But suffice it to say that this persecuted Nigerian prince got in touch with me out of the blue and offered me the opportunity of a lifetime. I sent him a mere $3,000 and in return he's going to send me millions. I guess with the Christmas rush and everything, the money order he sent me just got hung up in the mail.

laurelbowie

Lou,
Benjamin Rush was a dear friend and strongly opposed slavery.

Stan M

Just for the record, a trained British regular with a Brown Bess could fire 3 rounds per minute. It is one of the major reasons that Wellington defeated Napoleon and that the British were supreme for many decades when the flintlock was the weapon of choice and necessity. Perhaps a long rifle would take a minute, but not a smooth bore. The regulars of other nations could fire 2 rounds per minute but seldome were they trained well enough to fire 3.

LB, If on the team this year, and I dearly hope he is not, Gorkys will soon be led by his teammates to the Temple of Mediocrity that Loria has erected in left CF and sacrificed within its waters as the dolphins and flamingos spin in wonderment. Should Gorkys remain submerged, it will show that I was wrong and you are correct in your assessment. However, should he rise to the surface, all will realize his lack of talent and he will be condemmed to the open jaws of AAA ball where he will remain until another team claims him. Should this not happen, the results will be catastrophic and he could possibly return to the Marlins, that is, if he is still earning the minimum wage allowed.

Flav C.

Gorkys is out of options. If he doesn't make the team on ST, he is done.

Stan M

Here is this year's HOF ballot:

Jack Morris
Jeff Bagwell
Lee Smith
Tim Raines
Alan Trammell
Edgar Martínez
Fred McGriff
Larry Walker
Mark McGwire
Don Mattingly
Dale Murphy
Rafael Palmeiro
Bernie Williams
Sandy Alomar, Jr.
Craig Biggio
Barry Bonds
Jeff Cirillo
Royce Clayton
Roger Clemens
Jeff Conine
Steve Finley
Julio Franco
Shawn Green
Roberto Hernández
Ryan Klesko
Kenny Lofton
José Mesa
Mike Piazza
Reggie Sanders
Curt Schilling
Aaron Sele
Sammy Sosa
Mike Stanton
Todd Walker
David Wells
Rondell White
Woody Williams
My picks would be, in no specific order:
Shilling, Murphy, Biggio, Piazza, and Bagwell. I still have to think about Trammell and E. Martinez. Who would some of you pick?

Stan M

Does the name Bryan Price mean anything to you? It didn't to me until I read the article I've placed below. It touts him as the best pitching coach in the ML and the author sure backs up his opinion with an excellent argument. What bothers me is that I follow baseball pretty closely, and didn't know who the guy was.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/31673/the-best-pitching-coach-in-the-majors

Stan M

If I ever stop loving baseball, it won't be Loria or Lou Vales who drive me away. It will be something along the idea that Chipper Jones (whom I greatly admire, perhaps above all current players) can own a 23,000 sq. ft. mansion with all of 11 bathrooms, etc. for playing a game, and everyday fans like most of you and myself, can attend very few games because of the enormous expenses involved. And I'm not willing to say that we fans don't feel the effects of all of that TV money that is pouring into the sport. There are now so many commercials that one is tempted to turn off the volume. It wasn't lost on me that the first pitch of Marlin games is now sponsored. What will follow? Those short plugs must have some effect or they wouldn't be there, but I can't understand how they do a bit of good except for name recognition. And those spots have a tendency to turn me away from the products mentioned rather than the other way around. At what point is enough really too much?

laurelbowie

Stan M,
The Fish interviewed Bryan Price for the manager's job after firing Ozzie. But Price, being the wise man that he is, told them he didn't want the job — that he wanted to stick with a Major League team.

Stan M

LB, that is so hard to believe. What a darn shame. What set me off in the post above was a note that Chipper's mansion is for sale as his second divorce has been finalized. Something is wrong when the money isn't even really about the money anymore. Thank you for the pointer. Sorry if I differ about Gorkys. His attitude in trying to hit HRs with his physique and ball/strike judgement and his refusal to take any instruction turns me off completely. When he first arrived, I was enthused because of his speed. If he listened and learned it would be a different story, but I honsetly see no hope there. Be great I'm wrong but....

Lou

Look at this!!!! Total agreement!!!! When is enough enough? And for many of these clowns even "enough isn't enough" as they go through 60 million or so and are then bankrupt. Jack Clark was my favorite with Dykstra, Iverson and Spreewell in the mix. I wonder who will be the next big baseball player to go broke---hope it's A-Roid but Goldie Hawn's daughter would probably bail him out.

