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Marlins not shopping Stanton, and my HOF ballot

      Sorry about the absence, but used some vacation time, covered the Sugar Bowl, and watched with detached amusement as the Giancarlo Stanton trade rumors swirled about. The Marlins are not shopping Stanton. They are not dangling him like the carrot at the end of a stick. They are not floating his name to other teams.

       Simply put, the Marlins "are not moving him," according to a source I spoke with. They haven't even "discussed" it internally. The team's plans calling for Stanton to start the season with the club and occupy the clean-up spot have "not changed at all," according to another source with knowledge of the Marlins' intentions.

      And yet the speculation continues. The latest report indicates the Marlins have spoken to the Padres about Stanton. "Completely off base" and "totally ridiculous" was the response I received when I asked about it.

      Teams contact the Marlins about Stanton all the time. The Marlins, out of professional courtesy, don't hang up on them. They "listen," as they do with all inquiries involving any of their players. But listening is not the same as "contemplating," and the Marlins -- at least for now -- are not entertaining any thoughts of trading their slugger.

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       The Marlins are sifting through the batch of unsigned free agent relievers as they focus on a bullpen that was looking rock solid this time a year ago but is now filled with holes. After signing Placido Polanco for $2.75 million, they still have a bit of leftover money from the Yunel Escobar trade with which to obtain an inexpensive relief arm or two. (Remember, after trading Escobar and his $5 million salary to the Rays last month, the Marlins vowed to re-invest that net savings in payroll.)

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       Based on the early returns, the Hall of Fame announcement on Wednesday could be extremely brief. Not a single candidate is trending above the 75 percent threshold needed to gain entrance to Cooperstown, according to "Hall of Fame Collecting Gizmo."

       Some voters (myself included) are citing the Hall's formal character and integrity clause in refusing to vote for the two stick-outs on the ballot, Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens, based on tangible evidence linking them to PEDs. And the players that remain are all subject to debate.

        I ended up voting for five players: Jeff Bagwell, Mike Piazza, Tim Raines, Curt Schilling and Larry Walker.

        With the lone exception of Schilling, the other four players on my ballot rank among the Top 10 players of all-time at their defensive positions based on the JAWS scoring system, a useful advanced metrics tool that allows one to compare players from different eras. JAWS isn't perfect. It doesn't factor in fielding, for example, postseason performance, milestones or awards -- all stuff I also considered.

         But it does account "for the wide variations in offensive levels that have occurred throughout the game's history."

         At any rate, have at it. Debate away...

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juanv

and besides if an asteroid was going to end the world you would spend the last to minutes trying to complain about how slow it's moving or how small it is and how you hope it hits marlins stadium and blah blah boo hoo mua all the way to the end. I would rather enjoy even if it is the last two minutes. sometimes enjoying the small things you can't change is better than just crapping on them.

Stan M

Flav C
I understand your point about LoMo's knee. You or someone else posted the same info some time ago. The reason I posted that scouting report was to show those who constantly criticize him, that the kid had been an excellent prospect. My chronology might be a little off, but this kid at about 22YO, lost his dad and incurred a serious injury. Before I would chastise him for faulty judgement, I would blame the Marlin management for not offering more concrete guidence to such a valuable asset as he. Not only do I think he received poor guidance, but to play him while obviously hurt in an unfamiliar position was also faulty judgement by those in charge. Anyone who saw that kid in LF couldn't help but realize that a disaster was in the making. If he didn't dislocate a shoulder diving for a ball, he was sure to run into a wall chasing another. He played hard and he played hurt and in my opinion, the criticism is misdirected. You are probably right about his injury. Is your position based on medical reports or the history of other such injuries? As I explained to LB a couple of years ago, my dad was an orthopedic surgeon and his last operation before he died 2 weeks later was being in charge of the bone work when Roy Campanella was in his tragic accident. I learned then from first hand information to never believe any medical reports from a ML team or even from their doctors.

Flav C.

Stan,

I don't know what the medical reports from a ML team of their doctors are. My position is based on relatives (back in the country where I was born) who are sports surgeon. They performed countless knee surgeries (including patellar tendon tear and ruptures) in voleyball and soccer players.

Before blaming the FO for everything, these are the facts on LoMo:

LoMo was slated to be the 1B of this team when he was playing AA ball, and by the end of the 2009 season he had a hand injury. The Marlins then called up Gaby, who was playing AAA ball, splitting between 3B and 1B.

As you know, Gaby made the best of this opportunity, and had a great 2010 season, so there was no spot available for LoMo, even though the Marlins still wanted his at bat in the lineup.

Still in 2010, he started the season playing AAA. In July, he was lucky enough that Coghlan had the now infamous pie-injury and LoMo was called up to replace him in the OF.

Looking at the facts, what was the team supposed to do? Give him the 1B just because? There was no spot in the infield, only OF. Gaby was doing really well. Besides, several players had successfully done this transition from infield to outfield before (Conine being one of them).

As far as rushing his healing from the 1st surgery, that's on him. That's not on the team. He acknowledged that a few times. He said he tried to speed up the strengthening of his knee, by working out harder and that just worsened things. We've seen time and time again players hiding their injuries from their teams.

I just blame the FO for insisting in keeping him with the team. They should have traded him when he was still holding some value. Maybe he would have had an opportunity to play 1B somewhere else.


Lou

Stan or anyone, could you please inform Juan en pocas palabras that No Hay nada en mi escribiendo that could be visto como malo. A este vez, No tengo alguna decir.
Por Favor.

Stan M

When you say that this opinion comes from sports surgeons, that doesn't sound promising. Your point about having to try him in LF is understood. The problem, as I see it, was leaving him out there after seeing the danger in doing so. To say that Gabby was great is somewhat of an overstatement. His numbers were somewhere about average for a ML first baseman. Perhaps he should have been the one traded rather than LoMo who had far more potential at that time. That's hard for me to say because Gabby was my favorite Marlin for a time back then. As you say, many players successfully switched from infield to OF. Others didn't and it was pretty obvious that LoMo was going to get really hurt out there. Despite what you say, and your arguments definitely have merit, I still think that had LoMo been in a different organization, things would have turned out differently. I guess my only hope, after reading your analysis of his ijury, is that baseball is not as demanding as soccer.

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