Lou

Laurel, If you get a chance take a picture of the old Municipal Stadium in Portland, maybe one of the old sports club as well. What was the name of the minor leaguer who ran through the right field wall--classic ESPN footage----while playing for your beloved Beavers? You know who my favorite Portland Beaver will always be.

laurelbowie

Lou,
That was Rodney McCray, who was actually playing for the Vancouver Canadians in a game against the Beavers in the early 1990s when he crashed through the fence in right center while chasing a fly ball. McCray went on to have an illustrious 14-game career in the Big Leagues. Even though he played for an opposing team, his highlight-reel moment endeared him to Portland fans, and the team later honored him with a Rodney McCray Bobblefence Night, handing out Bobblehead action figures that depicted him plowing through the fence on his way to blooper stardom. That portion of the outfield was christened McCray Alley.
The Beavers are no more, and the old Civic Stadium is now called Jeld-Wen Park. It's home to the Portland Timbers soccer team. How sad is that?
My favorite Beaver of all time is still second baseman Eddie "Spider" Basinski. Think mid-1950s.
My typing fingers are so tired I think I'll take a nap.

laurelbowie

I do have one question for Mr. M before taking my nap. If you were Gorkys, would you willingly take hitting instructions from Eduardo Perez? See? I knew you wouldn't. Now, if you want to increase that bet to a buck and a quarter, you're on. That's how confident I am that Gorkys is no Yorkie.

Stan M

LB, you make an excellent point. However, we must remember that ol'Gorkys wasn't on the Marlins for all of his previous non-training. Please understand, LB, I hope I'm wrong. Good lord, Lou, we can agree on something! I absolutely loved Dykstra when he was a Met. To my knowledge, he is the only white player to ever steal 100 bases in organized ball. He did it in A ball. It was the same team and same year that Gooden went crazy and graduated right to the ML. I'm sure that there was more to Dykstra's trade than we'll ever know. To me, he was a Cody Ross but with more talent. Now it is better if we don't even talk about him. What a darn shame.

A different perspective from a different time. Carl Erskine tells about a neighboring Jewish deli owner who insisted upon giving him a bag of groceries whenever he was going to start a game. It was a better time in many ways. To bleed the fans for superfluous money that can never be spent in a generation simply stinks in my opinion. It would be interesting to study the next generation. Many will be coming from an enviroment of priviledge but largely without any accompanying feelings of duty or obligation, never mind even a semblance of culture. Watch out America!

Lou

Dearest Stan, Laurel's voice always has a soothing effect on any resentment I'm harboring towards anyone. After speaking to LB I'm ALMOST sure I could sit down for dinner with David Samson and not mention his 5'3" stature nor his other "attributes". Once you hear Laurel's soothing tones it makes you feel as if you have dismissed the advice of Christmas Future if you continue to nourish ill will. He should have been the voice over for Jimmy Stewart in all those Christmas movies.

laurelbowie

Thanks, Lou. I hope you don't mind if I share your compliment with my brother. He insists my less-than-refined laughter scares away all the salmon. Truth is, he's not exactly the Fish Whisperer himself.
To all my friends and fellow bloggers: Have a merry Christmas, a happy Hannukah (belated), a cheery Pancha Ganapati or whatever brings you peace.

juanv

merry christmas to all and the marlins signed john main sure beats pavano.

rbleigh

Dang you JuanV, you beat me to the punch. The Fish sign Maine who hasn't pitched in the majors since 2010, #MoreDumpsterDiving. How many pitchers are they going to throw against the wall & see what sticks?

LB and Lou to continue on the Portland line, I believe Hank Paulson's son either last owned the Beavers (got to see the stadium a few years ago after running the Portland Marathon-- that's right Lou, you're not the only runner) or is the current Timbers owner.

I'm into this whole hashtag thing right now so... #TradeStantonAndNolascoNow

laurelbowie

rbleigh,
You're right on both counts. Merritt Paulson was the Beavers last owner and is now majority owner of the Timbers. His old man Henry owned a 20 percent stake in the Timbers last time I checked. I will never be a soccer fan until they start awarding 6 or 7 points per goal so there'll be a little more scoring, you know?
BTW, I ran to the bathroom the other night. So I guess I'm more of a sprinter than a marathoner.
Is it cold up there on the Sound?

Dionysus Thelxinoe

Happy holidays to everyone on the planet, with the exception of that fraud Jeffrey Lurid.

Lou

As many have pointed out I've said this before, but this time with Laurel as my moral compass( I respect him so much I don't want to disappoint him), I will greatly attempt to temper my comments and make every effort to not refer to anyone in a pejorative manner with the exception of Loria, Samson and Beinfest. I will talk baseball and will realize when I'm being provoked by a hit and runner. Speaking to Laurel is really like a visit to Lourdes. I will not be the next Bernadette,however, I should be a significant improvement. Happy Holidays to all with the exception, of course, of the Triumvirate of Deceit.

juanv

woo hoo!!! no more matt diaz in our division.

Stan M

There is nothing going on here, so here is a baseball question for anyone to jump on:

ESPN has a possible trade idea of Stanton and Nolasco to Texas for Profer, Olt and Martin Perez.
Some background: These three are rated the 3 best prospects in the Ranger's system. In Keith Law's revised top 50 prospects, Profer is #1, Olt is #46. To compare with some of our present prospects, Yelich is #12, Turner #37, Marisnick #32, and Fernandez #42 (everyone now realizes this is too low)

Would I make the deal. First I don't think we're getting enough if Nolasco is included. I'd try to sign Stanton long term right now, even overpaying if necessary. If he refused, then yes I'd make the trade because Stanton would be gone soon anyway and his value is now at its peak.

Stan M

Here is ESPN' "expets" rating of the 125 best players ever. There is all sorts of room for controversy included. As I said several days ago, I can't understand Mantle at #9 over such players as Honus Wagner, Walter Johnson and Lou Gehrig who are just below him. Also couldn't understand Campanella at #125 while Berra is rated in the 50s.

Lou, you are old enough to comment on the Campy-Berra thing. What do you have to say about this or any other rankings for that matter? I would love to see others get involved in this if anyone is interested.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/feature/video/_/id/8652210/espn-hall-100-ranking-all-time-greatest-mlb-players

juanv

Stan the only way I would make this deal with nolasco it would be with joey gallo,jorge alfaro orluke jackson one of those three and either engle beltre or leonys martin thrown in the trade. gallo,alfaro,and jackson would be for the long road ahead to keep the farm replenished, martin and beltre could be great for the near future aditions to the roster when petersens and cogs options are up and olt,perez ,and profar would start this season. maybe martin to

juanv

here is a trade that would make some sense how about mathis to the yankees for some prospects and go out and sign a back up catcher for less.

the Warden

Will Loria sign Urbina if Uggie promises to stay away from matches,gasoline and machete's ?

jailhouse Rock

Loria needs Urbina as a bodyguard , more than a closer.

Lou

Stan, I do believe they must trade Stanton as soon as possible. The water has been too muddied for Mike to concentrate or maybe even play well here. I would make that deal with the Rangers AFTER first informing every team in the AL that Stanton will go to the Rangers for that package and probably turn them into THE team in the AL for next 3 years. I would try to set up some kind of a bidding war and I would NOT wait because as DC has demonstrated things will not get better if we just move something down the road 6 months. I don't really care about Nolasco that much as I believe he too often finds a way to lose even when he has support.


Sorry. I have not followed the Yogi-Roy discussion. I saw Yogi play a lot and I loved the way he not only played and hit as a catcher but how he was able to become a very adequate left fielder. Even though Yankee Stadium had the Porch, it was the only thing that it had over Ebbitts Field which was just a jokew as far as dimensions. I actually liked Yogi more in every single aspect of the game--and especially in light of how it is judged now by the new measurements.

Lou

Stan, I'm into reading Nate Silver's, the statistical and election guru, new book for the THIRD time. It is that fascinating and I just keep rereading to learn every nuance. The 3rd chapter is on baseball(also sections on poker and weather forecasting predictions and forecasts) and it is brilliant as is every chapter in the book. I found out I think like a "fox" but behave like a "hedgehog", the book will explain. Just read the baseball chapter in a Barnes and Nobles someday while enjoying an expresso or mocha something.

Lou

Sorry. The book is titled "The Signal and the Noise." I have 5 times put down Meacham's book on Jefferson to go back and read some more Silver.

Stan M

Lou, my gripe about Berra-Campanella isn't that Berra was selected in the 50s all time. He was a fine player who unfortunately looked like a dwarf out of Snow White or something and that hurt him to some extent. My gripe is that Campanella should have been rated very close to Berra; whether a little higher or lower wouldn't matter. But if Berra is in the top 50s, Campy sure isn't 125, that's for sure. Both won 3 MVPs, Campy has all time percentage for throwing out base stealers, Campy had more power, Berra had a much longer career. As with Jackie Robinson, Campanella left his prime in the Negro leagues where he started as a 16 YO. I disagree with you about Berra becoming a good LFer. He played there...period. How about Mantle rated #9 all time? You were old enough to see him. Were you old enough to see these players, LB?

laurelbowie

Trying to list the greatest baseball players of all time would be a fool's errand for me, because I don't even know what that means. Stats surely have to be a part of it, but they're more of a necessary nuisance, like flies buzzing around my cotton candy. I know I've never once gone to a baseball game to see a statistic.
To me, it would be more interesting to compile a list of the players you would be most excited to see play in one of the nation's grand old ballparks on a lazy summer afternoon. My list (and I'm reserving the right to change my mind at the slightest whim) would be (1) Willie Mays (2) Joe DiMaggio (3) Bob Feller (4) Babe Ruth (5) Dizzy Dean (6) Stan Musial (7) Sandy Koufax (8) Jackie Robinson (9) Luis Aparicio and (10) Minnie Minoso.
And Mark Fydrich and that Marlin reliever who hit himself in the nuts between pitches would have to be in the mix somewhere just for comic relief.
Anybody else have a list?

spitballer

Stan.....the espn wish trade, it makes no sense. These espn guys just want to see Stanton on a competitive team so they can feature him & get ratings for their televised games. These guys they mention from the rangers...if the trade was made, then speculation would begin on when the marlins would trade them.
Anyways...it is in Stanton's best interest to produce at a high level...his future paycheck depends on it.

laurelbowie

Yogi vs. Campanelli — that's a perfect example of why an all-time greatest list is subjective nonsense. It's like Willie Nelson vs. Merle Haggard, or quantum loop gravity vs. string theory. Choose your poison and defend it to the death. You could actually defend putting both of them in the top 30 or so, depending on your definition of "great."
Stan M,
I will agree that making Yogi 50th on your list and Campy 125th is ridiculous.
And something else that's on my mind: I keep reading how revealing a player's WAR numbers are. Maybe somebody can explain to this old coot what all the excitement is about. Wouldn't your WAR numbers depend a lot on who your replacement is? I know I could research it myself, but all that reading makes my lips tired.

Lou

laurel, Great list. Very astute to add Minoso at 10. We must all realize that nobody,including Minnie, knows how old he was before he had opportunity to play.

I wanted to push Silver's book to you as well. I bought that book and the Jefferson book the same day-----And I love Jefferson---but I keep rereading Nate's book. It's fascinating. The section pertaining to local weather forecasts gave me insights on the level of dishonesty I had never contemplated. I buy so many books a year that I'm running out of room. I will read a book at Barners over a period of 6 days or so while I drink one of those silly coffee drinks that they serve at the attached Starbucks. I figure if I spend $6.00 bucks a day on coffee that entitles me to read the occasional book in a comfy chair. The new Balducci book is really good.

Really must disagree about not trading Stanton and SOON!!! And that Ranger package looks pretty good and I believe they can get more if they get other teams in the AL stepping up to keep Mike away from the Rangers. Even if Loria and Samson were not-----I have quit using the word starting with "I" in deference to Stan. Just select your own words-------Mike still wants to play in Los Angeles and that is where he will end up. Nothing is stopping the Dodgers from acquiring him via free agency and the Marlins will not contend before he is ready to depart. I guess I've had too good of luck with my alma mater in football and basketball and a pretty good few years watching the teams I grew up with to take any joy in watching a team just develop and improve with the knowledge they will never be allowed to close the deal anymore. How many times could you date Pia Zadora and kiss her on the front porch without soon realizing--"Well, this ain't working out."

Stan M

LB, you obviously don't understand the new statistics. In fact, starting in 2015, the team with the highest RARs wins the pennant. As they explain, wins are meanngless. To see how accurate the RAR actually is, just look at the final stats in the AL for this year. Trout was way out in front of everyone, and about 30 per cent better than Miggy. Now doesn't that make perfect sense? The defensive stats are particularly rewarding. That's because there are three different methods of determining defensive ability and each often differs. Doesn't that draw your interest? I saw all on your list except Dean and Ruth. The Yankee Clipper was truly great but colorless. He would have considered any attempt at gaining attention as showboating; it just wasn't his style. To this day Jackie Robinson is my choice as the most exciting player ever. You know, Brice Harper might soon make that list!!! Feller was amazing and much underated today, but not back then. When I try to compare two players, I think about which one I'd prefer in a trade and I'd take Campy over Berra; Musial over Ted Williams; and Frank Robinson over Hank Aaron. Hope you noticed how I'm reaching out since your talk with a certain someone.

laurelbowie

I know Joltin' Joe wasn't Mr. Excitement, but I grew up in the backwoods of Oregon and never got to see him play, so I'd be thrilled just to watch him mosey around in front of the dugout, adjust his cup and spit a couple of times. Come to think of it, we were so poor, we never even had a Mr. Coffee machine.
Lou,
I'll order the book you recommended from Amazon. They don't let me hang around my local Barnes & Noble because of my lactose intolerance. Their anti-gas policy really stinks.

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